(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[3x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Championship 2015 (Top 24) -r2 Kachanovskyi 7d (B) vs Surma 1p (W)]PW[Mateusz Surma]PB[Artem Kachanovskyi]WR[1p]BR[7d]DT[2015-07-27]RO[2]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[snowy [1k\]: xD
Sonam [2k\]: *_^
Mikko88888: 3rd
Hikaru123 [?\]: Hi!!!!
TurtleDove [5k\]: I see both players at the board on the video. I guess they could start or do they need a signal from the organisers
Etcetera [3d\]: video?
Etcetera [3d\]: link?
EGC2015b [-\]: http://egc2015.cz/stream
Etcetera [3d\]: ty
EGC2015b [-\]: game started
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[pq]
;W[qd]C[maciek [2d\]: Artem is sitting on the left side and Mateusz on the right side of the board
]
;B[cp]C[maciek [2d\]: Mateusz is winning +7.5
]
;W[dd]C[maciek [2d\]: d16 coming
maciek [2d\]: yes it is
]
;B[qo]
;W[fq]C[Shedal [?\]: Go Artem!
]
;B[dq]
;W[pr]C[maciek [2d\]: oh no Shedal, go Mateusz! ;)
softlight [2d\]: interesting
Shedal [?\]: That must be some kind of a mistake. For sure, go Artem! ;-)
maciek [2d\]: Mateusz wants to see he should play j3 or k4
maciek [2d\]: or just p3 if p2
U [?\]: ill join in, go artem!
maciek [2d\]: :)
softlight [2d\]: go Mateusz!
maciek [2d\]: :D
EGC2015b [-\]: this will be a looooong game
softlight [2d\]: i hope at least 8h shift
maciek [2d\]: only 8 hours
]
;B[or]C[maciek [2d\]: crosscut!
U [?\]: its almost 3am in the US but i have to pick up my parents at the airport at 7:15am so ill probably pull an allnighter watching
]
;W[oq]C[maciek [2d\]: nice U
maciek [2d\]: i eam cool
maciek [2d\]: mean :)
U [?\]: either works
maciek [2d\]: p4
TurtleDove [5k\]: if the game goes to byoyomi, your folks will have to wait at the airport :)
]
;B[op]
;W[nq]C[U [?\]: itll just make me more prepared for US congress coming up
]
;B[nr]
;W[mq]
;B[mr]
;W[lq]C[U [?\]: i have the kgs app so i can watch on there at the airport
]
;B[qq]
;W[jq]C[maciek [2d\]: yeah
maciek [2d\]: j3 would be a bad shape
U [?\]: ive never seen this sequence played out with the f3 approach
maciek [2d\]: i am smart because Mateusz was showing me exactly the same situation all along :)
U [?\]: i remember that with the normal one space high approach etc that this is considered slightly better for b since he can k3 instead of r3 and w is annoyed
U [?\]: i suppose its better like this?
TurtleDove [5k\]: Artem likes to play solid. maybe Surma don't want to allow a quiet game
]
;B[oc]C[U [?\]: yeah artem is my favorite euro player
U [?\]: im glad hes active again since uni
maciek [2d\]: i dont know
Terranigma [1k\]: I should be able to move to previous moves with the arrow keys or something -- the fact that i have to clone the game to do that is just so retarded...
]
;W[kc]C[maciek [2d\]: u need to watch them all live Terra!
maciek [2d\]: no need to see previous moves then ;)
Terranigma [1k\]: that works
Terranigma [1k\]: i just need to give up on life first then
maciek [2d\]: yep
maciek [2d\]: nothing for free
maciek [2d\]: black tenuki?
maciek [2d\]: f17 looks more interesting :D
]
;B[qg]
;W[pe]
;B[pj]
;W[pc]C[maciek [2d\]: this way...
]
;B[cf]C[LuisSousa [3k\]: does Surma play on kgs, if so anyone knows his name?
]
;W[fd]
;B[dj]C[maciek [2d\]: he doesnt
maciek [2d\]: but his nickname is... drakula
maciek [2d\]: P16 is so annoying, i mean concerning
LuisSousa [3k\]: on igs, right? for the euro championship?
maciek [2d\]: yeah he played at pandanet team go european championships
maciek [2d\]: i think on igs he is drakula too, not sure
maciek [2d\]: c8 and p16 are two places i look
LuisSousa [3k\]: on here he just has a few free games. just wondering what rank he would be able to get here
]
;W[cl]C[maciek [2d\]: but P16 looks like no hurry
maciek [2d\]: well done sensei!
maciek [2d\]: :D
maciek [2d\]: go go go!
maciek [2d\]: yose soon^^
maciek [2d\]: he would be 9d Sir
U [?\]: not 9d at the moment
Etcetera [3d\]: he's stronger than llya?
U [?\]: i would wager 7d, maaaaybe 8d because hes beaten ilya before
LuisSousa [3k\]: i think 8d is more likely
maciek [2d\]: they are the same level i think
]
;B[ck]C[maciek [2d\]: it depends who of them train more  and in better day form i guess;)
]
;W[dl]
;B[fj]C[maciek [2d\]: d8
]
;W[do]C[maciek [2d\]: ididnt see a reason to play lightly like e8
maciek [2d\]: good for white it seems
maciek [2d\]: so r13 could be not the greatest choose
maciek [2d\]: but who knows :D
maciek [2d\]: but maybe e4 c5 b4 is acceptable for black
maciek [2d\]: but i am not sure, black wants sente to play on top
]
;B[co]
;W[dn]
;B[ep]C[maciek [2d\]: G7, peace
]
;W[gm]C[maciek [2d\]: :D
]
;B[fp]
;W[gq]C[maciek [2d\]: B16 for White next is so big
]
;B[gp]C[maciek [2d\]: this is not sente!
maciek [2d\]: B16!
maciek [2d\]: go Mateusz go!
maciek [2d\]: or is it?
