(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[3x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Championship 2015 (Top 24) - r3, Artem Kachanovskyi 7d (w) vs. Fan Hui 2p (b)]PW[Artem Kachanovskyi]PB[Fan Hui]WR[7d]BR[2p]DT[2015-07-28]RO[3]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[snowy [1k\]: the force is strong on this one
Shedal [?\]: Go Artem!
snowy [1k\]: yes artem o/
Grunman [8k\]: did Artem win both games?
TurtleDove [5k\]: yes
Shedal [?\]: I really hope Artem wins this
TurtleDove [5k\]: game or tournament ?
Shedal [?\]: The game, for starters
TurtleDove [5k\]: ok :D
yozh: gogo Artem!
maciek [2d\]: go go Artem!
maciek [2d\]: :D
]RE[W+12.50]
;B[pd]C[snowy [1k\]: no fan fans?
PlaySlow [10k\]: If artem wins it would be an upset right?
Thumb [3d\]: N+353.5
flobby [-\]: N is very good
Thumb [3d\]: N is fort
]
;W[dp]
;B[pp]C[gomac: what a game
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;W[dc]
;B[ce]C[snowy [1k\]: sweet sweet afternoon :>
MariusJ [1k\]: Fan tried this opening against Pop, didn't win...
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;W[dh]C[PlaySlow [10k\]: Pop won against Hui??
MariusJ [1k\]: in the team tournament
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;B[cn]C[PlaySlow [10k\]: Ah, ok. So they are both 2-0 right now
TurtleDove [5k\]: yes
MariusJ [1k\]: c8 f4
ofbusy [-\]: c8 could be artem style 
ofbusy [-\]: like, thick i mean
snowy [1k\]: artem beat surma
ofbusy [-\]: with maximum casualties
]
;W[dk]
;B[df]C[Grunman [8k\]: hoho
kmr [1d\]: this pairing is really strange, leader is playing on board 10 :)
]
;W[cd]
;B[ed]
;W[dd]C[EGC2015c [-\]: Results from EGC tournaments: http://egc2015.cz/results
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;B[ec]C[EGC2015c [-\]: Online stream: http://egc2015.cz/stream
ofbusy [-\]: with 10 rounds i was wondering how they would pair
TurtleDove [5k\]: the last 3 rounds are different. it becomes a knockout format
ofbusy [-\]: as b has the ladder w d15 seems normal to me
ofbusy [-\]: d15 e15 d13 maybe
TurtleDove [5k\]: I guess W e15 is a candidate but more complicated
ofbusy [-\]: e15 d15 e14 could be fun too
maciek [2d\]: b15
Thumb [3d\]: d15 e15 d13 ? c14 seems pretty tough on W
ofbusy [-\]: thumb i was thinking w let b into the corner to take c15 stones
ofbusy [-\]: anyway b b15 is cool
ofbusy [-\]: like it
ofbusy [-\]: w b15 sry
tuquedenne [4d\]: d15 e15 just c14? after c13-b15 it might be hard for b to connect
TurtleDove [5k\]: e18 is a candidate too ?
tuquedenne [4d\]: at least the cut e15 would be possible for white.
saf22si [1d\]: the leader Motoki Noguchi is playing his third chineese player 
saf22si [1d\]: it reminds me the first Chine Japan match 
saf22si [1d\]: is nie wei ping wating somewhere ?
]
;W[ee]
;B[de]
;W[fe]C[maciek [2d\]: Artem played following a secret proverb "play stupid triangle, then think" :)
tuquedenne [4d\]: d18?
Thumb [3d\]: Yes, d18. Mayhem already
flobby [-\]: what's motoki's rating in this tournament?
saf22si [1d\]: 7d
Hikaru123 [7k?\]: looks like 30k game
ofbusy [-\]: no it doesnt ..
kmr [1d\]: without D12-D9 stones fight would be about equal, but now black is in trouble i think
saf22si [1d\]: it will be if b plays F16
Grunman [8k\]: they should have f16 and e14
Thumb [3d\]: Is there some way for w to profit from the corner's death?
gogonuts [4d\]: e16 provoked all this
ofbusy [-\]: seems like fan likes early fights
Thumb [3d\]: D12 is ill-placed to save it I'd say
gruenwald [2d\]: Dunno this joseki
Shedal [?\]: This is cool
maciek [2d\]: d16 was a provocations
gogonuts [4d\]: very normal and easy instead of e16 was b16
gogonuts [4d\]: but b didnt want normal and easy ...
Hikaru123 [7k?\]: Fan is never in trouble
gogonuts [4d\]: and w didnt want to allow e16 an advange
gogonuts [4d\]: e16 was the provocation, d16 the reply :-)
IronCow [2k\]: can we give advice online to players? there is stream aloved)
gogonuts [4d\]: its ok on kgs
gogonuts [4d\]: even when the players are at the computers
gogonuts [4d\]: in this case actually not, because its demo mode
gogonuts [4d\]: but players cannot see other comment on kgs until after the game
gogonuts [4d\]: except each others
gogonuts [4d\]: smart
gogonuts [4d\]: other servers ruin it for kibitzes
Hikaru123 [7k?\]: These comments would just confuse the players if tehy could see them
NightShift [6d\]: w corner shape looks so pretty
Shedal [?\]: Who do you think will get the better off this fight?
ofbusy [-\]: artems style would be to sacrifice d16 stones to make an huge wall - dont think that would be possible here
Hikaru123 [7k?\]: Fan
gogonuts [4d\]: any choice besides e18?
gogonuts [4d\]: b sure seems to be looking for an alternative
liusasori [4d\]: f18?
liusasori [4d\]: seems inferior
slim76 [1k\]: why not d18
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;B[db]
;W[bd]C[Thumb [3d\]: besides d18 you mean 
gogonuts [4d\]: wow
IronCow [2k\]: AAAAA
IronCow [2k\]: so fast !!!!
liusasori [4d\]: good call slim76!
Hikaru123 [7k?\]: hideous shape
]
;B[cb]C[gogonuts [4d\]: b agressive here
]
;W[be]C[gogonuts [4d\]: w had the counter in his pocket though
TurtleDove [5k\]: B feels duty bound to punish the empty triangle. on principle
]
;B[cg]C[saf22si [1d\]: d15 seems very weak to me now
maciek [2d\]: and now?
Hikaru123 [7k?\]: d15 is a 2p move
Grunman [8k\]: which triange?
Thumb [3d\]: C12 
ofbusy [-\]: c13 is something ...
bozboy204 [5k\]: it feels to me that white doesn't have time to fix all of his problems here, b can gain liberties easily with something like e13, and if white takes the time to close that off then b can make shape with b14
Nirvanc [2k\]: Grunman : white's empty triangle
bozboy204 [5k\]: maybe someone stronger can tell me why i'm wrong here?
softlight [2d\]: it's not an easy position
liusasori [4d\]: c13 is "you didn't see that coming right ?"
gomac: c12 seems ok
bozboy204 [5k\]: it feels like b has two ways to run and white is too weak locally to get much out of it
iphone4 [3d\]: d13
Nirvanc [2k\]: c12 b14 e14 ?
