(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[3x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Championship 2015 - Semifinals, Ali Jabarin (w) vs. (b) Ilya Shikshin (b)]PW[Ali Jabarin]PB[Ilya Shikshin]WR[1p]BR[1p]DT[2015-08-01]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[snowy [1k\]: there is egc gamu? o_O
Muttley [3k\]: semifinal I think
Muttley [3k\]: Ilya Shikshin vs. Ali Jabarin
EGC2015a [-\]: hi
EGC2015a [-\]: yes its semifinal but we waitingfor players
Muttley [3k\]: hi EGC, ready to start soon?
EGC2015a [-\]: is nigiri
Muttley [3k\]: ah thank you
EGC2015a [-\]: round star
EGC2015a [-\]: round start officialy at 9:30
snowy [1k\]: O_O
Muttley [3k\]: I'll announce now so people can join
EGC2015a [-\]: only fan hui is in the room
snowy [1k\]: huwa!!
snowy [1k\]: tomorrow too? i will miss it T.T
EGC2015a [-\]: and now Ilja here
EGC2015a [-\]: yes tomorrow is final at 9:30
Muttley [3k\]: what is the time there now?
Muttley [3k\]: presumably 9.20
EGC2015a [-\]: yes
EGC2015a [-\]: 9:20
Muttley [3k\]: Thank you :)
snowy [1k\]: final! wah... can i cancel my plan.... lol
Mikko88888: EGC, are you going to insert the nigiri stones on the board? :P
LycheeDole [10k\]: Lol
EGC2015a [-\]: heh, to much wark 
EGC2015a [-\]: *work
EGC2015a [-\]: and players is faster
Mikko88888: just insert some to make us happy :D not the real count :P
Lice [4d\]: can someone explain to me how come the playoff started so soon and not with the top 8 europeans in the main tournament?
snowy [1k\]: lol
snowy [1k\]: use edit tool to put down b/w stones
Mikko88888: yes :D
Mikko88888: egc, if you do, you are the coolest scriber ever :-)
LycheeDole [10k\]: Just imagine them instead guys
Minjhou [5k?\]: so far, perfect moves
wade [5d\]: i guess they want the second week to be like an "open tournament where any1 can play each other
snowy [1k\]: it's gonna be funneh....
Lice [4d\]: ye but if this tournament determains the european championship it makes no sense that a guy with two loses got to enter while a guy with no loses didn't..
snowy [1k\]: in the schedule, what games are in round 6-10 ?
Mikko88888: main tournament rounds 6-10
darkronin [2k?\]: Who is the guy with no losses who didn't?
snowy [1k\]: what is main tournament ?
Mikko88888: it's the main tournament of the european go congress. Everybody who is there can attend it. no need to be european.
LycheeDole [10k\]: A go player with no losses? Sounds strong
POB: lol
POB: you're funny
snowy [1k\]: oh will they scribe those too?
Mikko88888: they don't want to give the european championship to asian players, so they have the championship tournament during the weekend :P
darkronin [2k?\]: Guys let's focus on the game
Minjhou [5k?\]: what do you think about last move darkronin?
Mikko88888: yes. they will scribe the main tournament games too :-)
snowy [1k\]: white is ahead
gucunpyo [4k\]: ali jabarin's rank?
POB: 1p
Minjhou [5k?\]: 6.5 ahead, if my count is right
darkronin [2k?\]: Btw, you guys who can see the players colors, who is white?
Mikko88888: darkronin, there will be nigiri
Mikko88888: egc will lay the nigiri stones on the board soon :P
LycheeDole [10k\]: White privilege 6.5
Minjhou [5k?\]: I'm bad at nigiri, how can I improve?
darkronin [2k?\]: Aww >.<
IraTrask [3k\]: what is nigiri?
TurtleDove [5k\]: Ali played so well yesterday. I wonder if he can handle Ilya
ofbusy [-\]: komi is 7.5 says "rules"
Lice [4d\]: lukas kremer had no loses
Cool [1k\]: have video?
Minjhou [5k?\]: that's why I'm not a dan, but a mere kyu
Lice [4d\]: breakfast had two loses
Minjhou [5k?\]: I can't even count this board :P
Syxok [2d\]: lukas wasnt in the super group(top 24 euros)
darkronin [2k?\]: It's when the players guess the number of stones to decide who takes black or white
Lice [4d\]: he started with the same points as everyone in there didn't he?
Lice [4d\]: yep, he did
Syxok [2d\]: if you check his games you will notice he played mainly outsiders
Syxok [2d\]: while the super group played only each other
Lice [4d\]: you can check them and see that he didn't
Syxok [2d\]: four outa five games were against asians
Syxok [2d\]: and the last game was against non super group euro player
Lice [4d\]: what do you mean by outsiders?
Syxok [2d\]: chine/korea/japan/usa
gangsta: only tow games today ?
gangsta: two*
Mikko88888: only the semifinal games
yaneth [6k\]: that are two torunaments. it's the main tournament of the egc and the european championship with only 24 contestants who can enter the main tournament after they don't play the european championship anymore. lukas "just" plays the main tournament.
Lice [4d\]: so these 24 players had different pairings? only against themselves?
snowy [1k\]: they nigiri so long...........
POB: lukas was not in the top players tournament, he was in the main tournament and until this round had no losses
Syxok [2d\]: yea lice
yaneth [6k\]: he lost yesterday unfortunately
Mikko88888: snowy, probably takes forever to count the stones
Lice [4d\]: ok, thx
Syxok [2d\]: you might want to read this http://egc2015.cz/rules/championship
Lice [4d\]: that explains things i guess, but a bit silly
POB: not silly, the top players are chosen from their EGF rank
POB: ELO
Minjhou [5k?\]: ELO?
Syxok [2d\]: well we dont want someone to drop out of playoffs since he played korean 8d
chansiukit [1k\]: when will the game start?
Mikko88888: I think the format for european championship is good enough. cannot really complain :-)
snowy [1k\]:  because in main tournament there are non european players......
yaneth [6k\]: not ELO, but GoR ;)
kmr [1d\]: EGF rating dont put stones on board
TurtleDove [5k\]: different to last year but seems to be workinh ok
Minjhou [5k?\]: GoR?
POB: GoR, yes, sorry
LycheeDole [10k\]: Good band, ELO
POB: http://europeangodatabase.eu/
Laman [2k\]: impatient spectators can watch http://egc2015.cz/stream
LycheeDole [10k\]: Thanks laman
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;B[pd]C[Minjhou [5k?\]: nice move!
POB: scribe, who is black?
snowy [1k\]: wh0 what when where ?
snowy [1k\]: how ?
Mikko88888: ilya black
Annie [-\]: Muttley who should I watch D:
TurtleDove [5k\]: Ilya only one at the board so I guess he played
Annie [-\]: IIya isnt pro yet?
POB: illya is pro
darkronin [2k?\]: Yes he is
Minjhou [5k?\]: yes, he's
Muttley [3k\]: I'd say this one
snowy [1k\]: b r4 next !
EGC2015a [-\]: Ali still missing
Muttley [3k\]: Ilya and Ali will fight
Muttley [3k\]: once Ali gets out of bed
Reym [-\]: where are egc2015c and d?
Minjhou [5k?\]: is this a pro-promoter tournament? will Iiya be 2P if he wins?
kmr [1d\]: i doubt
snowy [1k\]: it's egc right ?
Muttley [3k\]: These are semi-finals, so two games- don't know if play offs start later or are being relayed
EGC2015a [-\]: egc c and d will transmiting weekend tournament
LycheeDole [10k\]: I hope not
EGC2015a [-\]: and 1 round is planning at 10:00
snowy [1k\]: but this will add on to egf rating or something ?
Muttley [3k\]: there you go, to come
Reym [-\]: ah cool, thanks
Annie [-\]: It would take alot of games to be promoted to 2p no?
IraTrask [3k\]: no
Muttley [3k\]: Is Ali staying in the hotel?
Muttley [3k\]: someone needs to bang on his door
Minjhou [5k?\]: I'm going to play 0ad, play0ad.com
flobby [-\]: only 2 games today?
Jermelle [-\]: That'd be funny if he was still asleep.
POB: only 4 players left :)
snowy [1k\]: egc...is this format the same as egc last year ?
Jermelle [-\]: "I feel like I'm forgetting something important"
POB: so 2 games
EGC2015a [-\]: other 2 games start later
Annie [-\]: Maybe he got stuck in the restroom
Muttley [3k\]: Its not impossible, I think he got a start time wrong in another relay I saw a while ago
LycheeDole [10k\]: Oh no...
IraTrask [3k\]: is this phsycological warfare?
Annie [-\]: Probably
snowy [1k\]: lol forgotten
Muttley [3k\]: Yeah, boring Ilya 
Muttley [3k\]: *arrives ... * plays r17
Annie [-\]: "Ill give him more time than me so its even.."
LycheeDole [10k\]: He'll be notified by someone right if that's the case
snowy [1k\]: so they have to wait...not run the clock on a specific time ?
Muttley [3k\]: his clock should be ticking
EGC2015a [-\]: yes clock is ticking
snowy [1k\]: how did he become white 
Muttley [3k\]: nigiri
LycheeDole [10k\]: Good point snowy
Hashirama [1k\]: same way michael jackson became white
Annie [-\]: just wanted you to know q16 winning move
Muttley [3k\]: they did the nigiri with Ilys present I guess
snowy [1k\]: lol
EGC2015a [-\]: referee
snowy [1k\]: oh
EGC2015a [-\]: did nigiri
Annie [-\]: how does that work D:<
Tonight [3k?\]: So ali is missing?
EGC2015a [-\]: yes
LycheeDole [10k\]: Mj way would be changing colors in midgame
darkronin [2k?\]: If i were ali I'd protest, he can nigiri much better
snowy [1k\]: no one asking ransom yet?
EGC2015a [-\]: Ali is here
IraTrask [3k\]: Nigiri = making sushi?
Muttley [3k\]: referee says "How many stones?"
Muttley [3k\]: deciding who takes white or black - nigiri
POB: thank god the egf paid the ransom
snowy [1k\]: GG
snowy [1k\]: b++++++++++++++++++++++
Muttley [3k\]: Thank you EGC, enjoy the relay
Annie [-\]: thank you 
EGC2015a [-\]: you too
gucunpyo [4k\]: ali came
EGC2015a [-\]: i got lot of redbuls to stay alert :-P
Muttley [3k\]: hehe
sophtpaw [3k\]: what is happening here?
Muttley [3k\]: stick at two :)
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;W[dd]C[snowy [1k\]: i need to get kgs mobile for tomorrow! >.>
Annie [-\]: let us know when you hear the loud clacking
LycheeDole [10k\]: Be careul with the red bulls :p
EGC2015a [-\]: y
Muttley [3k\]: ok, we're off
snowy [1k\]: they shud have iphone app
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;B[qp]C[obiwan [2k\]: d3
obiwan [2k\]: best by test
sophtpaw [3k\]: who is playing?
snowy [1k\]: am getting coffee and snack : )
Muttley [3k\]: white: Ali Jabarin
sophtpaw [3k\]: just had breakfast
Muttley [3k\]: black: Ilya Shikshin
sophtpaw [3k\]: who is ali? ilya is roln, yes?
snowy [1k\]: ali lost to who so far ?
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;B[fq]C[Jermelle [-\]: ali hasn't played on kgs in a while I think
Muttley [3k\]: Ali played as OohAah, and is now Activ, I think
snowy [1k\]: i think ali is 'oohaah' something
sophtpaw [3k\]: jabarin makes me think of basketball player
EGC2015a [-\]: http://egc2015.cz/results/mainwall
snowy [1k\]: or boxer
EGC2015a [-\]: http://egc2015.cz/results/main/playoffs
Lice [4d\]: ali does play here :P
gucunpyo [4k\]: shikshin loves small chinese opening
obiwan [2k\]: w should pincer to avoid chinese variations
EGC2015a [-\]: stream: http://egc2015.cz/results/main/playoffs
sophtpaw [3k\]: what is the purse they're playing for?
Annie [-\]: I demand to see your redbull!
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;W[cn]C[snowy [1k\]: http://egc2015.cz/stream
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;B[lq]C[gucunpyo [4k\]: is the main time 150 min?
sophtpaw [3k\]: *purse-money
snowy [1k\]: youtube also have kgs board!!!
Mikko88888: this opening is so much easier for black, no wonder he plays so fast
sophtpaw [3k\]: winner takes home £1.5 million?
Mikko88888: easier is not the same as better though
Annie [-\]: Shikshin looks seriously bored
EGC2015a [-\]: yes kgs have kgs board, shows time on clock, and shows players
darkronin [2k?\]: I'm happy it's micro
snowy [1k\]: he waited after all.... x.x
EGC2015a [-\]: *youtube
snowy [1k\]: good : ) thx
obiwan [2k\]: r14 only move
Mikko88888: r14 kyu move
gucunpyo [4k\]: ali is handsome
TurtleDove [5k\]: m3 seems strange
IraTrask [3k\]: R10
snowy [1k\]: ali? i prefer ilya : )
Annie [-\]: @EGC when relaying is it prefered to use a players side or are you required to?
TheThe [4k\]: w+res
obiwan [2k\]: m3 completes a fuseki with a name, it couldnt be less strange
TheThe [4k\]: sorry, bres
flos [1k\]: So what is the next move ?
