(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[3x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Championship 2015 - Final, Ali Jabarin (w) vs. Fan Hui (b)]PW[Ali Jabarin]PB[Fan Hui]WR[1p]BR[2p]DT[2015-08-02]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[TurtleDove [5k\]: the video is on . I see both players are there on time !
EGC2015a [-\]: yes
Jermelle [-\]: Place your bets =)
gogonuts [4d\]: this has been a close fought tournament at a high level
TurtleDove [5k\]: Favourite must be Fan Hui, the current champ but I kinda hope Ali might do it
matiej [10k\]: ali jabarin is this chilled guy in leather jacket? 
TurtleDove [5k\]: yeah
NightShift [6d\]: I bet for Ali!
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[pd]C[matiej [10k\]: he just lost 20 swag points by taking jacket of :(
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;W[dd]
;B[pp]
;W[dq]
;B[co]C[ofbusy [-\]: thats more funny to bet at move 30 imo
ofbusy [-\]: so i wait !
matiej [10k\]: how much time do they have? 150min each or its just random number displayed here?
TurtleDove [5k\]: 150 each is correct
Jhyn [1k\]: 150 each plus some byo-yomi
gogonuts [4d\]: one hardly sees this opening - so no replaying of some recent game - good
matiej [10k\]: you mean blacks c5 as unusual?
matiej [10k\]: or whiles d3?
NightShift [6d\]: Gu Li played this a few times last year
gogonuts [4d\]: ni-ren-sei already somewhat unusual, and c5 more unusual
whitespark [2k\]: C5, the norm now is high approach
yozh: give a stream link pls?
IAmRa [6k\]: both are very common. dont know about pro players but i study this position in books
whitespark [2k\]: Focus on influence
gogonuts [4d\]: oh no, they will know the games :-)
Jhyn [1k\]: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-7c9vBfORL8izj1Rn_yOTQ
fujiyama [8k\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQIEn3oudsA
matiej [10k\]: well d5 seems like textbook with nirensei
fujiyama [8k\]: yes white j4 or h4
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;W[ck]C[CYLON [3k\]: http://egc2015.cz/stream
gogonuts [4d\]: i somehow was expecting c10
NightShift [6d\]: this hasn't appeared since 2012, out of the book soon ^_^
fujiyama [8k\]: now black G3-G4?
NightShift [6d\]: c10 happened in one of the Gu Li games :)
gogonuts [4d\]: but w went with the tried and true answer
Jhyn [1k\]: their clock looks fancy... not the usual kind
gogonuts [4d\]: lol. nioghtshift
suibaku [1d\]: fancy clocks are the new status symbol for go players
TurtleDove [5k\]: can anyone buyone of those clocks ?
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;B[fp]C[NightShift [6d\]: hoho
fujiyama [8k\]: no don'k know these clocks
matiej [10k\]: its not a clock, its a bomb
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;W[ep]
;B[eo]C[Jhyn [1k\]: last year fan tricked dinerstein after some taisha variation
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;W[fq]
;B[gp]
;W[gq]
;B[hp]C[EGC2015a [-\]: clocks are gift from china to czechia
NightShift [6d\]: and out of the book....
TurtleDove [5k\]: hmm, nice
gogonuts [4d\]: with 44 left the book?
gogonuts [4d\]: e4
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;B[ip]
;W[jq]C[sameasyou [2d\]: tricked is not a good choice of words
NightShift [6d\]: yep, f4 was only 1 game from a long time ago
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;B[ci]C[kmr [1d\]: Hey Hideki!Nice to see you, Zen is analyzing this game?
fujiyama [8k\]: F4 movre black more severe move
Jhyn [1k\]: I'd like one of these clocks, does anyone have China's phone number?
gogonuts [4d\]: this does have a pretty classic feel
fujiyama [8k\]: they play very quickly 
gogonuts [4d\]: modern classic, 70s - 80s :-)
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;W[do]
;B[dn]
;W[dp]C[jytsao [?\]: fine dal, you win
fujiyama [8k\]: old fashoned joseki
suibaku [1d\]: we kinda lack exposure to asian pros
Jhyn [1k\]: Fan had quite a few defeats in the national team championships this year, I expected him to lose before the finals
NightShift [6d\]: if ignoring the star points on the right, this left side shape was popular in 2012/13
fujiyama [8k\]: E7 black cover ?
gogonuts [4d\]: really has to e6, right?
NightShift [6d\]: dozens of games, only 10 with d5 though, but all 2012
gogonuts [4d\]: c6 looks outrageous
PlaySlow [11k\]: Double tiger mouth would be bad imo. He has to e6
fujiyama [8k\]: e6 is the form
NightShift [6d\]: e6 - 8 times, e7 - 2 times
gogonuts [4d\]: ah, e7 is his alternative, ok
hosomaki [7k\]: how do you search for old games with same opening?
gogonuts [4d\]: that one is interesting ...
matiej [10k\]: fuseki liblaries
PlaySlow [11k\]: @hosomaki search for "ps.waltheri" from google
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;B[cm]C[matiej [10k\]: ok
gogonuts [4d\]: come on
matiej [10k\]: fun
NightShift [6d\]: now fully amateur :)
gogonuts [4d\]: that cant be
ofbusy [-\]: this is greedy to me
NightShift [6d\]: except b is a pro :P
ofbusy [-\]: GREED !
NightShift [6d\]: so its new pro style ^_^
fujiyama [8k\]: now  fan forms can be attacked
gogonuts [4d\]: lol
suibaku [1d\]: I still don't feel the legitimacy of european/american pros
hosomaki [7k\]: thank you PlaySlow
NightShift [6d\]: this left side shape usually happens with q4 at r4, I wonder which would be better for black
fujiyama [8k\]: new pro's
matiej [10k\]: european pros graduate in korea right?
matiej [10k\]: or not anymore
NightShift [6d\]: in europe
matiej [10k\]: oh
NightShift [6d\]: but fan is chinese pro
Siskas: nothing to discuss, FAN HUI lost already 3games in this tournament, ali baba TAKES THE TITLE
whitespark [2k\]: Europe but after training in china
fujiyama [8k\]: these new european pro's must prove their rank in compete with chinese, korean japaneese pros
gogonuts [4d\]: I feel I couldn't beat any of them anymore, not on a good day (and not on a bad day either)
NightShift [6d\]: neither surma nor ilja have trained in china though
gogonuts [4d\]: theyre coming out on the other side of the ama-pro chasm
NightShift [6d\]: i think the new 1ps can compete with new japanese pros
NightShift [6d\]: still a way off new chinese pros
RealHikaru [1k\]: didnt pavol and ali already beat japanses pros?
bitzi [-\]: still a very long way to new chinese 1p though
Muttley [3k\]: Ali and Pavel already got good results in a Chinese tournament
matiej [10k\]: so if this move feels so strange to you guys, how to punish? cut at e6? and extend to e7?
gogonuts [4d\]: muttley is right
NightShift [6d\]: they only beat female 1ps though
Muttley [3k\]: oh, that makes a difference?
Muttley [3k\]: :))
suibaku [1d\]: some might argue that it does -.-
gogonuts [4d\]: e6 f5 e7, but is it a trap? :-)
PlaySlow [11k\]: Yeah, how do we punish this shape as white
bitzi [-\]: some say female pros are some stones weaker
NightShift [6d\]: in the school they attended, they hovered around the 4th/5th groups (6 per group) and 7 people from that school became pro this year
Jhyn [1k\]: I feel that current european pros + Artem and Thomas are a step above other top european amateurs
kmr [1d\]: sorry but except Rui in her prime female pros were always more than bit weaker than male top pros
gogonuts [4d\]: sentences with "some say" are always suspect
matiej [10k\]: can black  d9 after the sequence?
ofbusy [-\]: did ali and pavol used their good looks to beat these lady pros
Muttley [3k\]: I think e6 is premature, let b waste a move repairing the cut
fujiyama [8k\]: the only move for white is d10 now
NightShift [6d\]: the pro test for male/female is split, so it does make a difference
PlaySlow [11k\]: Maybe white leaves position as it is for now
fujiyama [8k\]: d8
Muttley [3k\]: mmm, ok
NightShift [6d\]: although i have no idea why....
EGC2015a [-\]: ALi is not at the table
Blitzcore [3k\]: just d13 for w?
fujiyama [8k\]: d10 d11 b e8 w
gogonuts [4d\]: still, euro pros clearly havent made fun of themselves
TurtleDove [5k\]: well Europe had pros for maybe 2 years, China somewhat longer. can't see any point trying to compare
suibaku [1d\]: you should definitely compare them
bitzi [-\]: last egc ilya lost a 3hc game against a pro
NightShift [6d\]: if ignoring all corners except lower left, c7 has been played once!
gogonuts [4d\]: pro program went well sofar
NightShift [6d\]: by choi cheolhan in 2004 vs gu li
ofbusy [-\]: does b plans on e6 ->e7
suibaku [1d\]: I think the healthiest thing that could happen for european pros would be to start playing asian pros on a very regular basis
NightShift [6d\]: in that game it went e6 f5 e7 d8 g7 d9 
Muttley [3k\]: no way, b would connect surely
NightShift [6d\]: @suibaku Yes!
gogonuts [4d\]: well if choi played it once, even when drunk, it's good enough for me :-)
fujiyama [8k\]: e6 bad move
PlaySlow [11k\]: Thanks for info @nightshift
matiej [10k\]: they should have some EU vs USA tornament, it's always fun rivaly.
fujiyama [8k\]: e10 i think proper move?
matiej [10k\]: e10 seems flying away from everything
suibaku [1d\]: US tournaments are really hard to pull off as it is :\\
Lice [4d\]: goooooo aliiiiiii
matiej [10k\]: go is clearly not the best spectator sport tho. ;P
Lice [4d\]: yes it is
suibaku [1d\]: why not?
TurtleDove [5k\]: is B just tempting W into starting an unwise group ?
wade [5d\]: matiej we cant coz the french will resign before it begins :P
Lice [4d\]: clearly not the best sport to play though :P
suibaku [1d\]: clearly not a sport -.-
whitespark [2k\]: Ilya seems fit
YZ1509 [4d\]: go spectators need a lot of shade and good tea
TurtleDove [5k\]: lol
Muttley [3k\]: Incidentally, whilst this game is slow, the last game of the Zen19S - Taiwan Ama 6d has started
EGC2015a [-\]: ali is back
Avareras [1k\]: o17 
wade [5d\]: it is a mind sport... and the brain burns much more calories than muscle :D
suibaku [1d\]: taiwan ama 6d?
suibaku [1d\]: so it was actually a person?
matiej [10k\]: with this "gooooo aliiiiii" i imagined people who dont know what go is about watching it, and it made me smile. by spectaror sport i mean the one nice to watch for clueless people(like ddkuys :P, look me))
suibaku [1d\]: the brain operates between 15-80 htz
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;W[cg]C[Philogo [3k\]: R10
Lice [4d\]: ali once explained to me to me that if black plays e6 instead of this and white plays c6, the corner is too big
Muttley [3k\]: err, no
matiej [10k\]: this game is gonna get messy
Muttley [3k\]: the brain operates down to around 3 kHz
Muttley [3k\]: 3Hz
Muttley [3k\]: but not really relevant here
fujiyama [8k\]: 3khz in quantic form :)
Muttley [3k\]: actually, it operates at a higher rate than that :)
Muttley [3k\]: up to around 20 kHz
ofbusy [-\]: really lice ... so nothing new here ?
Muttley [3k\]: I wondered about this, but e11 seems simple
Jhyn [1k\]: stop saying complicated stuff, my brain-hertz
matiej [10k\]: how bout b9?
YZ1509 [4d\]: e11 won't do i think
fujiyama [8k\]: good pincer
Muttley [3k\]: Neuroscience is the place to be
YZ1509 [4d\]: white could d8 and b11 next in reply to e11
mate105 [1d\]: Ali is black?
ofbusy [-\]: d11 is a concrete response
TurtleDove [5k\]: W
PlaySlow [11k\]: Ali is White
Muttley [3k\]: I don't mind if w connects
Muttley [3k\]: I want influence
kostuek [?\]: bwill need some cash soon
ofbusy [-\]: k4 l3 l4 etc muttley 
YZ1509 [4d\]: k16 region seems more important
gogonuts [4d\]: i would come back to e6
mate105 [1d\]: Thanks
Muttley [3k\]: hmmm :)
matiej [10k\]: isnt e6 slow tho?
Muttley [3k\]: I still like e11
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;W[en]C[Muttley [3k\]: cash man
TurtleDove [5k\]: I want k4 as W but don't know how urgent it is
fujiyama [8k\]: haha atari !
Siljan [?\]: Ali and Pavol played also in the chinese C-Team-league and won some games against Pros in this yearst r. Pr
Muttley [3k\]: considering b k4 w L3 isn't really an exchange you want to make, not very
manofearth [?\]: thining??
Laman [2k?\]: atari before you forget
Siljan [?\]: Kansai Kiin managers (and Pros) said they both sure would be at least 1da, Pro in Japan if they would play there regularly thereand
manofearth [?\]: mae sure ur opponent needn't worry about sll possible atataris
Siljan [?\]: ... and Ali and Mateusz will go in September again to Beijing for 5 months...
