(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[3x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Championship 2015 (Top 24) - r1 - Taranu(W) vs. Lin(B)]PW[Catalin Taranu]PB[Viktor Lin]WR[5p]BR[6d]DT[2015-07-26]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Muttley [3k\]: Go Viktor!
Xylol [4k\]: Muttley +1
Woods [6d\]: Yaaaay.the master is back!
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[pd]
;W[dc]
;B[pq]C[Muttley [3k\]: Viktor you mean?
Xylol [4k\]: 2590 vs 2686 GoR
]
;W[dp]C[Xylol [4k\]: Kobayashi
Woods [6d\]: there is only one true master in europe
Muttley [3k\]: Well, he ought to be too strong for Viktor, but let's see
]
;B[fq]
;W[cn]
;B[jq]C[Xylol [4k\]: r6 
Muttley [3k\]: k3 really?
Xylol [4k\]: I have seen it before
]
;W[qn]C[Xylol [4k\]: q5 
]
;B[pl]C[gogonuts [4d\]: q8 smells like a trap
gogonuts [4d\]: hard to play r3 now
Xylol [4k\]: k3 indicates b prepared this
gogonuts [4d\]: maybe w will just jump to p6
]
;W[qq]C[gogonuts [4d\]: played it anyways
]
;B[qp]
;W[pp]C[gogonuts [4d\]: "show me" :-)
]
;B[qr]
;W[rq]
;B[po]
;W[op]
;B[qo]C[Xylol [4k\]: why is b giving away the corner, because his stones on left are low?
]
;W[oq]
;B[pr]
;W[rr]
;B[or]
;W[nr]
;B[mr]
;W[nq]
;B[ns]C[gogonuts [4d\]: not giving away
]
;W[os]
;B[ps]C[gogonuts [4d\]: its the only way to defend them
gogonuts [4d\]: a very messy variation
Xylol [4k\]: :-)
Muttley [3k\]: I could lose the white or the black stones here
]
;W[rs]
;B[ms]
;W[lq]
;B[kr]
;W[lr]
;B[ls]
;W[mq]
;B[ks]C[Xylol [4k\]: Oo
]
;W[ro]C[Muttley [3k\]: 1st line moyo
gogonuts [4d\]: muttley, you are the artist
Muttley [3k\]: hehe
Xylol [4k\]: q6 and now the o3 are weak, arent they?
]
;B[rp]
;W[sp]
;B[rn]
;W[so]
;B[pn]
;W[qm]
;B[rm]
;W[ql]
;B[qk]
;W[rl]
;B[rk]
;W[sm]
;B[pm]
;W[sn]C[Muttley [3k\]: p10?
]
;B[jo]C[Xylol [4k\]: i would lose o3 stones 100%
Dupaaxe [?\]: Look like short game :(
Xylol [4k\]: Dupaaxe i fear this is joseki
Dupaaxe [?\]: Joseki? What joseki ?
ofbusy [-\]: i cant believe its equal
Dupaaxe [?\]: Look verry good for black
ofbusy [-\]: sure
gogonuts [4d\]: w got into this mess deliberately with r3
EGC2015c [-\]: Pairing 1st round: http://egc2015.cz/results/main
Xylol [4k\]: r3 is ok
Xylol [4k\]: white is missing a stone around p7
Xylol [4k\]: the right side went wrong
]
;W[ln]
;B[oj]C[Xylol [4k\]: EGC2015c, why is Dinerstein playing as 8d?
Xylol [4k\]: ah ok, all pros get 8d in this list.
Dupaaxe [?\]: Where is his game ? :)
Xylol [4k\]: eurogotv has ended? :-\\
Muttley [3k\]: Not being relayed it appears, unless it is in the fifth relay I didn't see
]
;W[km]C[Muttley [3k\]: Yes, Harry stopped doing it
Xylol [4k\]: to bad, it was nice to see the players.
]
;B[nc]C[Xylol [4k\]: o17 vs l7 is painful
gogonuts [4d\]: too bad about eurogotv
Xylol [4k\]: +1
gogonuts [4d\]: he had also added a nice guess the next move feature
gogonuts [4d\]: but the chat didnt work smoothly with many people
Dupaaxe [?\]: You can see something here": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DarYltFz_3w
gogonuts [4d\]: and saying stupid things is the most important for kibitzes :-)
Xylol [4k\]: he should upload the movies to youtube
Xylol [4k\]: haha live streaming is forbidden in my country.