Shedal [?\]: Go Artem
]
;W[hq]C[maciek [2d\]: it is
]
;B[cn]C[maciek [2d\]: Mateusz in peaceful mode, vacations so he is rested :D
maciek [2d\]: c6 is optimistic
maciek [2d\]: Mateusz wont answer again
maciek [2d\]: B16!
Shedal [?\]: I am always so impressed with Artem's calm moves
maciek [2d\]: yeah, i love Artem style
Shedal [?\]: he makes points while taking the base off of Mateusz
maciek [2d\]: yes but not sure its possible to attack efectivelly white groups here
Shedal [?\]: Well, there is still aji in the bottom W group
maciek [2d\]: efficiently i mean^^
maciek [2d\]: but its so open to escape at any moment
apina [1d\]: w will answer
maciek [2d\]: W B16! :D
maciek [2d\]: this game is about territory!!!
Shedal [?\]: The problem is that W doesn't want to escape with 2 groups at the same tim
apina [1d\]: b16 looks nice, but you don't want to give attack against that group
apina [1d\]: it makes points too
maciek [2d\]: no points in the center in this game i think
maciek [2d\]: Mateusz will tyake a risk
Shedal [?\]: there are points on the right though
Str1fe [4d\]: territory is what you make so your opponent will fight you
softlight [2d\]: white stones at the bottom look quite useless
maciek [2d\]: securing these groups for him is a small easy tea problem ;)
]
;W[ci]C[maciek [2d\]: attack!
]
;B[bk]
;W[dg]C[maciek [2d\]: B16 please!
maciek [2d\]: thought i understand this game... :P
maciek [2d\]: so annoying
maciek [2d\]: :D :D
Shedal [?\]: Go Artem, then
maciek [2d\]: Artem must use C6 now
apina [1d\]: he didn't want to defend directly, so this way b have to defend too
]
;B[cc]C[apina [1d\]: but not so sure w really wanted to give this
gamego [12k?\]: F14 good
gruenwald [2d\]: Take the corner ny good? 
maciek [2d\]: F14 good but might be too defensive
Str1fe [4d\]: f14 is a ?! move if i ever saw one
maciek [2d\]: :D u surely saw when u were 14kyu
TurtleDove [5k\]: after the corner sequence, W b8 will leave f10 running
Shedal [?\]: Why not play tengen then? 
maciek [2d\]: but hey, i like F14, its a nice shape!
maciek [2d\]: W wants to play O16?
]
;W[cd]
;B[bd]C[maciek [2d\]: c16 b16 d17 b18 c18 b17 j16 
Mikko88888: w wants to settle D8
]
;W[be]C[maciek [2d\]: oh he cuts
maciek [2d\]: D8 is samll :d, W wants to take as many profits on top as its possible
maciek [2d\]: black surprised
EGC2015b [-\]: he was
maciek [2d\]: me too :)
maciek [2d\]: maybe W is going to attack D10 or at least force black to connect at B8
EGC2015b [-\]: proposed sequence will be maybe too good for black and his peacefull style
]
;B[bc]C[maciek [2d\]: maybe W wont connect at c15
maciek [2d\]: but G9?
maciek [2d\]: no idea :D
]
;W[bf]C[apina [1d\]: if w don't connect, d13 and c11 looks stupid
]
;B[eb]
;W[fb]
;B[ec]
;W[fc]C[maciek [2d\]: ok so this is just normal :)
EGC2015b [-\]: ah i got lag
maciek [2d\]: i was hoping for some tricky devilish plan
]
;B[ed]
;W[ee]
;B[dc]C[maciek [2d\]: dont go EGC please
EGC2015b [-\]: fine now
gogonuts [4d\]: b looking good
maciek [2d\]: w looking better
maciek [2d\]: kibitz looks the greatest!
]
;W[og]C[gogonuts [4d\]: c8 was a little jealous, imo - the b right was pretty low
maciek [2d\]: i feel black is very low and concentrated  everywhere
apina [1d\]: maciek, you are biased :)
gogonuts [4d\]: i mean the b left ofc
]
;B[fe]C[maciek [2d\]: who is not aspina ;)
gogonuts [4d\]: getting a little senile
apina [1d\]: I'm not in this game. I don't care who wins
]
;W[df]C[maciek [2d\]: i always choose a player i kibitz
maciek [2d\]: sometimes its changing during the game, even many times, but always choosing, its interesting to watch when u do
maciek [2d\]: here no choice :) go Mateusz! :D
U [?\]: you also choose the polish guys too id guess
gamego [12k?\]: if F14...
maciek [2d\]: its more about a player not about his nationality :)
maciek [2d\]: btw, Mateusz is korean
softlight [2d\]: he's not
maciek [2d\]: i mean Silesian :D
maciek [2d\]: blackstones looks shy and more shy
softlight [2d\]: gogonuts, any ideas what to do by black now ?
maciek [2d\]: hard to choose, black should play something reducing top
maciek [2d\]: L15 looks natural, but it also looks too much for white
gamego [12k?\]: F13 N16
TurtleDove [5k\]: reducing the top side potential seems most urgent. it is W only sizeable area
maciek [2d\]: the next move i think is F14, is it sente for left W life?
softlight [2d\]: f14 f12?