TheThe [4k\]: sorry, b+res
VPP79 [2k\]: Ага. что-то белый как-то завис
TheThe [4k\]: (not used to Ilya as black)
EGC2015a [-\]: i relaying from Ilja position
flobby [-\]: ilya and fan in the final i guess
Lice [4d\]: lol flobby you nab
Annie [-\]: o17 or r10 next
snowy [1k\]: ilya vs fan!! dam o/
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;W[qf]C[snowy [1k\]: egc.... i hope youtube setup is like this for the finals tomorrow ^ ^ if i dont get kgs
obiwan [2k\]: looks like r14 not a kyu move afterall
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;B[qi]C[Lice [4d\]: who ever said it's a kyu move?
TurtleDove [5k\]: kyu sometimes make good moves :P
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;B[pf]
;W[pg]
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;W[qd]C[Tonight [3k?\]: R14 isnt kyu move
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;W[qe]
;B[pc]
;W[og]C[Lice [4d\]: ali wants to keep the fuseki complicated
lamer [3d?\]: joseki
Annie [-\]: r14 was chosen?
TheThe [4k\]: ilya will blitz that
Annie [-\]: close enough
snowy [1k\]: ilya need some redbull
Cool [1k\]: Илья ночью обыгрывал всех ботов))
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;B[mf]C[TheThe [4k\]: indeed
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;W[pe]C[IraTrask [3k\]: yay!!!
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;B[oe]C[darkronin [2k?\]: Noo
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;W[qh]
;B[pi]
;W[od]C[TheThe [4k\]: wow
Hashirama [1k\]: :O
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;B[md]C[VPP79 [2k\]: интересное начало
IraTrask [3k\]: this is gangsta go
darkronin [2k?\]: I would be like, "omg omg omg" at this point
obiwan [2k\]: they play so fast for such long time settings
snowy [1k\]: for who ? lol
darkronin [2k?\]: Table shape wins
snowy [1k\]: ilya left~~~~~~~~~
powerchord [8k\]: @obiwan: i think its all prepared for game, maybe
powerchord [8k\]: so they can play fast
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;W[ob]C[Mikko88888: what is this. omg lol
kmr [1d\]: this corner looks huge
darkronin [2k?\]: Q18
Annie [-\]: corner isnt dead yet though
Weishenme [4d\]: n17 
Mikko88888: ilya went to check the joseki in toilet?
Hashirama [1k\]: How do you know Annie?!
EGC2015a [-\]: both playersleft so i will go too :-P 
Xylol [4k\]: Lice, why should he do that?
Annie [-\]: about a 24p corner
darkronin [2k?\]: Cmon at least 1£ :-)
powerchord [8k\]: maybe the players need a strong cup of coffe :-)
Mikko88888: whose corner is that? black or whites? :P
TheThe [4k\]: ilya doesn't do joseki which is blanced, he kills 
VPP79 [2k\]: вообще все ушли ))
LycheeDole [10k\]: People looking at the board as if in a museum
powerchord [8k\]: lol
TurtleDove [5k\]: there has been some creative table-arranging overnight
EGC2015a [-\]: ilja is back
Mikko88888: yey
GoMaster [2d\]: from checking the joseki at the toilett ? :P 
snowy [1k\]: lol
chansiukit [1k\]: will black abandon the corner?
Mikko88888: you would be surprised if you knew what ppl write in toilet walls
LycheeDole [10k\]: Ilya was here
powerchord [8k\]: thanks for this relay EGC2015a, great to follow this event here
letoII [5k\]: s18 maybe ?
snowy [1k\]: i'm in asia but i luv egc lol
EGC2015a [-\]: np
Mikko88888: Q18 the only move :P
Idoc [2d\]: q18 n18 s18 r19
EGC2015a [-\]: its good feeling to relay game over the globe :-D
letoII [5k\]: but q18 s17 and ?
ubique [3d\]: Anyone know what happened to Taranu and Pop? Couldn't help noticing neither one played round 5 in the main tournament after not making it to the finals.
Mikko88888: q18 s17 s18 
snowy [1k\]: this is crazy start T.T
letoII [5k\]: can't see who wins the race :)
EGC2015a [-\]: they both drop from the main tournament
CBlue [?\]: well thanks for relaying it upstairs at least, so i can stay in bed to watch it ~~
EGC2015a [-\]: because they didnt staying in next week,so they didint want play 5 round
Muttley [3k\]: lol Cblue :)
Idoc [2d\]: i think b already dead in corner
NightShift [6d\]: shame, catalin is fun to watch
Xylol [4k\]: EGC, could you move the flaggs the next time both leave the table
Xylol [4k\]: a bit more to the edge to see the board better
fyn [4k\]: q18 s17 s18 s16 t18 looks alive
ubique [3d\]: Oh, that's unfortunate.
EGC2015a [-\]: ok
Xylol [4k\]: thank you alot
Kryptos: what is the webaddress of the stream?
phx [7k?\]: thnx really ^^
Laman [2k\]: egc2015.cz/stream
darkronin [2k?\]: Lol the clock inset in the stream's lower right adds so much tension, like a bomb to go off XD
EGC2015a [-\]: and EGC2015c is weekend also
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;B[pb]C[Idoc [2d\]: n18
Xylol [4k\]: NightShift, why so?
darkronin [2k?\]: :D 
darkronin [2k?\]: I guessed!!!1
IraTrask [3k\]: O16
snowy [1k\]: egc can u put a picture frame of their inspiration on the table...
xerox27 [3k\]: o16
kostuek [?\]: this looks doubtful for w 
POB: o16 
Lice [4d\]: this looks like a joseki played by pros a few times already
EGC2015a [-\]: Ali is hard counting in head, looking at the corner
kostuek [?\]: yeah, better know this joseki
LycheeDole [10k\]: Ilya is almost moving as if in a real fight xD
snowy [1k\]: crazy ^ ^
weiland [1d?\]: How about m17?
darkered: lol, somebody already posted it on josekipedia
EGC2015a [-\]: lol
wefawfsadf: what is the main prize for winning European Championship?
TurtleDove [5k\]: glory
kmr [1d\]: 100 honour points
kostuek [?\]: 1000 cat videos on youtube
snowy [1k\]: kgs luv
EGC2015a [-\]: dont know how much money they got
Lice [4d\]: looks like in the only pro game with o17, b answered with n17 rather with q18
Lice [4d\]: sry, the only pro game with p18*
Lice [4d\]: so white might be able to punish this
CBlue [?\]: mh, if w wants to avoid b enclosing the right side group, he needs to play n18..?
Lice [4d\]: n18? O.O
Idoc [2d\]: thats what i thought yes
darkronin [2k?\]: N18 for three in a row!
Naphthalin [6k?\]: how often does it happens that the play in the corner is not joseki in these kind of games?
Idoc [2d\]: can someone say why n18 is not good here?
Naphthalin [6k?\]: did ilya think of an unique sequence?
Lice [4d\]: i doubt
wefawfsadf: Naphthalin: quite often
uolhdf: o16 ?
Mikko88888: lice, what is the pro game?
Lice [4d\]: two korean girls from 2012
Hashirama [1k\]: oh i know that game!
CBlue [?\]: ah not a game from baduktv's famous series "senior vs girl"..
Naphthalin [6k?\]: that sounds like a completely different video to be hones
Naphthalin [6k?\]: t
Idoc [2d\]: lol
wefawfsadf: Jabarin looks like he's just dreaming
snowy [1k\]: went to the kitchen and back and still no movie
snowy [1k\]: move*
manofearth [?\]: freudian typo
Naphthalin [6k?\]: p17 doesn't work?
riskybabe [4k\]: if 150 min. he has still plenty of time
Xylol [4k\]: so whats about joseki databases on the phone, is ist already an issue in the go world?
riskybabe [4k\]: one more coffee ali
Naphthalin [6k?\]: at least in the main tournament of EGC there was no mention of eletronic devices
wefawfsadf: having a joseki database in your phone will help you at kyu level mostly
Xylol [4k\]: wefawsdfsdf you got the point
wefawfsadf: in top level there's not really much use of a database
TurtleDove [5k\]: if Ali doesn't see a way to kill r17, he might tenuki
Naphthalin [6k?\]: and quite many people used them to record games
snowy [1k\]: i read a chess player who cheated with that on his phone
Xylol [4k\]: i think some 9p in the restroom could be a good help too
Mikko88888: wefa, don't be silly. of course databases are useful
Adin [1k\]: a joseki database would help at any level
wefawfsadf: I'm not saying they are not useful
IraTrask [3k\]: Learn joseki and get 2 stones weaker.
wefawfsadf: I'm saying that it's much more helpful to amateur players
Mikko88888: "wefawfsadf: in top level there's not really much use of a database"
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;W[rc]C[Xylol [4k\]: pop is now starting to play
Xylol [4k\]: he is late :D
Naphthalin [6k?\]: oha
TheThe [4k\]: here we go
TheThe [4k\]: gonna be short game this
Mikko88888: S18
darkronin [2k?\]: Omg
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;B[rb]C[Xylol [4k\]: well is it more than 30min?
snowy [1k\]: ko?
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;W[rd]C[Naphthalin [6k?\]: does lukas krämer participate in the weekend tournament?
Naphthalin [6k?\]: hm
EGC2015a [-\]: pairing of weekendtournament : http://egc2015.cz/results/weekend
snowy [1k\]: ilya chit chatting with his future opponent
Naphthalin [6k?\]: can't b just p17 and o18 ?
Lice [4d\]: hmm i doubt this is the punishment
Mikko88888: define punishment :D
kolayn112 [1k\]: кто такой джаБАРИН?
Xylol [4k\]: iam so used to see roln with the whites :-P
Xylol [4k\]: kolayn112, he is pro
ogolony [-\]: r19 
weiqidevil [-\]: just o16 for black?
AhSayuni [5d\]: o16 p17 n17 q19 r18 n18 m18 o19 
weiqidevil [-\]: m18 should be o19
kostuek [?\]: korean girls read far
Lice [4d\]: ahsayuni - b would be happy the sacrafice the corner like that
slim76 [1k\]: q19
wade [5d\]: o16 p17 n17 q19 r18 n18 o19 w dies
Cool [1k\]: p19 
Lice [4d\]: ah wait mabye he won't be so happy
wolokom [5k\]: p17?
Lice [4d\]: anyway of b plays n17 now and w plays n18 its back to joseki
Mikko88888: R19
kostuek [?\]: everything but p17
obiwan [2k\]: looks like w is in trouble
Syxok [2d\]: wade o19 n19?
snowy [1k\]: ali left and cried in the bathroom
rsg [5k\]: Go Ali!
darkronin [2k?\]: Why didn't w play o16 when he could have?
wade [5d\]: syxok youre right
wolokom [5k\]: euro tv is closed is anny follow up?
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;B[nd]
;W[oc]
;B[mc]C[darkronin [2k?\]: There we go
]
;W[pa]C[Mikko88888: this doesn't work
]
;B[qb]
;W[mb]
;B[na]C[Mikko88888: N19
]
;W[ma]
;B[lb]
;W[sb]
;B[la]
;W[ra]C[weiqidevil [-\]: at least good outside for black
]
;B[nh]C[kostuek [?\]: nomnom
gogonuts [4d\]: fair imo
Mikko88888: w F17
Syxok [2d\]: r3 o11 m3 working so nice
Idoc [2d\]: really?
Xylol [4k\]: w sente so b wall really good?
Idoc [2d\]: seems to favor b
whatisgo [-\]: seems like a much better result for b
gogonuts [4d\]: well, the wall is good :-)
manofearth [?\]: by plenty
wolokom [5k\]: i think this is much more than w has
Mikko88888: so black's toilet visit paid off :-)
gogonuts [4d\]: lol, this results splits the kibitzes
PlaySlow [11k\]: Ilya could have made a ko right? For corner life? He didnt do it because he wanted the wall and there are no ko threats at the beginning of the game
CBlue [?\]: :D
wade [5d\]: 20 pts corner is big 
snowy [1k\]: T,T
CBlue [?\]: it seems still a game :-s
POB: this is a normal result
wade [5d\]: and w has a move now
Xylol [4k\]: i would like to play white, kyus like points.
snowy [1k\]: this is normal for ilya................... ! ! !
Lice [4d\]: good for black for sure
kostuek [?\]: those are like 20 points
Mikko88888: is it normal that ilya is winning`?
POB: look at pro game http://ps.waltheri.net/database.html#/game/62330?move=44
CBlue [?\]: anyway, w n5 or f17?
manofearth [?\]: w has ~30 pts
Mikko88888: POB, nice!
Syxok [2d\]: i think lower left is the hottest area
Syxok [2d\]: right*
gogonuts [4d\]: thx POB
gogonuts [4d\]: if that is fair, b is good here
gogonuts [4d\]: and w didnt find p5 yet :-)
wefawfsadf: huh, practically this exact game has been played at pro level before? :o
snowy [1k\]: youtube is always behind T.T
Xylol [4k\]: o13 
kostuek [?\]: it is the pro level
kostuek [?\]: kinda
wefawfsadf: so black wins by resignation, nice
tr3bl [3k\]: :D
wefawfsadf: :)
Annie [-\]: gote wall with holes
Beef [3d\]: looks really good
manofearth [?\]: hottest area meaning what?
Annie [-\]: never said it wasnte
TurtleDove [5k\]: ventilation :)
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;W[oo]C[kostuek [?\]: this influence is scary
gogonuts [4d\]: did he find it, or was he thinking all the time: should I play the same move? :-)
wolokom [5k\]: is anny follow up to euro tv to see the player?
AhSayuni [5d\]: the wall has some holes in it..