Thumb [3d\]: d13 e14 f14 e13 ? difficult too
gomac: c12 b14 d13
softlight [2d\]: @bozboy if white connects under or kill d14 it'd be a lot better for white, so we need to wait and see the result
gomac: opps
gomac: maybe isn't working
bozboy204 [5k\]: d14 looks very hard to kill, obviously if white can kill then it would be a great result
NightShift [6d\]: i think w d13 is overplay
Hikaru123 [7k?\]: forget about killing d14
gomac: the most important is alive
gruenwald [2d\]: W has to sacrify?
gomac: which group
snowy [1k\]: hard start for w? ><
Hikaru123 [7k?\]: w needs to  give B16 stones
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;W[ch]C[fujiyama [8k\]: in this situation white Artem no way out?
gomac: finally
fujiyama [8k\]: b13 black to connect under
gomac: Artem want to sacrify or really have way to save the c16 group?
Nirvanc [2k\]: b14 removes one liberty
softlight [2d\]: b14 d13?
fujiyama [8k\]: b13-b12-d13-e14-b14-white conect
NightShift [6d\]: just searched a pro database, seems like e15 might be overplay, pros chose e18 or b15 at that moment
liusasori [4d\]: if b play b14 w will exchange e18 f18 f17 etc to have a better shape before d13 imo
liusasori [4d\]: so b d18 was an overplay as well ?
fujiyama [8k\]: white can connect with a13 finally i suppose so
NightShift [6d\]: no idea, too complicated :p
gomac: I can't read...
softlight [2d\]: seems w can connect under
starstruck [3d\]: b might play b14
Nirvanc [2k\]: b14 d13 e14 b13 a14 = ko ?
liusasori [4d\]: look like if w connect under b get a poor result here
softlight [2d\]: e14 f13 maybe
Xylol [4k\]: c9 is the first move i cannot find in a pro game.
billlin [9d\]: e18 could be exchanged if w wants to sacrifice
starstruck [3d\]: but black might come out at f17
gogonuts [4d\]: if b12 d13?
Xylol [4k\]: d9*
bozboy204 [5k\]: seems black has to prevent the easy connection underneath
billlin [9d\]: if b goes b14 then
billlin [9d\]: e18 works 
starstruck [3d\]: yeah that seems good timing
Xylol [4k\]: @billing thx for commenting.
billlin [9d\]: because f17 would give b18 sente
fujiyama [8k\]: B   b13
ofbusy [-\]: b d13 would be funny
fujiyama [8k\]: but because of black triangle white connect 
NightShift [6d\]: only pro or 30k can play d13 here
liusasori [4d\]: b can't start a ko now because he has no threat and w has (e18)
gomac: b14 e18 f18 e17 e19 f16 e18 d13?
fujiyama [8k\]: not D13  black B 13
softlight [2d\]: @billin can black think about some preparation move ? something like c9
fujiyama [8k\]: but there are also other options
Hikaru123 [7k?\]: c9 = resign
starstruck [3d\]: black can't tenuki easily because then white would attack the top and get big advantages
gomac: b13 is ok?
fujiyama [8k\]: yes but the result is not as good for black because white connect whith A13 after several moves
]
;B[bf]C[gomac: oh?
starstruck [3d\]: now i want to see the e18
]
;W[eb]C[gomac: :)
billlin [9d\]: as expected lool
Hikaru123 [7k?\]: Ooooo Ahhhhh...
Nirvanc [2k\]: ^^
starstruck [3d\]: white is prepared
starstruck [3d\]: and black may have some trouble
Shedal [?\]: what kind of trouble?
chagi [-\]: shibori beginning
billlin [9d\]: if w gets to seal completely he will lead
gomac: Fan...hui...
ofbusy [-\]: like, death
starstruck [3d\]: opening failure troulbe
snowy [1k\]: omnomnom
fujiyama [8k\]: then black has the choice :)
billlin [9d\]: only 18 pts in the corner
gomac: but strong
ofbusy [-\]: w d13 dont kill ?
IronCow [2k\]: d13 is like ko?
Shedal [?\]: This is a cool start of the game
IronCow [2k\]: hmm
ofbusy [-\]: hm theres this ko thing too sure
fujiyama [8k\]: black ladder or corner?
gomac: ladder?
softlight [2d\]: how old is artem ?
fujiyama [8k\]: if black f18 then white d13
]
;B[fc]C[Nirvanc [2k\]: another empty triangle =)
TurtleDove [5k\]: maybe 22 or so
maciek [2d\]: haha
maciek [2d\]: best game here
Shedal [?\]: Yes, 22
starstruck [3d\]: black says i can sacrifice too :P
]
;W[dg]C[fujiyama [8k\]: fan hui said to me " not empty triangel, bad forme :P"
fujiyama [8k\]: d13 is normal
Thumb [3d\]: isn't b simply caght in geta?
Thumb [3d\]: *caught
macro [?\]: looks like it
starstruck [3d\]: there is a hane at b12 and some pushes
fujiyama [8k\]: Black B17 ?
gomac: not now
Xylol [4k\]: no
Thumb [3d\]: e14 
Xylol [4k\]: e14 sente
Hikaru123 [7k?\]: B17 is useless
fujiyama [8k\]: e14 then f13
starstruck [3d\]: not that net fuji, black would get out through f14
tuquedenne [4d\]: looks like a disaster Thumb
Hikaru123 [7k?\]: what a terrible opening
fujiyama [8k\]: but F18 seems to me the better move
]
;B[ef]
;W[ff]C[macro [?\]: e14 f14 e13 
]
;B[eg]C[macro [?\]: must
]
;W[fh]C[Nirvanc [2k\]: b12
gomac: terrrrible
tuquedenne [4d\]: B12?
macro [?\]: b squeezes out, maybe not that bad
Thumb [3d\]: not yet a disaster, as b12 worksish
gogonuts [4d\]: artems reading has become pretty kickass, maybe its his tournament
ofbusy [-\]: b 12 is logical
billlin [9d\]: b12, then e12
gomac: but how about the upper part
Manslay [4k\]: b12 b10 ?
fujiyama [8k\]: f18 logical
tuquedenne [4d\]: but b is winning the semeai isn't he billin?
gomac: i mean the f17 group
billlin [9d\]: b has to b12 
starstruck [3d\]: well white already has life in the corner possible so
tuquedenne [4d\]: maybe a big semedori
starstruck [3d\]: white has some resources
billlin [9d\]: that gives w sente to f18 then b18 maybe
fujiyama [8k\]: yes billin
tuquedenne [4d\]: b12 e12 b11 f13 c14 a14 b13 f18 g17 g18 b17 h17 g16 
]
;B[bh]
;W[eh]C[Nirvanc [2k\]: b10 ?
NightShift [6d\]: goooo wonder boy
tuquedenne [4d\]: oh, b18 instead of g18 then
softlight [2d\]: tuquedenne, does w need to g18 or just b18 and live?
starstruck [3d\]: choices choices
fujiyama [8k\]: f18 sente?
gomac: b11
tuquedenne [4d\]: yeah that's right softlight
Xylol [4k\]: b11 ?
gomac: b10
tuquedenne [4d\]: so b has to sacrifize c18-d18?