Xylol [4k\]: but thx Dupaaxe
fatih [4d?\]: seems like black has an excellent opening
Xylol [4k\]: w played wrong and let b get q7 wall
gogonuts [4d\]: I blame r3
Xylol [4k\]: r3 was played by pros before
Xylol [4k\]: locally it should be fine
gogonuts [4d\]: when teh trap was new? :-)
Xylol [4k\]: :-)
Muttley [3k\]: I don't get it either, why w would chose this position
Xylol [4k\]: usually it is not bad to push your opponent on the 1st line :-)
Muttley [3k\]: it is when its your base you're eating out
Xylol [4k\]: dont use big words on me :-P
Muttley [3k\]: hehe
]
;W[jd]
;B[im]C[gogonuts [4d\]: d15 looks pleasnt for b now
gogonuts [4d\]: hm
gogonuts [4d\]: w didnt have anything against bs stones here
Muttley [3k\]: isn't the point to wander into white's moyo by pressuring white's group?
gogonuts [4d\]: so even though J7 will prob be sente, I'm not convinced the timing is good
Muttley [3k\]: rather than risk getting attacked by playing in directly?
gogonuts [4d\]: i guess it's in the spirit of simplifying a good position - but you can easily take that too far
gogonuts [4d\]: simplifying into a loss :-)
Muttley [3k\]: you can arghe if w L9 b j9 w is on dame
Muttley [3k\]: argue
EGC2015d [-\]: w: 2 hours, b:2:20
Dupaaxe [?\]: I don`t see a good move for W
Muttley [3k\]: ask yourself "does j6 work?"
Dupaaxe [?\]: OMG that look suicidal ...
Dupaaxe [?\]: maybe k8:(
gogonuts [4d\]: not easy to see what the best defensive move is, but if w is calculating this hard, he's probably got tenuki on his mind :-)
gogonuts [4d\]: having b mess up the attack after tenuki would be a nice way to get back into the game :-)
]
;W[kj]C[Xylol [4k\]: hehe i was thinking about this one
RaduStefan: the proper move
Dupaaxe [?\]: kakari I guess
Dupaaxe [?\]: for B
Dupaaxe [?\]: k16 is verry good
]
;B[cf]
;W[cd]
;B[dj]
;W[dr]C[Dupaaxe [?\]: :)
]
;B[ed]
;W[de]
;B[ec]
;W[db]
;B[hd]
;W[jf]
;B[hf]C[Muttley [3k\]: b made 2 new groups with 5 moves, interesting
Artjom [3k\]: w has not so many points
Artjom [3k\]: need an active plan)
Dupaaxe [?\]: Now is all about hunting dragons...
gogonuts [4d\]: w needs a reult in the ur
gogonuts [4d\]: a different result then nothing :-)
fatih [4d?\]: i bet for white s16 now :)
Artjom [3k\]: invasion is absolutely right wayt for W
Artjom [3k\]: in UR of course
Muttley [3k\]: r16 and crosscut
fj [6d\]: W is the type of player for K11 now
Neamtujose [3k\]: or J11 ...
Xylol [4k\]: J12 no way?
Neamtujose [3k\]: could be ...
Neamtujose [3k\]: bets?
daniug [2d\]: lin favourite
Dupaaxe [?\]: lin almost win :)
fj [6d\]: well... I almost won so many games ;-)
Neamtujose [3k\]: mee too
Artjom [3k\]: don't bevieve Lin will win taranu is strong
Dupaaxe [?\]: So... what is to hunt for w ?
darkronin [2k?\]: I bet on white, i like games against the odds :-)
Warfreak2 [-\]: gooooo vicky!
PaCon [4k\]: first think almost... later losing...
Neamtujose [3k\]: w k11 b e13 w r14
Dupaaxe [?\]: k 11 don`t make points
Xylol [4k\]: r14?
]
;W[ij]C[Xylol [4k\]: r15 would be at hand
Neamtujose [3k\]: almost hit
Dupaaxe [?\]: Good job at guesing for German Hose :))
]
;B[bd]C[Neamtujose [3k\]: b is afraid
Neamtujose [3k\]: first step to lose
Xylol [4k\]: how can you tell?
Xylol [4k\]: b15?
Neamtujose [3k\]: no
]
;W[be]
;B[ce]
;W[bc]C[Dupaaxe [?\]: :))
Neamtujose [3k\]: but yes ...
darkronin [2k?\]: Omg Catalin stahp.. What are you doing?!
Xylol [4k\]: why not wb14 instead of b17?
Neamtujose [3k\]: w has other plans than me .. :-)
Warfreak2 [-\]: catalin is taking the points
Neamtujose [3k\]: now b D16?
Xylol [4k\]: r16 is big for b
]
;B[er]
;W[dd]C[darkronin [2k?\]: Need to connect his 2 groups, so i bet on d16
]
;B[bf]
;W[ad]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: poor vicky
Xylol [4k\]: c8?
]
;B[cr]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: w d16 is so painful
Dupaaxe [?\]: e2 look like a mistake
Warfreak2 [-\]: it does
PaCon [4k\]: they are fighting for sente difficult to count
]
;W[dq]
;B[ds]
;W[cq]C[Xylol [4k\]: h14 k14 will fight as they both arent alive yet?
]
;B[cl]C[Artjom [3k\]: taranu? nooooooooooooooooo
Xylol [4k\]: i like c8
Muttley [3k\]: I have b about 10 ahead at the moment, ignoring all group status
Xylol [4k\]: how much komi do they play 6.5?