Muttley [3k\]: nice, thanks for the info
Siljan [?\]: So - wait and see...
fujiyama [8k\]: don' wait don't see !  black g5
fujiyama [8k\]: f5
NightShift [6d\]: who else is going to beijing?
manofearth [?\]: didn't realize wo b was. how is he only 2p?
Jhyn [1k\]: I'll go if they pay me the trip
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;B[fo]C[Siljan [?\]: To Beijing: Johannes Obenaus, 6d (Germany), the 5 dan player from Russia form board 4 pf the PGETC, I think his name is Gregorin...l
Muttley [3k\]: Fionin?
Fsoi [3k?\]: hey, before w d5, shouldn't b should have played d4 ?
NightShift [6d\]: cool, strong guys again
Siljan [?\]: and one youngster from Ukraine
Muttley [3k\]: Ah, Andri Kravits?
Siljan [?\]: No, Andrii will not go to Beijing, but he wants to play a lot of tournaments here in Europe
Siljan [?\]: Fionin - YES, thanks
Muttley [3k\]: yw
NightShift [6d\]: ukraine has a lot of strong kids if it's not artem or andrii
NightShift [6d\]: i didnt realize they had others
Muttley [3k\]: yeah, there are 4-5d juniors
Muttley [3k\]: in strength
NightShift [6d\]: nice
gogonuts [4d\]: split r10?
Siljan [?\]: Younger, about 14 years old. I have to check my makils. Just arrives back from Liberec in Sweden
Muttley [3k\]: its a beautiful venue
Muttley [3k\]: congrats to the organisers
fujiyama [8k\]: R10 will be a san ren sei move gogonuts
NightShift [6d\]: 14 awesome, half of the kids at the school in bj will be older than him!
kostuek [?\]: i like q10 somehow
wade [5d\]: ilya not going beijing?
Siljan [?\]: Player from UKtraine to Beijing: Valerii Kryshelnitskiy 
Siljan [?\]: No, ILya will not go to Beijing
fujiyama [8k\]: q10 yes san ren sei R10 other strategy
NightShift [6d\]: Krushelnytskyi Valerii                Rivn    3d    2344    +13    59 
Muttley [3k\]: I think I saw VK in the European juniors this year, a 5d
Muttley [3k\]: oh, 3d, different one
NightShift [6d\]: 59 tournaments at 14! that's good addiction
kostuek [?\]: after r10 it looks a bit scary with lets say b p10 in place
Siljan [?\]: Sorry, I forgot one very promising guy going to Beijing: Tanguy Le Calvé (France)
NightShift [6d\]: wow really strong lineup
fujiyama [8k\]: yes kostuek, i think white will try a global fuseki move
KurataSan [3d\]: go ali :p
YZ1509 [4d\]: d12
KurataSan [3d\]: d9 not an option?
fujiyama [8k\]: the fuseki here is san ren sei  Q10 or another approach o17
tuquedenne [4d\]: he's probably reading it
tuquedenne [4d\]: d9-e7?
YZ1509 [4d\]: i read d9 to be a lost semai
tuquedenne [4d\]: with b e9?
wade [5d\]: d9 e7 and w gets a weak group next to a really strong one
fujiyama [8k\]: a pro alwas play a global move in this situation
KurataSan [3d\]: i'm not sure - this doesn't look too good for w
tuquedenne [4d\]: I don't know if the semeai is lost but the shape would be silly
KurataSan [3d\]: he'll be struggling to live
wade [5d\]: e7 is possible
Lice [4d\]: d9 e7 e10 e11 f11 seems nice for w to me
ofbusy [-\]: fuji you re getting overconfident now :)
TurtleDove [5k\]: what does W gain by playing again in that area ?
fujiyama [8k\]: no ofbusy logical :)
KurataSan [3d\]: i don't think he can just leave it to b
KurataSan [3d\]: it's too big
tuquedenne [4d\]: yeah, would be painful
Muttley [3k\]: TurtleDove, modern go is not what you gain, but whether it works
Muttley [3k\]: simplistically put, its not general but concrete considerations
YZ1509 [4d\]: white rather sacrifice taking d12 and b6 in sente
kostuek [?\]: reduce later with f10 or something, seems ok
gogonuts [4d\]: modern go is not what you gain, but what you lose
Lice [4d\]: d12 is very small, doesn't worth the ajikeshi
tuquedenne [4d\]: :)
Muttley [3k\]: hehe :)
fujiyama [8k\]: so white play O17 ,
TurtleDove [5k\]: well W could f10, let b live small for example
gogonuts [4d\]: d9 seems overplay, and e7 sells c9 for good, that's why i think tenuki
Muttley [3k\]: not entirely Fan's style, letting someone live small if he can kill
TurtleDove [5k\]: W is Ali
KurataSan [3d\]: not entirely anybody's style - letting someone live :p
Muttley [3k\]: hehe, not on KGS, no
Muttley [3k\]: "You're group has two eyes."
fujiyama [8k\]: I tnink ali will let these white stones in aji
Muttley [3k\]: "I wonder if I can kill it."
Muttley [3k\]: "Your"< sorry :)
KurataSan [3d\]: it's ok buddy, we're all wrong sometimes
TurtleDove [5k\]: B d9 would be gote, W has another play
kostuek [?\]: hm, maybe k4?
wither [4k\]: "you're group?"
YZ1509 [4d\]: d12 f10 is the most logical sequence
Lice [4d\]: do you believe d12 is anywhere close to the effectiveness of f10?
NightShift [6d\]: is there a cash prize for becoming euro champ?
Lice [4d\]: d9 looks legit to me
mk [2k\]: f8
Jahfab [2d\]: I think there is a prize
Jahfab [2d\]: like 1 000 or 1 500 €
tuquedenne [4d\]: yes but it's very difficult to know exactly what's the prize :p^
fujiyama [8k\]: i don't see any prize in the internet site
fujiyama [8k\]: prize  € 100 000 will be fine :)
YZ1509 [4d\]: ok white plays r10 ( always good, if you don't know what to do)
TurtleDove [5k\]: W picksup a stone like he has nearly decided
EGC2015a [-\]: prizes are not know 
EGC2015a [-\]: even i dont know how much prizes they got
tuquedenne [4d\]: one year I was a referee of some EGC and I didn't know either :)
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;W[em]C[tuquedenne [4d\]: it's a very secret information :p
NightShift [6d\]: do the recipients know? :P
YZ1509 [4d\]: just handedout the enveloppes
TurtleDove [5k\]: I expect the sponsors know
mnmn: huh??
Siskas: 2500€
mnmn: the players must know. many of them only go to egc for the money
Muttley [3k\]: ok, we have a fight :)
Muttley [3k\]: go Ali
kostuek [?\]: promising move
Fsoi [3k?\]: time left for the players ?
mnmn: d9 c8 d8 d7 c6 b7 b6 b8 b3 ... ?
fujiyama [8k\]: fan must play d8 now
EGC2015a [-\]: dont see the clock, but i think al used somethink like 45 minutes and Fan 15 minutes
Ootakamoku [-\]: now w has miai to try to kill j4 and c7
Fsoi [3k?\]: thanks
wade [5d\]: e7 my move :)
ofbusy [-\]: white could let this as aji after b s answer, too
Laman [2k?\]: i think the clock says 2:12, 1:48 left
ofbusy [-\]: my first instinck b9
tesoro [1k?\]: d9 ?
YZ1509 [4d\]: aha eveb after b d8 stone c9 isn't dead yet
tr3bl [3k\]: does playing d9 have any drawbacks?
gogonuts [4d\]: b9, omg :-)
manofearth [?\]: there r often lots of groups 2TRY 2kill
fujiyama [8k\]: wade was good with E7 then ali intention is to go to the center
mnmn: any opinions on d9 c8 d8 d7 c6 b7 b6 b8 b3 ... ? looks like a one way street up to that point
ofbusy [-\]: this makes k4 bigger..
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;B[bq]C[ofbusy [-\]: nice greedy move :p
KurataSan [3d\]: greedy? i think it's the opposite
mnmn: well, it makes D9 work
wade [5d\]: w trade shape for pts? d7 c6 c8 c2 e9 ?
ofbusy [-\]: "i never wanted to give you that corner ! never !"
kostuek [?\]: play d9 so i can chase you arounf - move
mnmn: if w connects c9 out now, his shape will be poor and a bit heavy
fujiyama [8k\]: oh fan saw D8 was impossible
Minjhou [5k?\]:  
PlaySlow [11k\]:    
Merwynn [4d\]: not necessarily impossible
mnmn: wade: why c2 directly?
wade [5d\]: becuase its huge
KurataSan [3d\]: so b can live safely :)
mnmn: not first harass around d8 ?
cartoon [6k\]: is there a webcam?
Siljan [?\]: So Ali Jabarin and Fan Hui are qualified for the IMSA "top-event" in China in January 2016 - similar to SportAccord events from 2011 to 2014 in Beijing
gogonuts [4d\]: g7
wade [5d\]: how many goes from europe?
Siljan [?\]: Winner of the game Ilya Shikshin vs. Thomas Debaree will be tghe third European representative in January
KurataSan [3d\]: go* :p
TurtleDove [5k\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQIEn3oudsA
KurataSan [3d\]: btw, who won egc last year?
Uberdude [4d?\]: fan
Uberdude [4d?\]: and yeara before
KurataSan [3d\]: time for his reign to end? 
Uberdude [4d?\]: i wouldn't bet on it
NightShift [6d\]: is the Jan-16 IMSA thing in Beijing again?
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;W[dk]C[cartoon [6k\]: thx (not available in Germany)
Uberdude [4d?\]: can black hane?
Siljan [?\]: At least 6 players, 3 men/3 women will go to ??? in JanuaryBut maybe we'll get more seats because the plan for this event are 40 players from  Go, while we had only 30 in the SportAccord event. So maybe a 4gth men and/or woman can go to China in January
kostuek [?\]: white takes the challenge
fujiyama [8k\]: hane good move but d7 w is critical after
mafutrct [-\]: i've cloned the game in KTL and i think i see why b D9 was impossible
gogonuts [4d\]: i have no idea why the livestream is blocked for germany
gogonuts [4d\]: is that a gema thing too?
Muttley [3k\]: its a pain, isn't it
Siljan [?\]: City in China is not decided, but for sure NOT Beijing. By the way, this event shall happen more often than only once in Jan 2016han
kostuek [?\]: gemo don't like live streams
kostuek [?\]: gema
gogonuts [4d\]: anyways, it works with hola proxy
Muttley [3k\]: Germany blocks a lot of youtube videos
wither [4k\]: why would germany do that
Muttley [3k\]: oh, sorry
Fabbo [6k?\]: and all streams =(
Muttley [3k\]: particular site
wither [4k\]: what is germany thinking!
cartoon [6k\]: licence problems
wither [4k\]: the internet is for everyone!
Blitzcore [3k\]: germany blocks nothing, but the "gema" owns a lot of music-rights
NightShift [6d\]: i hope they didn't block butter dance
wither [4k\]: or "baby elephant chases birds"
gogonuts [4d\]: so why are livestreams blocked?
PlaySlow [11k\]: What is gema? Germany Music Association?
cartoon [6k\]: it's economy. gema
ofbusy [-\]: the birds started it !
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;B[dr]C[TurtleDove [5k\]: ?
kostuek [?\]: because they may stream copyrighted music
wither [4k\]: its what the european union prays to for salvation
gogonuts [4d\]: Gesellschaft für musikalische Aufführungs- und mechanische Vervielfältigungsrechte
doomV20 [5d\]: every youtube video streams copyrighted music
gogonuts [4d\]: looked that up :-)
PlaySlow [11k\]: Hehe ok:)
eweee: why d2 not c2
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;W[ej]C[Blitzcore [3k\]: gema= "Gesellschaft für musikalische Aufführungs- und mechanische Vervielfältigungsrechte"
Blitzcore [3k\]: ... quite similar to mafia :)
ofbusy [-\]: ok now i think i ll bet on w
fujiyama [8k\]: E10 move very riky for white
wither [4k\]: why do their words have to be so long
]
;B[er]
;W[eq]
;B[cq]C[PlaySlow [11k\]: So black sacrificed his 2 stones there? It is amazing that how game turned out different after 10 moves..
Blitzcore [3k\]: they had letters left ove
cartoon [6k\]: no. it is not mafia. you don't have to fear for death.