Thumb [3d\]: hm. b18 - b19
Xylol [4k\]: think so
tuquedenne [4d\]: then c17, Thumb?
fujiyama [8k\]: 20 points if white sacrifice white stones
Thumb [3d\]: yes, it's still ko
bleen [1d\]: better for white sacrificing black stones
]
;B[bj]
;W[fg]
;B[cf]
;W[af]
;B[bg]C[tuquedenne [4d\]: is it?
bleen [1d\]: most cases
fujiyama [8k\]: f18 now
]
;W[fb]
;B[gc]
;W[bb]C[gomac: 1 more
macro [?\]: so who's better now?
Hikaru123 [7k?\]: why not w g17?
fujiyama [8k\]: good result for white :)
Hikaru123 [7k?\]: G18
NightShift [6d\]: i remember this shape from 38 basic joseki.... oh wait
Hikaru123 [7k?\]: I mean
starstruck [3d\]: b can't capture the two stones right away but should get them anyway
starstruck [3d\]: for now g18
chagi [-\]: NightShift , is it really a "basic" joseki ?
bleen [1d\]: no ^^
starstruck [3d\]: or hmm
gomac: complicated
ofbusy [-\]: live & let live
starstruck [3d\]: can white already play b9 if g18 is the question
Brouzouf [-\]: he was joking
fujiyama [8k\]: white alive but 2 stones sacrifice
gomac: you mean 38 difficult joseki?
starstruck [3d\]: looks like yes
starstruck [3d\]: g18 b9 miai
starstruck [3d\]: doom for black
macro [?\]: if w ignores g18 should be ko
NightShift [6d\]: b reading if he can exchange g18 before c8/9
]
;B[cl]
;W[gb]
;B[hc]C[Shedal [?\]: nice
gomac: wow
starstruck [3d\]: couldn't but now g18 and h18 sooo painful
Nirvanc [2k\]: g18 c17 f19 a17 b19 a15 a18 = ko for white's life ?
Grunman [8k\]: L17?
ofbusy [-\]: w won the fight
Shedal [?\]: Isn't W much better now?
NightShift [6d\]: it was w's corner
starstruck [3d\]: oh
starstruck [3d\]: maybe not g18
starstruck [3d\]: er h18
starstruck [3d\]: hmm
]
;W[jc]C[gomac: h18
NightShift [6d\]: yeah use the thickness killkill
ofbusy [-\]: k17 is painful
tuquedenne [4d\]: this is what they call "severe" :)
Shedal [?\]: It W's corner, but now W got the corner + the thickness + B's weak group to attack
starstruck [3d\]: it's because black would still have a ko in the corner
starstruck [3d\]: so normally white pushes at h18 to remove sente but instead white induces himself to fix
macro [?\]: i wonder if w wants to give those 3 stones back
Shedal [?\]: what ko?
]
;B[hb]
;W[cc]C[Shedal [?\]: ah, the ko!
Shedal [?\]: not anymore
gomac: thats good
billlin [9d\]: b is losing quite badly
NightShift [6d\]: w 10 pts, b 7 pts, w thickness looks nice
Shedal [?\]: Go Artem!!
lalka [10k?\]: да вообще капец что творится.
Manslay [4k\]: thickness vs weakness
]
;B[id]C[Nirvanc [2k\]: black have a better position on the bottom side
gomac: later black f3
fujiyama [8k\]: for me the best result for white
NightShift [6d\]: so where was b's error? d18?
]
;W[jd]
;B[if]
;W[je]C[gomac: thick
gomac: ness
Shedal [?\]: thick as a castle wall
Thumb [3d\]: h14
ofbusy [-\]: the game is still open more than half the board to fill :p
mnmn: h13
ofbusy [-\]: h14 
]
;B[ie]C[Manslay [4k\]: pro move :P
gomac: j15 :)
ofbusy [-\]: why j15 i dont get it
NightShift [6d\]: he has half an eye this way
starstruck [3d\]: this way black ccan make an eye with g15
starstruck [3d\]: later on
ofbusy [-\]: ok thx
gomac: will w keep pushing
]
;W[jg]C[starstruck [3d\]: if for example h14 then w could poke it out with g16
NightShift [6d\]: wow w breaking the proverbs
NightShift [6d\]: never one space jump a peep
]
;B[jf]C[Shedal [?\]: Thickness makes more thickness, which in turn can make even more thickness
Nirvanc [2k\]: it's a geta =p
biebz2004 [1d\]: w is making 10th line territory
gomac: thickness can turn to weakness
MutoKenji [9k\]: :)
Manslay [4k\]: should have been keima
macro [?\]: agree, what is this?
starstruck [3d\]: or maybe just o17 instead of jumping but idk
NightShift [6d\]: surely no need to think for this move..
TurtleDove [5k\]: W must have had raw steak for breakfast
fujiyama [8k\]: W L 14 to close
invoker [5d\]: w is maybe gone 
invoker [5d\]: cause seriously this move is kinda obvious 
Manslay [4k\]: ragequit
iphone4 [3d\]: L14 is a must, nothing to think here
fujiyama [8k\]: i agree iphone
invoker [5d\]: tenuki ? 
invoker [5d\]: trololololo
gomac: j13 lol
NightShift [6d\]: j13 pro move
TurtleDove [5k\]: might o17 ?
NightShift [6d\]: he will l14
starstruck [3d\]: w will first l14
fujiyama [8k\]: the only tenuki is c11
NightShift [6d\]: i would bet my house on it
starstruck [3d\]: c11 isn't even big enough
Nirvanc [2k\]: j12 better than j13 ;)
macro [?\]: what kind of house are we talking?
NightShift [6d\]: a wendy house
gomac: broken house
]
;W[kf]
;B[hh]C[NightShift [6d\]: i bet k12
Nirvanc [2k\]: f14 influence broke now
macro [?\]: k12 looks strange
gomac: yea
fujiyama [8k\]: but black still running ^^
Nirvanc [2k\]: this is why i don't like k17
NightShift [6d\]: i like k17 but i woulda played k13 at o17
gomac: where should w play now
NightShift [6d\]: artem knows best tho
Xylol [4k\]: at least better than me...
chrayma [7k\]: O17 ?
]
;W[kg]C[tuquedenne [4d\]: h11?
]
;B[ii]C[tuquedenne [4d\]: mh better shape :)
Brouzouf [-\]: I did not see this coming
]
;W[hj]C[NightShift [6d\]: fast
Xylol [4k\]: these pros are not bad regarding shape
tuquedenne [4d\]: so at the end of the day is it really good for w?
gomac: Go artem !
NightShift [6d\]: doesn't seem all that great
fujiyama [8k\]: the coming is simple, black pressure on the center
Nirvanc [2k\]: black is not building
macro [?\]: looks meh at best. two weakish groups
NightShift [6d\]: w still happy though
Nirvanc [2k\]: j10
Manslay [4k\]: why not smth like m16 first?
Shedal [?\]: G15 doesn't make an eye anymore
gomac: why?