]
;W[fp]C[Muttley [3k\]: I didn't check, I guessed 6.5
]
;B[gp]C[Xylol [4k\]: rules japanesE?
darkronin [2k?\]: "B leading by 70 points... Except two of his groups are dead" XD
Neamtujose [3k\]: b wants to close the game, but i think is too passive
Xylol [4k\]: AGA 7.5?
Muttley [3k\]: it also assumes b keeps the right, which isn't really reasonable
EGC2015d [-\]: komi is 7.5
EGC2015d [-\]: AGA rules
Xylol [4k\]: thx EGC
Dupaaxe [?\]: The play on chinesse rules ??
Xylol [4k\]: AGA rules Dupaaxe
Dupaaxe [?\]: Hm...
]
;W[di]C[PaCon [4k\]: "The map is not the territory" Korzybski said.
Neamtujose [3k\]: bC11?
Xylol [4k\]: think so
Dupaaxe [?\]: Hard to respond for B. 
Muttley [3k\]: but you do have to respond
Dupaaxe [?\]: If D16 was B easy ...
Xylol [4k\]: d12 possible?
Neamtujose [3k\]: i think yes
darkronin [2k?\]: Hmm didn't know of that shape
darkronin [2k?\]: Hope they play it then :-)
Xylol [4k\]: well b is searching something better than c11 i guess
Dupaaxe [?\]: To many egg in the air for B
darkronin [2k?\]: Nice image XD
Dupaaxe [?\]: I count 3 :)
]
;B[ci]
;W[ch]C[Xylol [4k\]: didnt expect that
]
;B[dh]C[Neamtujose [3k\]: is Catalin style
]
;W[ei]
;B[eh]C[Xylol [4k\]: this game is gonna fighty fight
]
;W[cj]
;B[bi]C[Neamtujose [3k\]: w E10 or F12?
]
;W[bh]
;B[bj]
;W[fh]C[Xylol [4k\]: d14 e15 f15 
Xylol [4k\]: nvm
gogonuts [4d\]: i wonder why b didnt cut at d16 in sente when he had the chance
darkronin [2k?\]: Yup
Xylol [4k\]: there was no territory on the left side at that moment
Xylol [4k\]: but he could have connected the center groups
Neamtujose [3k\]: b was made a big mistke with E2
gogonuts [4d\]: it certainly has become complicated again
Xylol [4k\]: e2 enabled c8 for him
Neamtujose [3k\]: now ... b e14 repair the mistake?
bumblefoot [2k\]: is there any aji at g3? i'm starring at that point for a while now
Neamtujose [3k\]: no ...
Neamtujose [3k\]: g3 g2 h3 h2 aso
bumblefoot [2k\]: pai da da asa, nu te iau?
bumblefoot [2k\]: cu sacrificiu a e1?
Neamtujose [3k\]: nu cred
bumblefoot [2k\]: si cu amenintarea la j2?
Neamtujose [3k\]: stai sa vad
bumblefoot [2k\]: pe tot grupuletul ala de pe dreapta?
]
;B[fg]C[bumblefoot [2k\]: eu nu sunt in stare sa citesc asa departe
]
;W[dg]
;B[eg]C[Neamtujose [3k\]: nu merge
]
;W[df]C[bumblefoot [2k\]: kok sarna
RaduStefan: salut, not polite to discuss in romanian on this chat. you can clone the game if you want to discuss it privately
PaCon [4k\]: may be e2 was more important (for B) for the strengh of that group at the bottom, gogonuts, than the sente of the top
Neamtujose [3k\]: i entered in offline menu, but i think g3/j2 is unreasonable
bumblefoot [2k\]: so if i can not speak english i'm not allowed to say anithing?
bumblefoot [2k\]: anything*?
RaduStefan: g3 is not an option. maybe a ko threat later in the game
Xylol [4k\]: its fine bublefoot
Xylol [4k\]: we love all our kgs users
Xylol [4k\]: bumblefoot*
darkronin [2k?\]: Haha
]
;B[fi]C[bumblefoot [2k\]: i just don't see why it is rude. it's full of international users
]
;W[ej]C[Adin [1k\]: chat in any language is allowed on kgs, but if you can speak english that is nicer to the other users
Xylol [4k\]: sacrificing b14?
RaduStefan: that is indeed nicer. 
]
;B[dk]C[bumblefoot [2k\]: i'll be nicer then
Neamtujose [3k\]: was a chat between fellows, so please undrestand that
Baobab [2d\]: there's private chat for this
Adin [1k\]: let's get back to game pls :)
RaduStefan: I never said it's not allowed. :) I simply said that it's not polite. a chat between fellows can be private.
]
;W[fj]
;B[gh]
;W[gj]C[Neamtujose [3k\]: yeah but here is simplier
Xylol [4k\]:  sacrificing b14? why
darkronin [2k?\]: White has many eggs now too? :(
Xylol [4k\]: r16 
RaduStefan: I now wonder if we're even gna see R16 
RaduStefan: ever gonna*
]
;B[fo]C[Artjom [3k\]: yes
Artjom [3k\]: (((
Baobab [2d\]: yeah w has to try something in r16 area
Xylol [4k\]: whats f5 doing?
fatih [4d?\]: a13 or b9 will be big endgame moves
PaCon [4k\]: R16 is a big endgame move
Baobab [2d\]: b7 looks bigger than b9 but locally b9 is cool to keep sente
Xylol [4k\]: r15 for black
PaCon [4k\]: r15 or r16 may be too slow for now.