AhSayuni [5d\]: and w has more cash so far
MariusJ [1k\]: http://egc2015.cz/stream
GoRoGoRo [12k?\]: members of Yunguseng Dojan (Inseong Hwang) know p5 at kyu level already
Beef [3d\]: I doubt he learned that game gogonuts :)
gogonuts [4d\]: p5 is good but b a little ahead
manofearth [?\]: so what  matains instability of p5 best? 
manofearth [?\]: no way its light
gogonuts [4d\]: yeah, I shouldn't doubt :-)
Xylol [4k\]: q6 
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;B[po]C[GoRoGoRo [12k?\]: q6 is a bnit non-ilyish
GoRoGoRo [12k?\]: *bit
wefawfsadf: oh no, now they deviated from the pro game
wefawfsadf: such amateur
wolokom [5k\]: q 5 is standart?
Dupaaxe [?\]: :)))
snowy [1k\]: the moves played so far is a pro game ?
Beef [3d\]: they already skipped the o13 n13 exchange
Naphthalin [6k?\]: lol, thx for the link @whoever posted it
wefawfsadf: up until bQ5, this game is an exact copy (minus some exchanges at top right) of a pro korean women's game at http://ps.waltheri.net/database.html#/game/62330?move=44
POB: q3 for w
Syxok [2d\]: wow ilya is so restless
snowy [1k\]: 진짜?! right... interesting : )
Annie [-\]: ...
Annie [-\]: no
gogonuts [4d\]: ilya sharper than the other game :-)
herissondu [5d\]: wow, this is a weird one
Annie [-\]: strong move
Naphthalin [6k?\]: but since we're here on KGS
Naphthalin [6k?\]: b already won because he played a b2 in sente
gogonuts [4d\]: tries to  protect the right and avoid w p3 at the same time
Xylol [4k\]: Naphthalin it is ko
Jodo [2d\]: If you mean W Q3 B R3 W Q6, B will probably cut at P6
Xylol [4k\]: because we're here on KGS :-P
Naphthalin [6k?\]: that's the other rule
POB: q3 r3 p6 
Naphthalin [6k?\]: but, just state "ko" then
Xylol [4k\]: ko
kostuek [?\]: well, p6 still a move
Annie [-\]: is it
Naphthalin [6k?\]: yes
Naphthalin [6k?\]: you just gained 2 stones in kibitz
Naphthalin [6k?\]: you just gained 2 stones in kinitz
kostuek [?\]: yay
Xylol [4k\]: EGC nice cam setup
Xylol [4k\]: thanks for relaying the game
Naphthalin [6k?\]: p6 too slow now
Naphthalin [6k?\]: (damn, bad internet connection...)
Xylol [4k\]: p6 fine
Idoc [2d\]: Ali must have spent a third of his time already..
Iniesta [2k\]: upper right better for w or b is it happy with this big outside ?
Xylol [4k\]: w t 1h36m left
Xylol [4k\]: Iniesta it should be fair
Xylol [4k\]: similar game in pro game, so the difference should not be shocking big
Iniesta [2k\]: depends on the use of this wall
Mikko88888: not necessarily fair it it has once occured in a pro game
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;W[op]
;B[pq]C[Lice [4d\]: this is much better for b than in the pro game
Xylol [4k\]: Mikko itis just a indicator that it is not against all intuition of go
POB: w is in trouble
Xylol [4k\]: btw. is ilya married?
Xylol [4k\]: i saw a ring on his right hand
Mikko88888: xylol, true. not a catastrophe by any means but doens't mean it's even
PlaySlow [11k\]: P4 was very slow? Where would u play instead of P4 if u were White?
Xylol [4k\]: Mikko88888m, youre right
IraTrask [2k\]: looks like w fell in a trap
Iniesta [2k\]: m5 and run free
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;W[om]C[Xylol [4k\]: i will be happy to play p6 then
Xylol [4k\]: after m5 of w
TurtleDove [5k\]: B makes points in this corner all ways. prob build strength to attack m3
Xylol [4k\]: or k4
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;B[ln]C[Mikko88888: typical ilya
kostuek [?\]: w gets a bit heavy
GoMaster [2d\]: go for the hunt, elya
snowy [1k\]: i dont remember which tournament but some kibitzers said he is @ xylol
gogonuts [4d\]: unlikely that w will die though, so m6 is risky
flobby [-\]: oo id a bomber die
snowy [1k\]: w is not getting any points here
flobby [-\]: did
snowy [1k\]: nowp nowp nowp w
snowy [1k\]: no u don't
gogonuts [4d\]: despite b getting the peep, i like q6
TurtleDove [5k\]: W has p10 or o10 sente at some point in the fight
GoMaster [2d\]: or even better, intend to cut some times, so black has to come back somehow
Jodo [2d\]: maybe Q6 better reduction point than P5
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;W[pn]
;B[nn]
;W[nm]
;B[mm]
;W[mo]
;B[mn]
;W[on]
;B[nr]
;W[nk]C[Iniesta [2k\]: did jabarin alreday beat ilya ?
Lice [4d\]: only a thausand times
Naphthalin [6k?\]: maybe only a hauntred times
]
;B[lk]C[Iniesta [2k\]: i though b was stronger
snowy [1k\]: uhm
Naphthalin [6k?\]: b is scary in this tournament
snowy [1k\]: ilya won all his games so far
Secil [6k?\]: Q11 stones dead if W wants now right?
gogonuts [4d\]: w has a lot to play for, I think m6 should have been at q6
snowy [1k\]: if they played a lot before then maybe he have prepared for this ^_^
snowy [1k\]: especially if he lost a lot lol
Mikko88888: cut at P11 black's only trouble
Iniesta [2k\]: b has a huge wall now
Iniesta [2k\]: im scary of this wall even if im not playing
Muttley [3k\]: "Muttley sente me one of his "PowerGo With Muttley!" DVDs before the EGC, and now I'm on 4/4" - Ilya Shikshin.
TurtleDove [5k\]: yeah B wall nearly full board north to south lol
Jodo [2d\]: If W cut at P11 now B atari, sacrfice Q11 stones and get all LR quarter
Muttley [3k\]: "I didn't watch it." - Ilya Shikshin.
snowy [1k\]: the great wall of ilya
Naphthalin [6k?\]: muttley, are you sure that "sente" is the correct past of send?
Muttley [3k\]: hehe
wolokom [5k\]: chinese wall
Naphthalin [6k?\]: who built the chinese wall?
kostuek [?\]: aliens
Avari [?\]: egd-rated games 7, ali one 1 against ilja
gogonuts [4d\]: r9?
ganesha2 [3k\]: interesting that great wall ancient part has archers windows facing inside China
ganesha2 [3k\]: someont built the wall against chinese 
kostuek [?\]: in the pro game w quickly made shape, this here looks a bit ugly
wolokom [5k\]: a bit??
Naphthalin [6k?\]: @ganesha, archer windows facing the own territory make sense
Jodo [2d\]: W carrying burden of bad result top
Naphthalin [6k?\]: if someone crosses it at a point, you want the castles to defend the territory as well
ganesha2 [3k\]: +. w seems heavy. go Ilya
Naphthalin [6k?\]: w has time for r9 now?
PlaySlow [11k\]: @jodo so if black sacrifices q11, he cuts at O6 and take bottom right you mean?
TurtleDove [5k\]: hmm, does W s6 threaten q4 and p3 follow up
Naphthalin [6k?\]: ilya already had a huge-area game
atman [?\]: The wall was not for preventing a big invasion, it was for catching small raiding armies. And they could best be fought on their way back
ganesha2 [3k\]: yes, but historian declare that the wall was built by chinese against west tribes
PlaySlow [11k\]: Not west tribes. It was built against turks at the north
PlaySlow [11k\]: Hun Empire
PlaySlow [11k\]: Consisting of small tribes
ganesha2 [3k\]: and 70% of the wall is 300 years old 
Jodo [2d\]: no, I mean if W cut, B gives Q11 to W, and B takes the main W group and all lower right
ganesha2 [3k\]: all touristic places for sure new
Dupaaxe [?\]: maybe mongols
Naphthalin [6k?\]: anyway
Naphthalin [6k?\]: what does this wall here protect?
Naphthalin [6k?\]: invasion from the right?
oreo [1d?\]: w P7 was a bit strange, wrong direction ?
oreo [1d?\]: some strong player care to comment on that ?
Lice [4d\]: p7 good
HappyLook [5d\]: no strong players here ;(
snowy [1k\]: : (
oreo [1d?\]: strong(er) than me that is, which is not hard :-)))
Dupaaxe [?\]: ama :)))
Jodo [2d\]: I think W P5 was wrong start, Q6 better
oreo [1d?\]: i would have played something like M instead of P7
oreo [1d?\]: M6
HappyLook [5d\]: dunno if there was really good move to invade. this result at the top is just too bad for white
HappyLook [5d\]: hard to continue
oreo [1d?\]: but then maybe black too big
oreo [1d?\]: i see tks :-))
atman [?\]: This game really seems out of balance. Black only needs to turn a small portion of his potential into territory
xerox27 [3k\]: o11
oreo [1d?\]: w can put some pressure on the Q11 stones
kostuek [?\]: maybe w can get some sente against the corner and settle?
kostuek [?\]: but it hurts
Naphthalin [6k?\]: b n10 would hurt w here
Naphthalin [6k?\]: but b still has no base around g15 to profit from the wall
oreo [1d?\]: fortunately b can only play one stone at a time ;-)
Iniesta [2k\]: w will live in gote
Naphthalin [6k?\]: that's w's only help here
Iniesta [2k\]: then b f16
wefawfsadf: assuming w group on the right was settled and white got sente to play on the left side: would you rather play wC14 or wF17?
Naphthalin [6k?\]: isn't f16 too close to w
Naphthalin [6k?\]: 's corner?
WiteDragon [3k\]: no
WiteDragon [3k\]: thivkness really great
oreo [1d?\]: anyone knows what's that funny icon fj has ? looks like a tux :))
wefawfsadf: oreo: isn't that just a mobile phone icon? for Android client?
Muttley [3k\]: Its the phone app
riskybabe [4k\]: in live broadcast  jabarin seems nervous
EGC2015a [-\]: yes
Muttley [3k\]: w should be nervous, his position is a bit pants
TurtleDove [5k\]: maybe W can use the threat to connect through s11. say with s9 now
EGC2015a [-\]: he is little nervous,
EGC2015a [-\]: he dont like the position
Muttley [3k\]: keep calm and attack the wall
Naphthalin [6k?\]: maybe he just read everything out
Naphthalin [6k?\]: and o12 dies
Naphthalin [6k?\]: and he wants to be sure about it
oreo [1d?\]: oh, is ihe ? what is the link for the live broadcast ?
WestEvil [5k\]: Кто-нибудь может их поторопить?
WestEvil [5k\]: чо так медленно
riskybabe [4k\]: http://egc2015.cz/stream
snowy [1k\]: he needs to live in sente thats what he need D:
oreo [1d?\]: is that a link is russian ? oh tks :-))
riskybabe [4k\]: :)
gogonuts [4d\]: reason to be nervous, but also has something to play for - if and when w lives, b doesnt have a lot of secure points
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;W[mj]C[gogonuts [4d\]: ilya gave up the right side for the attack
Naphthalin [6k?\]: n10, yeah
Naphthalin [6k?\]: b will take r8 i guess
WestEvil [5k\]: can they play faster?
gogonuts [4d\]: lol
riskybabe [4k\]: breaking the wall with no eyes..
]
;B[ni]
;W[lj]
;B[kj]C[Naphthalin [6k?\]: ok, o12 doesn't die now
snowy [1k\]: yesterday, ilya can take a break and back with his time ^^;;;
riskybabe [4k\]: o13 is bad aji still
WiteDragon [3k\]: seesh do those flags really have to be in front of the board in the stream?
gogonuts [4d\]: i dont like n10
oreo [1d?\]: run Forest, run :-)
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;W[ki]C[gogonuts [4d\]: because b fixed his last weak spot
Naphthalin [6k?\]: o13 becomes bigger
gogonuts [4d\]: and w is running where b is strongest
Naphthalin [6k?\]: gogo, did he really?
Namaskar [1k\]: good point... the flags could be moved back to we can see the board...
oreo [1d?\]: i put my money on w :-)
snowy [1k\]: split the flag and put it on the cornest of corners
EGC2015a [-\]: i will move them when they will leave desk
lxlx [-\]: I just looked up the pattern in the upper right at josekipedia and found this game as a reference.
nidza92 [6d?\]: black's shape doesnt look so good
EGC2015a [-\]: ilja seems not happy
Naphthalin [6k?\]: and ali?
Namaskar [1k\]: ok, thx ego
pastlink [?\]: if you can write there you can see the board better than on the stream...  ^^
Hashirama [1k\]: EGC just use the force
Namaskar [1k\]: egc*
EGC2015a [-\]: ali is now calm
oreo [1d?\]: who's that guy with the fists on his cheeks ... funny :-)
riskybabe [4k\]: one coffee to ilya
mnbvcx: m12
resusou: w plays nice here
snowy [1k\]: i can see egc on stream, hi egc
gogonuts [4d\]: in this type of position the side that has to make the next move is always more nervous :-)
yaneth [6k\]: wow ... ilya is thinking more than just a few seconds! :O
snowy [1k\]: perhaps he already considered this variation in mind
oreo [1d?\]: double hane
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;B[li]C[oreo [1d?\]: yes, warrior style
EGC2015a [-\]: l9 doesnt work, l9 n9
Muttley [3k\]: p10
WiteDragon [3k\]: now Ilja is rocking in his chair instead of ali
Margera [6k\]: he moves so much lol
riskybabe [4k\]: he is dancing
Weakest [3k?\]: its originally ilyas move, the rocking ;}
Hashirama [1k\]: He is putting in cheat codes
EGC2015a [-\]: both dancing :-D
snowy [1k\]: ilya trademark
sagesse [-\]: where is that live stream?