Shedal [?\]: because W J13
]
;B[ij]
;W[hk]C[fujiyama [8k\]: white has to be carefull now  , not to be killed
Xylol [4k\]: f12 wont be killed that easy
Nirvanc [2k\]: I would play L11, but i think there is a better move
]
;B[ik]
;W[hl]C[tuquedenne [4d\]: m15?
fujiyama [8k\]: so black gain a good center influence now :)
gomac: um
Shedal [?\]: Ma15 feels too early
Shedal [?\]: M15*
softlight [2d\]: that's not a good center influence
softlight [2d\]: that's 3 stones in the center
TurtleDove [5k\]: m15 yes
Manslay [4k\]: heavyness
fujiyama [8k\]: m16 ^^ for black
Xylol [4k\]: j11 is attacking f13 and k15 
Xylol [4k\]: isnt it?
starstruck [3d\]: more like the opposit
fujiyama [8k\]: the M16 fighter attacking white ring formation
iphone4 [3d\]: you say as if a dog is attacking 2 tihers
iphone4 [3d\]: tigers
Xylol [4k\]: once h10 is save maybe?
Xylol [4k\]: ahh j10
gomac: tenuki?
ofbusy [-\]: j8 ?
Shedal [?\]: B can't tenuki, he must strengthen his weak group
]
;B[jm]
;W[nc]
;B[qf]C[Xylol [4k\]: live stream anywhere?
fujiyama [8k\]: i don't see this game on live?
ofbusy [-\]: k7 keima has weaknesses...
Brouzouf [-\]: w seems to be very happy
storn [3k\]: live??
storn [3k\]: Any games in live stream?? where?
woodpecker [?\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5EcSYUKRGQ
fujiyama [8k\]: not so happy because h6 black move possible
storn [3k\]: wow! thnx!
ofbusy [-\]: game seems pretty even to me now
Xylol [4k\]: ty
Xylol [4k\]: is it Inseong on the left?
Xylol [4k\]: (my stream is standing still)
gomac: can you see artem?
TurtleDove [5k\]: Fan Hui very clever. W corner top left is only 12 pts or so
Xylol [4k\]: which row?
tuquedenne [4d\]: it's 10 points
EGC2015c [-\]: we are streaming several rooms, not one game
ofbusy [-\]: its 11.5 points
gomac: see you guys later
Xylol [4k\]: so whos right is it to play xy
Manslay [4k\]: they are resuming the game
]
;W[co]
;B[dn]
;W[ck]
;B[bk]
;W[ci]
;B[bi]
;W[dl]C[Xylol [4k\]: EGC why do you rotate the board?
starstruck [3d\]: it's 10 points but in any case top left ended well for whtie
Xylol [4k\]: isnt this difficult for you?
tchitchi [1d\]: oh haylee is gonna make a lecture this afternoon
NightShift [6d\]: less than 11.5 cos b's moves are more sente than w's
dixxa: Is there someone knowledgeable who could explain K7 ?
NightShift [6d\]: but could be more than 10 in some strange yose scenario
dixxa: K7 allowing 017
starstruck [3d\]: odds of white getting to g19 first are immensely small
ofbusy [-\]: right nightshift
Xylol [4k\]: the black group was still in danger and run away, with some potential to the bottom and somehow related to the black BR hoshi
NightShift [6d\]: yes so basically 10 :)
TurtleDove [5k\]: point is, it's not big and where are W potential points elsewherre ?
NightShift [6d\]: 10.1 :p
billlin [9d\]: i would choose N17 as b over k7, but hes the pro
starstruck [3d\]: i was thinking of m15 and m17 myself so i'll side with you too billin
Xylol [4k\]: EGC2015c why do you rotate the board?
ofbusy [-\]: eastern pro as more wisdom some say
EGC2015c [-\]: Xylol: what do you mean by "rotate"?:)
Xylol [4k\]: you rotate the board 90° counter clockwise
yukinosita [5d\]: Is roln and FanHui the strongest in this League?
moesasji [?\]: point of view of gamerecorder
yukinosita [5d\]: Or any new star in Europe?ilya and FanHui is very famous for a long time even we asians know
starstruck [3d\]: well there is cheater
NightShift [6d\]: should be those two
yukinosita [5d\]: hmm...cheater play with 7d+ looks overplay a lot ..I saw he get punished many games ......
EGC2015c [-\]: Xylol: Ah, It does'nt make me a problem ;)
Xylol [4k\]: yukinosita
TurtleDove [5k\]: they are pretty much all in this tournament so take your pick
Xylol [4k\]: http://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/createalleuro3.php?country=**&dgob=true
Xylol [4k\]: european top players. + cheater plays kgs blitz games thats more like blunder gambling.
]
;B[bn]
;W[fq]
;B[li]C[Xylol [4k\]: ty EGC
NightShift [6d\]: fan hui very solid
Xylol [4k\]: b pro :-P
maciek [2d\]: this joseki will never end :D
]
;W[qn]C[Xylol [4k\]: q9 
ofbusy [-\]: m11 is cool gives some kind of central power
yukinosita [5d\]: yeah Night. I don't know when he young,is he played more wild
]
;B[ql]C[Shedal [?\]: who is in the lead now?
Xylol [4k\]: b
]
;W[pl]C[yukinosita [5d\]: yeah right side is so huge and left bottom corner w sooner or later need a move to solid its points
]
;B[qk]C[Xylol [4k\]: can this be good for w? black is getting something around QR9
Shedal [?\]: I don't feel like W's thickness has been utilizied in the best way
Xylol [4k\]: working good with R14
]
;W[on]C[Grunman [8k\]: and doesn't b need to play solid moves?
GoPostal [3d?\]: w should be leading
gogonuts [4d\]: w preferable imo
]
;B[np]C[ofbusy [-\]: maybe w pushed b a little too much in the center or too soon
herissondu [4d?\]: m11 and k7 give b an interesting position
]
;W[qm]C[Pettyx2 [3k\]: looks like not everybody sees eye to eye as to who has the lead
NightShift [6d\]: k13 didn't seem to pay off
Xylol [4k\]: b defend corner or Q9?
Xylol [4k\]: or even p10
Manslay [4k\]: q9 just helps white to biuld shape
gogonuts [4d\]: instead of k13 j11?
ofbusy [-\]: i think q9 is a must
chrayma [7k\]: K3 ?
Manslay [4k\]: p8 would destroy it though
yukinosita [5d\]: what about if w get q9? :-)
Xylol [4k\]: yukinosita how about p10?
]
;B[le]C[yukinosita [5d\]: bad
]
;W[md]C[yukinosita [5d\]: cut is just powerful
Xylol [4k\]: no pressure on white?
ofbusy [-\]: m15 makes nice aji
Rayoz [6d\]: j3 
Xylol [4k\]: n15
ofbusy [-\]: maybe s5 is more likely after this exchange ?
TurtleDove [5k\]: j3 for either seems biggest area after this 
]
;B[me]
;W[ne]
;B[nf]
;W[oe]C[yukinosita [5d\]: oops...
yukinosita [5d\]: what is b want ?
Xylol [4k\]: idk
yukinosita [5d\]: this seems he must loss his sente
ofbusy [-\]: b a little brutish here
herissondu [4d?\]: how much time left?
billlin [9d\]: because hes behind
]
;B[ke]
;W[of]C[yukinosita [5d\]: wow
yukinosita [5d\]: entered artem's thick power mode?
softlight [2d\]: like some people against bots
EGC2015c [-\]: b 73 minutes left, w 101 min.