Lice [4d\]: this sente seems too painful
Siskas: good for white
cartoon [6k\]: it tries to protect the rights of artists
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;W[kr]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: the rights of some artists you mean
rija [1d\]: dont like w result
Blitzcore [3k\]: ... only a few artists get some - about 85% are f..ed by gema
fujiyama [8k\]: L2 prevent j3 cutting move
ofbusy [-\]: it does
tuquedenne [4d\]: I like it for w
tuquedenne [4d\]: b has 2 problems
apina [1d\]: but sente
Lice [4d\]: i wonder why w didn't answer d2
invoker [5d\]: woaw
tuquedenne [4d\]: but sente and a tenish point corner, right
invoker [5d\]: israel v france final
invoker [5d\]: never thought it would be it 
Lice [4d\]: ye france too weak
Invite28: Black 2 weak groups
invoker [5d\]: lol
invoker [5d\]: fan hui was expected to be in final
invoker [5d\]: i didn't expect ali 
invoker [5d\]: it's cool 
wade [5d\]: b got a 15 pts corner and 2 groups cut
tuquedenne [4d\]: it's not a very good year for Russia
Lice [4d\]: ali won the last major in which fan hui attended...
rija [1d\]: invoker, ali is pro after all
ofbusy [-\]: l4 
invoker [5d\]: european pro
invoker [5d\]: not chinese pro like fan
invoker [5d\]: it's not the same level 
Laman [2k?\]: France succeeded big time this year, two players in the semifinals
Fabbo [6k?\]: but ali won a tournament in China, not?
invoker [5d\]: who was it ? 
invoker [5d\]: debarre ? 
tuquedenne [4d\]: yep
invoker [5d\]: i really didn't follow the tournament 
fujiyama [8k\]: debarre can get the 3rd place
ofbusy [-\]: debarre playin ilya now
rija [1d\]: fan is not longer at chinese pro level i think, he lost level in europe
invoker [5d\]: didn't france also win the pandat team championship ? 
invoker [5d\]: pandanet
rija [1d\]: yep
fujiyama [8k\]: yes 
invoker [5d\]: yay vive la france
Fsoi [3k?\]: they won or finished second ?
tuquedenne [4d\]: won
invoker [5d\]: won 
cartoon [6k\]: vive la everyone
]
;B[ko]C[tesoro [1k?\]: everyone won nothing
]
;W[nq]C[eweee: how old is Ali?
invoker [5d\]: wait
invoker [5d\]: but on the internet website
invoker [5d\]: it says fan is 8th
YZ1509 [4d\]: i saw him against Joe frasier
invoker [5d\]: i don't get it 
tuquedenne [4d\]: because of the confusion main tournament/ european championship
]
;B[lq]C[cartoon [6k\]: wasn't it: go is not a game with the intent to win?
Fabbo [6k?\]: I won tzhe
Fabbo [6k?\]: I won the internet once.. It was horrible
tuquedenne [4d\]: this first week was devoted to the E.C. for the 24 top european players (except the ones who lost 2 games who came back to the main)
MariusJ [1k\]: one of two black's problems is going to be solved
doomV20 [5d\]: fabbo which tournament
invoker [5d\]: oh ok 
NightShift [6d\]: why did they choose 24? it didn't divide very well after 4 rounds
gogonuts [4d\]: o3 went badly
Fabbo [6k?\]: Not in go. just win the internet.. Not so difficult =)
TurtleDove [5k\]: 23 was rejected as prime number
tuquedenne [4d\]: :)
gofrit [1k\]: ok noir cherche le prélèvement automatique dès le début ^^
tuquedenne [4d\]: I don't know, NS
lcLone: what is this program?
Ootakamoku [-\]: nightshift, 24 makes sense with double elimination
micha123: L4
YZ1509 [4d\]: one things is obvious, always bring your hockey tock when playing Fan,he aims at your vital parts
kostuek [?\]: well, pay for e7
gogonuts [4d\]: is w spending his energy on the next move, or on regretting o3?
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;W[kp]C[NightShift [6d\]: yeah with double elim it almost works perfectly
tuquedenne [4d\]: wow
micha123: :)
suibaku [1d\]: stuff is happening
tuquedenne [4d\]: my main complaint about this system was that the 2nd criterium for the standing was the european rank
Lice [4d\]: i hope that would teach you a lesson gogonut
NightShift [6d\]: still one player might get through on SOS luck though
NightShift [6d\]: oh, rank luck then
tuquedenne [4d\]: yeah but imo it was a deliberate choice
lcLone: shouldn't Ali be a male's name?
NightShift [6d\]: you mean biased choice?
tuquedenne [4d\]: for instance artem had a very difficult tournament
rsg [5k\]: He is male
tuquedenne [4d\]: well, yes, to protect strong players
NightShift [6d\]: ah okay
mafutrct [-\]: m4 m5 m2 ?
kostuek [?\]: j3?
mafutrct [-\]: then if w K5, black cuts and later gains libs by M1
NightShift [6d\]: well in a way it's fair, SOS is pretty random too
gogonuts [4d\]: artem played some great winning games, but the round he played at 3:0, that he didnt need to win, got him out of step
rija [1d\]: Wesh Thenv et thanakun =D
PlaySlow [11k\]: Has Ali lost a game in this tournament?
TurtleDove [5k\]: yes, first game
Siskas: against dusan mitic
rsg [5k\]: Go Ali!
rsg [5k\]: My fellow countryman ^^
ofbusy [-\]: m4 k5 
gogonuts [4d\]: does b have a choice?
tesoro [1k?\]: m4 or m5 ?
invoker [5d\]: this move by w is so good 
Ootakamoku [-\]: not fighting here would make m3 look bad
gogonuts [4d\]: m5 just not good enough for b
ofbusy [-\]: k4 l3 m5 maybe
invoker [5d\]: of course b won't play m5
tesoro [1k?\]: perhaps m3 was not so good
invoker [5d\]: it would be a 10k move 
lcLone: this idea on european go is funnier
invoker [5d\]: you don't play m3 then back up at m5 
ofbusy [-\]: well if you misread you have to adapt..
invoker [5d\]: b has to play the fight 
invoker [5d\]: lol fan didn't misread
kostuek [?\]: ko it
notevenbad [-\]: so
invoker [5d\]: don't tell me fan isn't able to read 2 moves
notevenbad [-\]: suppossedly the fuseki was for w to get the corner and b to get influence
rija [1d\]: of course not
Song17 [4d?\]: it's not misreading
KurataSan [3d\]: what does w answer for k4?
Song17 [4d?\]: it's not reading a certain reply
ofbusy [-\]: fan makes mistakes sometimes
notevenbad [-\]: now w doesn't have the corner and b's influence is zilt
invoker [5d\]: not reading a reply
notevenbad [-\]: hm
invoker [5d\]: is misreading
Ootakamoku [-\]: j3 j2 m4 m5 k5 l3 o4?
KurataSan [3d\]: k4 for b seems good
invoker [5d\]: go 101
Song17 [4d?\]: so yes - he might have misread
Ootakamoku [-\]: still the cut looks very annoying
Siljan [?\]: Remember Pro-Quali of Ali in 2014. He lost the first game (I think against Fredrik Blomback), and then won all other 5 games in a rowr
invoker [5d\]: i have faith in fan 
KurataSan [3d\]: k4 l3?
Song17 [4d?\]: rowr :)
Uberdude [4d?\]: siljan, his win against mateusz was quite lucky then
setarkos [?\]: and he won kidocup this year
Uberdude [4d?\]: but showed his good perseverance skills
Siljan [?\]: yes, I know, in Vienna...
Song17 [4d?\]: beat some Chinese pros
Ootakamoku [-\]: yes, but ofcourse he will have easier time winning games now that he is 1p
kostuek [?\]: j3 j2 m4 k5 l3 k4 k2 k1 h2 seems huge ko for us
kmr [1d\]: when difference in strenght is minimal, playing 24 closed tournament, then knockout is imho very bad idea, dont even mentioning this rank criterium
KurataSan [3d\]: k4  seems like the only move here
setarkos [?\]: kidocup 2015: 1. Jabarin 2. Shikshin 3. Fan Hui
tuquedenne [4d\]: knockout is apprecied by the players I think
invoker [5d\]: i really don't like this 24 list of players that have the right
invoker [5d\]: to compete to become european champion
Lice [4d\]: k4 is ajikeshi
invoker [5d\]: i'm 4d egf and it is so frustrating
invoker [5d\]: cause you have to be at least 5d or 6d egf 
Uberdude [4d?\]: you are too weak to be european champion
KurataSan [3d\]: if you're 4d egf you can't really be a pro
invoker [5d\]: :(
KurataSan [3d\]: dude..
Ootakamoku [-\]: I dont think any 5dans will qualify for a long time
invoker [5d\]: y u so mean
Lice [4d\]: you can critizise the whole mcmahon system like that...
Uberdude [4d?\]: honest
NightShift [6d\]: uber said it but it's true :)
NightShift [6d\]: sad but true
Uberdude [4d?\]: i'm 4d egf too =)
invoker [5d\]: it's not about not being able to be european champion
Lice [4d\]: why not give a chance to 20kyus also?
invoker [5d\]: it's about not having the opportunity to play them 
Lice [4d\]: cuz they suck that's why
YZ1509 [4d\]: agreed
invoker [5d\]: i saw that at the egc in bordeaux in 2012
setarkos [?\]: 4d is not really strong today
Uberdude [4d?\]: well in egc a few years ago i played ten (6d) when i was 2d
Uberdude [4d?\]: cos i won a load in first weak
Uberdude [4d?\]: week
Tonight [3k?\]: Lice mi ze ali?
KurataSan [3d\]: k4 l3 l7 r6? :(
rija [1d\]: win lot of game, become 5-6 dan and you will surely play them invoker =)
tuquedenne [4d\]: 2011 :)
kmr [1d\]: knockout is ok, but if so then do it 32 top and knockout from the beggining
apina [1d\]: ranking is something, you have deserved already. And it's fair to use it as tie-breaker, when choosing players to tournament
Lice [4d\]: lavan
Uberdude [4d?\]: same can happen now
Tonight [3k?\]: toda
invoker [5d\]: yeah but i don't have the opportunity ot play a lot of tournaments
tuquedenne [4d\]: But yeah the EGC is not the best tournament to play very strong players
invoker [5d\]: that's the issue 
NightShift [6d\]: 64 person double elimination over 6 rounds would work perfectly and not require SOS/rank differentiator. However, you wouldn't be able to do the knockout at the weekend then...
YZ1509 [4d\]: in 1988 it was already same old show, beated hans pietsch there
tuquedenne [4d\]: better play some important weekend tournament in Europe
lcLone: m4 is european champion material
apina [1d\]: Nightshift, they don't want to use whole two week tournament for it
mafutrct [-\]: best sequence i found so far: m4 m5 m2 n5 k4 l3 l6 k5 m1 j3 p2 
kmr [1d\]: ranking is not good, cuz you can pump you rank through weaker tournaments
NightShift [6d\]: yeah hence the however part
apina [1d\]: kmr, you can't pump your ranking to 6 dan that way
Uberdude [4d?\]: but yeah play some european weekend tournament is good chance for 4d to play 6d
NightShift [6d\]: i guess to get it done in 4 rounds then 24 is the best number
Uberdude [4d?\]: i played lluis oh and pavol lisy in brussels for example
kmr [1d\]: i cant, but if sb has 2650 he can pump it to 2700 by playing many 2450 guys
YZ1509 [4d\]: it's a protectorate of the prodegies pretending to do good
tuquedenne [4d\]: yeah in brussels you always (when you're 3-4d) play one very strong player :)
clicisclic [4k\]: go to bordeaux tournament in september, fan will participate :)
NightShift [6d\]: only 8 people will be out of weekend tournie this way so you dont miss many
Koukkaaja [-\]: If you start from 30k, how many egc you have win with 100% to get to the top 24.
Uberdude [4d?\]: i got 2 cos i beat one =)
apina [1d\]: kmr, do you know, how many wins you have to get against those?
Ootakamoku [-\]: kmr, no, with 100 difference in gors, you get almost nothing from winning a game anymore
clicisclic [4k\]: 12 and 13 september
Ootakamoku [-\]: kmr, Im guessing he would have to play several hundred if not thousands of games against 2450 guys to get to 2700
Lice [4d\]: when ever ali plays an israeli tournament - he loses rank
YZ1509 [4d\]: it's just a matter of bribing the right people
uolhdf: m4  ?
apina [1d\]: when I started playing, there was one guy much better than others in Finland. And he had to win about 15 matches against one loss to keep his gors
TurtleDove [5k\]: there is a danger about protecting a presumed elite but I don't know if it's a real problem yet
kmr [1d\]: you get + in rank for sure winning with difference over 100 , dont say things which are not true
wade [5d\]: lol lice
lcLone: yeah m4 to sacifrice f4
rija [1d\]: if a european pro lost lot pf game, can he be retrograded like amateurs who lost points ?
kmr [1d\]: Lice, maybe he lose cuz he lose some games?
wade [5d\]: 1 game
Tonight [3k?\]: No
Koukkaaja [-\]: I would prefer 0p to 1p. much more unique
Lice [4d\]: around 1 game each tourny, that's enough for him to lose rank
wade [5d\]: is like 15 pts rating
Muttley [3k\]: Just go to www.SecurePaymentGoRank.com and pick your go rank now!
Muttley [3k\]: Charges apply.
YZ1509 [4d\]: winning or losing a game is so easy in go, any move can upset a game
Muttley [3k\]: (Disclaimer.  Not secure.)