maciek [2d\]: or H17 as a vital
maciek [2d\]: if u answer f12 so its sente
maciek [2d\]: :D
maciek [2d\]: f14 f12 h17 ? :P
softlight [2d\]: white can't get surrounded
gogonuts [4d\]: just h10 for me
gamego [12k?\]: H17 - white H16
softlight [2d\]: yea i was contemplating h10 too
softlight [2d\]: looking for j7
tchitchi [1d\]: i would better G9
apina [1d\]: h10 was the first thought
maciek [2d\]: h10 could be sente too
]
;B[ic]C[maciek [2d\]: h10 j7 , right?
maciek [2d\]: here...
apina [1d\]: I also thought, if it was good change for b to play e14 d15
gamego [12k?\]: E7 - F8 or E7- F6
apina [1d\]: j7 probably the answer, but b don't like, if w plays h10
maciek [2d\]: ah jus atari and tenuki, interesting
maciek [2d\]: all black wants is make top no territory
maciek [2d\]: its going to be very bloody fight
apina [1d\]: maciek, it looks good, if w plays f14 in future, but bad, if w plays g15
maciek [2d\]: hard to find compromise now
maciek [2d\]: yep
maciek [2d\]: so H16, the only one?
maciek [2d\]: Mateusz read it to the end now, time for some coffee
maciek [2d\]: :P
EGC2015b [-\]: mateusz is thinking
TurtleDove [5k\]: seems like a good idea :)
EGC2015b [-\]: but from distance xD
gamego [12k?\]: G15 J16
]
;W[fg]C[storn [2k\]: hi everyone! Shikshin on which board, does anybody know?
NightShift [6d\]: interesting shape at the top
NightShift [6d\]: d
storn [2k\]: thanks
]
;B[ld]
;W[kd]C[maciek [2d\]: its getting desperate for black
]
;B[ke]C[apina [1d\]: :)
]
;W[lc]C[apina [1d\]: I think this top invasion has gone well for black so far
apina [1d\]: but my counting skills aren't enough for this
vaansama [3k?\]: Helloz. Who are the player please
]
;B[md]C[ExplO [1d\]: surma w artem b
maciek [2d\]: W Mateusz Surma and black is Artem Kachanovsky
EGC2015b [-\]: European Championship 2015 (Top 24) -r2 Kachanovskyi 7d (B) vs Surma 1p (W)
vaansama [3k?\]: Thx
]
;W[mc]C[gogonuts [4d\]: mateusz + maciek vs artem
maciek [2d\]: :D
maciek [2d\]: u should say Mateusz - maciek
gogonuts [4d\]: lol
storn [2k\]: who is maciek
storn [2k\]: ?
maciek [2d\]: i still dont know
EGC2015b [-\]: xD
maciek [2d\]: maybe black J15
]
;B[je]C[maciek [2d\]: G15 a must?
]
;W[ge]C[maciek [2d\]: yes
storn [2k\]: don't worry
maciek [2d\]: B H10?
storn [2k\]: yes
storn [2k\]: maciek. b h10?
maciek [2d\]: or J13?
]
;B[oe]C[softlight [2d\]: ko ?
Haskell [2k\]: he-he, b decided to set up ko first
maciek [2d\]: just Q14 :P
maciek [2d\]: good connectin cant be bad
maciek [2d\]: maybe R12
Haskell [2k\]: I would play Q14. You can't. This is a kyu-ish move.
maciek [2d\]: i can, no worry, Mateusza cant :P
maciek [2d\]: P14 looks natural, but what next
maciek [2d\]: what if just p18
softlight [2d\]: white can't let black cut off p13
liusasori [4d\]: i think q14 is bigger than p18
liusasori [4d\]: black q14 is much bigger than killing m17
Nirvanc [2k\]: n13 ?
Fenring [3k\]: why we dont have the fan hui's game, he must be table 2,no?
]
;W[ob]C[maciek [2d\]: u know its not so easy to kill P13 after u cut it
hgffdx: cut cut cut
maciek [2d\]: p18 makes cutting j17 black privilege too
maciek [2d\]: i think its big big big big big
mycelio [1k\]: maybe this is proper strategy agains Artem. I think his main strength is not killing and chasing
]
;B[od]
;W[qb]C[maciek [2d\]: black cuts p13, but u can tell he is cuted by p13 :D
]
;B[of]C[hgffdx: the result is so good for b
mycelio [1k\]: q14 or q13 ?
maciek [2d\]: u all overvaule the center
maciek [2d\]: i have a new crazy idea q13 q14 r12 :P
EGC2015b [-\]: fan hui's game is not broadcasted. We want to have lively broadcasting with many strong players, not only with top ones
maciek [2d\]: great choose EGC
maciek [2d\]: :D
gogonuts [4d\]: didnt artem use to be the peace loving one? here he got a good result with aggressive tactics
TurtleDove [5k\]: maybe W turn to reduce B right side.   ... q8
maciek [2d\]: why do you all think its good result for black
EGC2015b [-\]: btw, if you pref some players, write a msg to EGC2015c, he is responsible for broadcasting
maciek [2d\]: q13 q14 r12 is cool
gogonuts [4d\]: maybe he has a psychological advantage "if artem played it, it must surely work"
hgffdx: w is supposed to be the pro here
gogonuts [4d\]: b is doing well on profit and ok on thickness
mycelio [1k\]: maciek after r12 b will get r10
gogonuts [4d\]: and w even has a group in the ll to take care of
Fenring [3k\]: i pref some players, but its the idea to have the game of strongest players and of highest lvl
maciek [2d\]: q13 q14 r12 r10 r14  :D
maciek [2d\]: these two  players are highest level
mycelio [1k\]: no I mean q13 q14 r12 r14 q11 r10 
maciek [2d\]: i wont play q11 :D
mycelio [1k\]: but what? q8
tchitchi [1d\]: q13 r12 is bad strategy
maciek [2d\]: p11 :P
mycelio [1k\]: but b lower left is strong so whan you enter with q8 but dont protect q12 cut, this does not feel right to me
maciek [2d\]: yeah looks bad startegy i agree
gluiwiya [4k\]: hard  for w
EGC2015b [-\]: there are 24 top group of the strongest player, so its hard to chooose 
maciek [2d\]: every strategy u are forced to read more than 2 moves is bad
mycelio [1k\]: b can still play r10 after your p11
]
;W[qn]C[tchitchi [1d\]: every strategy when you allow your opponent to connect his groups, and create a baseless one is bad strategy
mycelio [1k\]: r6 is Spanish Inquisition move
Fenring [3k\]: ok,ok strange to odnt choose the 4th first bale,thats all
]
;B[pn]C[TurtleDove [5k\]: I guess W hopes to use p13 as aji rather than run with it
]
;W[pk]
;B[qj]C[TurtleDove [5k\]: q7
maciek [2d\]: no more stones to touch
apina [1d\]: Fenring, in early stage all top tables are equal, giving numbers for those is forced
]
;W[qm]C[apina [1d\]: there are 6 first tables now
Fenring [3k\]: thought  was based on EGF rank?