Shedal [?\]: incrazible game
Xylol [4k\]: e12 alive already?
herissondu [4d?\]: ok; thanks
yukinosita [5d\]: Black seems played angrily 
TurtleDove [5k\]: n13 looks ok ?
yukinosita [5d\]: seems good
]
;B[mg]
;W[ng]C[yukinosita [5d\]: o13 would help w to build power
gomac: hello,what happened
ofbusy [-\]: b s disregard of the R side is a little weird
yukinosita [5d\]: the 3 stones is not eaten in good tasty 
gomac: m13
Rayoz [6d\]: o13 was better i think
]
;B[lg]
;W[mf]
;B[lf]C[yukinosita [5d\]: almost the typical text book said in worst tasty 
Rayoz [6d\]: this is so bad for b
yukinosita [5d\]: billllin said FanHui know he is behind
]
;W[qg]C[Shedal [?\]: what is Artem's overall statistics against Fan?
ofbusy [-\]: maybe b on tilt
yukinosita [5d\]: need some urgent policy (more polite for talking about the player instead of overplay ?)
Xylol [4k\]: r7 alive?
yukinosita [5d\]: it was said almost not any european could beat FanHui but I saw Fan lose quite some games this year on KGS
yukinosita [5d\]: I meant tournament games shown on KGS
bozboy204 [5k\]: looks like b may have to choose between keeping the corner or keeping r7alive
Xylol [4k\]: yukinosita, kgs is fun not serious
Xylol [4k\]: ah ok
tuquedenne [4d\]: during the Team championship he won only against Artem, lost against Popic and Lukas Podpera
billlin [9d\]: i dont understand what b is doing 0.0
yukinosita [5d\]: urgent policy too much ^^
Manslay [4k\]: egd says Fan Hui won 4 of 4 vs Artem
gogonuts [4d\]: b trying to turn the tide, but w answering well
herissondu [4d?\]: maybe he is too old, he should retire
billlin [9d\]: well this one is less likely
TurtleDove [5k\]: too old lol
gogonuts [4d\]: thats the problem with the tide turning :-)
gomac: m3 will big later?
TurtleDove [5k\]: he's not 75 !
yukinosita [5d\]: 34 or 35 y.o not so old in europe ( and even Japan but not KOR or CHN)
gomac: you mean who
yukinosita [5d\]: Fan 
gomac: ah ok
Xylol [4k\]: if b could get k17 
TurtleDove [5k\]: boy thinks 35 is old :D
]
;B[qe]C[gogonuts [4d\]: they used to think that you couldnt win one of the japanese big three under the age of 40
Shedal [?\]: Dinerchtein is 35, too
gogonuts [4d\]: times have changed
gogonuts [4d\]: the young punks rule
Hikaru123 [7k?\]: Old people got younger
Xylol [4k\]: Diner is not older?
ofbusy [-\]: even federer is old
yukinosita [5d\]: yes but Fan was well- known for almost unbeatable
gogonuts [4d\]: actually, the level of the game has gone up quite a bit
Shedal [?\]: as was Alexandre
bleen [1d\]: european got up recently
bleen [1d\]: they are working hard
gogonuts [4d\]: so many new ultra strong players
]
;W[rg]C[bleen [1d\]: sharp move
gomac: But i think diner is 38 yrs old
Shedal [?\]: his birthday is April 19, 1980
NightShift [6d\]: but none quite caught roln yet
Xylol [4k\]: ok thx
yukinosita [5d\]: This seems almost the worst mode for black
gogonuts [4d\]: s13 is throwing down the gauntlet
yukinosita [5d\]: so many miai
yukinosita [5d\]: W just easily q9 next 
yukinosita [5d\]: or b gave the corner
gomac: seems w win easily?
yukinosita [5d\]: well 
NightShift [6d\]: wow this game changed so much, last move i saw was n16
yukinosita [5d\]: q9 first 
yukinosita [5d\]: but w still tenuki 
]
;B[pb]C[Xylol [4k\]: can b L17?
gomac: can w p10?
yukinosita [5d\]: w just ignore and kill the corner 
yukinosita [5d\]: < L17 
TurtleDove [5k\]: if W kill r9 in gote, B gets k3 or so
]
;W[mi]C[yukinosita [5d\]: a move but not so big l17 
yukinosita [5d\]: now 
Xylol [4k\]: ok ty
yukinosita [5d\]: not even kill cleaningly as w don't answer first 
gomac: Can artem kill r15 grop
gomac: group
yukinosita [5d\]: would be ridiculously w got some sente around  
saf22si [1d\]: n11 prevents m 17 ?
hgffdx: r15 not killable
herissondu [4d?\]: i don't really understand n11
Xylol [4k\]: attacking r9?
pastlink [?\]: it looks like white will explode in few time
hgffdx: maybe w thinks n11 is a forcing move
NightShift [6d\]: thing with l17 is w prob got some free move at p18 that might defend it
herissondu [4d?\]: well, if he wanted to attack r9 he would have played q9
yukinosita [5d\]: he wanna drunk the r8 r9 largely I guess>heriss
gomac: I agree
herissondu [4d?\]: ah right night
gogonuts [4d\]: i has faith in w
gogonuts [4d\]: he's shown great reading
Xylol [4k\]: i should get a better reading, i think will be more fun to watch :D
gogonuts [4d\]: have#
billlin [9d\]: very aggressive play
herissondu [4d?\]: but capturing r9 looks bigger
fuzhou [4d\]: looks like a chance for b
billlin [9d\]: it should work but w doesnt need to be this aggressive
TurtleDove [5k\]: yes W was awesome yesterday
Xylol [4k\]: Artem getting KGS look
saf22si [1d\]: q11 ?
gomac: what?
gogonuts [4d\]: i think n11 shows that w decided that he cant capture directly
Xylol [4k\]: he went up and watched the board from above :-P
yukinosita [5d\]: wiining mode is not spiritual enough for player at high dan level maybe ^^
yukinosita [5d\]: his soul is demanding
billlin [9d\]: ehh not for me im usually content
fuzhou [4d\]: relapse into low-dan-greed
Xylol [4k\]: btw yukinosita and the others ty for commenting
gomac: can you see artem in the live stream?
ofbusy [-\]: the game is very favorable for w...
yukinosita [5d\]: But this entered b may have chance in read-fighting mode
gomac: a fighting game?
herissondu [4d?\]: if w doesn't capture r9, he doesn't have much points
pastlink [?\]: fan like this type of game
Xylol [4k\]: pastlink is it so?
yukinosita [5d\]: try to kill something bigger is always make the aji looks stranger
bleen [1d\]: he told him
bleen [1d\]: better believe it
gomac: What is their time?
TurtleDove [5k\]: loads of time left. it's a 5 hour game
]
;B[od]C[bleen [1d\]: the settigs are so nice
]
;W[nd]C[yukinosita [5d\]: hmm
Xylol [4k\]: too bad inseong isnt playing i would love to see some serious games :-)
Xylol [4k\]: bleen+1
Brouzouf [-\]: this seems pretty serious
Xylol [4k\]: yeah :D serious inseong games.
yukinosita [5d\]: inseong is korean?
Xylol [4k\]: yes
TurtleDove [5k\]: yes
Xylol [4k\]: strongest european rating
yukinosita [5d\]: Ah I see
gomac: how strong???