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;B[lo]C[apina [1d\]: Lice, I guess, 1 game in two or three tournaments might be enough
]
;W[mq]C[invoker [5d\]: noooooooooo
invoker [5d\]: i had faith in you fan :( 
tesoro [1k?\]: invoker [5d\]: it would be a 10k move 
kmr [1d\]: yeah if he is aboout 2700 and lose one of 5-6 against average 2450 he would lose some points
wade [5d\]: lol
TurtleDove [5k\]: lol
Lice [4d\]: haha tesoro had that ready on ctrl v
Lice [4d\]: nice one
invoker [5d\]: huuuuuuuuh
Lice [4d\]: go ali!
invoker [5d\]: it looks like he actually didn't see that move :( 
rija [1d\]: go ali !!
]
;B[lp]
;W[lr]C[Tonight [3k?\]: Go ali
wade [5d\]: e11 ?
rija [1d\]: o5 ?
Tonight [3k?\]: Khol lavan ole ole
apina [1d\]: is it really problem to play m5, if w has to answer n3
Ootakamoku [-\]: kmr, ok, fine, with 100 point difference you need to win 5 games to every 1 loss to stay even, with 200 difference you need to win 10 games for every 1 loss to stay even.
invoker [5d\]: meh
invoker [5d\]: actually it's not bad for b 
YZ1509 [4d\]: rather o4 than o5
ofbusy [-\]: o5 thats all
]
;B[no]C[tuquedenne [4d\]: e11? d12?
ofbusy [-\]: got you yz
invoker [5d\]: very good for w globally this game
Fsoi [3k?\]:  
KurataSan [3d\]: o5 is safe 
Muttley [3k\]: q10 only move
Ten [?\]: White kind of has to add a move around e11
KurataSan [3d\]: e11 or something?
Lice [4d\]: nahhh
invoker [5d\]: no
invoker [5d\]: w has to protect on the left
keysersoze [?\]: d12 
tuquedenne [4d\]: and which one would you choose, Ten?
Muttley [3k\]: I don't think Ali will take gote here
invoker [5d\]: e11 
Lice [4d\]: r14
Ten [?\]: E11 is fine I guess, yeah
eweee: e11 huge
Muttley [3k\]: Doesn't e11 encourage w to negate the wall and leave black heavy?
invoker [5d\]: actually
NightShift [6d\]: can w try and get a sente from k5 weakness?
invoker [5d\]: w doesn't have to play there
fujiyama [8k\]: fan prepare a tea pot
invoker [5d\]: if b goes out 
invoker [5d\]: it's bad for b 
Lice [4d\]: no kidding
invoker [5d\]: w should play on the right 
gogonuts [4d\]: i wonder if n3 was too fancy
KurataSan [3d\]: fancy indeed
mafutrct [-\]: if M4 instead of n3, w has bad aji, no?
mafutrct [-\]: for isntance with b p3
ofbusy [-\]: r10 is like, logical but i think o17 is possible
Muttley [3k\]: Invoker best student at Mutt's Mojo Dojo
invoker [5d\]: :D 
invoker [5d\]: muttley senpai noticed me 
Muttley [3k\]: hehe
kostuek [?\]: quick, do a count
Muttley [3k\]: now pay your subscription fees!
wade [5d\]: did you teach him ko?
TurtleDove [5k\]: kind of worrying for W . without something like e11 he got nothing while B got a corner and a wall
Muttley [3k\]: not yet, he hasn't paid me
invoker [5d\]: i pay my fees with the blood of my ennemies beatn on the goban
Muttley [3k\]: that works.
YZ1509 [4d\]: can i pay with a smelly t-shirt i once won?
invoker [5d\]: beaten 
Muttley [3k\]: the creativity of the bitcoin generation cannot be underestimated
invoker [5d\]: bitcoin is over
gogonuts [4d\]: "i beat my teacher, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt"
invoker [5d\]: it's so 2014 
tesoro [1k?\]: c12 would be honte
Lice [4d\]: r14 would be honte
Ten [?\]: C12 looks like usosuji to me
Muttley [3k\]: e11 or q10
kostuek [?\]: more sushi
invoker [5d\]: r14 would be a 10k move 
invoker [5d\]: here
invoker [5d\]: (he will play it lol )
ofbusy [-\]: why not r14
Ootakamoku [-\]: because pincer too good
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;W[qj]C[invoker [5d\]: yeah the pincer hurts
invoker [5d\]: phiew
Muttley [3k\]: it just asks black to develop the right and say thank you
invoker [5d\]: he didn't play it 
NightShift [6d\]: good job invoker
Lice [4d\]: lucky you
Muttley [3k\]: its not q10 though
gogonuts [4d\]: p2?
PlaySlow [11k\]: Eh i admit i'd play R10 here:p
PlaySlow [11k\]: as a 11k:p
tuquedenne [4d\]: with Ten's comments you always learn new japanese names - btw, could you explain what usosuji means? :)
YZ1509 [4d\]: r10 is to old fashioned
invoker [5d\]: he says these to look fancy 
fujiyama [8k\]: no i think of R10 also because r14 or r6 possibility
Annie [2d\]: lair suji
Ten [?\]: bareta
YZ1509 [4d\]: i would bluntly play q9 instead
Ten [?\]: Uso means "lie"
tuquedenne [4d\]: ok
theolddan [2d\]: r10 splittish move
gogonuts [4d\]: we would prob translate as "fake" then
tuquedenne [4d\]: why would it be a lie? :)
Muttley [3k\]: r10 is much easier to settle than q10, but its the centre that worries me
kostuek [?\]: e10 takes care of the centre
Annie [2d\]: because when the japanese created and reformed their language they decided that uso would mean such things according to english translations
Muttley [3k\]: not entirely sure it does if b caps then plays h10
Muttley [3k\]: but I doubt fan will just give away territory that easily
setarkos [?\]: R12
mafutrct [-\]: mut, that's too open
fujiyama [8k\]: unfortunately black wall make no points ^^
Lice [4d\]: muttley go sit in the *corner*
setarkos [?\]: P2?
Muttley [3k\]: sob, slink, sit, pout
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;B[ei]C[ofbusy [-\]: omg
setarkos [?\]: fighting!
wade [5d\]: double hane
mafutrct [-\]: i read that w cannot double hane here
]
;W[fj]C[mafutrct [-\]: ._.
theolddan [2d\]: a new topic is emmerging
gogonuts [4d\]: the beast rises
WiteDragon [3k\]: fan hui not worried the wall will become heavy
Lice [4d\]: O:
ofbusy [-\]: no double hane ah
rija [1d\]: a weak group appear =)
NightShift [6d\]: next w would double hane
Breslauer [1k\]: i didnt see this kind of opening long time
theolddan [2d\]: the next few moves all forced at least
invoker [5d\]: d13 c14 g12,? ,
invoker [5d\]: what do you guys think about it 
WiteDragon [3k\]: anyone rooting for a certain player here?
invoker [5d\]: it looks fun 
Annie [2d\]: not cant, shouldnted
mafutrct [-\]: invoker, is that shape not too thin?
NightShift [6d\]: i would not c14 :P
invoker [5d\]: yeah
notevenbad [-\]: if ilya can't win this i don't really care
invoker [5d\]: this is my fear
Mitty [2k\]: this is the last round?
fujiyama [8k\]: d12
invoker [5d\]: i didn't read what happens if he doesn't c14 
NightShift [6d\]: final of euro champ
Invite28: it's the final
GoRoGoRo [11k?\]: It is the Fanali
notevenbad [-\]: main has another 5 rounds
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;B[fi]C[theolddan [2d\]: both will nobi for a while
]
;W[gj]
;B[eg]C[WiteDragon [3k\]:  or not
GoRoGoRo [11k?\]: NightShift [6d\]: next w would double hane
micha123: d12
gogonuts [4d\]: they dont try to play optimal moves, they just try to disprove the kibitzes
micha123: b connects
micha123: then g11
theolddan [2d\]: not was not an option
theolddan [2d\]: g11
mafutrct [-\]: keep d12 as long as possible, its a good option for late
TurtleDove [5k\]: B is systematically taking out areas where W can make points. don't look good for W imo
kostuek [?\]: you can't disprove kibitzes
gogonuts [4d\]: lol
gogonuts [4d\]: cant prover a negative :-)
Rodtank [1d\]: f16?
Invite28: c12 ?
kostuek [?\]: :)
theolddan [2d\]: speek english pleace i dont understand ....
Rodtank [1d\]: i think can allow c14 if it makes corner 100%
mafutrct [-\]: what happens if h12 c14 ?
mafutrct [-\]: c14 d14 d13 c12 seems mandatory
gogonuts [4d\]: g11 for me
NightShift [6d\]: c12 could c15
NightShift [6d\]: i would g11 too
theolddan [2d\]: w g11; chance will not come back
YZ1509 [4d\]: yes solid g11
kostuek [?\]: w needs some cash now
WiteDragon [3k\]: g11 and no more worries about g10 group
theolddan [2d\]: e13 likely to be a mistake
WiteDragon [3k\]: c13 less important stone imo
NightShift [6d\]: e13 looks fine
Lice [4d\]: i fear more of c14 d14 c15
Song17 [4d?\]: how much cash does b have?.. only one corner
micha123: i think b is aiming at c14
NightShift [6d\]: b says h12 c14 are miai
kostuek [?\]: but more potential for future cash it seems
theolddan [2d\]: c14 not a major desaster for w
NightShift [6d\]: sure, but b can settle
wade [5d\]: b13 (fake)sente :P
Muttley [3k\]: b tenuki the right, so w can take up camp there
TurtleDove [5k\]: true but how much potential cash does B have compared to W ?
theolddan [2d\]: w settles too with nice shape if g11
Fabbo [6k?\]: I'd G11
YZ1509 [4d\]: black aims at c15 and gouch out the corner while f11 runs towards l17 for life
WiteDragon [3k\]: g11 just too good for g10 and helps r10 a bit too, just let e13 settle and take sente
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;W[ce]C[WiteDragon [3k\]: aargh no
Muttley [3k\]: if you really want a territory count here, black is ahead
WiteDragon [3k\]: :)
]
;B[hh]C[WiteDragon [3k\]: b ahead b 3 points, mutt?
theolddan [2d\]: understandable but now b got what he wanted
theolddan [2d\]: an w must settle where he does not want to.
Muttley [3k\]: that was before c15, so I'd say its pretty balanced
Muttley [3k\]: almost impossible to say who would be ahead here in a meaningful way
WiteDragon [3k\]: ah yes
mafutrct [-\]: lice, i found no refutation to your C15
Fabbo [6k?\]: If white loses, it feels like C15 was the move where it started
Breslauer [1k\]: white has more points actually
momiji [3d\]: absurd to have a count now
Muttley [3k\]: its more meaningful here to try to catch the flow of the stones
Lice [4d\]: ye that's why w defended..
Breslauer [1k\]: but black is ahead, right?
rija [1d\]: W  sacrificed his corner for nothing...
]
;W[gc]C[Annie [2d\]: have you counted blacks points?
tesoro [1k?\]: bik
phx [7k?\]: you've noticed the power, with wich h12 took place on the board?
phx [7k?\]: on the stream
Invite28: cash...
Thumb [3d\]: J10
theolddan [2d\]: now g17 is too greedy i would say
WiteDragon [3k\]: wow
theolddan [2d\]: after j10 its a cramped shape
Annie [2d\]: g17 isnt greedy
WiteDragon [3k\]: how can w not be worried to death here?
Muttley [3k\]: ok, don't ask me to justify this :))
Breslauer [1k\]: j10 looks like only move for any kyu player
stoup [2k\]: j 10
Lice [4d\]: life is easy, but j10 sente might be paunful
Lice [4d\]: (if its sente)
Muttley [3k\]: b 46, w 44.5
]
;B[ij]C[fujiyama [8k\]: yes j10
stoup [2k\]: yep je connais mon sensei
Annie [2d\]: 46?
Breslauer [1k\]: is b11 ko ?
TurtleDove [5k\]: B loves these keima enclosures
Beef [3d\]: b11 b12
Lice [4d\]: hmm w should be able to tenuki here
theolddan [2d\]: w will struggle but will live
Muttley [3k\]: it shouldn't be whether w can live, but what b gets facing the right
ofbusy [-\]: i m looking at the video to see if b made an evil laugh while playing this
theolddan [2d\]: did he
theolddan [2d\]: ?
Muttley [3k\]: ofbusy, b is stroking his cat and plotting to take over the world
TurtleDove [5k\]: lol
fujiyama [8k\]: but j6 white move possible
YZ1509 [4d\]: j10 has the sound of a quasar
rija [1d\]: Ali: kill me if you can ?
Annie [2d\]: Dr. Evil the 3rd
theolddan [2d\]: he has a cat with him?
Ootakamoku [-\]: which one would be more outragous, to cut and attack black, or to tenuki and expand right side?
Muttley [3k\]: of course
Weishenme [4d\]: how W could play g17 and allow J10 ?
Muttley [3k\]: all evil genii have a cat
Annie [2d\]: both would kill
kostuek [?\]: tenuki here is sure scary for w
gogonuts [4d\]: all hail fan
tuquedenne [4d\]: looks weird but he must have an idea :)
]
;W[cj]C[Muttley [3k\]: main point: live without asking b to add more tones around k-line
]
;B[di]C[mafutrct [-\]: i think w could tenuki and live with 2.5 eyes
kmr [1d\]: white must be sure of living inside
]
;W[bi]
;B[bh]
;W[aj]C[Muttley [3k\]: question is, can you make d7 sente to live?