Neamtujose [3k\]: w e4 now?
]
;W[en]C[Xylol [4k\]: i dont get f5 at all
Neamtujose [3k\]: indeed, wasn necessary ...
]
;B[qe]C[Xylol [4k\]: good this one i understand
]
;W[bm]
;B[bl]C[georgee [2d\]: tenuki :)
EGC2015d [-\]: b 1:55 w 1:25 time left
Xylol [4k\]: EGC how are the faces, are both happy with their game?
grumpy [4k\]: :))
EGC2015d [-\]: i am not able to read their feeling, but Catalin looks busy
Neamtujose [3k\]: w R12?
Xylol [4k\]: thanks
]
;W[fe]C[Neamtujose [3k\]: if Catalin will split the groups on the right, it will an egual game
Neamtujose [3k\]: it will be ...
daniug [2d\]: the right seems b moyo:D
]
;B[ee]C[PaCon [4k\]: if not kill f13
Xylol [4k\]: e14 f14 f17 
]
;W[gc]C[Neamtujose [3k\]: i think QR is a way to invade
tonyho [1d\]: g17!!
Xylol [4k\]: whites weak o3 group got connected to 2 other runnign groups, this is gonna pay off
Neamtujose [3k\]: now b plays inside, which is unpleasant for him
]
;B[gd]
;W[fb]C[Neamtujose [3k\]: is tricky for b
darkronin [2k?\]: Nice this f18
Neamtujose [3k\]: yes ...
]
;B[ag]
;W[cg]C[Neamtujose [3k\]: good for w
daniug [2d\]: h18
daniug [2d\]: 16
Xylol [4k\]: a12 e14 
tonyho [1d\]: actually can a11 kill b?
Neamtujose [3k\]: no
]
;B[ef]C[RaduStefan: no, e8 is instant life for B
Neamtujose [3k\]: w H12 or J12?
PaCon [4k\]: is w g10 killing e15-group?
Xylol [4k\]: e15 is alive
Neamtujose [3k\]: with H13 no ...
Xylol [4k\]: h13 g11 g13 j13 h12 h11 j12 h10 h9 g9 
Xylol [4k\]: oh it is self atari
Xylol [4k\]: nvm
Neamtujose [3k\]: you right ...
Neamtujose [3k\]: so w will invade on the right?
Xylol [4k\]: h17 is big
PaCon [4k\]: h17 not sente if the group is alive
Neamtujose [3k\]: bigger than QR12?
Xylol [4k\]: you want to play QR12 with j10 l10 k14 floating around?
grumpy [4k\]: I think R12 is too deep...
Xylol [4k\]: A12 is 11 points
Warfreak2 [-\]: hey, vicky, you're so fine, you're so fine you blow my mind, hey vicky! hey vicky!
Xylol [4k\]: hey vicky hey
Xylol [4k\]: wf2 any comment on the game, what would you play as w?
Dupaaxe [?\]: time ?
RaduStefan: resign button
negesog [7k\]: A12 loose sente
Warfreak2 [-\]: correct move for w is to lose on time
PaCon [4k\]: later vicky leaks
Xylol [4k\]: why did you deactivate your rank?
Warfreak2 [-\]: what rank? i don't have a rank.
Warfreak2 [-\]: i exist outside of spacetime.
RaduStefan: Q14 is the rock'n'roll move
Xylol [4k\]: it was a long we for u i c
Xylol [4k\]: i would love h17
RaduStefan: I'd go for Q14 and go down in glory & style
negesog [7k\]: P12???
Neamtujose [3k\]: i think w invites b to put A12
daniug [2d\]: time to reduce the right now
daniug [2d\]: in sente
daniug [2d\]: and a12 after that
negesog [7k\]: No p13
RaduStefan: my point exactly daniug
Neamtujose [3k\]: B11 group can be killed
RaduStefan: the time for A12 is yet to come.
Neamtujose [3k\]: with a little preparation
EGC2015d [-\]: b 1:48 w 1:08 time left
Xylol [4k\]: how you kill b11?
Warfreak2 [-\]: there is death in the hane
Dupaaxe [?\]: tx
Neamtujose [3k\]: if b put on A2
PaCon [4k\]: P12 is normal if you have enough points
RaduStefan: if W P12 then B R12 with a big "F U
Xylol [4k\]: it is 1m byo-yomi this will be fun endgame
RaduStefan: "
Neamtujose [3k\]: C10 can be extended on C9 an b has 1 eye
Warfreak2 [-\]: it's vicky to rock a rhyme, to rock a rhyme that's right on time it's vicky
Dupaaxe [?\]: w is too week in center. So can`t attack East wel :(
Neamtujose [3k\]: indeed
Neamtujose [3k\]: w E 8 is sente
Neamtujose [3k\]: E 4 is sente
Neamtujose [3k\]: J13 is sente
shayn [1d\]: w going to reduce b upper right side?