Xylol [4k\]: 2800+
pastlink [?\]: fan always look like to have a bad game to me... but if find strong way to complicate the game
bleen [1d\]: very strong
yukinosita [5d\]: So they are the new King replaced Fan Hui 's position 
gomac: I mean his rank
Xylol [4k\]: 8d?
bleen [1d\]: 8d 
]
;B[pg]C[yukinosita [5d\]: the rating is come from matches result lol 
saf22si [1d\]: how is there is no korean player but Kim young sam ?
Xylol [4k\]: you have to be related to egf/europe
yukinosita [5d\]: 8d but 4-5p rating I heard 
Xylol [4k\]: so the chinese/japanese/kor pros arent in the rating.
]
;W[ph]C[Xylol [4k\]: yukinosita, it is difficult to tell
yukinosita [5d\]: I can't enter the link Xylol give me at the beginning about EGR rating right now
gomac: Europe Go Federation?
Xylol [4k\]: http://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/createalleuro3.php?country=**&dgob=true
kmr [1d\]: no, EGC is open, but only EGF related ppl can participate in later knockout to determine EU champ
bleen [1d\]: http://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/Player_Card.php?&key=14201286
]
;B[oh]C[bleen [1d\]: this is hwangs card
bleen [1d\]: quite impressive
kmr [1d\]: year before some CHN 4p joined and demolished all players
Xylol [4k\]: 2806 GoR is so impressive.
ofbusy [-\]: that double hane seems creative
gomac: see you later :D
pastlink [?\]: p13 q14 q11 ?
bleen [1d\]: n11 off topic
another [1d\]: what a nice conterattack !
chestr [1d\]: p13 q11 ?
pastlink [?\]: yes maybe
pastlink [?\]: but hard to understand b plan
Hikaru123 [6k?\]: b is looking for opportunity to resign?
pastlink [?\]: maybe p13 q11 q14 r12 q13 
fuzhou [4d\]: just q11
TurtleDove [5k\]: just using the r9 aji plus that o17 has no eyes
fuzhou [4d\]: if p13 then probably q11
pastlink [?\]: yes q11 better probably
ofbusy [-\]: thats the plan i think
pastlink [?\]: but q11 p13 ?
Nirvanc [2k\]: p11
chestr [1d\]: mb n12 first w
]
;W[og]C[loupida [-\]: go go go fan !
]
;B[hq]C[bleen [1d\]: fan is enlarging risk
bleen [1d\]: this will be interesting still
flobby [-\]: am i the only one who thinks its a difficult game for w
]
;W[bq]C[Xylol [4k\]: i dont get the timing for the tenuki
ofbusy [-\]: b3 is a nice alien move
Intet [2d\]: i prefer b too
herissondu [4d?\]: how much time left?
TurtleDove [5k\]: B l3 good kyu move. but W still has r3
]
;B[fr]
;W[er]C[ofbusy [-\]: dont worry herrisson they can play till 4 pm
EGC2015c [-\]: b 44, w 83 min.
Nirvanc [2k\]: Thx
]
;B[gi]
;W[cm]
;B[bl]
;W[dm]C[herissondu [4d?\]: ty
]
;B[bm]
;W[en]C[Nirvanc [2k\]: Is S4 the best endgame right now ?
]
;B[eo]C[hitaus [2k\]: could something againts bottom left be still sente, like G2?
]
;W[fn]C[Nirvanc [2k\]: f4
Xylol [4k\]: straight 8 on first line in high dan game :D
ofbusy [-\]: res :)
storn [3k\]: what about right top? 
storn [3k\]: w doesnt look as alive yet
]
;B[pf]
;W[pi]
;B[ri]C[ofbusy [-\]: that seems pretty deep
]
;W[qi]C[denisw [1k\]: P10
ofbusy [-\]: p9 same idea maybe better
topf [5k\]: how much time do they have left?
Xylol [4k\]: EGC2015c [-\]: b 44, w 83 min.
Xylol [4k\]: like 10 minutes ago
EGC2015c [-\]: :))
ofbusy [-\]: but i doubt b can kill o17 group cause q16 group is weak too
topf [5k\]: thank you
topf [5k\]: i just tuned in
TurtleDove [5k\]: dunno, naybe B just wants s14 in sente
Nirvanc [2k\]: I think he wants to rescue r9 stones
Nirvanc [2k\]: then he could have s4 in sente
]
;B[pk]
;W[ol]
;B[nj]C[kyzma84 [2d\]: 10 p ?
Shedal [?\]: beautiful
gogonuts [4d\]: looks to me like capturing q13 was better than answering at b3
wade [5d\]: w cant cut nice reading by fan
stj1997 [1d\]: m12
hgffdx: p9 p10 q10 p11 this is the trap ?
hgffdx: what about p10 for w ?
kyzma84 [2d\]: p10 only i think 
]
;W[mh]
;B[lh]
;W[ok]C[hgffdx: wat
apina [1d\]: this looks dangerous
apina [1d\]: but maybe it works
asahin: o10 is sente ?
hgffdx: p10 p11 o11 o12 q10 n10 o9 m8 ?
asahin: p10 sorry
Xylol [4k\]: so b o10?
mnmn: p10 q10 p11 then w in trouble ?
Xylol [4k\]: p10 p11 q10 
apina [1d\]: b p10 looks interesting and good, but better to leave them count
apina [1d\]: or even some high dan here
Xylol [4k\]: p10 p11 q10 n10 
wade [5d\]: p10 p11 q10 n10 o9 doesnt work for w
Xylol [4k\]: b getting away but w alive is not enough for w?
gogonuts [4d\]: w extremely fierce here
]
;B[oj]
;W[oi]
;B[pj]
;W[mj]C[Hikaru123 [6k?\]: w lost his cool?
Xylol [4k\]: maybe only way
]
;B[nk]C[Hikaru123 [6k?\]: how can w win now?
ofbusy [-\]: isnt it a geta ?
Xylol [4k\]: thats the only reason he plays the same moves i have in mind Oo
Intet [2d\]: n8?
Xylol [4k\]: no
Nirvanc [2k\]: m8
mnmn: how does m8  fail ?
Xylol [4k\]: n8 o11 o12 n9 m9 m10 m8 
Hikaru123 [6k?\]: yes
gogonuts [4d\]: ah, q10 was absolutely impossible for w
Hikaru123 [6k?\]: useless
ofbusy [-\]: m8 y
gogonuts [4d\]: q10 p11 r12 r10 s8 s10 
gogonuts [4d\]: the "safety" move at b3 is looking worse and worse
Hikaru123 [6k?\]: safety move, lol. more like losing move
gogonuts [4d\]: but its still an open game
mnmn: m8 too obvious to me
mnmn: i wonder what wade read here
gogonuts [4d\]: the question is if w has enough pressure against the b stones
]
;W[ll]C[Xylol [4k\]: this is gonna be fierce
gogonuts [4d\]: if not, w has two group with eye trouble
Nirvanc [2k\]: n7
Xylol [4k\]: black can push o11 to eliminate 1 lib of n10 
Xylol [4k\]: and use that to break out
herissondu [4d?\]: not really
Xylol [4k\]: nvm
Nirvanc [2k\]: o11 o12 connect
ofbusy [-\]: b cant escape..