]
;B[ch]
;W[qf]C[theolddan [2d\]: b must be careful not to end in gote
mafutrct [-\]: w has b6.ish aji, no?
Lice [4d\]: hooray!
Lice [4d\]: go ali!
ofbusy [-\]: c4 b4 b6 c6 b7 b5 b8 
theolddan [2d\]: which he did now?
Muttley [3k\]: no fear
Weishenme [4d\]: incredible
theolddan [2d\]: now comes the big punnisher?
kostuek [?\]: gote life no option too
bitzi [-\]: fan must be angry now
Muttley [3k\]: Fan's veins are throbbing in his temple at the insouciance of his arch enemy
oned [1d\]: c4 answer is not b4
EGC2015a [-\]: Ali seems really confident with his moves
Muttley [3k\]: his cat is hissing.
gogonuts [4d\]: no, fan is fine
stoup [2k\]: fan va avoir faim :)
Weishenme [4d\]: w not afraid of g8
WiteDragon [3k\]: not angry, happy to punish
fujiyama [8k\]: i said R14 option white choose now
EGC2015a [-\]: and Fan smile after his last move
Muttley [3k\]: yeah, b expect w to tenuki for sure
Thumb [3d\]: F8 rather?
Weishenme [4d\]: yes f8
YZ1509 [4d\]: pity my cat is making his beautynap now i can't read his thoughts about the game
TurtleDove [5k\]: smile or evil grin ?
tuquedenne [4d\]: f8 looks like a shape
fujiyama [8k\]: chinese yellow smile
theolddan [2d\]: could be because fans cat come visiting hime
Invite28: my cat is coughing
Beef [3d\]: f8 looks more like a lost stone in the future than g8 though
WiteDragon [3k\]: my cat is dead
GoRoGoRo [11k?\]: is cat short form of catastrophy?
WiteDragon [3k\]: or alive, i'd have to take a look in the box one day
mafutrct [-\]: h9 b8 b7 d7 c6 c8 would be easy life
fujiyama [8k\]: o17 black normally ?
tuquedenne [4d\]: however with w b6 it's not easy to kill
theolddan [2d\]: g8 very likely now imho
WiteDragon [3k\]: anyone thoughts on r13 instead of r14?
]
;B[fl]C[mafutrct [-\]: g8 lives directly
Weishenme [4d\]: b c8 also weird but interesting
EGC2015a [-\]: fan strikes hard
YZ1509 [4d\]: yes f8 i was reading that too
theolddan [2d\]: ah fan wants more
fujiyama [8k\]: fan 's smile win: " i will kill you "
EGC2015a [-\]: sound of placing stone was loud 
tuquedenne [4d\]: pachi!
gogonuts [4d\]: no wonder
theolddan [2d\]: but couldnt f8 be captured
theolddan [2d\]: ?
]
;W[el]C[gogonuts [4d\]: it's loud even with the speakers turned off :-)
Weishenme [4d\]: c8 now !
fujiyama [8k\]: thus g8 b ect
theolddan [2d\]: b8 you mean?
]
;B[bl]C[theolddan [2d\]: b8 is nice now
Lice [4d\]: c8 doesn't do much cause w b8 threatens two eyes
uolhdf: bad for w ?
tuquedenne [4d\]: pretty dangerous
fujiyama [8k\]: haha white is dead
Thumb [3d\]: not yet
theolddan [2d\]: w can live anyway
kostuek [?\]: that looks a bit scary
Thoravatar [2d\]: seems unlikely white will die here
theolddan [2d\]: c12 mistake imho
tuquedenne [4d\]: g8 then j9?
fujiyama [8k\]: d7
gogonuts [4d\]: that looks like a really cramped life for w
]
;W[bk]C[theolddan [2d\]: b will take a photo of this w shape
pastlink [?\]: anyway this could be a painfull life for w
gogonuts [4d\]: h8?
gogonuts [4d\]: or just leave it?
wade [5d\]: j9 next for w?
theolddan [2d\]: maybe a lunch break after this to let this shape impact ali
pastlink [?\]: fan alway want to kill
YZ1509 [4d\]: if black can c8 , he will
fujiyama [8k\]: where is the second white eye?
kostuek [?\]: at d8
gogonuts [4d\]: h8 fine for b, imo
pastlink [?\]: so he will c8 ^^
Lice [4d\]: h8 meaningless, better tenuki
theolddan [2d\]: yes h8
theolddan [2d\]: then come back to around o17
gogonuts [4d\]: i cant really decide, h8 or tenuki
theolddan [2d\]: or r12
pastlink [?\]: h8 seems good
ofbusy [-\]: if w alive its ok to reinforce b s outside in sente
mafutrct [-\]: just c8 j9 k9 j11 k11 h10 k10 g7  .. ?
fujiyama [8k\]: D7 white?
gogonuts [4d\]: c8 would be more fan-like :-)
Thumb [3d\]: i'd play d7 instead of C8, too
mafutrct [-\]: i dont think b can resist white from either moving out or capturing f8 
herissondu [5d\]: it's probably useless to do it now
GoRoGoRo [11k?\]: W aiming at aji with cut k5 as an aid to escape or liv inside?
gogonuts [4d\]: so back to p2?
herissondu [5d\]: maybe later another move will be sente for b in the center
tesoro [1k?\]: fan is disapointed white living
PlaySlow [11k\]: It is so good to me that Fan solidified his H4 group by attacking white group at left:)
theolddan [2d\]: after c8 w can make 2nd eye with g7
herissondu [5d\]: and  won't play there now
]
;B[qh]
;W[of]C[gogonuts [4d\]: herissondu, I understand your theoretical argument :-)
]
;B[pi]C[cartoon [6k\]: r2 was sente for ignoring d2
gogonuts [4d\]: good grief
Lice [4d\]: now we know w is ahead
gogonuts [4d\]: they found a new excuse for war
theolddan [2d\]: q11 does not look good
theolddan [2d\]: allowing o18
pastlink [?\]: i'm pretty sure b feel good there
mafutrct [-\]: i think O16 too slow, then R7 
Annie [2d\]: well considering black really only has the bottom left hes gotta
Thoravatar [2d\]: ?
WiteDragon [3k\]: w doesn't have anything yet either, there's plenty aji in top left 
Thoravatar [2d\]: look at all that's black got , in comparison to what white has
Tristero [2d?\]: w group still ko aji?
Annie [2d\]: top left is ko
YZ1509 [4d\]: white has three weak groups in a vast black moyo
Tristero [2d?\]: c9 group i mean
mafutrct [-\]: c17 e18 should be dead at the moment, no?
]
;W[nd]C[mafutrct [-\]: rather, b J17 is sente
Tristero [2d?\]: if b prevents the eye at e9 by playing d8 it's ko?
mafutrct [-\]: heh, now b R7 :)
theolddan [2d\]: bq10 to be consistent
theolddan [2d\]: even though i like w more
mafutrct [-\]: ah, TL is ko actually, with A12 sente
ofbusy [-\]: r7 s16 p2 mega exchange party
pastlink [?\]: live in the corner sente and come back to r8  ^^
cartoon [6k\]: isn't w d9 group lost?
mafutrct [-\]: no, d9 is currently able to live
mafutrct [-\]: though barely
Thumb [3d\]: O17 anyway for me
YZ1509 [4d\]: p15 o15 o14 to stirr an all out fight?
]
;B[pj]
;W[qc]C[theolddan [2d\]: w has g7 if b is doing evel moves around b10 eye
pastlink [?\]: now h8 
Invite28: good call, theolddan
pastlink [?\]: and reduce the top
theolddan [2d\]: r17 could be too slow
poiuyt: w c8 b b7 w d7 simple second eye
cartoon [6k\]: d9 gourp needs sente to live i guess
dragonslay [-\]: Blacks toast
Lice [4d\]: alialialiali
WiteDragon [3k\]: m17 sometime?
ozjohn [3k?\]: black is ok imo
kostuek [?\]: looks close, even closer with komi
ofbusy [-\]: hm w seems pretty ahead to me
dragonslay [-\]: Its not close blacks losing
Thumb [3d\]: P2 now?
WiteDragon [3k\]: b more solid everywhere and thus ore potential
pastlink [?\]: w more cach but b have so much potential
]
;B[or]C[dragonslay [-\]: R6 has a bit of potential
tuquedenne [4d\]: very strong Thumb :)
theolddan [2d\]: both w corners have still a lot of aji a13 might become sente : so ok for b
EGC2015a [-\]: another loudly placement stone from Fan
suibaku [1d\]: white's left apparently has some issues
dragonslay [-\]: Aw thought it was whites turn
Iniesta [2k\]: is there a website with statistics of europeans pro confrontation ?
Tristero [2d?\]: europeangodatabase.eu?
theolddan [2d\]: tuquedenne: did he train it?
dragonslay [-\]: R4 seems golden
kostuek [?\]: w may need to live here tho
ozjohn [3k?\]: has to f2 or the like
dragonslay [-\]: He can sacrifice 2 stones for corner.
theolddan [2d\]: it is threatening eye space
kostuek [?\]: if this isn't sente, maybe k16
IraTrask [2k\]: How much is euro pro salary?
WiteDragon [3k\]: j2 j3 h1 problem for w if w tenuki?
pastlink [?\]: j2 is a problem i think
ozjohn [3k?\]: it is sente imo
Saeki [-\]: dont think fan would play it if it wasnt sente
Lice [4d\]: j2 not a problem cause e2 no libs
dragonslay [-\]: Salary for euro pro = almost nothing
qgo [4k\]: white lower group has to live
WiteDragon [3k\]: ah ok
rija [1d\]: B built big moyo
Mneme [3k\]: how would you continue to kill white if white don't answer ?
ozjohn [3k?\]: maybe h1
theolddan [2d\]: o2
dragonslay [-\]: O2
qgo [4k\]: j 2
theolddan [2d\]: then j2
theolddan [2d\]: and w has one eye
dragonslay [-\]: White j2?
Mneme [3k\]: if b o2 w f2  it's still dead ?
Lice [4d\]: no
theolddan [2d\]: no
dragonslay [-\]: O2 n2 j2?
theolddan [2d\]: but o2 is slow
dragonslay [-\]: White looks alive 
WiteDragon [3k\]: but can w allow to lose o3 and thus much aji in b mojo?
theolddan [2d\]: maybe there is now a better way 
dragonslay [-\]: He will probably o3.
theolddan [2d\]: though i dont see a better way
WiteDragon [3k\]: o3 is taken
dragonslay [-\]: P3*
pastlink [?\]: he will probably find some move who defends and create aji in the corner
whitespark [2k\]: B j2 w j3 b h1
theolddan [2d\]: but k4 + a peep before living might help w group to get closer to b center moyo
]
;W[gm]C[notevenbad [-\]: what if b g8 or something?
Saeki [-\]: :O
tuquedenne [4d\]: lol
notevenbad [-\]: oh w got me
notevenbad [-\]: :p
theolddan [2d\]: g7 same idea
SemiBluff: j2 gets captured, look at c2
]
;B[nr]C[Saeki [-\]: :O
tuquedenne [4d\]: now f2?
theolddan [2d\]: but i dont see it working
]
;W[mr]C[theolddan [2d\]: so w dies?
IraTrask [2k\]: w just died?
rija [1d\]: another tenuki hum, we should call Ali tenuki sama
dragonslay [-\]: Hard to kill this hmm
whitespark [2k\]: Egc, does fan look happy after this reaponse?
]
;B[fr]C[EGC2015a [-\]: now they are both serious
theolddan [2d\]: the cat went away?
invoker [5d\]: they have ro read bot
Thumb [3d\]: whereas it was all fun&games before :)
WiteDragon [3k\]: tsumegotime
Miky [4k\]: i think p2 was absolute sente
OTK [12k\]: that escalated quickly lol
chappy [3k\]: w has to j2
wade [5d\]: j2 just alive no?
dragonslay [-\]: No
WiteDragon [3k\]: would be so awkward to lose the game because of misread here
dragonslay [-\]: Half sacrifice.
invoker [5d\]: alive but b can will get l3 in exchange of nothing
kostuek [?\]: g7 takes another gote... i don't quite understand it
theolddan [2d\]: j2 k1 now
highhand [5k\]: w d7
wade [5d\]: sacrifice what?
chappy [3k\]: i see it alive with j2 then l3 or g1 miai
theolddan [2d\]: and w dies
invoker [5d\]: it's alive but b will be able to play l3 
Iniesta [2k\]: stream does not worl
Iniesta [2k\]: k
chappy [3k\]: j2 k1 g2
dixxa: what after j2 j3 ?
invoker [5d\]: so that j6 doesn't thretean b anymore
invoker [5d\]: he is merely preparing the fight in the center 
dragonslay [-\]: J2 g2 
dixxa: j2 g2 k1 ?
omggg [6k?\]: Iniesta, the stream is working fine here
PlaySlow [10k\]: Wow
PlaySlow [10k\]: Fan Hui is French?
dragonslay [-\]: G8 hmm
Saeki [-\]: can someone post the stream?
theolddan [2d\]: j2 g2 agree
PlaySlow [10k\]: Always thought him as Chinese:)
noob1d [5d?\]: I don't like theatrical players who slam stones
omggg [6k?\]: stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQIEn3oudsA
PlaySlow [10k\]: http://egc2015.cz/stream
invoker [5d\]: he was chinese
invoker [5d\]: he became french
]
;W[jo]C[theolddan [2d\]: this is why they do it noob1d
pastlink [?\]: j3 
theolddan [2d\]: ah w gets desperate
noob1d [5d?\]: not all
Jahfab [2d\]: he lives in France for 15 years now, and speak almost prefectly french :)
cartoon [6k\]: action
dragonslay [-\]: Hmm this seems interesting.