apina [1d\]: might be, but it doesn't make it any better
TurtleDove [5k\]: haha, just B q14. leave W with the problems
Fenring [3k\]: you means the egf rank make no sense?
tchitchi [1d\]: p9?
EGC2015b [-\]: 1-5-3-4 boards are broadcasted
maciek [2d\]: yea p9 looks natural
]
;B[hl]C[maciek [2d\]: hah
maciek [2d\]: G9!
maciek [2d\]: go Mateusz!
]
;W[gk]
;B[fk]
;W[gl]
;B[em]C[murai [3d\]: looks nie for black :/
murai [3d\]: nice*
Elena [3k?\]: :)
maciek [2d\]: q14 :P
maciek [2d\]: no idea
pastlink [?\]: if w don't manage a good fight the game could be short 
maciek [2d\]: W will
pastlink [?\]: hard to fight and protect q9 at the same time
maciek [2d\]: q14 before u start thinking is my plan
hgffdx: w is crying
]
;W[ro]C[hgffdx: but w is gote so w happy
hgffdx: sente*
maciek [2d\]: e8 f8 f7 is soemthing...
hgffdx: e8 f8 f7 e6 e5 f6 f5 g6 g5 h6 h5 d7 at 10k i wouldn't accept it :o)
]
;B[rp]C[maciek [2d\]: dont continue woth e5 but g10
maciek [2d\]: is something for later if u cut at q14
maciek [2d\]: come on read more than just 50 moves ahead pls
maciek [2d\]: dont be funny :P
]
;W[qk]C[hgffdx: g10 is just sente so b f11 isn't it ?
maciek [2d\]: it is u right
maciek [2d\]: but it might be helpful when w will be killing all top
hgffdx: yeah lol w will for sure
maciek [2d\]: :D
]
;B[oj]
;W[po]C[hgffdx: :o)
]
;B[oo]
;W[qp]
;B[pp]
;W[qo]
;B[io]C[hgffdx: b will kill k3 
]
;W[gj]
;B[fi]C[maciek [2d\]: M14 :D
maciek [2d\]: m14 m15 q14 q13 o13 
maciek [2d\]: and pray
pastlink [?\]: f11 a bit strange to me
pastlink [?\]: seems to be the bad direction
NightShift [6d\]: seems like w is getting pushed around a bit
hgffdx: f11 keep e7 efficiency
EGC2015b [-\]: ondrej silt is walking around with spoon in his mounth, he looks like beaver xD
]
;W[gi]C[maciek [2d\]: h5 aji can save d8 stones maybe
]
;B[ih]C[maciek [2d\]: o11 :P
maciek [2d\]: good news for white: its just a game :D
maciek [2d\]: cut everything
hgffdx: o11 is madness
maciek [2d\]: madness also a strategy
]
;W[le]C[maciek [2d\]: cut everything > madness
TheGardner [3k\]: he is cutting everything !!!
hgffdx: yeah i like it
maciek [2d\]: dont know why i also think about W g6 move
maciek [2d\]: and g6 is really deep
maciek [2d\]: looks like 6 stones in a row but its divine
]
;B[lf]
;W[me]
;B[nd]
;W[ea]
;B[da]
;W[fa]C[noob1d [5d?\]: w wants to cut j17 
]
;B[ba]
;W[jd]
;B[ie]
;W[id]C[maciek [2d\]: nicely done
]
;B[he]
;W[hd]
;B[gf]
;W[ff]
;B[gh]C[hgffdx: w cut ? then b cut
maciek [2d\]: black must defend the center, otherwise o11 destroys everything
noob1d [5d?\]: game is still close because of this w weak group
maciek [2d\]: i like your point of view noob
hgffdx: b read it since j5 
glasszee [3k\]: how to make shape hiere...
hgffdx: in the end, k3 die
apina [1d\]: shape there? no chance
storn [2k\]: is it?
noob1d [5d?\]: j10 normal
hgffdx: k10 , k9 , j8 anything
glasszee [3k\]: no chance for mere mortals, sure
TurtleDove [5k\]: maybe j6
]
;W[jj]C[maciek [2d\]: black in danger
hgffdx: w*
storn [2k\]: white, I would say
apina [1d\]: maciek, are we looking the same game?
storn [2k\]: but I dont think, w's bottom will die
maciek [2d\]: u should learn positional judgement guys
noob1d [5d?\]: j10 weakness now
apina [1d\]: or maybe we use word "danger" differently
maciek [2d\]: :D
]
;B[ij]C[austrogo [3d\]: some one nead glases?