WiteDragon [3k\]: roln
Lyoug [2k\]: he's waiting for his next attack like an rpg fight
EGC2015a [-\]: aliis knocking the legs under table
Margera [6k\]: looks like hes praying
WiteDragon [3k\]: http://egc2015.cz/stream
EGC2015a [-\]: Its funny to observe, Ali move upa nd down and ilja circle 
wade [5d\]: n11 m12 n12 o13 l9 n9 o10 k10 l8 m8 k11 double ladder it looks nice for w
oreo [1d?\]: these guys look fit, anyone knows what physical traing they have ?
gogonuts [4d\]: is germany the only country where youtube is so pissy about streaming?
gogonuts [4d\]: it works with hola, but still
kostuek [?\]: would be nice to see their brain activities right now
Artjom [3k\]: надеюсь Илья в носу в этот раз не будет ковыряться
WiteDragon [3k\]: as far as i know yes, ok in belgium
Muttley [3k\]: Ali: "where's my coffee?"  Ilya: "kill ... kill ... kill ... kill ..."
WiteDragon [3k\]: gogonuts by any chance do you play in a club in berlin?
atman [?\]: Of course. You think any other nation could be as tight as Germany? ;-)
kostuek [?\]: :)
Muttley [3k\]: hehe :)
gogonuts [4d\]: i live in hamburg
WiteDragon [3k\]: ah ok
Naphthalin [6k?\]: so what is w's plan here?
Naphthalin [6k?\]: leave the b wall with some cuts and go for a big left side?
oreo [1d?\]: Fan-Thomas goban is much thicker than the one used in this game, any reason for this ?
gogonuts [4d\]: this cut is brutish even by ilyas standards :-)
kostuek [?\]: break the wall and run around would be good
Muttley [3k\]: w has 4 stones outside the wall
AhSayuni [5d\]: p10 is a strange peep
Muttley [3k\]: its not looking good, is it
AhSayuni [5d\]: but might need to consider it
oreo [1d?\]: it would be nice to move the camera around so we can have a look at the whole room
Muttley [3k\]: I want p10 because it vaguely protects a cut
Naphthalin [6k?\]: and b can't seal?
WiteDragon [3k\]: b will ignore p10?
atman [?\]: How big it could become, with so much influence above it? Lower side would become bigger than left side for sure 
kostuek [?\]: too complicated for my brain
WiteDragon [3k\]: and take sente twice if w pushes trough?
WiteDragon [3k\]: or is it too much?
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;W[kk]
;B[jj]
;W[qk]C[kostuek [?\]: so  much aji everywhere..
gogonuts [4d\]: any normal human being would play m12 now, so where will ilya play? :-)
Rodtank [1d\]: n9?
Rodtank [1d\]: p9?
mnbvcx: n9
Muttley [3k\]: e16
snowy [1k\]: all players can't keep yawning throughout this tournament o.0
atman [?\]: D10?
snowy [1k\]: such a boring game.......... ;p
Naphthalin [6k?\]: well, ilya is playing on KGS in the evening xD
kostuek [?\]: k11?
ganesha2 [3k\]: I wonder what is Ali's face expression now?
zima [2k\]: m8 or m12 
oreo [1d?\]: great overall view of the room
oreo [1d?\]: cool
riskybabe [4k\]: boring
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;B[fo]C[Naphthalin [6k?\]: @oreo: the room was indeed really nice
kostuek [?\]: tenuki, ofc
snowy [1k\]: https://youtu.be/bAi-Ic5dB1c   video stream
Naphthalin [6k?\]: f5 big
zima [2k\]: thanks
oreo [1d?\]: m8 ?
Artjom [3k\]: Илья гипнотизирует оппонента
Artjom [3k\]: )))))))))
snowy [1k\]: next b upper left ?
Iniesta [2k\]: private joke
oreo [1d?\]: where is artem ?
gogonuts [4d\]: upper left is an idea
gogonuts [4d\]: maybe g16
WiteDragon [3k\]: looks like b already made up for the w cash in upper right
gogonuts [4d\]: so the bottom calamity doesnt repeat at the top :_)
theolddan [2d\]: w will move on upper side  f17 maybe
zima [2k\]: Iiya moves like a hypno fog
oreo [1d?\]: maybe he has adhd :-)
AhSayuni [5d\]: I think Ali will be patient and play d2 
Rodtank [1d\]: d2 does seem ali style
AhSayuni [5d\]: there seems to be enough aji
theolddan [2d\]: but b f17 too good imho
resusou: w not bad  at this moment I think
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;W[mi]C[wefawfsadf: I think white still owes a move to the right
]
;B[jk]C[mdm [4k\]: artem lost yesterday
theolddan [2d\]: now bottom becomes urgent for  w
]
;W[lh]
;B[ng]C[oreo [1d?\]: the streaming has something like 30 s delay
Rodtank [1d\]: oh i tohught black would n12 to take the eye
wefawfsadf: oreo: refreshing the stream will get it more up to date
EGC2015a [-\]: it cant be "live"
wefawfsadf: somehow the lag increases the longer you watch
oreo [1d?\]: i'm just sayin' :-)
EGC2015a [-\]: streaming go over 2 computers which restreamingvideo
]
;W[dr]C[gogonuts [4d\]: we want fresh streams :-)
oreo [1d?\]: i was about to ask what kind of streaming techno do you guys use ?
Annie [-\]: you do have one
EGC2015a [-\]: and its IP cameras so there is delay too :)
illyriak [8k\]: d2?
Annie [-\]: its being broadcasted on kgs live
WiteDragon [3k\]: nice call sayuni
snowy [1k\]: o no wonder
]
;B[dm]C[Rodtank [1d\]: the streaming is nice, well done organisers
snowy [1k\]: i noticed...so i just refresh it 
bitzi [-\]: is ilya using some special distraction techinque with his movements?
oreo [1d?\]: i like D7
pastlink [?\]: sneak dance
EGC2015a [-\]: no computers for video is in hotel room and we useing hotel highspeed ethernet
oreo [1d?\]: it's drunken kungfu-go style ^^
EGC2015a [-\]: and one men is sitting at that computers and control stream, switch cameras etc.
oreo [1d?\]: it's good enough, good job guys :-)
]
;W[cm]
;B[dl]C[EGC2015a [-\]: and if you want i can put stones with 30s delay :-P 
Xylol [4k\]: yeah please
Dupaaxe [?\]: :))))
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;W[mq]C[Xylol [4k\]: but on the other hand everyone has a diffrent delay, so do like you want
bitzi [-\]: i like the delay
bitzi [-\]: this way i can see the move and then watch how it was played
Lyoug [2k\]: +1 bitzi
Xylol [4k\]: to see reactions, good point
snowy [1k\]: i need two monitors >.>
Hashirama [1k\]: I have 3 monitors
Hashirama [1k\]: :D
Xylol [4k\]: how can you use a pc with 1?
riskybabe [4k\]: i like the games in which 1/4 of the board is empty
Fabbo [7k?\]: me too, but there is never enoguh monitors
Fabbo [7k?\]: *enough
pastlink [?\]: can stream recorder go on strike if work conditions are not good enought ?
]
;B[lr]C[Xylol [4k\]: no
EGC2015a [-\]: all streams are recorded local
EGC2015a [-\]: so maybe after event you can download videos with 720p resolution
oreo [1d?\]: the interview with fan is ridiculous
Xylol [4k\]: oreo whats happening?
Dupaaxe [?\]: I download some and vlc don`t play them :(
Hashirama [1k\]: :(
EGC2015a [-\]: where download?
Xylol [4k\]: its no video file if vlc doesnt play it
oreo [1d?\]: i had a look at the video where this young girl asked some silly questions to fan ... fan is very polite :-)
Xylol [4k\]: fan is pro
wefawfsadf: why is that ridiculous?
CrabStone [2d\]: the questions were ridiculous?
kostuek [?\]: because of polite people
Dupaaxe [?\]: is ".mp4" :))
oreo [1d?\]: well, it's european go championship, you have a pro go to be interviewed, the least you can o is to ask interresting questions
Muttley [3k\]: I agree
Minjhou [5k?\]: question: can someone be -1p?
Muttley [3k\]: She should have started with "Where is your fan?"
oreo [1d?\]: lol, 
ponnolone [8k?\]: ha ha ha
TurtleDove [5k\]: same in football. they all want to interview players but then have nothing to ask. it doesn't matter as long as the fans get to hear them talk
snowy [1k\]: i heard u have a lot of minions on kgs
oreo [1d?\]: that is a way to start indeed
Muttley [3k\]: And "Where is your beard?"
oreo [1d?\]: lol
Xylol [4k\]: Muttley, iam a huge fan of your fan fan
Muttley [3k\]: hehe
profi [2d\]: the game looks close, would be w g17 right direction?
Muttley [3k\]: f17
oreo [1d?\]: L4 works ?
Muttley [3k\]: no point letting b live at c17 unconditionally
riskybabe [4k\]: jabarin spent too much time
oreo [1d?\]: debarre seems to be doing fine
ponnolone [8k?\]: are you a fan of debarre?^^
gogonuts [4d\]: football interviews are the dumbest thing in the world. before the game: will you win? after the game: why did/didn't you win?
fyn [4k\]: could someone say how much time they have left?
Annie [-\]: which football
TurtleDove [5k\]: jouralists know it. just get the face in front of the camera is all they care
Xylol [4k\]: the best interview is with olympic swimmers after the contest
Xylol [4k\]: they arent able to say anything just breathing and nodding :D
kostuek [?\]: how is water
]
;W[ck]C[oreo [1d?\]: boxing before-match interviews beat the football ones i think :-)
riskybabe [4k\]: after football match programs even worse
Annie [-\]: white must feel comfortable
rsun [4d\]: b bottom not so big
rsun [4d\]: f17 now
oreo [1d?\]: c17
oreo [1d?\]: ^^
Xylol [4k\]: i though c9 to small.
Xylol [4k\]: something around f17 for w possible too=?
Annie [-\]: no
Annie [-\]: blacks move
NIre [1k\]: e10 
Annie [-\]: unless he feels like being DQ'd
fyn [4k\]: Xylol meant for last move, I think
]
;B[dn]C[Xylol [4k\]: yeah. something around F17 instead of c9 possible?
oreo [1d?\]: the body language of the players is fun to observe :-)
WiteDragon [3k\]: dunno, that top black wall doesn' tdo much any more with the ponnuik now, does it?
Annie [-\]: the hane is too strong to not jump
noob1d [5d?\]: is this the weekend tournament?
WiteDragon [3k\]: so f17 areea doesn't seem so important
Xylol [4k\]: ah i watched some random documentary about go from 1989
WiteDragon [3k\]: to me
]
;W[do]C[Xylol [4k\]: and whos on the tournament there, vladimir danek :D
dxxd [-\]: noob, semifinals
noob1d [5d?\]: ok thx
]
;B[fc]C[oreo [1d?\]: dumb question, what material did they use on the floor ?
Xylol [4k\]: well i think f17 important
oreo [1d?\]: wood ?
WiteDragon [3k\]: seems tehe pro's disagree
Annie [-\]: tile?
]
;W[dk]
;B[ek]
;W[ej]
;B[fk]C[oreo [1d?\]: plastic ?
edlee [2k\]: oreo, is there a link to a live video stream ?
Annie [-\]: obviously not wite as IIya played f17
WiteDragon [3k\]: http://egc2015.cz/stream
riskybabe [4k\]: ali is walling
Cez [4d\]: they used oreos
oreo [1d?\]: lol
Cez [4d\]: they were your brothers man im sorry
WiteDragon [3k\]: yeah that's why i said they disagree
godevilgo [4k?\]: I prefer white
Xylol [4k\]: EGC, thank you alot for moving flaggs
WiteDragon [3k\]: with me i meant ofc
noob1d [5d?\]: so players in the semi finals can't play in the weekend tournament?
Secil [6k?\]: Ali's time is 33 min while ilya got 1:42?
gogonuts [4d\]: this is looking overconcentrated for b
rsun [4d\]: d14 normal
edlee [2k\]: WD, thank you
rsun [4d\]: e18 shukou
Xylol [4k\]: F15?
]
;W[df]C[noob1d [5d?\]: c17 
WiteDragon [3k\]: after f15 i think b wwould invade and fight, it was too much
FraTeoX [1d\]: seems bad for b no ,
Iniesta [2k\]: w leads now
WiteDragon [3k\]: i'd sure be ahppy as w now
]
;B[cc]
;W[dc]
;B[db]
;W[cd]
;B[bb]
;W[bc]
;B[cb]C[WiteDragon [3k\]: so maybe f 17 wrong after all? :-)
Annie [-\]: no
]
;W[fj]
;B[gk]C[oreo [1d?\]: f17 kept options open :-)
riskybabe [4k\]: critical
kostuek [?\]: b really likes his h7 area
Annie [-\]: last time I checked p7 was niether dead or alive
fyn [4k\]: I keep expecting him to tenuki from there
oreo [1d?\]: alive
fyn [4k\]: I thought he'd tenuki d9
CrabStone [2d\]: schrodinger's group
oreo [1d?\]: or lee groups :-)
snowy [1k\]: oh noes for b
Secil [6k?\]: Eh, ali vs fan in the finals:p
Xylol [4k\]: oreo :)
snowy [1k\]: no0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o
rsun [4d\]:  ein Spiel ohne Blut / ist nicht wirklich gut
Secil [6k?\]: Jawohl, das ist Richtig
godevilgo [4k?\]: G15?
oreo [1d?\]: this is a foolow up og the schrodinger sentence ?
kolayn112 [1k\]: у черных не так гладко как хотелось бы правильно понимаю
oreo [1d?\]: :-)
]
;W[fr]C[TheThe [4k\]: SE got b+5
WestEvil [5k\]: колян, не парься
oreo [1d?\]: f2 is biiig
]
;B[eq]
;W[er]C[hu3: j18
TurtleDove [5k\]: SE not good with AGA rules
anton007 [-\]: Белый выигрывает сейчас
rsun [4d\]: d10 aji
]
;B[gq]C[kolayn112 [1k\]: ну хочется чтоб Россия впереди была
WestEvil [5k\]: ну у белого очки понадежнее вроде
WestEvil [5k\]: посмотрим
ubique [3d\]: Is E3 really reasonable?
oreo [1d?\]: what next ?
rsun [4d\]: e3 is standard yose
oreo [1d?\]: F15 ?
wefawfsadf: I think this position is starting to look good for white
Xylol [4k\]: oreo G15?