Tristero [2d?\]: don't get it
snowmen [4d\]: game over?
theolddan [2d\]: its related to p4 aji
Noemis [3d\]: almost
tuquedenne [4d\]: "almost perfectly"
Song17 [4d?\]: this looks fine to me..
theolddan [2d\]: but i think it does not work
Jahfab [2d\]: :p
wade [5d\]: k4 l3 j2 j3 g2 j5 and g4 dies 
invoker [5d\]: it's not over at all lol 
IraTrask [2k\]: it will make J3 sente for w
invoker [5d\]: stop trolling snowmen
Yamoz [6k\]: white resign
tuquedenne [4d\]: "mostly harmless"
theolddan [2d\]: tuque: anyone speaks perfect?
mafutrct [-\]: i did in the past
hjkjhk: motoki does
Tristero [2d?\]: marcel proust did
dragonslay [-\]: Great play by white
kostuek [?\]: ah, now g7 makes some sense i guess
invoker [5d\]: yeah i dunno why motoki speaks better french than fan 
invoker [5d\]: like, motoki has no accent at all 
Jahfab [2d\]: Motoki also write french prefectly ^^
wade [5d\]: motoki is god !
PlaySlow [10k\]: If black K4s, white would sacrifce L4 stone right?
tuquedenne [4d\]: because he studied it
mafutrct [-\]: i think noone got that joke ._.
YZ1509 [4d\]: quelle vache
Mneme [3k\]: Motoki and Fan speak french pretty well
dragonslay [-\]: Life in vote seems ok
dingo1 [-\]: qui parle francais ici ?
Tonight [3k?\]: Moi
ofbusy [-\]: ouam
Cocorico [21k?\]: moi
pastlink [?\]: fan
Jahfab [2d\]: plein de monde
theolddan [2d\]: personne
AA76 [10k\]: moi
stopandgo [9k\]: moi 
Tonight [3k?\]: Je suis israelien mais je parle francais
dingo1 [-\]: top is 2d
dopingg [11k\]: permeh mon amur pense quelke folie
Iniesta [2k\]: espagnol mais parle francais
Cocorico [21k?\]: trois moaa?
stopandgo [9k\]: habla?
Iniesta [2k\]: viva barcelona
Cocorico [21k?\]: ah non quatre
globax [3d\]: moa aussi^^
dingo1 [-\]: BRAVO !!!
theolddan [2d\]: can b now cut at j3?
tcjj: moi aussi
Tonight [3k?\]: Toute le monde parler francais
qgo [4k\]: je suis hallandais et je parle francais
qgo [4k\]: hollandais*)
YZ1509 [4d\]: jáccuse le francophone!
Clems [1k\]: péruvien mais parle francais
oliv2016 [10k\]: moi
Iniesta [2k\]: anticonstitutionellement
stopandgo [9k\]: merci messieurs
YZ1509 [4d\]: et du mayonaise
Punyferret [11k\]: There are many foreigners speaking a better french than natives
pastlink [?\]: belge mais parle français
fujiyama [8k\]: black k4
neuneu [6k\]: rrhho les trolls, moi je suis français mais je ne le parle pas
theolddan [2d\]: merci neuneu
stopandgo [9k\]: the question is : why wait and think?
Catlemur [2k\]: The French are plotting to conquer Europe again.
dingo1 [-\]: I'm afraid not anymore
kostuek [?\]: if they do it by palying go its ok
jookeer3 [3d\]: tourangeau mais parle francais
GoRoGoRo [11k?\]: ah ... k5
YZ1509 [4d\]: toutes a cause du coq au vin
Siskas: weakest country in history of world which lost every war cant conquer anything :)
bts [4k\]: lol Jooker
Iniesta [2k\]: on parle pas francais a Tours ?
dgom69 [?\]: Hello Dinerstein lost yesterday? (Sorry if I spell wrongly his name)
dingo1 [-\]: Les francais ont créé le monte carlo pour le go. C'est deja pas mal
jookeer3 [3d\]: ouai on fait ce qu'on peut :)
EGC2015a [-\]: Dino is playing weekend tournament and have 3 wins
]
;B[jn]C[dragonslay [-\]: He got a lot better 
gryholt [8k\]: He lost to Cornel?
Cool [1k\]: j2 
EGC2015a [-\]: http://egc2015.cz/results
IraTrask [2k\]: j2 is a bit pathetic
dragonslay [-\]: Connect black misread
theolddan [2d\]: did fan seriously consider g2?
Cool [1k\]: k4 
theolddan [2d\]: i think b just compromised
]
;W[kq]C[IraTrask [2k\]: K8
IraTrask [2k\]: J8
dragonslay [-\]: Heh white trying to revert to his reading
cartoon [6k\]: don't get nastionalists here. remember go seigen
stopandgo [9k\]: is b playing with the fire?
ofbusy [-\]: j7 
Korea4K [1d\]: k5 bigmis
dragonslay [-\]: H6
jookeer3 [3d\]: J6 ou J7 c'est nikel pour noir
Thew [1d\]: so eh, why not k4? I dont see it
stopandgo [9k\]: J5?
YZ1509 [4d\]: yeah nastyonalism is seriouz
alex12 [4d\]: h7
theolddan [2d\]: at least w succeeded in living now
dragonslay [-\]: 7?
globax [3d\]: j6
Korea4K [1d\]: two weak group for b
theolddan [2d\]: did not think this was possible
chappy [3k\]: not yet
noob1d [5d?\]: strange final
noob1d [5d?\]: is israel part of europe?
Korea4K [1d\]: at lest one dead
NightShift [6d\]: i feel like all the young europeans got stronger cos their games used to make sense, but now they are so crazy
stopandgo [9k\]: no
Tonight [3k?\]: Yeah in sports
stopandgo [9k\]: israel middle east
YZ1509 [4d\]: yeah australia is part of europe too
cartoon [6k\]: nationality shouldn't matter in go. may be there is influence on play style by cultural influence though 
globax [3d\]: j6 j2 o18
rija [1d\]: Israel is even part of america dude =)
NightShift [6d\]: australia was in eurovision song contest
Thew [1d\]: why not k4?
fdh: romania's neighbour is australia
Laman [2k?\]: Israel part of EGF
noob1d [5d?\]: should matter to be "european" go champion
Invite28: israel is member of UEFA
wade [5d\]: we were throwen out of every continent lol
IraTrask [2k\]: America is part of Israel.
YZ1509 [4d\]: precisely nightshift
Punyferret [11k\]: Influence on play style and skill too
rija [1d\]: iraTrask +1 ;)
Ootakamoku [-\]: cartoon, very much so, asian and european players for example tend to have very different styles, even when they have the same rank
Punyferret [11k\]: the more players you have the eisier it is to find good ones
jusi [2k\]: h6 ?
Iniesta [2k\]: can w live with r4 or smthg ?
]
;B[in]C[NightShift [6d\]: w doing a lot of living
Ootakamoku [-\]: is w alive with bottom group?
Ootakamoku [-\]: cause w needs to live with first for sure
Korea4K [1d\]: miami a or b groupe
Ootakamoku [-\]: cant read it being alive if he tenukies
NightShift [6d\]: i think he needs to add
Usurper [3d\]: j2 for live in gote
Breslauer [1k\]: where is miami?
Fabbo [6k?\]: if he tenukis will j2 kill
NightShift [6d\]: if he tenukis then h1
]
;W[js]C[tuquedenne [4d\]: w's pretty much under pressure, don't know if the north will be enough
YZ1509 [4d\]: tenuki at d7 perhaps?
Iniesta [2k\]: yes but with this shape corner is it safe ?
NightShift [6d\]: j2 can end with shortage of liberties
snowmen [4d\]: nice life
]
;B[qo]C[globax [3d\]: n18 possible ?
Iniesta [2k\]: big points now
NightShift [6d\]: that's a big quarter fan has
IraTrask [2k\]: small life = game down the sewer
NightShift [6d\]: one more move then time to count
YZ1509 [4d\]: so this skirmish is over now rhe top of the board is in focus
tuquedenne [4d\]: w can't afford this quarter, has to something there imo
Song17 [4d?\]: top vs. center
noob1d [5d?\]: j11 if w feels he is behind
ofbusy [-\]: b has advanced so maybe game is even now
Ootakamoku [-\]: w j11 to get natural reduction on center
Hellhuman [1d?\]: How much is price money for this european championship?
Invite28: a free beer
noob1d [5d?\]: usually more than 5000 euro
YZ1509 [4d\]: 2 euro's minus expenses
Iniesta [2k\]: one expresso
IraTrask [2k\]: 2 Drachma
ofbusy [-\]: what about j11 weakness ..
jookeer3 [3d\]: E11 easily alive
NightShift [6d\]: 3 free lessons from Ten
micha123: J13
TurtleDove [5k\]: a cheese roll
jookeer3 [3d\]: W H14 before trying to cut ?
Fabbo [6k?\]: is white K12 bad?
globax [3d\]: k12
snowmen [4d\]: q3 also aji
noob1d [5d?\]: free lessons from fan hui
WiteDragon [3k\]: don't see how w can win now. has to take entire top to compensate for b cash or do something on the right but i can's see either happen
noob1d [5d?\]: fan hui would have to teach himself
cartoon [6k\]: advertisnig contracts with adidas
NightShift [6d\]: l11 is my bet
ofbusy [-\]: well i would certainly consider k12 , dont know if its good or bad
Iniesta [2k\]: l11 looks deep
noob1d [5d?\]: k12 possible
whitespark [2k\]: Guys is the right side really so large?
chappy [3k\]: l10 is mine
NightShift [6d\]: but k12 l11 seems like a lost game
noob1d [5d?\]: not is b can kill
Invite28: is there still aji in top right corner  ?
noob1d [5d?\]: w can kill b i mean
NightShift [6d\]: (he says without counting)
Usurper [3d\]: how is it that dinerstein is 3p and fan 2p? Fan seems quite a bit stronger than dinerstein to my, admittedly ignorant, eye. 
NightShift [6d\]: kill that is a dream
Thew [1d\]: cant white live with r10 aji?
kostuek [?\]: n10 too deep?
Ootakamoku [-\]: something like o9 for outragous invasion
snowmen [4d\]: l10
NightShift [6d\]: different pro associations and one is earned through competition, one through honorary
noob1d [5d?\]: w has to try something
NightShift [6d\]: both players are strong
noob1d [5d?\]: he is behind by a lot
Song17 [4d?\]: w might win with h14 k13 k15 
gomac: is this final?
ofbusy [-\]: it is
Song17 [4d?\]: yes
Invite28: diner is corean honorary 3p
gomac: thanks
tonyho [1d\]: can w get sth around r6?
NightShift [6d\]: a painful death :p
Tristero [2d?\]: h14 looks interesting indeed. Or k12 perhaps
YZ1509 [4d\]: white m10 seems good fun
fujiyama [8k\]: white M12 ?
noob1d [5d?\]: death in gote
noob1d [5d?\]: l10 deep invasion go!
Ootakamoku [-\]: wonder if w trying to figure out if there is enough aji around q6, n6 etc to actually play in that area
Ootakamoku [-\]: feels like w has to find something there, otherwise just not enuf
NightShift [6d\]: i think j11 follow up is better after l11 than l10
micha123: J13 threatens to cut expand moyo and prepare invasion
YZ1509 [4d\]: m10 next 09
gomac: big territory
whitespark [2k\]: P7?
ofbusy [-\]: l10 
ofbusy [-\]: hum..
Tristero [2d?\]: o10
gogonuts [4d\]: w would like to press against the center, but has to be afraid of b top invasion
Ootakamoku [-\]: gogonuts, looks to me more like b would end up pressing against w top than other way around
Lice [4d\]: opening was way too good for black
fujiyama [8k\]: So i think Ali must done a White stone probe
NightShift [6d\]: b needs 15 points more in the center of his moyo (i.e. above 4th line) than w gets at top
whitespark [2k\]: Did w screw up when played o3 and got pressed down?
Lice [4d\]: before
NightShift [6d\]: maybe r10 was too much
Lice [4d\]: b got a very big corner at lower left
jookeer3 [3d\]: I like B M17
noob1d [5d?\]: r13 safer than r14 
Ootakamoku [-\]: r10 at e11 was calmer choice
snowmen [4d\]: SE thinks close game
ofbusy [-\]: its like another game just begins right now..
whitespark [2k\]: Oh, it was e7 then
RemiCoulom [?\]: CS says 54.8% for B
Ten [?\]: I come back 90 minutes later and finally people think white e11 was fine
WiteDragon [3k\]: aha i asked about m17 earlier too!