]
;W[ik]C[pastlink [?\]: j10 and cross cut
glasszee [3k\]: im here
noob1d [5d?\]: j11 j8 
]
;B[ii]C[maciek [2d\]: j8
maciek [2d\]: ah noob u are faster
noob1d [5d?\]: may be wrong
maciek [2d\]: h5, be brave
noob1d [5d?\]: w thinking of j6:)
TurtleDove [5k\]: or j8
maciek [2d\]: or j7
]
;W[fh]C[maciek [2d\]: or cut everything first
noob1d [5d?\]: threatening h12 
noob1d [5d?\]: it's good timing
]
;B[gg]C[False [1d\]: omg i didnt see h12
glasszee [3k\]: split b left?
False [1d\]: thanks noob :D
]
;W[dk]C[maciek [2d\]: i told u black in danger
noob1d [5d?\]: is b in trouble
storn [2k\]: looks like now
noob1d [5d?\]: we can't see 2 moves ahead:(
glasszee [3k\]: most of the time, whoevers' turn it is to move is the one in trouble
storn [2k\]: d11 ?
maciek [2d\]: there is a rule: when u start thinking Mateusz is losing u should resign
Mikael6789: they are both in trouple :P
Hobbes [1k\]: you mean "poth"?
hgffdx: c10 then what ?
maciek [2d\]: e10
hgffdx: then e11 
Mikael6789: hoppes, yes
maciek [2d\]: 3 moves already i dont read more
maciek [2d\]: :D
maciek [2d\]: e11 e9 
storn [2k\]: )
hgffdx: that's a lot already
hgffdx: for me too
tchitchi [1d\]: i would like a pro to come, and just say "black is desperate" or white is
maciek [2d\]: etc etc, then W+R
hgffdx: nah B+0.5
]
;B[cj]C[noob1d [5d?\]: I don't see a good way to cut these b stones
maciek [2d\]: cut  it in a bad way and dont be shy
hgffdx: d7 b8 f6 k9 bad for w so w won't save his stone now
hgffdx: ah b8 now ?
]
;W[fl]
;B[bl]C[maciek [2d\]: b8 meets f8
noob1d [5d?\]: b8 f8 and d8 were dead
apro: Hi
noob1d [5d?\]: w was just getting some stones in sente
maciek [2d\]: this is a real something for black
apro: White is desperate :D
maciek [2d\]: and saying black i mean white
apro: For tchitchi :)
tchitchi [1d\]: good call^^
noob1d [5d?\]: back to j8 vs j7 vs j6 
a9dp: black is still trying? He should resign!
]
;W[mf]C[a9dp: black very desperate Mr Tchichichi
noob1d [5d?\]: n13 
isumi43 [5k\]: desperate?
negesog [7k\]: Waw
noob1d [5d?\]: n13 o13 m13 q14 o14 q13 w connects
negesog [7k\]: N14
maciek [2d\]: do u remember i told u "when W will be killing all top" :P
apro: a9dp...you are wrong, white is desperate, can't you see?
noob1d [5d?\]: interesting that h9 not so effective for b, and w ignored
EGC2015b [-\]: Pop, Cristian (7 Dan) vs Burzo, Cornel (6 Dan) - Pop win
noob1d [5d?\]: pop is on fire
isumi43 [5k\]: Thx Euro.
maciek [2d\]: hey now for serious, black in danger :)
mycelio [1k\]: noob1d why not o14 after o13 in your sequence?
maciek [2d\]: j5 still early cuttable
noob1d [5d?\]: good I missed that
noob1d [5d?\]: hence "noob"
maciek [2d\]: :)
apro: Black will find a way, just wait :)
noob1d [5d?\]: some complications if w atari n13 m13 
noob1d [5d?\]: but seems b can manage
maciek [2d\]: manage a life not a points
maciek [2d\]: top is so big
TheGardner [3k\]: o13
TheGardner [3k\]: or resign
noob1d [5d?\]: for example n13 m13 l14 o13 n12 q13 q14 r14 s14 r15 o14 r12 s13 s12 q12 
maciek [2d\]: for example read term of use of KGS, so long sequences are not legal!
noob1d [5d?\]: I'm probably missing something basic here, otherwise artem wouldn't be taking so much time
maciek [2d\]: o13 is doubtful
Miky [4k\]: after n13 w L14
hgffdx: n13 m13 l14 o13 n12 q14 ?
hgffdx: nvm, w dies
TheGardner [3k\]: (I agree maciek)
noob1d [5d?\]: k8 could be interesting
noob1d [5d?\]: but looks like a kyu move
EGC2015b [-\]: ah i forget to recording and game goes 20 moves ahead...
maciek [2d\]: k8... IT IS^^
maciek [2d\]: next joke EGC
maciek [2d\]: :P
EGC2015b [-\]: yeah xD just joking xD
maciek [2d\]: was funny, next please
Krao [2k\]: maybe n13 m13 l14 o13 n12 q14 is good enough for w
apro: :P
EGC2015b [-\]: im a bit bored after 3 hours of recording
maciek [2d\]: u dont know go rules, right?
maciek [2d\]: just placing stones?
apro: What is your name, EGC2015b?
noob1d [5d?\]: egc, bring headphones, listen to some music
hgffdx: was funny, egc
maciek [2d\]: haha
EGC2015b [-\]: why you wanna know my name,
EGC2015b [-\]: ?
apro: Just curious :)
noob1d [5d?\]: it's a trap
maciek [2d\]: asking for a name is very suspicious
apro: Don;t be bad, noob1d, I just want to know
EGC2015b [-\]: rank will say you more then my name xD
]
;B[lg]C[maciek [2d\]: i think its the first time on internet, where a go player is more ready to say his rank than a name
apro: :(
apro: Then...what is your rank?