FraTeoX [1d\]: it's is not starting
bitzi [-\]: b16 big
oreo [1d?\]: G16 ?
EGC2015a [-\]: j16maybe
wefawfsadf: I'd rather wG16 than wG15
riskybabe [4k\]: f15 is strengthening b isn't it?
ubique [3d\]: Oh, I always play G2 no questions asked...
Xylol [4k\]: whats happening with p7 group?
Muttley [3k\]: alive
FraTeoX [1d\]: now g15
Xylol [4k\]: and how many points is b16? :-P
rsun [4d\]: yes, I always thought so as well, until I saw pros play e3 too...
gogonuts [4d\]: can b still win?
Muttley [3k\]: b16 normally 11 points, isn't it
oreo [1d?\]: w looks good
rsun [4d\]: e3 emphasizes the push cut aji, I think
hu3: w j15
Xylol [4k\]: b looks really relaxed
WiteDragon [3k\]: maybe if m12 not yet alive?
riskybabe [4k\]: what about g16?
Xylol [4k\]: a bit risky
Xylol [4k\]: babe
xerox27 [3k\]: l14
Muttley [3k\]: h16 looks like a big reduction
riskybabe [4k\]: :P
Muttley [3k\]: I think w connects back either way
rsun [4d\]: only SE and a pack of sakata eios can kill m12 group
TurtleDove [5k\]: W e6 worth it to get c8 sente ?
WiteDragon [3k\]: :)
NivCoan [2k\]: lol
]
;W[ec]C[Muttley [3k\]: e17.
Muttley [3k\]: Beautiful pro shape.
CrabStone [2d\]: f18 ?
rsun [4d\]: w left > b bottom
WiteDragon [3k\]: seems w counted and just reeling in the big yose
rsun [4d\]: just reduce the top, and it's a solid win
oreo [1d?\]: pro approach
Muttley [3k\]: where did b go wrong?
Iniesta [2k\]: easy win
Muttley [3k\]: I wasn't watching for a but
kostuek [?\]: "a snake bites in a rabbit" shape
WiteDragon [3k\]: f17 :-)
WiteDragon [3k\]: never use thickness to make points :-)
snowy [1k\]: T.T
oreo [1d?\]: b thought the H5 group will bring lots of points, so wrong direction ?
rsun [4d\]: don't know why b didn't make e10 c10 exchange
rsun [4d\]: huge difference
kostuek [?\]: b played f5 to create sort of miai, but seems j6 area may be not big enough
snowmen [4d\]: isn't white ahead??
Xylol [4k\]: who has better endgame?
Muttley [3k\]: yes, snowmen
Muttley [3k\]: w had a bad position b seems to have blown it
maciek [2d\]: b tenuki :)
Muttley [3k\]: q8 and kills white a few moves later
FraTeoX [1d\]: ilya doesn't seems to be so confident
CrabStone [2d\]: ali beat him a month ago
rsun [4d\]: ali is one year ahead in pro training
bitzi [-\]: b looking for some special moves
FraTeoX [1d\]: yes
Xylol [4k\]: how many points is b16?
oreo [1d?\]: do you know where they train ?
oreo [1d?\]: insei school ? :-)
rsun [4d\]: ali and pavol went to china
bitzi [-\]: b16 11pt
Iniesta [2k\]: w doesnt have kgs account ?
riskybabe [4k\]: he has
Iniesta [2k\]: whats his name ?
riskybabe [4k\]: oohaah or s.thing like that
Xylol [4k\]: ty
rsun [4d\]: I heard they fought all the way up the highest class in insei school
]
;B[dq]
;W[cq]
;B[cr]C[TheThe [4k\]: desperado?
rsun [4d\]: it is yose skill
oreo [1d?\]: big yose
Alenchon [6k\]: no, try to limit the large W left side
TurtleDove [5k\]: this aims at B c8 ?
CrabStone [2d\]: sente too
oreo [1d?\]: B3 ?
]
;W[bq]C[CrabStone [2d\]: b2
oreo [1d?\]: ^^
Annie [-\]: not sure what hte plan was..
NireX [2k?\]: f12 
rsun [4d\]: b can push cut atari down then kosumi at a4
rsun [4d\]: after b2 a2 exchange
FraTeoX [1d\]: seems ilya practice the circle corpse bomber 
oreo [1d?\]: lol
FraTeoX [1d\]: pretty efficient weapon
rsun [4d\]: so w cannot a2 if b b2
]
;B[dj]C[Annie [-\]: c8 
TheThe [4k\]: yikes
]
;W[cj]C[Annie [-\]: or you know
TheThe [4k\]: go ilya!
Annie [-\]: just leave the there
Annie [-\]: cut*
FraTeoX [1d\]: go Ali
Annie [-\]: the cut will come back to bite ali
oreo [1d?\]: a bit late for ilya ?
gogonuts [4d\]: ilya realized he can't just let the game take its natural course
NireX [2k?\]: how time?
gogonuts [4d\]: but hard to stir things up now, agree
oreo [1d?\]: i see kos coming :-)
GoMaster [2d\]: rsun, is there some kind of article about pavol and lisy. about the insei classes, id like to know more :) ? 
Tonight [3k?\]: Pavol and lisy?
snowmen [4d\]: it is only aji, noting works
Tonight [3k?\]: Why not lee and sedol?
snowmen [4d\]: nothing
snowy [1k\]: : (
gogonuts [4d\]: if nothing works its not aji :-)
riskybabe [4k\]: d10 cut makes w stronger
Xylol [4k\]: aji is just some taste
Iniesta [2k\]: maybe b was too confident and played too fast
oreo [1d?\]: if nothing works, if both see that, that is :-)
snowmen [4d\]: black d13 would at least be an idea
TheThe [4k\]: Ilya too confident? never happen
gogonuts [4d\]: blunder aji :-)
rsun [4d\]: @GoMaster http://weiqi-to-go.net/2015/02/05/an-interview-with-top-european-players-studying-in-china/
Hellhuman [1d?\]: is this the first ruond of the day?
Annie [-\]: more like plunder
Muttley [3k\]: wow, b really did get into vanilla mode
Blitzcore [3k\]: f16 for b?
GoMaster [2d\]: thx, rsun :) 
mdm [4k\]: for those guys it's the only round today
oreo [1d?\]: ali is impressive, very calm, inward oriented and Ilyia is all fire, maybe some accupuncture or swiming would be god for him :-)
YZ1509 [3d\]: white has a good game
TurtleDove [5k\]: yah, to many 5 hour matches a day is bad for the digestion
riskybabe [4k\]: indeed
Muttley [3k\]: Maybe Ilya should have watched my DVD after all
bitzi [-\]: so ilya thinks if he can't find anything he'll lose
Blitzcore [3k\]: well - b has problems, so he might have already watched it...
WiteDragon [3k\]: oh no not spamming the dvd's again...
Muttley [3k\]: atm w 77.5, b 80, but that's without the problems at the top accounted for
Muttley [3k\]: I'll stop :))
]
;B[cl]
;W[bl]
;B[bm]C[rsun [4d\]: pavol biting his lip: http://www.go-teacher.com/uploads/4/8/7/6/48768223/982957.jpg
]
;W[bk]C[Hellhuman [1d?\]: Thats important rsun .3
WiteDragon [3k\]: ;-)
TheThe [4k\]: wow
]
;B[co]C[kostuek [?\]: why i didn't read it in the local press
]
;W[bn]
;B[bo]C[Muttley [3k\]: I think the result will most likely be within 4.5 points
]
;W[am]
;B[br]C[noob1d [5d?\]: b master
Muttley [3k\]: but b tenuki top, so that's a loss of points later
Muttley [3k\]: and a gain for white
Annie [-\]: this doesnt work
Lice [4d\]: g2 sente means it works very well
Muttley [3k\]: its a squeeze to seal g2 in sente
Lice [4d\]: b9 probably a mistake
YZ1509 [3d\]: yes just e5 g2 sente for black
Muttley [3k\]: and b really, really needs sente
Blitzcore [3k\]: b trying to increase d10 aji?
oreo [1d?\]: g2 sente was already available after the first C2
kostuek [?\]: this is big
UlasBelh [3k\]: a4 would be painful for w
oreo [1d?\]: no need to play the other moves, 
]
;W[ar]C[oreo [1d?\]: b is trying but no avail, w solid ... steady  ... win
]
;B[ap]C[TheThe [4k\]: SE got b+7
gogonuts [4d\]: man
bolbi [-\]: thank you TheThe
rsun [4d\]: I saw all this at move 106
Muttley [3k\]: I have b a bit ahead if you discount the g14 area, which is more likely to be points for w now
CrabStone [2d\]: b4 ?
Feanor [1d\]: you're seeing things rsun, that cannot be good
gogonuts [4d\]: b gave up the d1 ko aji after b g2, to get the incredible a6
UlasBelh [3k\]: yes that move
gogonuts [4d\]: this iw worse than expected
Muttley [3k\]: but just b4
rsun [4d\]: b aiming at c4 cut, not a6
]
;W[bp]C[Muttley [3k\]: yeah
CrabStone [2d\]: b1 
Muttley [3k\]: that's the point, allow the squeeze to deny the cut
gogonuts [4d\]: muttley saved the day
riskybabe [4k\]: kamino itte
]
;B[eo]C[Feanor [1d\]: shape in sente
Muttley [3k\]: this is going to be a nailbiting yose for ali
CrabStone [2d\]: g2 also sente now
]
;W[cp]C[Muttley [3k\]: since he probably felt he had a clean lead
rsun [4d\]: you should cite crabstone for b4, not muttley
]
;B[gr]C[CrabStone [2d\]: thx rsun
]
;W[eb]C[Muttley [3k\]: CrabStone [2d\]: b4 ?
]
;B[bd]
;W[be]
;B[ac]C[Muttley [3k\]: quite right :)
gogonuts [4d\]: sry, didnt see
rsun [4d\]: lol jk ;)
Muttley [3k\]: neither did I, crabstone :)
Steuer09 [-\]:  a well, cravstone put a "?" to b4, while muttley, oc course, didnt
theolddan [2d\]: b b1 bonus aji
Steuer09 [-\]: *crabstone
Muttley [3k\]: lol
WiteDragon [3k\]: look at f17 now...
fyn [4k\]: doesn't b1 just win the three stones?
Muttley [3k\]: I'm more concerned about the effect of b g10
theolddan [2d\]: not even ko now
CrabStone [2d\]: yes fyn
fyn [4k\]: right, thanks
]
;W[kl]C[riskybabe [4k\]: woww
GoMaster [2d\]: black got a little bit more than 60p 
mnbvcx: k8
Annie [-\]: its a good move if iilya ignores
oreo [1d?\]: L4 is next
]
;B[km]C[asahin: top is still the place to be now
Fabbo [7k?\]: what about r6
Lice [4d\]: what about b1?
asahin: doesnt w just want aji to get some closure around j11
jim [5d\]: g10
xerox27 [3k\]: j17
Lice [4d\]: b1 14 points..
Minjhou [5k?\]:  
CrabStone [2d\]: b1 gote
noob1d [5d?\]: w can't miss a15 
letoII [5k\]: is it ?
letoII [5k\]: b1 white elsewhere b f1 ?
]
;W[mr]
;B[ms]
;W[lp]C[fyn [4k\]: white can't save the stones even if he answers
]
;B[kp]
;W[kq]C[Lice [4d\]: b will probably ignore a15 at this point
letoII [5k\]: ok fyn
rsun [4d\]: the style of Ali / is like the pirates of Somali / it's not by stealth / that he gathers his wealth
]
;B[nq]
;W[mp]C[asahin: w's shape is fixed now
NireX [2k?\]: bad
]
;B[ko]C[Muttley [3k\]: Ali's style / I've seen for a while / is play pretty quiet / then start a riot
]
;W[qo]C[Fabbo [7k?\]: isn't that called power go? 
]
;B[ro]C[oreo [1d?\]: all this for sente s5 ? cool
]
;W[pp]
;B[qq]C[noob1d [5d?\]: a15 
asahin: playing s6 is painful
Deodred [3d\]: i coun't b1 has more than 20 pts
YZ1509 [3d\]: yes i wondered about white s4, rather played s5 for white myself
oreo [1d?\]: a 15 F18 ?
maciek [2d\]: wrong counting ;) its like 13-14 :)
jim [5d\]: b1 is 17 points
maciek [2d\]: :D
]
;W[rn]C[Deodred [3d\]: did you count H2, h1 pts?
asahin: b will ignore this
noob1d [5d?\]: ofc
asahin: so sente for top ?
asahin: or b1 ?
Deodred [3d\]: H17 is bigger than B1
MrVaga [1k\]: b1 will not wome right now
EGC2015a [-\]: ilja looking at top
noob1d [5d?\]: i'd try a15 first, then play b1 
Lice [4d\]: w will ignore a15
Lice [4d\]: b will also ignore a15
asahin: f18 ?