Neamtujose [3k\]: many ways to trenght the center
Neamtujose [3k\]: dont know ...
shayn [1d\]: very big
Neamtujose [3k\]: huge
shayn [1d\]: something like p12
PaCon [4k\]: may be reducing is to small
daniug [2d\]: hard to invade though deep on the 3rd or 4th line
grumpy [4k\]: how about time?
shayn [1d\]: cant invade
grumpy [4k\]: sorry: what about time?
shayn [1d\]: p12
shayn [1d\]: ?
darkronin [2k?\]: Lunch break now?
EGC2015d [-\]: b 1:48 w 0:57 left
]
;W[qc]C[Neamtujose [3k\]: ouch ...
Xylol [4k\]: i dont get why everyone likes corners
Xylol [4k\]: no matter how much you invest, theres still something possible...
shayn [1d\]: can w live?
Xylol [4k\]: i hope not
Neamtujose [3k\]: no
EGC2015d [-\]: no break, Viktor was long time away and Catalin thinks a lot
Neamtujose [3k\]: is a catch ...
]
;B[pc]
;W[re]C[Neamtujose [3k\]: yes ...
]
;B[rd]C[Neamtujose [3k\]: R14
]
;W[qf]C[Neamtujose [3k\]: time to rock
]
;B[rf]
;W[rg]
;B[se]C[Xylol [4k\]: i would have lost the corner and the side...
stj1997 [1d\]: that's impossible
Xylol [4k\]: we should play stj :-P
Neamtujose [3k\]: now Q group is weak ...
Xylol [4k\]: weak?
Xylol [4k\]: is a bit harsh to say
Neamtujose [3k\]: no eye, no base ...
Xylol [4k\]: and RS 14/13
Xylol [4k\]: are safe?
Neamtujose [3k\]: unsafe bu unimportant
Neamtujose [3k\]: now Q 12 for w?
Xylol [4k\]: Q group not in danger as they arent safe
stj1997 [1d\]: p12?
Neamtujose [3k\]: maybe ...
Xylol [4k\]: well you see my rank so all is guessing
Xylol [4k\]: by my side.
Neamtujose [3k\]: rank not important now
Neamtujose [3k\]: lets see
josekimq [1d\]: p13
Xylol [4k\]: q12?
negesog [7k\]: I think p13 better than q12
stj1997 [1d\]: white should find a chance to go for s11?
EGC2015d [-\]: b 1:47 w 0:41 left
Neamtujose [3k\]: pQ12
]
;W[og]C[Neamtujose [3k\]: ups
Xylol [4k\]: couldnt black fight with his Q group against p13 stones and all the other weak groups in the middle
Warfreak2 [-\]: n13 automatic move
Xylol [4k\]: sry wf2 i never now when you are serious.
Xylol [4k\]: know*
Warfreak2 [-\]: i am never serious
Neamtujose [3k\]: hehe
Xylol [4k\]: at least youre not serious when saying this.
Neamtujose [3k\]: is good
]
;B[oh]C[RaduStefan: N13 O11 and black unhappy. 
Neamtujose [3k\]: now Q12 or O12 for w?
Neamtujose [3k\]: i think Q12
Hellbaby [11k\]: me estoy poniendo nerviosA.......
ofbusy [-\]: w slowly turns the game in his favor..
Xylol [4k\]: w is pro
bumblefoot [2k\]: if b lives with the group (very likely) and white manages to take b14 stones is there all about yose then? 
]
;W[ph]C[Neamtujose [3k\]: think so ...
]
;B[nh]
;W[ri]
;B[pi]C[Neamtujose [3k\]: was nicer for w to put Q11 ...
ofbusy [-\]: w q9 will be a good question cause w could connect without ko then
Neamtujose [3k\]: interesting fight
Neamtujose [3k\]: w R12?
Dupaaxe [?\]: Not a fight I think ...
josekimq [1d\]: r11
]
;W[pg]C[darkronin [2k?\]: Yay my move
Xylol [4k\]: o13 
Xylol [4k\]: and then fight the w middle
]
;B[jk]C[josekimq [1d\]: but if white fight in middle why s11 ???
]
;W[kk]C[Neamtujose [3k\]: b cut?
]
;B[ng]
;W[sk]
;B[br]C[RaduStefan: e8?
josekimq [1d\]: f8
EGC2015d [-\]: b 1:40 w 0:23 left
Xylol [4k\]: ty
Xylol [4k\]: b should use that time for a flawless endgame
]
;W[fn]C[tonyho [1d\]: a11
ofbusy [-\]: a11 seems ok to me
]
;B[gn]
;W[gm]
;B[hm]
;W[ek]C[Xylol [4k\]: f7 
]
;B[el]
;W[fl]
;B[ai]C[Xylol [4k\]: could b attack k14 now?