EGC2015b [-\]: im not sure xD
maciek [2d\]: :D
apro: ;))
EGC2015b [-\]: i didnt play for 2 years
apro: Why not?
hgffdx: 3 hundred years of thinking for this
EGC2015b [-\]: i have 1775 EGF rating
hgffdx: i have 1776
maciek [2d\]: o13 q14 o11 
EGC2015b [-\]: so im close to 3k
apro: Nice :)
apro: And why you don't want to tell your name?
noob1d [5d?\]: I think b read q14 q13 o13 n13 o14 o12 p12 p11 
bleen [1d\]: look for czech player with 1775 rating
bleen [1d\]: there won't be too much
]
;W[en]
;B[hk]C[maciek [2d\]: we dont know she is from chech ;)
]
;W[in]
;B[il]
;W[jn]C[maciek [2d\]: that was fast
maciek [2d\]: amazing how patient Mateusz is about the center
apro: ECG2015b is a girl?
noob1d [5d?\]: apro, stop being creepy
]
;B[kp]C[hgffdx: stalking mode : on
maciek [2d\]: m2
maciek [2d\]: or hmm 
noob1d [5d?\]: see, egc, you can't make a joke, people immediately fall in love with you
maciek [2d\]: now u are creepy ;)
apro: :)
hgffdx: egc may be more instersting than the game
hgffdx: unless there's a theoreme : girl < go 
apro: I am too a girl
hgffdx: so back to the game
EGC2015b [-\]: no, im not a girl xD
hgffdx: that's even creepier
maciek [2d\]: stop kidding EGC...
hgffdx: reverse stalking
maciek [2d\]: :D
EGC2015b [-\]: W - 58 min, B -56 min till byoyomi
maciek [2d\]: i am still  thinking about q14
noob1d [5d?\]: b keeping on the attack
hgffdx: q14 q13 o13 n13 o14 o12 b + 1 lib
noob1d [5d?\]: m2 makes s2 possible
maciek [2d\]: q14 q13 o13 n13 o11 
hgffdx: ah then o14 then you run with o11 as reduction
maciek [2d\]: yeah so its something :)
hgffdx: you really jealous that b has such lot of points there
maciek [2d\]: every stone in center makes difference
maciek [2d\]: yes i am
maciek [2d\]: we didnt read W n13 or we?
]
;W[kq]C[noob1d [5d?\]: n13 gets seki at best
]
;B[ho]C[maciek [2d\]: i forgot we want to kill that all black top
noob1d [5d?\]: how to connect
]
;W[hn]
;B[ln]C[noob1d [5d?\]: ok, not many options
hgffdx: told ya, in the end, k3 dies
hgffdx: b will get e2 , m2 , and around n5, so w will die
superpal1 [1d\]: k3 how to die?
noob1d [5d?\]: w d2 can be interesting
]
;W[km]C[murai [3d\]: m5 was ok
maciek [2d\]: but by trying to kill black can lost
noob1d [5d?\]: b probably trying to close the center by attacking
maciek [2d\]: i see
noob1d [5d?\]: l9 ?
noob1d [5d?\]: dunno
maciek [2d\]: m9
maciek [2d\]: yyyy i said m9? no, no, no m9 :)
TheGardner [3k\]: k9
TheGardner [3k\]: can't kill...
apro: So...EGC2015b...you're name can be Bernhard or Stefano :)
apro: Or Miran..or Leonardo
EGC2015b [-\]: lol why you think that? xD
EGC2015b [-\]: ah by rating ? sry a told you wrong one, i have 11
EGC2015b [-\]: 1773
EGC2015b [-\]: 1772, dam this keyboard
hgffdx: damn your big finger i would say
apro: Is not funny
dixxa: Sorry if the question has been asked already : Fan Hui / Mitic Dusan not broadcasted ?
hgffdx: nope
]
;B[kk]C[noob1d [5d?\]: artem following my suggestion
maciek [2d\]: good for white
noob1d [5d?\]: usually a bad idea:)
maciek [2d\]: :D
TurtleDove [5k\]: telepathy in action
apro: EGC2015b, you're bad. A little girl is not happy today because of you
noob1d [5d?\]: game is close
noob1d [5d?\]: if n14 is captured, maybe b slightly ahead
noob1d [5d?\]: but there is bad aji
maciek [2d\]: u should know a pro, there is no little girl in the world who tell about yourself "little girl" :)
noob1d [5d?\]: w group in the center still not alive, so b is ok I think
apro: Well..is not true
maciek [2d\]: :))
maciek [2d\]: i dont think its so optimistic for black u say noob ;)
noob1d [5d?\]: w taking the time to come up with an evil plan
apro: There's a little girl in this world who think that she's a little girl...
hgffdx: w has already lost
maciek [2d\]: yes yes apro, u right
maciek [2d\]: i was generalizing
noob1d [5d?\]: still a long game ahead
maciek [2d\]: hey some other choices than m7?
maciek [2d\]: :)))
noob1d [5d?\]: m7 is good I think
noob1d [5d?\]: natural move
noob1d [5d?\]: maybe w considering m9 
]
;W[ig]C[maciek [2d\]: looks like a joke...
]
;B[hh]
;W[pf]
;B[pg]
;W[mg]C[maciek [2d\]: what if...