Lice [4d\]: b1 is bigger
MrVaga [1k\]: gote bigger, so not really bigger
Lice [4d\]: ...
asahin: do you count your hot points ?
rsun [4d\]: H17
Steuer09 [-\]: just countr hot pants
asahin: h17 seems reasonnable
namtg [2k\]: b is leading
namtg [2k\]: ?
prius: w leads
YZ1509 [3d\]: yes if white gets a stone at h17 m15 might stirr uncontrolable problems
rsun [4d\]: one leads, the other bleeds
noob1d [5d?\]: b ain't got time to bleed
VPP79 [2k\]: Илья всегда так качается, когда играет?
asahin: looks like a close game to me
Secil [6k?\]: 1hour vs 7 minutes
Muttley [3k\]: w 77.5m, b 75
YZ1509 [3d\]: white has the edge in my counts
Muttley [3k\]: I gave w b1
Muttley [3k\]: but generous to w around f13
Secil [6k?\]: 1:13 vs 0:07 it says in stream?
Secil [6k?\]: or my eyes are failing:)
Muttley [3k\]: I still think its within 4.5 error
snowy [1k\]: plus komi
snowy [1k\]:  : __________(
Muttley [3k\]: counted komi
snowy [1k\]: ilya looked paused
Muttley [3k\]: w's about 71 on the board
snowy [1k\]: he prolly know : (
Muttley [3k\]: again, giving b1 and f13
Namaskar [1k\]: whoever gets h17 should win
Muttley [3k\]: I prefer this approach to counting to leaving undecided areas fully "undecided"
prius: how dou you count the area around j16?
kolayn112 [1k\]: еще играть и играть какие очки вы считаете???
rsun [4d\]: you don't count j16 area
Muttley [3k\]: I gave b h17 in exchange for w's b1
Weishenme [4d\]: d13 
asahin: you dont count undecided
Namaskar [1k\]: ah ic
Muttley [3k\]: so I gave by 11 points there
YZ1509 [3d\]: i never heard about ali jabarin before, which country he is?
prius: then u cant count at all
rsun [4d\]: israel
Secil [6k?\]: Ali jabarin is the 2nd european pro after pavol lisy:)
asahin: you dont count undecided as points for a side
snowy [1k\]: orly
rsun [4d\]: ironically israel is in asia
Secil [6k?\]: Yes snowy, u can read from here http://weiqi-to-go.net/2014/06/24/ali-jabarin-defeats-surma-podpera-to-become-second-european-pro/.
Muttley [3k\]: asahin, you do if you make a guestimate who gets to play it out first
prius: not for sport events
YZ1509 [3d\]: yeah blame the crusaders
asahin: isnt it in the middle east ?
prius: israel football teams play in uefa competitions
rsun [4d\]: middle east is in asia...
Muttley [3k\]: part of counting is figuring out how the trades fall out
UlasBelh [3k\]: s7
asahin: you count +- on medium range
TheThe [4k\]: just trust SE, b+17 now
Muttley [3k\]: depends why you're counting
asahin: to know where to play next ?
Muttley [3k\]: if you're counting to see where to play next, then +/- works fairly well
Muttley [3k\]: yes
noob1d [5d?\]: ilya 2 strong
tugkan [2d\]: What abort t
Muttley [3k\]: if you're counting to see what the result will be, you need to make a decision
samowar [1d\]: maybe g15?
tugkan [2d\]: What about times
NorahJones [?\]: W+R
ganesha2 [3k\]: gonna be close 
asahin: non sense
mdm [4k\]: b gonna win
samowar [1d\]: or f12
samowar [1d\]: :P
Muttley [3k\]: depends how close it is
asahin: not you muttley
NorahJones [?\]: its still open
Muttley [3k\]: heheh, I don't mind if it is :)
TheThe [4k\]: captain will win
snowy [1k\]: b imagining game until endgame now ! ! !
asahin: i get what you mean
Muttley [3k\]: right :)
NorahJones [?\]: i imagine many things...
YZ1509 [3d\]: it's already yose
Muttley [3k\]: it all depends what your goal in counting is
Muttley [3k\]: it could be to calculate ko threats instead, for example
asahin: going to 100 one day
jim [5d\]: we all imagine more or less not only black
oreo [1d?\]: w s4
]
;B[fb]C[tugkan [2d\]: e12
]
;W[fa]C[Muttley [3k\]: all in :))
tugkan [2d\]: for b
snowy [1k\]: moine
jim [5d\]: S4 and B1or F1 a kind of miai
Lice [4d\]: why he rushed into f19?
oreo [1d?\]: s4 looks huge
jim [5d\]: S4 is big also then P3 and T3 for white are sente
YZ1509 [3d\]: b1 slightly bigger than s4
]
;B[hb]C[tugkan [2d\]: B1 nothing
YZ1509 [3d\]: so all gets down on who gets a15 sente
Lice [4d\]: w a15 is no longer sente
Lice [4d\]: oh wait
Lice [4d\]: hmm
Muttley [3k\]: a15 is a 25 points ko if b wants it to be
oreo [1d?\]: which also invalidates the previous comment ^^
jim [5d\]: G10  I like here 
YZ1509 [3d\]: yes therefor f18 was chosen to make b d18 sente to survive in the corner
Muttley [3k\]: so double gote is 12
Lice [4d\]: ye a15 not sente
]
;W[bs]C[Muttley [3k\]: so not the biggest to answer
Lice [4d\]: b lives by double ko
asahin: sente is just your opponent answering
oreo [1d?\]: winiing move
theolddan [2d\]: w steels b1
WiteDragon [3k\]: guess w counts it as a win
Muttley [3k\]: w might just be taking as many clean points now as possible, since reduction at the top should be white's sente
Lice [4d\]: ah no nvm a15 is still sente
Muttley [3k\]: rather than leave b with the largest gote plays after playing out the top
]
;B[fe]C[Lice [4d\]: but b would tenuki and play b1
YZ1509 [3d\]: hmm i expected white j16 instead of b1
testgo1 [3k\]: m8 sente for w ?
pancake [3d\]: g15 wasn't worth it for white?
Muttley [3k\]: now we get the fun of recounting :))
Lice [4d\]: now its time for a15
pancake [3d\]: It looked really big to me
theolddan [2d\]: b1 s4 miai not treated as miai
oreo [1d?\]: now b brings back D10
WiteDragon [3k\]: g10 isn't double sente?
NorahJones [?\]: L14 is a good move now?
YZ1509 [3d\]: yes j16 area is huge, seems white misses a sequence here
riskybabe [4k\]: i don't get it wasn't  f15 better than e18 for w?
jim [5d\]: also B14 now some aji
asahin: a15 ?
oreo [1d?\]: so w needs a 15 then
Cool [1k\]: w +0.5
kostuek [?\]: b1 may lost the game for w. kind of funny
Lice [4d\]: b1 was good
NivCoan [2k\]: g10 is a bad move for both
EGC2015a [-\]: w 5 left to byoyomi
pancake [3d\]: I think b1 should've been at G15
WiteDragon [3k\]: why g10 bad?
YZ1509 [3d\]: yes white underestimated the power of white m15
noob1d [5d?\]: W is winning
pancake [3d\]: It gives white the initiative in the last area that matters
Lice [4d\]: b1 was the last area that mattered
Muttley [3k\]: lol, no
Muttley [3k\]: the top is bigger
asahin: doesnt top matters a bit ?
noob1d [5d?\]: l14 ?
Lice [4d\]: b can't get much on top
NivCoan [2k\]: it's just a bad exchange in my opinion
Lice [4d\]: he already spent two moves there, and still its almost nothing
asahin: not much might be enough ?
Secil [6k?\]: 1:02 vs 0:04 is timers?
pancake [3d\]: Just look at the difference between a white and a black move there Lice. It affects the top as well as the right side
Lice [4d\]: now white plays a15, and if b add's another move on top its still pretty much nothing
pancake [3d\]: the difference is quite huge 
jlm [1k\]: G13 looks simple enough
jlm [1k\]: F13
bitzi [-\]: s4 about 14pt?
Warfreak2 [-\]: shikshin, shikshin!
MrVaga [1k\]: it looks so jlm
MrVaga [1k\]: bitzi*
oreo [1d?\]: L14 ? 
oreo [1d?\]: ;-)
oreo [1d?\]: i like B14
]
;W[kf]C[theolddan [2d\]: f15 looks at bb14 aji and e12 to activate d10 
theolddan [2d\]: but
theolddan [2d\]: a15 w sente it seems
MrVaga [1k\]: k15 special shikshin move ! 
Lice [4d\]: don't like this move
theolddan [2d\]: maybe b tries e12 first
pancake [3d\]: B14 seems honestly annoying
Lice [4d\]: b14 is bad cause w wants to play a15
theolddan [2d\]: if w answers he might get away with b14
Lice [4d\]: and then there's a ko with b19
Iniesta [2k\]: w leads by how muxh ?
YZ1509 [3d\]: b slight lead now in my count
oreo [1d?\]: ah, sound is back
oreo [1d?\]: comments
theolddan [2d\]: as long as w hasnt played a15 b has a slight option to  look at b14
]
;B[dg]C[asahin: tesuji
WiteDragon [3k\]: ooh a review of this game just started :-)
theolddan [2d\]: especially if he thinks he is behind
NivCoan [2k\]: where?
Lice [4d\]: l14 was just a bad move..
Iniesta [2k\]: who is reviewing ?
WiteDragon [3k\]: http://egc2015.cz/stream
asahin: l14 reduction ?
WiteDragon [3k\]: Li Cong 2p
EGC2015a [-\]: W in boyoymi
theolddan [2d\]: reduction of nothing
theolddan [2d\]: we just analyzed
Iniesta [2k\]: he is korean ?
Feanor [1d\]: there is some potential there
Feanor [1d\]: "was", more like
Feanor [1d\]: what would you play instead of l14?
]
;W[ef]C[kostuek [?\]: b l14 doesn't look like nothing
oreo [1d?\]: he said 3d ?
gogonuts [4d\]: final showdown
fyn [4k\]: li cong is 3p
Trucmuch [2d\]: f12 ?
fyn [4k\]: and chinese rather than korean
oreo [1d?\]: by the sound of click he's using a pc ;-)
WiteDragon [3k\]: the stream site says 2p
theolddan [2d\]: d13 seems less effective than e12
lovebach [5d?\]: after a15  B tenuki wb19 bc19 wa16  ba19 w b17 be19 double ko wa15 no sente
theolddan [2d\]: but i dont know
prius: why is it that fan hui takes part in the playoffs and motoki doesnt?
theolddan [2d\]: now seems f12 is what b is aiming at
MrVaga [1k\]: Motoki is japanese
]
;B[eg]C[MrVaga [1k\]: Fan is french now
prius: and fan hui is chinese
MrVaga [1k\]: ;)
Steuer09 [-\]: fan is french
prius: he doesnt look French
Cez [4d\]: by the way what are the tournament rules for this championships
Trucmuch [2d\]: he was chinese
prius: but maybe it's me
Cez [4d\]: you lose once and youre out ?
WiteDragon [3k\]: aga, you can see specs in rules of this game
]
;W[fg]C[Feanor [1d\]: of course it's you prius, you're a bad and boring hybrid car
Steuer09 [-\]: first 4 rounfs is double-ko
Steuer09 [-\]: then 3 rounds ko
fyn [4k\]: http://www.egc2015.cz/professionals says he's 3p
prius: it must be me
theolddan [2d\]: w plays with confidence
Welvang [6d\]: Jérôme 
Welvang [6d\]: Salignon
fyn [4k\]: (li cong, in case the conversation moved on too far)
MrVaga [1k\]: what about him Welvng ?
MrVaga [1k\]: Welvang*
ben0 [6d\]: I love Welvang
Welvang [6d\]: I love him
Welvang [6d\]: In the sunshine
Weishenme [4d\]: c14
Weishenme [4d\]: only move :)
jlm [1k\]: If white wins e14 will be one of his highlight moves
Feanor [1d\]: a quick question: now that EGF gives pro ranks, how do eu pros increase their rank?
kostuek [?\]: money
WiteDragon [3k\]: i wonder too...
Song17 [4d?\]: c14 c13 ?
TurtleDove [5k\]: not a quick question ... nobody knows :)
fyn [4k\]: I wish I knew, but there doesn't seem to be too much information on this
WiteDragon [3k\]: reviewer says o12 was wrong
]
;B[ff]C[oreo [1d?\]: nice comments
Fabbo [7k?\]: I hoped he would cut
Ten [?\]: It's Ilya, what else would he do
Feanor [1d\]: ah, so I accidentally stumbled upon one of the great mysteries of the world... fascinating!
ghaele [3d?\]: big tournament whith several qualifications tour the 2 better a the end became pro
WiteDragon [3k\]: lol
Jaguire [4k\]: looking at b14
EGC2015a [-\]: White 1 period down,nly 2x60s
jlm [1k\]: C14 looks solid
]
;W[cg]
;B[fh]C[Trucmuch [2d\]: F12 dont work for w ? oO
theolddan [2d\]: g13 a must
Feanor [1d\]: it would let b b14 I think
jlm [1k\]: L14 works well with this atari
]
;W[gg]C[theolddan [2d\]: g12 also must
Muttley [3k\]: is this a trade with the d11 aji?
]
;B[ch]C[theolddan [2d\]: but diesnt look good for b
Muttley [3k\]: or a ripoff attempt?
]
;W[bg]C[EGC2015a [-\]: ilja just shake his head and its look like he doesnt like position
Lice [4d\]: go ali!