Iniesta [2k\]: top can become huge for w too
ChrisHH [2d\]: j13?
Lice [4d\]: e11 wasn't fine, b would still be very much ahead
DrH0use [1k\]: hello
NightShift [6d\]: w can't see as far as you oh might Ten
snowmen [4d\]: But CS bot is overestimating moyos
GoRoGoRo [11k?\]: Thanks Remi
NightShift [6d\]: that's why you give the winner of this free lessons :p
fujiyama [8k\]: i think the better move in this game will be h11 cutting move
Ootakamoku [-\]: and even if w had played something on the right side, I would have preferred a high stone, rather than 3rd line
tuquedenne [4d\]: so Ten, do you also think b is far ahead there?
Ten [?\]: No, I thought white was fine
Muttley [3k\]: I said b should have q10 :))
Ten [?\]: R10 seemed good to me, too, though personally I dislike leaving aji like e11 around
noob1d [5d?\]: do other inseis study european go championship games too?
ofbusy [-\]: best move at this point is take a break and eat sugar
TurtleDove [5k\]: W needs a sneaky way to enlarge the top . direct unlikely. somehow cut and attack h12
Ten [?\]: I don't think the insei know what KGS is
NightShift [6d\]: ten have you met hutoshi?
Ten [?\]: No idea
Lice [4d\]: ten have you met hikaru?
kostuek [?\]: tell them:)
Ten [?\]: I did meet a Shindoo Hikaru, yes
snowmen [4d\]: j13 not out of question
NightShift [6d\]: ten iiiiis hikaru
Weishenme [4d\]: the  about 4 poins life in both white groups is not a good result
dingo1 [-\]: so long
Ten [?\]: Shindoo Hikaru's son sometimes takes lessons from my teacher
noob1d [5d?\]: have most insei seen hikaru no go?
Lice [4d\]: tsugoi!
Ten [?\]: Ok, time to get back to the game anyway
tuquedenne [4d\]: so, what would you play now? :)
cartoon [6k\]: w must save bottom group. b j1 looks awfully dangerous to me
Koukkaaja [-\]: Clearly w has to look for subtle overplays
NightShift [6d\]: j1 no problem
IraTrask [1k\]: I just played a whole game and he has not moved...
fujiyama [8k\]: tuguedenne i will play h11 with white
cartoon [6k\]: thx nightshift. though i can't understand :)
Ten [?\]: I would try to look for an opportunity to pressure black in the centre
ChrisHH [2d\]: j13 starts a moyo contest
tuquedenne [4d\]: thanks, fujiyama - I was not really asking you but thanks anyway
Ten [?\]: Maybe I'd play around o11 for the time being
snowmen [4d\]: j1 h1 dameuzmari
Fabbo [6k?\]: l10 or k12 seems reasonable
Muttley [3k\]: j1 j2 h1 g1 and b is captured
Weishenme [4d\]: B b2 is a ko threat :)
noob1d [5d?\]: j2 j3 , b can't connect so that's one eye, l1 another eye, so w alive
testgo1 [3k\]: w have attack move like h14 h11 
tuquedenne [4d\]: I wouldn't have thought about o11, interesting
NightShift [6d\]: i don't think w is far behind
Muttley [3k\]: k2 and L1 are eyes so alive, yes
NightShift [6d\]: still a game
Ootakamoku [-\]: how would be respond to w q6?
Ootakamoku [-\]: b*
Lice [4d\]: pass
mafutrct [-\]: q6 o9 ? ._.
Jahfab [2d\]: what are their time, EGC, please ?
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;W[ni]C[NightShift [6d\]: wow
Ten [?\]: Well, what do you know
NightShift [6d\]: Ten rocks!
Muttley [3k\]: trollolol
kostuek [?\]: ten power
tuquedenne [4d\]: :-D
Lice [4d\]: impressish
Nande [2d\]: Ten, you are too much of an insei ;p
tuquedenne [4d\]: Thumb&Ten are strong, one to guess Fan moves and one to guess Ali
uolhdf: on peut trouver les fichiers sgf du tournoi quelque part ?
Muttley [3k\]: Relayer, can you ask Ali to stop watching the kibitz on his phone :))
noob1d [5d?\]: w o9 good followup
Tristero [2d?\]: ah - close miss
Ten [?\]: I wanted to go for white q9 though
Deiev [8k\]: uolhdf si tu fais option
Ten [?\]: But black's going to prevent that prospect anyway
Muttley [3k\]: q9 is seriously hardcore
Iniesta [2k\]: o9 too passive for b ?
Deiev [8k\]: analyse 
xzar [1k\]: uolhdf: tu peux les trouver sur kgs archives egc2015a, b, c, d
noob1d [5d?\]: q9 would seem suicidal
Deiev [8k\]: tu devrais pouvoir lavoir nn ?
GoRoGoRo [11k?\]: I wonder if B will slam his next stone on o13
Deiev [8k\]: k
uolhdf: les parties pas juste celle-ci
Deiev [8k\]: ok
noob1d [5d?\]: i prefer lee changho, always calm
noob1d [5d?\]: players who slam stones are infantile
Muttley [3k\]: h16 and mutual destruction
uolhdf: ok merci
GoRoGoRo [11k?\]: This one is fantile
Muttley [3k\]: o11 is already dead as far as fan is concerned
GoRoGoRo [11k?\]: or even o13
NightShift [6d\]: has anyone got enough pixels to make out the time? to me it looks like ali 41 and fan 1:02?
Laman [2k?\]: i'd say the same
nidza92 [6d?\]: almost all pros slam stones
noob1d [5d?\]: ten is like ali's sai
Babibo [2d\]: many pros are very young though. 
tuquedenne [4d\]: hello Nikola - why don't you play the E.C. ? you're in japan too,
tuquedenne [4d\]: ?
Ten [?\]: I feel like the old pros are the one to slam the most
gluiwiya [4k\]: j2
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;B[pg]C[himanin [2k\]: seem deep
IraTrask [1k\]: If you notice whether your opponent is or is not slamming stones you are not concentrating.
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;W[pf]
;B[nh]C[Iniesta [2k\]: go fan
rsg [5k\]: Go Ali
Babibo [2d\]: ali go ! (allez les aveyronnais)
noob1d [5d?\]: when you're not confident in your go strength alone, you have to resort to psychological tricks
tuquedenne [4d\]: :D
snowmen [4d\]: s12 nice probe
]
;W[mh]
;B[ng]C[Cocorico [21k?\]: ali go  from age
Fabbo [6k?\]: now k12?
tuquedenne [4d\]: "Ali's go is strong: potatoes, garlic and fresh aubrac's tomme"
noob1d [5d?\]: time for some magic
snowmen [4d\]: m14 looks natural
Babibo [2d\]: ali go is too heavy for me though
Cocorico [21k?\]: ça me donne faim
NightShift [6d\]: i would rather have his go than my go :p
fujiyama [8k\]: so they done a seal move for lunch?
fujiyama [8k\]: now h11 move will be good
noob1d [5d?\]: trading your go for his would mean you'd lose all your own go history and memories
noob1d [5d?\]: not a good trade imo
ponnolone [8k?\]: time?
NightShift [6d\]: hmm ok that deal sounds lame
Laman [2k?\]: but being European 1p, get all the fame, money and chicks...
pastlink [?\]: the two last move from w are strange
PlaySlow [10k\]: Ali 0:37, Fan 1:00 as i can read from pixels in stream..
snowmen [4d\]: L10 for sabaki
ponnolone [8k?\]: ty play
TurtleDove [5k\]: fame :) 99% of Europeans never heard of the game
NightShift [6d\]: 99.9
YZ1509 [4d\]: not at all, just finding an opening over j12 cutable shape to enter at m10 inside blacks sphere
Mneme [3k\]: more 99.999
NightShift [6d\]: Ten can you tell us where they will play? I am tired of waiting :p
YZ1509 [4d\]: if black gets a stone on g15 naturally, then white seems lost
YZ1509 [4d\]: a13 b16 remains aji too
WiteDragon [3k\]: oh i just realised this is the board as fan sees it, not the scribe
wade [5d\]: a13 not sente i think
WiteDragon [3k\]: is there a reason for that?
gluiwiya [4k\]: seems easy for b now ,  b j2 simply kill to win
NightShift [6d\]: agree with wade
wade [5d\]: :)
YZ1509 [4d\]: so ali is forced to bend his head further and further reading the topside, that's good psychologically
mafutrct [-\]: j2 j3 h1 h2 j1 g1 
Thumb [3d\]: K12? everything seems vague
TurtleDove [5k\]: wants to keep n12 alive without damaging top right corner ?
Laman [2k?\]: WiteDragon: games are cannonically recorded from the black's perspective
ofbusy [-\]: this position needs a lot of counting to be played ...
WiteDragon [3k\]: ok, sounds logical, thx
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;W[jh]C[noob1d [5d?\]: the move we suggested earlier
Thumb [3d\]: Vague to me. Ali can read
obs: b n11?
bleen [1d\]: n11 seems to be passive somehow
NightShift [6d\]: n11 too small, w will just give
bleen [1d\]: b just kept his box while w is allowed to cut here
Thumb [3d\]: H14 then?
wade [5d\]: did ali play as b some game at the tournament?
NightShift [6d\]: next 20 moves could decide it
Usurper [3d\]: as can any 20 moves
noob1d [5d?\]: i also don't like players who are always messing with the stones
YZ1509 [4d\]: first probe m17 for response?
noob1d [5d?\]: making sounds to try to disturb the opponent
wade [5d\]: m17 probably no response?
gogonuts [4d\]: awesomely difficult choices - they're lucky they are pros :-)
Saeki [-\]: I kick my opponents under the table when trying to disturb them
Breslauer [1k\]: when will be review?
snowmen [4d\]: now either n15 or n13
EGC2015a [-\]: Till friday colours was decided by pairing, so Ali should have played some games by black. Semi and final nigiri.
noob1d [5d?\]: try telling them there is something in their teeth
wade [5d\]: i see thx
]
;B[ih]
;W[ji]C[Noemis [3d\]: poor noob1d, go players are devils
noob1d [5d?\]: unexpected fix of the cut, making w stronger
Thumb [3d\]: Ow. Thought J12 would be too crude
noob1d [5d?\]: h10 ?
Usurper [3d\]: which players are still in the running for the championship?
tuquedenne [4d\]: these two
WiteDragon [3k\]: review starts in 20 minutes
Iniesta [2k\]: nice
Usurper [3d\]: i thought ilya also won all his games?
Thumb [3d\]: Maybe J12 prepares for H16
WiteDragon [3k\]: all except vs ali
Saeki [-\]: he lost vs ali
Iniesta [2k\]: b' moyo doesnt look that impessive anymoe
Breslauer [1k\]: h16? not j17 ?
Warfreak2 [-\]: faaaan huiiiii
Thumb [3d\]: sente exchanges in the North then O9 seems enugh
EGC2015a [-\]: Yes, Ilja lost just to Ali.
]
;B[jg]C[Muttley [3k\]: He didn't really lose, so much as came second
]
;W[jj]C[rsg [5k\]: Did the game get to counting?
Iniesta [2k\]: it would be interesting to find percentage of wins as black in pro games
]
;B[ik]C[Muttley [3k\]: yeah, he resigned at counting effectively
Muttley [3k\]: everything was played out
NightShift [6d\]: those stats exist somewhere
YZ1509 [4d\]: white could end up with 5 groups of each 5 points
rsg [5k\]: I see
EGC2015a [-\]: Another player lost just to Ali -- Artem and after it he was not in semi
wade [5d\]: ali the undfeated killer
Iniesta [2k\]: i read low chinese fuseki was the more successfull in pro games
Muttley [3k\]: b would be happy if he could reduce the top left and top right to 5 points each
Muttley [3k\]: good luck with that
YZ1509 [4d\]: yeah he beated joe frasier too
EGC2015a [-\]: Sorry, my mistake, Artem lost to Palko.
noob1d [5d?\]: that's actually high chinese opening
Muttley [3k\]: how about r8 it activate the sleeper 6th group now
pastlink [?\]: http://egc2015.cz/results/mainwall
noob1d [5d?\]: w doesn't want l13 push from behind, but might have to
NightShift [6d\]: what is there other than l13?
noob1d [5d?\]: maybe he is considering o9 
testgo1 [3k\]: w must defend g8
YZ1509 [4d\]: no
Chilltime [1k?\]: this game looks pretty well for b
Chilltime [1k?\]: :P
noob1d [5d?\]: w ca get d7 + c8 eye 
noob1d [5d?\]: can
noob1d [5d?\]: so he is safe i think
YZ1509 [4d\]: d8 or f8 will be 2nd eye
Usurper [3d\]: g8 group is alive with miai for the second eye
noob1d [5d?\]: i would l13 
noob1d [5d?\]: that's why i'm not 1p
testgo1 [3k\]: d7 c8 nice move thx
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;W[jk]C[Breslauer [1k\]: l13 
dgom69 [?\]: What about b j2?