]
;B[ng]
;W[mh]
;B[ni]C[ofbusy [-\]: is w sober ?
noob1d [5d?\]: w 2 weak groups now
noob1d [5d?\]: b winning
maciek [2d\]: :)
noob1d [5d?\]: b's replies were good!
apro: I will marry with the one who'll tell me the name of EGC2015b :)
]
;W[jg]C[noob1d [5d?\]: l12 first feeling
maciek [2d\]: brave trying by white
noob1d [5d?\]: l12 k12 l~11 
noob1d [5d?\]: l12 k12 l11 *
]
;B[kh]C[noob1d [5d?\]: seems w is in trouble
EGC2015b [-\]: ask other EGC broadcasters, maybe they will
]
;W[jh]C[maciek [2d\]: there is something going here
]
;B[ji]C[noob1d [5d?\]: l11 wasn't working
kmr [1d\]: according to EGC2015b info, and EGD he is either Aziz or Juho, kinda classical names :)
maciek [2d\]: there must be some kinda way out of here ;)))
noob1d [5d?\]: l11 m11 m12 w can capture 2 stones but
noob1d [5d?\]: w dies
TheGardner [3k\]: l15 ? 
noob1d [5d?\]: l11 m11 m12 l10 l14 h14 
TheGardner [3k\]: l14 ?
]
;W[lk]C[noob1d [5d?\]: so w needs to find something better
adela [2k\]: W resignation coming
TheGardner [3k\]: (no)
]
;B[kl]C[noob1d [5d?\]: problem is h6 not alive too
hgffdx: w collapsing
stj1997 [1d\]: white lose
adela [2k\]: B played so patiently and accurately
noob1d [5d?\]: o13 + o11 were very nice
adela [2k\]: good style nd tesuji
]
;W[kj]C[fujiyama [8k\]: is mateusz alive in the center ?
adela [2k\]: not yet
fujiyama [8k\]: for sure
TheGardner [3k\]: artem neither...
TheGardner [3k\]: but v
TheGardner [3k\]: but seems more alive
fujiyama [8k\]: m7 then black gain
noob1d [5d?\]: m8 ?
Siljan [?\]: Game Fan Hui vs.  Dusan Mitic is not broadcasted
]
;B[jk]C[herissondu [4d\]: this looks difficult for w
noob1d [5d?\]: why wasn't dinerchtein's first game broadcasted
Siljan [?\]: 4th game broadcasted is Viktor Lin vs. Ilya Shikshin
fujiyama [8k\]: they can broadcast if they want
maciek [2d\]: spadam do roboty :)
maciek [2d\]: wrong chat sorry
TheGardner [3k\]: l14 ?
fujiyama [8k\]: m7 white issue?
noob1d [5d?\]: w's best move: resign
wolokom [5k\]: yes
adela [2k\]: maciek, say one of your "word tesujis"
chuthup: even the god of go would resign
stj1997 [1d\]: i bet white win
wolokom [5k\]: heee ?
]
;W[kf]
;B[hf]
;W[ll]C[noob1d [5d?\]: I would m7 
wade [5d\]: m11 seem to work just fine 
]
;B[lj]C[fujiyama [8k\]: m10 black now
noob1d [5d?\]: b just playing safely
]
;W[mj]C[wolokom [5k\]: is simel and save
]
;B[lm]C[wade [5d\]: unless w manage to kill r13 its over
noob1d [5d?\]: b troll
fujiyama [8k\]: noob was right M7 white first
]
;W[li]
;B[ki]C[noob1d [5d?\]: now b alive, and w 2 groups almost dead
AndyCap [7k\]: g7 group dead?
wolokom [5k\]: ach a
TheGardner [3k\]: h10 ?
TheGardner [3k\]: (nope)
noob1d [5d?\]: res
chrayma [7k\]: L5 ?
noob1d [5d?\]: don't even know how to live with k6 
NightShift [6d\]: looks like gg
stj1997 [1d\]: resign is good
NightShift [6d\]: since p14 b has looked really good
maciek [2d\]: white was trying to win to the vey last move, brave play
fujiyama [8k\]: yes white in  danger now
ofbusy [-\]: i think surma often creates lots of group in dangerous and wins but this time seems he s cooked
]
;W[ri]C[maciek [2d\]: still trying
noob1d [5d?\]: korean style: never resign
NightShift [6d\]: b o8 not dangerous?
ofbusy [-\]: y maybe o8 possible here
]
;B[ok]C[NightShift [6d\]: hehe b even more solid
NightShift [6d\]: i love artem style
TurtleDove [5k\]: Artem proved he can fight, even if he prefers quiet game
EGC2015b [-\]: ah me too, maybe i should look at more his games
stj1997 [1d\]: Does black hv a kgs account?
NightShift [6d\]: artem92 iirc
flobby [-\]: used to
isumi43 [5k\]: w managing to die in the center?
noob1d [5d?\]: dying big
isumi43 [5k\]: yeap- 2 groups
slim76 [1k\]: I count 32 dead w stones in the center
iphone4 [3d\]: big group never dies, so it is a small group
maciek [2d\]: its better to try to win and die big than just end the game safely and lost by a few
maciek [2d\]: and no even chance to win
isumi43 [5k\]: huh?