Intet [2d\]: read before talking lol
Xylol [4k\]: i had an illusion
hitaus [2k\]: Xylol, what's the probability this is gonna be a farce?
Xylol [4k\]: dont use big words on me
Pettyx2 [3k\]: what about n 8?
Xylol [4k\]: n8 n7 
asahin: n7 ?
]
;B[nm]C[kyzma84 [2d\]: n8 - n7 -m7 
hitaus [2k\]: Xylol, did you go big? Been a big year so far?
Nirvanc [2k\]: OOOOOH
Nirvanc [2k\]: o7 is powerfull
noob1d [5d?\]: artem is crushing fan hui
Xylol [4k\]: hitaus no idea what youre talking bout
hitaus [2k\]: Fan is playing big moves in the center
ofbusy [-\]: n7 
mnmn: w n7 now ?
storn [3k\]: w still doesnt look as alife((
gogonuts [4d\]: the net is breaking
]
;W[mm]C[fujiyama [8k\]: cutting depend of black semeai 
noob1d [5d?\]: until now, complete ownage by w
ofbusy [-\]: hmm n8 ?
bitzi [-\]: i read this o7 variation, coulnd't figure out what black does now
gogonuts [4d\]: b m9?
Nirvanc [2k\]: n8 m6
ofbusy [-\]: ok
gogonuts [4d\]: hm, i was wrong
kyzma84 [2d\]: n8- m7
fujiyama [8k\]: O6 W
]
;B[mk]
;W[lk]C[softlight [2d\]: is there a live stream ?
pandaah [2k\]: http://egc2015.cz/stream
gogonuts [4d\]: this shape means that o7 wasnt the great tesuji that it seemed to be
asahin: game should end sooner than expected
]
;B[nn]
;W[nl]C[fujiyama [8k\]: I fo blach has not tesuji?
]
;B[ml]
;W[lm]C[fujiyama [8k\]: m10 cut?
bitzi [-\]: b does not seem to have many liberties
mnmn: black has almost-sente at R10, then sente at S12. almost alive shape inside with s7
stj1997 [1d\]: p5
gogonuts [4d\]: m10 is too slow
mnmn: so white must be careful with R6 libs
kyzma84 [2d\]: s 7 ?
noob1d [5d?\]: r5 maybe
ofbusy [-\]: p5 q7 s7 ?
stj1997 [1d\]: p5 is sente
fujiyama [8k\]: p7
mnmn: oops, r10 is not almost-sente.. its nothing
Intet [2d\]: o7 was a mistake for me
stj1997 [1d\]: p5 q7 s5
gogonuts [4d\]: not s5
asahin: how much time do they have left ?
gogonuts [4d\]: cannot lose right side
gogonuts [4d\]: must fight
stj1997 [1d\]: no s5?
stj1997 [1d\]: then white will s4
stj1997 [1d\]: how can black hs libs to fight with it
mnmn: he said r5 instead of s5
mnmn: because b s5 has problems with r4 is suppose
gogonuts [4d\]: too hard
stj1997 [1d\]: I dunno
stj1997 [1d\]: still go for s5
gogonuts [4d\]: i just watch it like a movie now
Intet [2d\]: b resign
Mukti [3d\]: Prpbably b O5, but hard to see how b can get enough libs to win the semeai.
fujiyama [8k\]: black has 4 libs and white much more
Mukti [3d\]: P5*
noob1d [5d?\]: w in control of the game from the very beginning
Nirvanc [2k\]: Can we have players'time please ?
fuzhou [4d\]: what about p5-q7-s7-s6-s9?
fujiyama [8k\]: yes EGC where can we find the clock timers?
EGC2015c [-\]: b 10 minutes left, w 58 min.
]
;B[mn]C[stj1997 [1d\]: wow
]
;W[rp]C[iphone4 [3d\]: w happy
Intet [2d\]: resign
Nirvanc [2k\]: m10
]
;B[ln]
;W[lj]C[gogonuts [4d\]: n6 is baffling to me
pastlink [?\]: what 's n6 ?
noob1d [5d?\]: b basically sacrificing
stj1997 [1d\]: black want the whole bottom?
Nirvanc [2k\]: Endgame time !
noob1d [5d?\]: s3 
]
;B[rq]C[stj1997 [1d\]: any aji to get the corner?
noob1d [5d?\]: :-)
chestr [1d\]: s5 
]
;W[ro]C[morth89 [1k\]: is for w possible j4 reduction?
pastlink [?\]: b confident about his pro end game
Nirvanc [2k\]: black lost so much points by trying to save r9 stones
yukinosita [5d\]: kidnapped to save them for struggle the game
Marek [4d\]: I think that b could miss tesuji :>
kyzma84 [2d\]: j4 for w ))
]
;B[rm]C[Nirvanc [2k\]: or he was over confident
stj1997 [1d\]: well
asahin: s10 ?
Shedal [?\]: R3?
kyzma84 [2d\]: s6 -s9 ?
chestr [1d\]: r3 
Nirvanc [2k\]: black just need a ko ^^
stj1997 [1d\]: pro game is hard
Intet [2d\]: this is for semidori
ofbusy [-\]: thats a pre resign try
noob1d [5d?\]: s6 ?
gogonuts [4d\]: is it
gogonuts [4d\]: ?
Holub [1d\]: r3 ?
Holub [1d\]: oh
]
;W[rn]C[Holub [1d\]: sorry
noob1d [5d?\]: if r3 b could probably live
kyzma84 [2d\]: hm s9....
gogonuts [4d\]: if b gets a ko it reverses the game, so its serious
Marek [4d\]: s9 ko?
noob1d [5d?\]: s9 t8 
kyzma84 [2d\]: t8 t7
iphone4 [3d\]: w wins in all variations
]
;B[rk]C[Shedal [?\]: all 163,208 variations?
]
;W[sl]C[ofbusy [-\]: YES
Shedal [?\]: OK THEN
noob1d [5d?\]: I don't think w is in trouble
kyzma84 [2d\]: hm
noob1d [5d?\]: and he always has r3 
kyzma84 [2d\]: w need sente for r3
Marek [4d\]: semai wins W
iphone4 [3d\]: Marek speaks like yoda
herissondu [4d?\]: so, t7?
Nirvanc [2k\]: Genki Dama for Fan Hui !
asahin: he need time for this
]
;B[sm]
;W[qj]
;B[rj]
;W[rh]C[herissondu [4d?\]: "i read, you're dead"
asahin: seki ?
stj1997 [1d\]: no seki
kyzma84 [2d\]: r3
iphone4 [3d\]: in French, it's not seki, but c'est qui ?
herissondu [4d?\]: p7 q7 r4 i guess
asahin: p5 r3 ?
asahin: or r4
kyzma84 [2d\]: or p7 -q7-r3
]
;B[rf]
;W[si]C[iphone4 [3d\]: s14 is a trick
herissondu [4d?\]: or losing liberties first
hgffdx: t13 
pastlink [?\]: this game is a nice trailer for the next "impossible mission"
]
;B[oo]
;W[pm]C[asahin: i think they know how it ends
Intet [2d\]: its semidori
kyzma84 [2d\]: r3 not sente now ?
namtg [2k\]: b dead
chestr [1d\]: r3 j4 
]
;B[qq]C[herissondu [4d?\]: p5 weird
namtg [2k\]: no more sente
asahin: res sequence ?