NightShift [6d\]: j2 j3 h2 g2 g1 h1 
Breslauer [1k\]: j2 j3 h2 g2 g1 h1 
Warfreak2 [-\]: werp werp
Warfreak2 [-\]: fan hui will win - he knows tesuji
dgom69 [?\]: Yep right thx
NightShift [6d\]: this move seems bold
TurtleDove [5k\]: W looks better than an hour ago
Breslauer [1k\]: enclose it and white will be have 5 groups!
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;B[il]C[noob1d [5d?\]: can 1 stone be considered a group?
IraTrask [1k\]: L13
YZ1509 [4d\]: topside isn't 1 group for  white
micha123: w must degend around G8
]
;W[nk]C[micha123: defend
Breslauer [1k\]: this way white has 22 groups now ;p
pastlink [?\]: w playing with fire
aiken23 [5k\]: L13 is too goteish
NightShift [6d\]: i guess ali counted more than any of us
dxxd [3k?\]: l13 is the kind of move you don't want to play
apina [1d\]: micha, d7 lives, no need to defend
noob1d [5d?\]: l13 w might die
fujiyama [8k\]: white finally make his house in this moyo :)
noob1d [5d?\]: aka death group inside moyo
noob1d [5d?\]: dead
YZ1509 [4d\]: it isn't a house, just a shed
pastlink [?\]: this is not totaly his house
]
;B[kg]C[noob1d [5d?\]: good, now go for the kil
noob1d [5d?\]: kill
fujiyama [8k\]: hes Fan's hotel has seen yestarday are no longer habitable ^^
IraTrask [1k\]: his greed will be his undoing
]
;W[pk]C[pastlink [?\]: can be a big b house yes
noob1d [5d?\]: this game could end soon
Iniesta [2k\]: this slam was a war declaration
Pempu [3d?\]: Whoo are playing and what are the colours¿ Android client asking for the 3635th time
jozles [-\]: fan like having guest in his fridge :)
Tonight [3k?\]: Fan b ali w
micha123: ali white fan black
WiteDragon [3k\]: all people on android: click on the top bar for more info on the game
NightShift [6d\]: black and white are the colours
vaansama [2d?\]: in android you can see names 
TurtleDove [5k\]: W Ali B Fan
Fabbo [6k?\]: m10 probe?
fujiyama [8k\]: yes good guest who pay lot of money 
vaansama [2d?\]: ...
WiteDragon [3k\]: you CAN see who is white and who is black
Weishenme [4d\]: what else if not p9 now ?
IraTrask [1k\]: Its Hikaru No Go vs Touya
Iniesta [2k\]: hard for fan now
Usurper [3d\]: b m11 looks pretty severe 
cartoon [6k\]: ali is green and fan is red
Pempu [3d?\]: I just found that. It's not visible in my screen though. Need to look for it in the menus
vaansama [2d?\]: yoiu can see names and color, when you open the game and go back to the option to see the name of this demo
Fabbo [6k?\]: I meant N10
Pempu [3d?\]: Thanks all
Usurper [3d\]: or bn10 
aiken23 [5k\]: Top bar doesn't show full names even in submenu. And I have a 6 inch screen.
Jaguire [4k\]: go ali!
Breslauer [1k\]: p9 helps white i think
fujiyama [8k\]: fan N13 to enclose?
cartoon [6k\]: wipe to right
whitespark [2k\]: Not top bar, left bar
]
;B[ok]C[pastlink [?\]: n13 too slow
Breslauer [1k\]: p10 ?
]
;W[ol]C[fujiyama [8k\]: ahha do not cut a tobi ^^
pastlink [?\]: p9  cut
]
;B[oj]C[noob1d [5d?\]: w DEAD
whitespark [2k\]: What do now?
NightShift [6d\]: need to live here before byo, else it'll die
Weishenme [4d\]: o8
pastlink [?\]: maybe sacrifice
noob1d [5d?\]: red alert, alarm
Iniesta [2k\]: there is a lot a space here
IraTrask [1k\]: should have L13 when I said...
fujiyama [8k\]: bad shapes after
micha123: N8
fujiyama [8k\]: O10 W necessary?
noob1d [5d?\]: r8 
Iniesta [2k\]: you could build a big comfy house
wade [5d\]: with r8 i c a ko
GoTabla [2k\]: switch plans and try r 8 for a life?
GoTabla [2k\]: ah yes wade - mauybe possible?
pastlink [?\]: n8 
noob1d [5d?\]: r8 , after cut w starts s11 and can live i think
pastlink [?\]: live is not enought i think
Jaguire [4k\]: i can't stand how every one of fan's games look
noob1d [5d?\]: living inside b's moyo would be a miracle
justhinkin [1k\]: o8 all dead?
pastlink [?\]: b takes sente and reduce top should be enought for b
fujiyama [8k\]: O10 best move because black bad form
Breslauer [1k\]: o10 or n13 
pastlink [?\]: a13 is a problem for w later
Mneme [3k\]: o10 o8 ?
]
;W[mn]C[noob1d [5d?\]: meh
pastlink [?\]: unexpected
Breslauer [1k\]: hamete time ;p
Weishenme [4d\]: m7 ?
WiteDragon [3k\]: review started!
Fabbo [6k?\]: where is the review
WiteDragon [3k\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQIEn3oudsA
fujiyama [8k\]: ok thanks
Fabbo [6k?\]: can't watch the stream..german GEma.. =(
micha123: N9
Mneme [3k\]: who is reviewing ?
WiteDragon [3k\]: same 2p as every day, forgot is name
NightShift [6d\]: cong li?
WiteDragon [3k\]: yeah
arcades [2k\]: Li Cong 3p
]
;B[nl]C[Mneme [3k\]: thanks
WiteDragon [3k\]: oh 3p, yesterday they said 2p, was wrong after all then
UlasBelh [3k\]: P7
Weishenme [4d\]: n5 n4 o4  what plays b now ??
]
;W[ml]
;B[nm]
;W[nn]C[suibaku [1d\]: milan was offering a game, and there was no one to accept it -.-
justhinkin [1k\]: n6 was nice
WiteDragon [3k\]: milan should come comment here!
suibaku [1d\]: the wild MilanMilan ran away!
Laman [2k?\]: there is now commentary on, at the stream: egc2015.cz/stream
]
;B[om]C[Jaguire [4k\]: 25 pts for b
gogonuts [4d\]: nice review
dgom69 [?\]: Can you please tell us what is the time left?
WiteDragon [3k\]: lol opening so common the reviewer actually played this before
]
;W[mm]
;B[np]C[NightShift [6d\]: looks like w died
]
;W[on]
;B[pm]C[theolddan [2d\]: even if he survives he will loose
EGC2015a [-\]: time left b 0:40, w 0:08
]
;W[op]
;B[oo]
;W[pn]
;B[qn]
;W[oq]C[Muttley [3k\]: resign sequence
]
;B[po]C[WiteDragon [3k\]: was just gonna ask that
theolddan [2d\]: yes
aiken23 [5k\]: Resign
theolddan [2d\]: w wanted to see q5
theolddan [2d\]: now he saw it
apina [1d\]: w thought, b would save those two stones?
NightShift [6d\]: nah
Muttley [3k\]: there is ko aji in the centre
NightShift [6d\]: i think he just cant find a way but doesnt want to give up
theolddan [2d\]: sounds a bit vague does it?
Welvang [6d\]: If w survives he may win for sure
NightShift [6d\]: is there a chance?
Muttley [3k\]: L12
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;W[mg]C[Muttley [3k\]: ugly but refute it
Warfreak2 [-\]: w aims at q8 and a squeeze of some sort?
Muttley [3k\]: considering how few liberties w has, seems unreasonable
theolddan [2d\]: no matter how: w will have to make 2eyes around m10 
Jaguire [4k\]: might sound crazy but i think he aims at cutting one of the groups on top
phx [7k?\]: m10 now
theolddan [2d\]: for this he needs to make sure b m11 will never happen
Muttley [3k\]: w can discard the 4 stones to get out
Muttley [3k\]: he doesn't have enough liberties and b is alive even if cut
theolddan [2d\]: but i dont see a way to prevent b from jumping in his eye from bottom or top
Muttley [3k\]: he wants M14 if b hane
Muttley [3k\]: though trying to live with an empty triangle then L12 takes a bit of reading too
NightShift [6d\]: i guess b is hoping for o10 in sente against right side
NightShift [6d\]: but i am not sure he can get it
]
;B[nf]C[theolddan [2d\]: another question: if b pulls out q16 will it be enough?
theolddan [2d\]: w got big r2 endgame now
theolddan [2d\]: so i doubt
EGC2015a [-\]: w 5m left
eweee: how lisy-surma game ended?
ketron12 [3k\]: Lisy won
Invite28: is it canadian byo-yomi ?
Marvin [1k\]: No, Czech
WiteDragon [3k\]: pa-dum bum pshhh
]
;W[mf]C[vaansama [2d?\]: and black egc?
Invite28: oh, rules say 1 minute byo-yomi 
Marvin [1k\]: this could take a long time
vaansama [2d?\]: ah around 40
theolddan [2d\]: i am sure if w wins this they will review  later o14 at n14
AA [7k\]: this is half final right ?
WiteDragon [3k\]: no final
Reym [-\]: final final
]
;B[ne]
;W[me]C[AA [7k\]: oh isee
Reym [-\]: q3 sente for b?
Marvin [1k\]: o14 is a pro move
GoRoGoRo [11k?\]: Final FanAli
Marvin [1k\]: or was
Invite28: of european go champioship
theolddan [2d\]: no q3 gote
]
;B[md]C[theolddan [2d\]: b just decided rescuing q16 enough
Marvin [1k\]: yes, manhood move
theolddan [2d\]: but n16 looks like overplay
certes [2k\]: Review has already began
theolddan [2d\]: o17 as response
certes [2k\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQIEn3oudsA
Marvin [1k\]: n16 is a real move.
Michi86 [7k\]: Seems like nice move to aim for top
EGC2015a [-\]: w in byoomi
]
;W[ld]
;B[mc]C[Reym [-\]: it's all about aiming for the top indeed
]
;W[lc]C[TytanPracy [2d?\]: o17
bleen [1d\]: w spend 4 moves to secure q16 area but now?
WiteDragon [3k\]: funny how a game can turn :-)
Lice [4d\]: b can o17 and sac the 3 stones and take the whole corner..
bleen [1d\]: i guess this is not what w wanted
daniug [2d\]: this turned out to be not that bad for w
Marvin [1k\]: P16
Lice [4d\]: oh but then r2 hmm
daniug [2d\]: r2 behind for b but also w upper right corner distroyed
Weishenme [4d\]: o19
apina [1d\]: not only destroyed
]
;B[nc]C[testgo1 [3k\]: r16 next move ?
apina [1d\]: w have problems to live there
pastlink [?\]: the game will end soon
fujiyama [8k\]: no problem white give up his stone and r16 move
EGC2015a [-\]: one period of byoomi lost by w
]
;W[if]C[Invite28: 3 periods ?
]
;B[ig]
;W[od]
;B[pc]C[fujiyama [8k\]: C17 possible black san san invasion?
WiteDragon [3k\]: 2 left
Breslauer [1k\]: yes its possible
]
;W[oc]C[WiteDragon [3k\]: because a13 sente
]
;B[ob]
;W[oe]
;B[qb]
;W[lb]
;B[nb]C[Breslauer [1k\]: its over
pastlink [?\]: what is w doing ?
vaansama [2d?\]: all in
Fabbo [6k?\]:  but why
WangFei [3d\]: s17 ?
Breslauer [1k\]: s12 
uolhdf: who is leading ?
kotor [7k\]: whish eat black
vaansama [2d?\]: if fan plays that fast... here
fujiyama [8k\]: s16
Marvin [1k\]: fast play = pressure on opponent
EGC2015a [-\]: last period of byoomi for w
Pettyx2 [3k\]: is white trying a semeai with o 12?
vaansama [2d?\]: not this way
Lice [4d\]: s17 only choise?
vaansama [2d?\]: he read it all
vaansama [2d?\]: before
bitzi [-\]: B+
kotor [7k\]: fast play=oops its seki
WiteDragon [3k\]: o12 is connected
Fabbo [6k?\]: s12 now?
EGC2015a [-\]: b+r
Fabbo [6k?\]: what?
bitzi [-\]: told you
tuquedenne [4d\]: grats fan
Marvin [1k\]: yay!!!
vaansama [2d?\]: GG fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pettyx2 [3k\]: yeah but everything has liberty issues there
WiteDragon [3k\]: oh
Lice [4d\]: noooooooooo
vaansama [2d?\]: Bravo fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Song17 [4d?\]: :(
gofrit [1k\]: yipieee
vaurien [2k?\]: °(^_^)°
Invite28: thanks egc2015a
fujiyama [8k\]: good gan
vaansama [2d?\]: 3 In a raw!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
vaurien [2k?\]: Thx EGC2015a ;)
fujiyama [8k\]: good fan
ofbusy [-\]: thx egc 
plester [10k?\]: Bravo fan !!!!!
vaurien [2k?\]: "jamais 2 sans 3"
vaansama [2d?\]: 3 times european champion!!!
fujiyama [8k\]: fan win the tournament?
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