Xylol [4k\]: or is it miai for w to connect on top or to the middle
Artjom [3k\]: miai
]
;W[rj]C[ofbusy [-\]: expending b s top territory seems more important to me than try to separate
]
;B[qj]C[Xylol [4k\]: h17
EGC2015d [-\]: b 1:35 w 0:17 left
Xylol [4k\]: even w clock says 17
]
;W[jc]
;B[kb]
;W[hg]C[Neamtujose [3k\]: yessss 
whitespark [2k\]: uh oh
]
;B[gg]C[whitespark [2k\]: G11?
negesog [7k\]: G11 j12
negesog [7k\]: Or j13
whitespark [2k\]: and death?
]
;W[jb]C[negesog [7k\]: ????
]
;B[fc]C[ofbusy [-\]: hm w doesnt want to take the risk but b must add a move
josekimq [1d\]: white must make points
Xylol [4k\]: w about 37, b 48
]
;W[hb]C[josekimq [1d\]: 37??
stj1997 [1d\]: i don't see 37 XD
Xylol [4k\]: a12 is 5.5, 6.5 komi
whitespark [2k\]: more like 28
RaduStefan: I see less than 30.
Xylol [4k\]: +3 captures
ofbusy [-\]: 37 without counting possibility to take b14 
Xylol [4k\]: i count half of it so 5.5
ofbusy [-\]: which becomes big soon expected
]
;B[ig]
;W[mb]C[RaduStefan: black 55. white 30. 
]
;B[nb]C[georgee [2d\]: lol
ofbusy [-\]: c'mon take the stones !
]
;W[lc]
;B[ah]C[Muttley [3k\]: b is about +6.5 is w takes the stones
]
;W[na]C[Muttley [3k\]: if
]
;B[oa]
;W[ma]C[Muttley [3k\]: this should be unwinnable for white
]
;B[ob]
;W[bq]C[wefawfsadf: could white launch some kind of attack against Q8 group and get a bit of profit from that?
]
;B[ld]
;W[kd]
;B[ar]C[Muttley [3k\]: there's the vacant area adound n8, so its plausible w could try to make points over black here
]
;W[hl]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: haha, roln is here watching because his own game ended so long ago
Muttley [3k\]: so, b can still lose this in yose, I think
wefawfsadf: who did roln play? did he win?
Warfreak2 [-\]: ofc he won
Muttley [3k\]: Jan Prokop, 5d
]
;B[jm]
;W[qs]C[Hobbes [1k\]: the funny thing is that he is using kgs instead of...walking... maybe he is already relaxing in his room
]
;B[os]C[Becubio [4k\]: well, W wins by 15 or more
wefawfsadf: I'm thinking B wins by at least 10
]
;W[jp]
;B[ip]
;W[kp]C[Muttley [3k\]: there's no way w is ahead on the board, here
Muttley [3k\]: k4 is sharp though
EGC2015d [-\]: w 5 minutes left
Muttley [3k\]: I don't think its possible to say who will win, depends on who plays the better yose here
liusasori [4d\]: b around 52 w around 48.5 in my count
wefawfsadf: well, such estimates of who's winning here are based on one's own expectation of how the yose will go
Muttley [3k\]: I have a bad feeling about this for Viktor
]
;B[ir]C[Becubio [4k\]: n17 for b is too small???
Muttley [3k\]: you have to defend at the bottom
RaduStefan: e4 is getting big. 
]
;W[nl]C[Muttley [3k\]: this is the real problem, w can make significant territory over b here
Becubio [4k\]: i like for W 16
ofbusy [-\]: hm he could even make a significant kill :)
Becubio [4k\]: 5 minuts means 20 minuts or more?
]
;B[of]C[RaduStefan: r11 now
RaduStefan: q14 afterwards.
Becubio [4k\]: q14 gives power for n16
]
;W[pf]C[Becubio [4k\]: so, first q14
]
;B[md]
;W[mc]C[Neamtujose [3k\]: b loses
AA [7k\]: q15 r11 does not work very well for black
ofbusy [-\]: n16 was funny - and nice
Becubio [4k\]: yes... or q15 or r11, he is in a tramp made by himself
wefawfsadf: hmm, N17 should have been black's move in any scenario? :o
]
;B[pe]C[ofbusy [-\]: well b m18  kills if w doesnt add n17 if thats what you mean
]
;W[qi]C[wefawfsadf: now white got that in sente even
]
;B[nk]C[AA [7k\]: suppose black has no choice here
]
;W[ol]
;B[ok]C[EGC2015d [-\]: w in byoomi
]
;W[pk]
;B[pj]
;W[oo]
;B[sg]
;W[rh]C[Artjom [3k\]: still o14 is a good temp
Artjom [3k\]: for W
Neamtujose [3k\]: b is on turn
Artjom [3k\]: m13 
Artjom [3k\]: o7 
]
;B[nm]C[ofbusy [-\]: m13 for me too
]
;W[ml]
;B[nn]
;W[nf]C[Artjom [3k\]: good temp!