Fabbo [7k?\]: cant he G12?
theolddan [2d\]: l14 is about to become useful 
]
;B[gh]
;W[dh]
;B[eh]
;W[di]C[x0000 [-\]: c12 b13 wasn't good it seems
jlm [1k\]: C13 should of been c14?
theolddan [2d\]: what about b l13 now?
MrVaga [1k\]: I see black ahead...
Song17 [4d?\]: w sure seems to be leading
HKane [4d\]: how much time does ilja have?
theolddan [2d\]: aiming at getting l15 sente to make some points there
x0000 [-\]: l13 is not making much sense right now
x0000 [-\]: m15 sente for w
MrVaga [1k\]: black k15 ?
theolddan [2d\]: still some aji in l8 left
Gogaren [2k\]: why d12 and not e12?
WiteDragon [3k\]: yes! the pro says f17 was wrong
theolddan [2d\]: related to the push at g10
Fabbo [7k?\]: ladder gogaren
lxlx [-\]: Ten, how many points does black need on the upper side to make the game even?
jlm [1k\]: L14 was maybe better than it first looked
]
;B[kg]C[HKane [4d\]: seems like b needs close to 20pts in top center to be ahead
Ten [?\]: Wait, why is it suddenly me being asked?
Muttley [3k\]: I think b is ahead now
]
;W[jg]
;B[jf]C[Muttley [3k\]: b+3.5 I get
EGC2015a [-\]: secondroundofweekendtournament willstart in 15 minutes
Muttley [3k\]: depends so much on this yose here
vaansama [2d?\]: so no one is ahead
vaansama [2d?\]: :)
x0000 [-\]: I think w + around 5 is realistic now
]
;W[hg]C[Ten [?\]: "Depends on this yose" sounds a bit weird...
Ten [?\]: There must be certain expectations we can make to what will roughly happen
Muttley [3k\]: we can, but the players play their own moves
Ten [?\]: That's the same as saying "if the players get it right", then
CBlue [?\]: mhh, time to get up and watch the review by Li Cong 3p >_>
Ten [?\]: I'll bet on white, by the way
Ten [?\]: Black is too thin
jlm [1k\]: We are not strong enough as a group to anticipate the correct yose
Koukkaaja [-\]: Is there live feed of the review?
WiteDragon [3k\]: http://egc2015.cz/stream
Muttley [3k\]: Hehe, I wouldn't presume to understand the best yose in general, let alone here, so "if they players get it right" is a bit strong
RaduStefan [1d\]: Hmm. I think what the 3k is trying to say is that we cannot compute that far. We can't estimate well enough what is going to happen. So we should simply bet. 
Secil [6k?\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAi-Ic5dB1c
Ten [?\]: Suit yourselves :)
noob1d [5d?\]: counting is not predicting what will happen
Muttley [3k\]: Not really, what I'm saying is you can take your best shot, but if they players choose an opposite line, it goes out the window
]
;B[hi]C[Ten [?\]: Counting is exactly predicting what will happen
Welvang [6d\]: Rémi Campagnie
jlm [1k\]: Suddenly f12 looks like a big burden
noob1d [5d?\]: you tell what the position is now
Muttley [3k\]: Exactly, Ten
Muttley [3k\]: its the most concrete thing there is
Welvang [6d\]: Jean louis naddef
testgo1 [3k\]: now w h12
vaansama [2d?\]: tanguy le calvé
Ten [?\]: Black can expect 18-minus altogether on the upper side, it looks to me
]
;W[hh]C[daniug [2d\]: w succesfully saved his sstones
jlm [1k\]: K12?
]
;B[gj]C[testgo1 [3k\]: k12
Ten [?\]: Might be less, white is really quite thick in the area
RaduStefan [1d\]: I don't have the skill to count this board at this particular moment. But my coconuts are on white as well. 
snowy [1k\]: really long game
Muttley [3k\]: I'm not going to bet against Ten here
]
;W[lg]C[Muttley [3k\]: b got wasted at the top in the end
lxlx [-\]: Ten, thank you :-)
Ten [?\]: M8 is going to be white's sente at this rate, too...
vaansama [2d?\]: tentententententen
Ten [?\]: I'm calling it a comfortable white win
WiteDragon [3k\]: review ended on the note that after f18 the game is very xlose
Ten [?\]: Tedomari at s4
Muttley [3k\]: hehe
vaansama [2d?\]: tenten one
Muttley [3k\]: I could have told you that, WiteDragon
Muttley [3k\]: wait a minute- I did!
Lice [4d\]: m13 looks weird
Song17 [4d?\]: why?
Lice [4d\]: k12 not better?
Muttley [3k\]: m13 prepares to give up the L14 stone and keep the connection safe to reduce further
WiteDragon [3k\]: :-)
]
;B[if]C[Song17 [4d?\]: why would it be better?
WiteDragon [3k\]: there's a reason your DVD's are so succesful
]
;W[ne]C[Lice [4d\]: cuz now b can get more territory
Lice [4d\]: i think
Muttley [3k\]: ko
]
;B[nf]
;W[le]C[Lice [4d\]: oh this is nice though
Lice [4d\]: did not think of that
tugkan [2d\]: Res
daniug [2d\]: w did it:D!
Ten [?\]: ...But nothing happened...
Muttley [3k\]: This is like watching Miao Xiachun's yose
Muttley [3k\]: by white
cucaiduong [1k\]: painful for B
]
;B[me]C[Muttley [3k\]: you have a big area and he just wanders through it, ignoring whatever you do to stop it
Song17 [4d?\]: w can take now
tuquedenne [4d\]: by "tedomari", do you mean that S4 will be the last big yose, Ten?
]
;W[kh]C[Ten [?\]: Yeah, looks to me
Syxok [2d\]: would be funny if the euro champion was from a country with 40 players base
Ten [?\]: Will be a big drop in individual move value afterwards
RaduStefan [1d\]: W+R now?
wade [5d\]: f1 also big yose
tuquedenne [4d\]: should be
Ten [?\]: G1 is white's sente before
Lice [4d\]: b tried to complicate at the left while w was under time pressure, and got wrecked
Ten [?\]: As is m8
Muttley [3k\]: might be, I was just wondering whether black would resign at this point
Cool [1k\]: l16 
]
;B[ke]C[NorahJones [?\]: k15 :D
]
;W[oq]
;B[or]C[Secil [6k?\]: Ilya hesitated for 20 seconds before putting L15
Jaguire [4k\]: m8
Brouzouf [-\]: wat
Song17 [4d?\]: can take 2 stones..
noob1d [5d?\]: l12 should be k15 
]
;W[je]
;B[kd]C[Song17 [4d?\]: but b will close his territory so doesn't seem so big
]
;W[he]
;B[ie]C[snowy [1k\]: T.T
]
;W[ge]C[daniug [2d\]: b loses 2 stones?
tugkan [2d\]: Rape
WiteDragon [3k\]: shame to see ilja butchered like this
rsg [5k\]: How much time do they have left?
Muttley [3k\]: tugkan, please don't use comparisons like that
vaansama [2d?\]: ali is not weak too
Muttley [3k\]: thank you
tugkan [2d\]: So sorry
EGC2015a [-\]: W in boyoymi 2 periodsleft
vaansama [2d?\]: so...
Muttley [3k\]: no problem
asahin: might be
Hashirama [1k\]: Muttley can we say Grape instead?
GoRoGoRo [11k?\]: or shape
Muttley [3k\]: if you pay me enough
Muttley [3k\]: I'll give you "rope" for free though
]
;B[fd]C[Koukkaaja [-\]: Grape sounds like grexit
]
;W[ll]C[Song17 [4d?\]: b still has 30 min?
]
;B[ml]C[Hashirama [1k\]: i only have about 3.50
]
;W[mk]
;B[jl]C[mnmn: your language has so many nice words for descriptions, surely you will find a good, fitting, nonoffensive one
asahin: grapes of wrath ?
Lice [4d\]: the sente is realz~!
NorahJones [?\]: W has sente all the time
Song17 [4d?\]: h17 ?
Song17 [4d?\]: f1 ?
Mitty [2k\]: keep it sente ... till the end
jlm [1k\]: H17 and s4 are whites
Ten [?\]: Wait, is j18 a move
]
;W[rp]
;B[rq]C[Song17 [4d?\]: s4 also very big
asahin: easy to say
]
;W[so]C[Ten [?\]: Why yes it is
asahin: game is getting out of control for b ?
mnmn: j18 g19 then ?
Muttley [3k\]: nah, its  the consequence of fighting to win
WiteDragon [3k\]: i thiink mentally he resigned already
Ten [?\]: Then j16
noob1d [5d?\]: w+komi
mnmn: oh that works
]
;B[pk]C[Song17 [4d?\]: more than komi (look at the captured stones)
Goser [12k\]: lol
Song17 [4d?\]: but this is kind of cunning
EGC2015a [-\]: W lost second perion
snowy [1k\]: dont think can turn this game over T.T
EGC2015a [-\]: period
EGC2015a [-\]: only 1x60 left
snowy [1k\]: O
RaduStefan [1d\]: I hope Ali doesn't miss the O8 cutting point
asahin: b+t :)
RyuuGan [?\]: ty EGC2015a
Muttley [3k\]: That would be a terrible finish if w lost on time
Secil [6k?\]: Timetesujii
snowy [1k\]: so there's b+t
snowy [1k\]: ;D
noob1d [5d?\]: pros don't lose by time
NorahJones [?\]: W+10,5
noob1d [5d?\]: except on purpose
Muttley [3k\]: oh, they do sometimes
jlm [1k\]: Q8
asahin: they do
]
;W[pl]C[noob1d [5d?\]: s9 
Ten [?\]: R8, methinks
Artjom [3k\]: Norah i'm waiting for your new album btw
Lice [4d\]: r8 only move
jlm [1k\]: Or s9
NorahJones [?\]: :D
Cool [1k\]: p9 
Muttley [3k\]: Do you have sleeping problems, Artjom?
asahin: there are still people waiting for this ?
noob1d [5d?\]: aiming to cut, i see
tuquedenne [4d\]: and w has to play P9?
Artjom [3k\]: nope
Feanor [1d\]: r8 s9 ?
Song17 [4d?\]: w can give some 5 points there
Ten [?\]: Maybe better to go for circus with s8
Song17 [4d?\]: so I think r8's not so scary
EGC2015a [-\]: Ilja counting teritory
Song17 [4d?\]: plus - Ali has enough time to read it all
Ten [?\]: Of course, nothing is scary for white here
Ten [?\]: The game is over
Song17 [4d?\]: while Ilya is thinking
]
;B[ok]C[noob1d [5d?\]: b can still win
Lice [4d\]: O.O
asahin: yes he can
Ten [?\]: By heart attack
noob1d [5d?\]: o8 s9 
Muttley [3k\]: I'm still amazed it turned so sour for b so quickly
]
;W[nl]C[asahin: its go for you
]
;B[sq]C[Song17 [4d?\]: when do you suppose it turned sour?
wade [5d\]: f17 probably losing move
noob1d [5d?\]: b has time for this?
]
;W[gs]C[Muttley [3k\]: around the time b played f17 and took the corner
Ten [?\]: Kinda want to see j18 next
NivCoan [2k\]: si ilya trying to hypnatize ali? 
noob1d [5d?\]: f1 
]
;B[hs]
;W[fs]C[Song17 [4d?\]: hehe
noob1d [5d?\]: wat
]
;B[hr]C[NivCoan [2k\]: he stopped now
Ten [?\]: F1 was 1/3 points better, yeah
]
;W[hc]C[Tonight [3k?\]: Nov mazal tov
Tonight [3k?\]: Niv
asahin: ouch
Ten [?\]: Oh wait, nevermind, it wasn't
Ten [?\]: Tesuji at k1
]
;B[ic]
;W[gc]
;B[gb]C[tuquedenne [4d\]: he missed J18
noob1d [5d?\]: nice
]
;W[lf]C[Feanor [1d\]: k1 too sneaky
noob1d [5d?\]: well like this w wins for sure
Song17 [4d?\]: it was a ko, right?
]
;B[rk]C[Muttley [3k\]: considering I gave b 11 at top ages ago, I'll count that as a success for the Score Muttulator
NivCoan [2k\]: thx
lxlx [-\]: Ali wants to go to lunch so no j18 today.
]
;W[rl]
;B[qj]
;W[ql]C[noob1d [5d?\]: go shikshin!
]
;B[rh]
;W[rg]C[WiteDragon [3k\]: that's some good counting indeed
Hellhuman [1d?\]: go jabarin!
noob1d [5d?\]: q12 
]
;B[ph]C[noob1d [5d?\]: good
Muttley [3k\]: heh, thanks
noob1d [5d?\]: b still has a chance i feel
Ten [?\]: Meteor strike?
WiteDragon [3k\]: yesterday too with the 9x9 game :)
Muttley [3k\]: good luck with that
Ten [?\]: Earthquake, maybe
phx [7k?\]: B+0,5 easy
asahin: lol
snowy [1k\]: omg 0.0
noob1d [5d?\]: ali realizing if he connects he loses? :^)
snowy [1k\]: where did b get all this points
]
;W[kr]
;B[ls]C[WiteDragon [3k\]: why?
asahin: loosing threats ?
Cool [1k\]: time
Steuer09 [-\]: time
noob1d [5d?\]: time suji
asahin: yep loosing threats 
snowy [1k\]: o
Feanor [1d\]: trading 1 threat for 1 minute
EGC2015a [-\]: Ali counting territory
]
;W[qg]C[snowy [1k\]: ali facepalm
Cool [1k\]: ko
Secil [6k?\]: why didnt he take bottom group
noob1d [5d?\]: b will win
Reckless1 [3d\]: game is so close
Secil [6k?\]: M1 group?