noob1d [5d?\]: depends
Prodigious [-\]: there is no try
maciek [2d\]: taking a risk is a skill
herissondu [4d\]: it's the same, it's still a loss
Nirvanc [2k\]: n7
maciek [2d\]: not really, its better to take a try
maciek [2d\]: maximaze your chances
noob1d [5d?\]: yes, but after a point it becomes disrespectful
maciek [2d\]: i like the way white was trying
maciek [2d\]: probably would win if playing against anyone here on chat :D
NightShift [6d\]: it's not disrespectful yet
isumi43 [5k\]: against me for sure :)
EGC2015b [-\]: ok, i will say Surma your advices to resign this game
]
;W[nl]
;B[ol]
;W[nn]C[maciek [2d\]: if black can answer it well and win he deserves to win, this is not disrespectful at all
noob1d [5d?\]: I didn't say this is
noob1d [5d?\]: just a general observation
herissondu [4d\]: trying while knowing it shouldn't work is disrespectful
stj1997 [1d\]: black can win by killing either one group
maciek [2d\]: there is u know a thin line
gogonuts [4d\]: no it's not, not in a lost game
snowmen [4d\]: s11 seems wrong
noob1d [5d?\]: and tournaments are a bit different
herissondu [4d\]: but here, it's still complicated
fujiyama [8k\]: Mateuz will try to save his group
gogonuts [4d\]: it's called "preparing to resign"
noob1d [5d?\]: it's not playing for art
maciek [2d\]: if u go too far with "disrespectful" or 'should resign" rule, peoples start resigning after few moves, because he is aheeeeeeeead
iphone4 [3d\]: just  n5 and kill one of the 2 groups
noob1d [5d?\]: you want to win, not necessarily play a beautiful game
Unstable [3k\]: I don't get the concept that w should just roll over.
maciek [2d\]: being ahead does not mean opponent should resign
snowmen [4d\]: s11 game loosing move?
maciek [2d\]: saying somebody should is disrespectful
NightShift [6d\]: this noob1d [5d?\]: tournaments are a bit different.and this herissondu [4d\]: here, it's still complicated
]
;B[mo]C[wade [5d\]: the only thing disrespectful is when you dont give your best effort
isumi43 [5k\]: true :)
gogonuts [4d\]: lost before s11, s11 is the last attempt to stir up trouble
gogonuts [4d\]: what is a lot worse than a sharp move like s11, is people playing moves that cannot turn the tide in a lost position, hoping for the opponent to fall asleep or something
TheGardner [3k\]: white is c,onnected but k6 not yet alive. (I think from my 3k tree)
hgffdx: W is dead everywhere
calme [-\]: W is completely dead xD
]
;W[no]C[noob1d [5d?\]: semeai n10 vs p10 
noob1d [5d?\]: b wins
wade [5d\]: gogo that is part of the game... (especially on tournaments)
]
;B[on]C[noob1d [5d?\]: it will be amazing if w rescues both groups
Unstable [3k\]: Connected
maciek [2d\]: amazing
maciek [2d\]: l5 works?
stj1997 [1d\]: but one group is dead
Unstable [3k\]: P7
noob1d [5d?\]: l5 o4 I guess
ofbusy [-\]: seems w did same both
noob1d [5d?\]: at least one w group will die
NightShift [6d\]: when a player 5 ranks below you could answer your moves without thinking then it's time to stop :p
ofbusy [-\]: "save
maciek [2d\]: ah yes
maciek [2d\]: i made two moves in a row :D
maciek [2d\]: o4 l5 
TheGardner [3k\]: would have playd p6 before o5
calme [-\]: o4 l5 k5 
storn [2k\]: nice played, Artem) 
jtshrt: hmm, why do I only see black collapsing here :o
noob1d [5d?\]: o4 k5 
calme [-\]: Should be o4 k4 
ofbusy [-\]: its complicated
stj1997 [1d\]: its simople
stj1997 [1d\]: simple
largehc [-\]: We kill batman 
stj1997 [1d\]: anyone think of n4
mycelio [1k\]: w has to n6
ofbusy [-\]: k5 simply ok
Prodigious [-\]: w can only save one side no matter what move he plays
Prodigious [-\]: so it seems over
mycelio [1k\]: so he has to save n10 side
Lice [4d\]: m5 fakesuji
mycelio [1k\]: in sente and then s10
mycelio [1k\]: otherwise he lost
mycelio [1k\]: and I am pretty sure he did
maciek [2d\]: m5 is cool
fujiyama [8k\]: k4 ?
stj1997 [1d\]: n6 seems uselss
calme [-\]: on groupe will die, no tesuji
noob1d [5d?\]: pro tesuji can't be seen by us mortals
stj1997 [1d\]: well
]
;W[np]C[BlackSmurf [1k?\]: tehsmoothie?
]
;B[jo]C[noob1d [5d?\]: never be sure there isn't a hidden tesuji somewhere
stj1997 [1d\]: there is really no tesuji
noob1d [5d?\]: (o4 k5 told ya)
EGC2015b [-\]: time : W-16 min, B - 41 min
snowmen [4d\]: white left group is bigger than white right group
maciek [2d\]: l6
noob1d [5d?\]: s10 
maciek [2d\]: k8 throw in...
noob1d [5d?\]: never mind
EGC2015b [-\]: B+res
maciek [2d\]: :D
apro: EGC2015b, someday I'll meet you, I'll look right into your eyes and I'll say "you were so bad in that day when you don't wanted to tell me your name"
NightShift [6d\]: gg
maciek [2d\]: gg
isumi43 [5k\]: Thx Euro
NightShift [6d\]: thx egd
gogonuts [4d\]: thx
NightShift [6d\]: egc
noob1d [5d?\]: thx
gogonuts [4d\]: fine reading by b
BlackSmurf [1k?\]: thx
Hobbes [1k\]: well done
NightShift [6d\]: solid as a rock
hgffdx: thx EGC
EGC2015b [-\]: apro : ok, i will be w8ing for taht day xD
EGC2015b [-\]: thx for watching, cya
hgffdx: only 4 hour recording, c'mon
apro: Ok
fujiyama [8k\]: yes
fujiyama [8k\]: thanks EGC
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