]
;B[ko]
;W[lo]C[AA [7k\]: black might sacrifice that stone
]
;B[mf]
;W[oe]C[georgee [2d\]: w is ahead now 2-3 points
stj1997 [1d\]: not might
stj1997 [1d\]: it is a must
Artjom [3k\]: must sacrifice
Artjom [3k\]: yeah
]
;B[lg]C[Artjom [3k\]: o16 
wefawfsadf: o16 bad timing
Neamtujose [3k\]: nope
]
;W[eo]C[wefawfsadf: black will just make eyes to center if w o16
]
;B[go]C[AA [7k\]: right, o16 loses points
wefawfsadf: white should threaten to remove eye potential in the middle, to force black to connect
]
;W[eq]C[Artjom [3k\]: o11 n12 \\
Artjom [3k\]: or kind of there)))
wefawfsadf: so white can make a few points in the middle
]
;B[fr]
;W[mk]
;B[ik]C[Neamtujose [3k\]: this fight will finish in komi
]
;W[em]
;B[dl]C[EGC2015d [-\]: one period of byoomi lost
]
;W[aq]
;B[hc]
;W[gb]
;B[hk]
;W[gk]C[mooooo [4k\]: i victor ahead?
wefawfsadf: though black has the bK13 connection as well, so wO16 is points mostly for now
mooooo [4k\]: viKtor sorry
]
;B[ne]C[wefawfsadf: I clicked through yose offline and got W+0.5, though the validity of that playthough is not very accurate
]
;W[mj]C[wefawfsadf: I guess we'll get to see white's feeling of whether he's ahead depending of if he's going to decide to play this ko
bbred [3k\]: chinese counting?
Prodigious [-\]: AGA
bbred [3k\]: meaning?
wefawfsadf: isn't wK6 vs bL6 becoming a bit huge double sente by now?
]
;B[ii]C[RaduStefan: w K6 b J5 = gote
Muttley [3k\]: b is at 48 now, w 47.5 :))
]
;W[no]
;B[kq]
;W[lp]C[Muttley [3k\]: oh, there's a couple more points
Muttley [3k\]: w's going to win this in yose
tonyho [1d\]: l6
Fredda [?\]: B 51
]
;B[of]C[Fredda [?\]: W 50ish
wefawfsadf: now WL6
Muttley [3k\]: yeah, effectively its a half point game, give or take
]
;W[jh]C[Fredda [?\]: I think b+2.5 finally
ofbusy [-\]: i count 1-2 points for b too
Neamtujose [3k\]: 0.5 for b
bbred [3k\]: Chineese counting?
]
;B[hj]C[Muttley [3k\]: I wonder if w loses points with these ko threats
]
;W[gi]
;B[hi]C[ofbusy [-\]: b h10 seemed like a small gain for b
tonyho [1d\]: b weakness gone
]
;W[kn]C[wefawfsadf: good white
ofbusy [-\]: finishing the ko should be enough to win
wefawfsadf: black would have had time to get l6 in sente earlier
tonyho [1d\]: p16?
daniug [2d\]: connect and win
]
;B[jn]
;W[nf]
;B[eb]
;W[ea]
;B[of]C[Artjom [3k\]: W has more ko threats it seems
]
;W[om]
;B[on]
;W[nf]C[wefawfsadf: ko threats not good enough, must have go threats that gain points while played
wefawfsadf: black has more of those
wefawfsadf: *ko
EGC2015d [-\]: second period of byoomi lost by w, b has 1 hour left
]
;B[ic]
;W[ib]
;B[of]C[negesog [7k\]: Who is ahead?
wefawfsadf: W has threats like E1 and C1, but painful to play those when black gets to play threats that get points at the same time
tonyho [1d\]: why j18?
Artjom [3k\]: negesog count points it's not that hard
Fredda [?\]: My earlier counting was bad
]
;W[gq]C[Fredda [?\]: Seems w might be slightly ahead if he win ko
wefawfsadf: J18 is an extra point
Fredda [?\]: Might be half point game
wefawfsadf: I don't understand this move :(
AA [7k\]: or even closer
tonyho [1d\]: g2 needed
wefawfsadf: not sure worth it to move the ko bigger
]
;B[gr]
;W[nf]
;B[da]
;W[fa]
;B[of]
;W[ni]
;B[oi]
;W[nf]
;B[sj]
;W[si]
;B[of]C[Neamtujose [3k\]: e1
Artjom [3k\]: c1 first
Neamtujose [3k\]: no
tonyho [1d\]: only 3 more for w
wefawfsadf: e1 better
Neamtujose [3k\]: e1
]
;W[ie]C[Artjom [3k\]: e1 = c1 for W = -1 ko threat
RaduStefan: wrong.
AA [7k\]: its the same ?
slim76 [1k\]: 2 threats anyway
ofbusy [-\]: well b shouldnt answer this imo
RaduStefan: if e1 c1. then b1 is still a ko threat.
tonyho [1d\]: m11
Artjom [3k\]: oh i see 2 anyway
Artjom [3k\]: thx
Hellbaby [11k\]: akashi¿
Neamtujose [3k\]: break?
akashi [-\]: :)
georgee [2d\]: isn't t 10 losing 1 point??