Secil [6k?\]: I dont know anything about this game...
zima [2k\]: t11 
asahin: what about it ?
Secil [6k?\]: why white didnt play at L1
snowy [1k\]: b is awesome o/ 
asahin: its the same
noob1d [5d?\]: l1 o1 
Eilinen [-\]: Quite a game
lxlx [-\]: I want to see Ali winning the KidoCup and EGC in 2015.
Secil [6k?\]: L1-O1-Q2
asahin: why do you want that ?
snowy [1k\]: this game is lo0o0o0o0o0o0ong
Muttley [3k\]: b 63, w 70.5
Lice [4d\]: cuz ali pwns
Secil [6k?\]: ah ok, i mss O4
Secil [6k?\]: soz:(
Secil [6k?\]: so tired
Song17 [4d?\]: I tried offline and it ended by W+1.5
Muttley [3k\]: basically, w ahead by komi I think
]
;B[id]C[Song17 [4d?\]: but rather random endgame
Muttley [3k\]: did you include the komi?
Cez [4d\]: song17
kostuek [?\]: cnm, i have to leave soon :)
Muttley [3k\]: oh, n18 stones
Cez [4d\]: i did the same thing and ended up same haha
Muttley [3k\]: still w +3.5 then
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;W[ld]
;B[lc]C[mnmn: i have w +2.5
phx [7k?\]: b+0,5 dudes
snowy [1k\]: no0o0o0o0o0
asahin: b+.5
snowy [1k\]: b+1.5
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;W[ii]C[Muttley [3k\]: nope, b can't win this by 0.5 :))
noob1d [5d?\]: unfortunately it seems w is winning
snowy [1k\]: no0o0o0o0o0o0o
]
;B[ji]C[RaduStefan [1d\]: white a15 next
Song17 [4d?\]: so it's closer than we thought
noob1d [5d?\]: s10 will be big
wade [5d\]: s10 any time soon
RobertT [-\]: I think either black or white wins
Song17 [4d?\]: but still a w win most likely
jlm [1k\]: Muttley usually has the count right people
Muttley [3k\]: hehe
Syxok [2d\]: are you guys counting with aga rules
]
;W[jh]
;B[ij]C[rsun [4d\]: a triple ko rematch is also possible
EGC2015a [-\]: no
Naphthalin [6k?\]: aga rules make no difference
snowy [1k\]: b+t
TheThe [4k\]: SE b+.5
Song17 [4d?\]: I just used the kgs view offline
Muttley [3k\]: nope, I'm using Japanese counting
Secil [6k?\]: Comment said after F15 Black is better
Song17 [4d?\]: and continued till the end
EGC2015a [-\]: in aga rules there can be no tripple ko
snowy [1k\]: b win b win says se
Muttley [3k\]: TheThe, you need to change the rule set if you use SE
Song17 [4d?\]: I think now s10 is nice
Song17 [4d?\]: might be more than 1.5
Fabbo [7k?\]: whoever plays s10 will win, no?
Muttley [3k\]: a15 first
Naphthalin [6k?\]: @TheThe: view locally, change rules to japanese
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;W[ae]C[Muttley [3k\]: clone, change rules, SE if you want to use SE
Lemuria [2d\]: j12
Song17 [4d?\]: yup
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;B[ad]C[TheThe [4k\]: thanks guys, didn't notice it's these pointless AGA rules again
]
;W[ri]C[rsun [4d\]: AGA rules rule
Syxok [2d\]: you played too many bots rsun
Lice [4d\]: the commentator on youtube missed b19 w
TheThe [4k\]: why does european turney use aga anyway
Lemuria [2d\]: link please
]
;B[rj]C[Lice [4d\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAi-Ic5dB1c
Naphthalin [6k?\]: EGC is sponsored by weiqi tv
]
;W[sh]C[cucaiduong [1k\]: looks w win
asahin: s4 ?
Naphthalin [6k?\]: so maybe they want something usable which is equivalent to chinese scoring
manul [?\]: they sould invent european rule set...
Brouzouf [-\]: yeah, it's not like there aren't enough rule sets, yet
Feanor [1d\]: chinese scoring sucks
rsun [4d\]: http://en.weiqitv.com
asahin: they should make a rule to rule them all
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;B[sp]
;W[ro]C[Naphthalin [6k?\]: you mean germany should make their own rules?
TheThe [4k\]: japanese rule are best
asahin: they already tried
manul [?\]: in european rule set you count territory, stones and can argue in the parlament for few additional points %)
Naphthalin [6k?\]: @asahin
kostuek [?\]: japanese rules are nightmare
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;B[ih]C[notevenbad [-\]: as long as we are in the unification section same ranking system worldwide would be nice
]
;W[ig]
;B[ga]
;W[ea]C[Nam [?\]: hi guys
Mogget [1d\]: o1 p1 l1 o1 r1  ?
rsun [4d\]: japanese rules are not very comprehensive
Feanor [1d\]: I like japanese rules
rsun [4d\]: many holes
Weishenme [4d\]: W+8 or 9
Nam [?\]: who is wining
asahin: best rule is no rule
noob1d [5d?\]: japanese rules were the first i learned, so they must be the best
Secil [6k?\]: W+6.5 with komi 
asahin: players throw stones to each other
Nam [?\]: nice
daniug [2d\]: 7,5 i believe
theolddan [2d\]: not nice
Nam [?\]: why?
asahin: you cant do that on kgs
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;B[oh]C[snowy [1k\]: who is the one reviewing on stream ? puro?
]
;W[nj]
;B[oj]
;W[da]
;B[ca]C[noob1d [5d?\]: the reviewer is 3p, but made a mistake
WiteDragon [3k\]: Li Cong 2p
noob1d [5d?\]: he misread in bottom left
asahin: e15
WiteDragon [3k\]: or 3p
WiteDragon [3k\]: what mistake?
Nam [?\]: who is stronger?
Lice [4d\]: he misread upper left also..
noob1d [5d?\]: he said w e1 would make ko
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;W[ep]
;B[fp]C[noob1d [5d?\]: he missed b c1 i think
]
;W[cs]C[WestEvil [5k\]: w must die
]
;B[sl]
;W[sm]
;B[sk]C[Mogget [1d\]: Is o1 working working for white?
asahin: a good w is a dead w ?
snowy [1k\]: b really lost
rsun [4d\]: e1 c1 b1 also ko
snowy [1k\]: this   is    reality
NivCoan [2k\]: it no noob1d
Fabbo [7k?\]:  e11 sente
UlasBelh [3k\]: e15
Fabbo [7k?\]: for white
Nam [?\]: hey muttley
NivCoan [2k\]: he went over it before and it makes ko
Muttley [3k\]: hi
Nam [?\]: how are you lol
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;W[qa]C[NivCoan [2k\]: more likely you missed something
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;B[nb]C[Cez [4d\]: do i remember correctly that dame > than ko in aga ruleset?
Naphthalin [6k?\]: final one
rsun [4d\]: yes
jlm [1k\]: T11 last pt
Naphthalin [6k?\]: when there is 1 dame left, dame can be bigger than ko
rsun [4d\]: you want to leave the ko and fill the last dame
Cez [4d\]: right
noob1d [5d?\]: w+0,5
asahin: arent you a rule specialist rsun ?
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;W[si]C[phx [7k?\]: b+.5
rsun [4d\]: no, that is sum
Xylol [4k\]: 2 dame and ko left means i go for the ko?
asahin: oh right
rsun [4d\]: sum is the ruleset expert
Steuer09 [-\]: sum is rules-professional =)
Naphthalin [6k?\]: everyone is expert on KGS
asahin: he should right a book
kostuek [?\]: we are all experts
Steuer09 [-\]: he already wrote sveral books
negesog [7k\]: B+2.5
asahin: on rules
Mitty [2k\]: w+
Naphthalin [6k?\]: about rulesets?
Nam [?\]: w got some ko?
Xylol [4k\]: asahin thats a good idea
Steuer09 [-\]: no one wants to read them?
rsun [4d\]: he is the ruleset expert, but didn't write books on rulesets
kolayn112 [1k\]: b+11
Cez [4d\]: sum is not only a rules professional but stubborn cheater
Xylol [4k\]: all the go assosiations would buy one
Naphthalin [6k?\]: cheater is 1p
asahin: they totally would
Muttley [3k\]: Cez, that's not necessary, really
Song17 [4d?\]: he beat Ali last year
Xylol [4k\]: Cez thats not fair
Syxok [2d\]: sum is not cheating anymore
asahin: e15 j18 and gg ?
Song17 [4d?\]: Robert Jasiek
Cez [4d\]: glad to hear that syxok
snowy [1k\]: no0o0o0o0o0o0o0o
Song17 [4d?\]: in the weekend tourney
WiteDragon [3k\]: seems l13 was the game losing move
noob1d [5d?\]: final score will be w+2
Xylol [4k\]: knowing rules is cheating, hehe...
Syxok [2d\]: sum is also the only 5d egf who is 3d on kgs
rsun [4d\]: you mean by exploiting suicide in NZ rules?
poiuyt: w + 2,5
Xylol [4k\]: rsun he is referring to csaba jasiek case, sensei has written about it
Xylol [4k\]: or mero, sry.
Song17 [4d?\]: will be funny if all games in the finals will end with W+2.5
rsun [4d\]: even pros cheat
Muttley [3k\]: ok, all groups are safe, so now the yose can begin
rsun [4d\]: what can you expect
Xylol [4k\]: rsun, really?
rsun [4d\]: yes
asahin: like they had a stone in their bowls
Xylol [4k\]: Oo, any examples?
negesog [7k\]: B+2.5
Alenchon [6k\]: @Mutley, thank you, I was wondering when it wold
rsun [4d\]: iirc there was a pair go team who started to fill their own territory or something
Muttley [3k\]: you're welcome :)
Xylol [4k\]: W+27.75667
Xylol [4k\]: rsun thats pair go, its not that serious imho
rsun [4d\]: it was a tournament
Alife361 [2d?\]: Mutt, please, fine one more deciding ko!
Muttley [3k\]: hehe
Muttley [3k\]: a18!
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;B[ii]C[weiqidevil [-\]: why is it cheating if you are filling your own territory?
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;W[ee]C[Alife361 [2d?\]: Waw!
Alife361 [2d?\]: Hop they see it!
kostuek [?\]: everyone should cheat
poiuyt: its not a point extra
Xylol [4k\]: kostuek nobody should
Muttley [3k\]: a6!! even better.
poiuyt: after b e16
Naphthalin [6k?\]: NZ rules are like chinese but with suicide allowed?
poiuyt: w must defend
kmr [1d\]: J11 was bad move, Ilya in time trouble?
fyn [4k\]: also a different ko rule, I think
EGC2015a [-\]: W+Resign
Lice [4d\]: woooohooooo
fyn [4k\]: there are two complicated ko rules, china has one and nz the other
Tonight [3k?\]: Go aliiii
Xylol [4k\]: http://home.snafu.de/jasiek/bascomp.html
kostuek [?\]: gg
Xylol [4k\]: rule comparison
fyn [4k\]: hurrah for ali
Lice [4d\]: alialiali
Muttley [3k\]: excellent relay, thank you so much for your efforts
Xylol [4k\]: ty EGC
Tonight [3k?\]: Yala ali
resusou: great
Naphthalin [6k?\]: how is this W+Resign?
daniug [2d\]: ihaaa!
fyn [4k\]: thanks for the relay
Muttley [3k\]: Heck of a game :)
Naphthalin [6k?\]: ilya made a nuclear tesuji?
Muttley [3k\]: because Ilya can count
LycheeDole [10k\]: Thanks egc!
TurtleDove [5k\]: thx too
Tonight [3k?\]: Thank you
EGC2015a [-\]: Seeyouon final game
Naphthalin [6k?\]: @muttley: yes, after counting xD
shush [2d\]: great game 
Jaguire [4k\]: ali ftw
Alife361 [2d?\]: thanks
shush [2d\]: thank egc
Muttley [3k\]: exactly
Nyanjilla [-\]: Thanks for great relays!
Naphthalin [6k?\]: thx EGC for relaying the game
rsun [4d\]: in absolute time, you can fill your territory and hope to win on time, it's what they do on yahoo
Naphthalin [6k?\]: *also wants to write bold*
uolhdf: tx egc
Nyanjilla [-\]: awwww
rsun [4d\]: and even a few pros do that
Naphthalin [6k?\]: play on yahoo? :D
Xylol [4k\]: rsun, seems fair
Muttley [3k\]: Naphthalin.  King for a day!
Muttley [3k\]: ok, see you tomorrow in the final :)
RobertT [-\]: yahoo doesn't exist anymore
shush [2d\]: Ali is the real king
EGC2015a [-\]: bb
Xylol [4k\]: it is a punishment for playing absolutwe
Naphthalin [6k?\]: hm?
flobby [-\]: who won?
Xylol [4k\]: W+Res
flobby [-\]: thx
Song17 [4d?\]: chinese style resign
Xylol [4k\]: you welcome
Song17 [4d?\]: :P
resusou: ali=lisy=liya>pop=cornel
jlm [1k\]: What's up? Game over yet?
Naphthalin [6k?\]: yes
Naphthalin [6k?\]: b resigned
Naphthalin [6k?\]: i think w+4,5 here
Naphthalin [6k?\]: after playing it out
negesog [7k\]: I cont +2.5for b
Naphthalin [6k?\]: then count again negesog ;)
Naphthalin [6k?\]: and btw, using SE isn't counting
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