Hellbaby [11k\]: que interesante se esta poniendo XD
Artjom [3k\]: t10 was a ko
gogonuts [4d\]: small lead for b?
akashi [-\]: los ko siempre son geniales
akashi [-\]: en especial cuando son bien jugados
daniug [2d\]: 4-5 points i counted
RaduStefan: t10 not losing 1p because t12 is not an option anymore. and that would have been 1p in sente. 
georgee [2d\]: but b can pplay later t12
georgee [2d\]: withput plying t10
georgee [2d\]: without*
bumblefoot [2k\]: EGC how much time for w?
]
;B[nf]
;W[he]
;B[ge]C[RaduStefan: but is t12 gaining 1p in sente later in the game? I guess not. so t10 is not losing 1p. there was not time for b to play t12 in the game. 
]
;W[if]
;B[hh]C[Hellbaby [11k\]: ufff
RaduStefan: t10 is okay I think. considering the situation on board.
grumpy [4k\]: Bumble - I think is 3rd byo-yomi period
bumblefoot [2k\]: thx
grumpy [4k\]: EGC wrote earlier he lost 2nd period
bumblefoot [2k\]: didn't see that
]
;W[li]
;B[dm]
;W[dn]C[tonyho [1d\]: k10?
Neamtujose [3k\]: close game i am afraid b will win
stj1997 [1d\]: B+
tonyho [1d\]: j8 and l8
Fredda [?\]: W 52.5 B 54
]
;B[al]
;W[am]C[RaduStefan: I have B+2.5
Warfreak2 [-\]: super vicky
Ten [?\]: 2.5 seems about right
grumpy [4k\]: B1.5-2.5 but I still hopw W will win :)
grumpy [4k\]: *hope
haversin: f9?
stj1997 [1d\]: c7
markordel [4d?\]: l8 first
Hellbaby [11k\]: time black?
grumpy [4k\]: enough
Hellbaby [11k\]: ...
grumpy [4k\]: @move 234, b still have had 1 hour
]
;B[cm]
;W[bn]
;B[ke]
;W[kf]
;B[lf]C[wefawfsadf: I get B+1.5
]
;W[mm]C[Muttley [3k\]: Viktor for EGC champion!
Artjom [3k\]: We already have one champion
]
;B[kl]C[RaduStefan: k10
]
;W[mn]C[wefawfsadf: why is Ten not playing in EGC? :(
]
;B[pk]
;W[ll]C[RaduStefan: j8 and then k10
]
;B[mh]C[josekimq [1d\]: i think p5 wrong
]
;W[jj]C[Liso66 [?\]: why is fredda not playing? 
]
;B[mi]
;W[nj]
;B[kh]C[Ten [?\]: Huh, black just lost at least one point
]
;W[ki]C[RaduStefan: yeap.
grumpy [4k\]: w+0.5?
Ten [?\]: Still enough for a half-pointer huh
]
;B[jg]
;W[kg]
;B[lh]
;W[ji]C[Muttley [3k\]: I'll explain it all to Viktor after
]
;B[ih]C[Artjom [3k\]: B+1.5)
grumpy [4k\]: :(
georgee [2d\]: :))
Namii [6d\]: 0 pts in gote
]
;W[jl]
;B[il]
;W[gl]
;B[fh]C[Artjom [3k\]: a15 ?
]
;W[ae]
;B[ep]
;W[kl]C[Namii [6d\]: well I guess w had L12 there, and result is similar if black played L11 instead?
Muttley [3k\]: ok, w 53.5, b 54 I get
]
;B[fp]
;W[le]
;B[me]
;W[je]
;B[le]
;W[sh]
;B[sf]
;W[af]
;B[bg]
;W[id]C[Liso66 [?\]: good choice to broadcasting! :)
Muttley [3k\]: w had the t13 ko?
Muttley [3k\]: heck
Muttley [3k\]: counting ....
]
;B[]
;W[]C[daniug [2d\]: 0.5 game?
daniug [2d\]: says es
Muttley [3k\]: I think so
Dupaaxe [?\]: 0,5 points game ?
Muttley [3k\]: I think b+0.5
songokuss3 [2k\]: "i think" :DD
bbred [3k\]: funny counting rules, SE is not right?
Muttley [3k\]: well, that's what I counted :))
EGC2015d [-\]: B+1,5
josekimq [1d\]: b+1,5
Muttley [3k\]: nice, thanks EGC
daniug [2d\]: thx egc
EGC2015d [-\]: thanks for watching
ofbusy [-\]: thx EGC 
q11 [4d\]: well done viktor
wefawfsadf: thanks EGC!
Liso66 [?\]: congrats to viktor!
Artjom [3k\]: Thx
SUMMIT [2k\]: ty egc
Liso66 [?\]: other games?
Baobab [2d\]: thx EGC
])