]
;W[ip]C[namtg [2k\]: tenuki
noob1d [5d?\]: w is winning
hgffdx: so b dead, b doesn't mean b lost does it ?
kyzma84 [2d\]: s14 is total miss
Shedal [?\]: the game is actually closer than you might think
gogonuts [4d\]: w got sente, thats too much
stj1997 [1d\]: s 14 is yose
iphone4 [3d\]: b t12 can have a multi step ko now
Y [-\]: s14 is getting points in sente, using dead group
noob1d [5d?\]: w+30
noob1d [5d?\]: depends on what b makes at bottom
chestr [1d\]: gg
]
;B[gq]
;W[fp]C[noob1d [5d?\]: b has to kill j4 to win
gogonuts [4d\]: bu tcannot
noob1d [5d?\]: yes seems impossibl
noob1d [5d?\]: impossible
]
;B[ho]
;W[ki]
;B[kh]
;W[jh]
;B[ji]
;W[kj]
;B[ig]
;W[hp]C[asahin: b+t :)
noob1d [5d?\]: g5 g4 f5 try to kill the other group? :)
]
;B[gp]
;W[go]C[Intet [2d\]: nice idea noob
noob1d [5d?\]: j3 and j5 miai
Nirvanc [2k\]: Intet ...
]
;B[iq]
;W[io]C[Intet [2d\]: yes?
Punyferret [10k\]: it's his nickname nirvanc xD
barleya: must be exhausting to play 2x 2.5 hrs games...
Nirvanc [2k\]: oooh XD
Nirvanc [2k\]: Ok, sorry Intet ^^
EGC2015c [-\]: b in byo (3x 60 seconds) 
stj1997 [1d\]: fanhui lose.......
Nirvanc [2k\]: And thx Punyferret
iphone4 [3d\]: I trust SE
]
;B[gr]
;W[do]C[gogonuts [4d\]: sometimes i doubt se
gogonuts [4d\]: but then i apologize
]
;B[jp]C[Y [-\]: they should make SE bot
]
;W[jo]C[gogonuts [4d\]: idiotbot already there
]
;B[ko]
;W[hn]C[moesasji [?\]: SE says w +10
moesasji [?\]: if you know how to read SE
]
;B[es]
;W[dr]C[Y [-\]: easy
gogonuts [4d\]: lol
noob1d [5d?\]: w+20 seems to me
Intet [2d\]: w will have to take groupe r8 in small yose 
chestr [1d\]: p18 
]
;B[sh]
;W[sg]C[iphone4 [3d\]: ko
herissondu [4d?\]: the lower side is quite big
iphone4 [3d\]: multi steps
gogonuts [4d\]: 5 step
Y [-\]: timesuji?
ofbusy [-\]: go for the multi 
]
;B[sf]
;W[ni]C[noob1d [5d?\]: w p18 was bigger
fujiyama [8k\]: whats the score now?
]
;B[nb]
;W[mb]
;B[ob]
;W[kn]
;B[kp]
;W[il]C[stj1997 [1d\]: whoops
Y [-\]: m17 
gogonuts [4d\]: ouch
]
;B[jk]
;W[jl]C[noob1d [5d?\]: f10 
noob1d [5d?\]: or resign
Intet [2d\]: game over now
]
;B[lb]
;W[ma]C[stj1997 [1d\]: black cannot win
pastlink [?\]: minimum +10 for w
barleya: w+30 something
noob1d [5d?\]: ???
]
;B[jb]
;W[lc]C[asahin: comeback yose ;)
]
;B[bo]
;W[bp]C[Y [-\]: pro good at yose?
gogonuts [4d\]: nah
softlight [2d\]: no
Y [-\]: ok ty
]
;B[kb]C[Shedal [?\]: J17 very big
Shedal [?\]: was
Funsies [-\]: ha! jokes
chestr [1d\]: f10 
]
;W[sn]C[noob1d [5d?\]: lol
]
;B[fi]C[stj1997 [1d\]: t6?
softlight [2d\]: please resign move ?
]
;W[ej]C[noob1d [5d?\]: w is 100% sure he is ahead
stj1997 [1d\]: white: I win anyway
]
;B[cj]
;W[dj]
;B[ds]
;W[cs]
;B[fs]C[liusasori [4d\]: like this w has 15 points undestructible lead 
]
;W[cr]
;B[sp]
;W[ld]
;B[ih]C[barleya: in
]
;W[ic]
;B[ga]
;W[ca]
;B[ib]
;W[ge]
;B[he]
;W[gd]
;B[hd]
;W[oc]
;B[pc]C[Funsies [-\]: lul
noob1d [5d?\]: e11 
fujiyama [8k\]: n+1.5 black win 
rsg [5k\]: Who is white? Fan or Artem?
noob1d [5d?\]: artem
Y [-\]: why not e11 for black instead of q17
rsg [5k\]: Thank you
Lice [4d\]: always nice to see fan hui loses
]
;W[ao]
;B[an]
;W[ap]C[iphone4 [3d\]: strange, it's close ?
]
;B[gj]C[stj1997 [1d\]: e11 q17
fujiyama [8k\]: not sure he lose
chestr [1d\]: ))
]
;W[gk]C[Funsies [-\]: more interesting than nice
]
;B[kk]
;W[kl]C[noob1d [5d?\]: not close at all
]
;B[fj]C[barleya: oh look, i was right
]
;W[fk]
;B[ei]
;W[di]
;B[ag]
;W[ae]
;B[na]
;W[la]
;B[ka]
;W[mc]C[noob1d [5d?\]: almost w+20
]
;B[fa]
;W[da]
;B[pe]
;W[nh]C[iphone4 [3d\]: less than 10
]
;B[nf]C[Nirvanc [2k\]: SE says B + 8.5
zife [-\]: se is wrong
Funsies [-\]: SE lied
chestr [1d\]: s8 
Funsies [-\]: the cake is a lie nirvanc
pastlink [?\]: w +12.5
Nirvanc [2k\]: hahaha
Y [-\]: b+2,5
Intet [2d\]: w+ 3,5
loupida [-\]: w win
]
;W[ha]
;B[ia]C[Funsies [-\]: well, someone's gonna be wrong
]
;W[ea]
;B[ha]
;W[gh]
;B[hi]C[liusasori [4d\]: I count B + 9.5
]
;W[mf]C[Miky [4k\]: well done fan great comeback !
]
;B[om]
;W[pn]C[iphone4 [3d\]: this ko decides the game
softlight [2d\]: no comeback
Intet [2d\]: w 7,5 komi
]
;B[jn]
;W[km]C[Funsies [-\]: lol seriously, someone is bound to be dead wrong xD
Y [-\]: 7.5?
]
;B[nf]
;W[jq]C[ofbusy [-\]: +9.5 too
]
;B[jr]C[iphone4 [3d\]: what is komi ?
]
;W[mf]C[Y [-\]: b+1.5
asahin: l17 ?
Funsies [-\]: I'm not gonna count because it'll be funny to see who actually wins
Mikko88888: b+0,5
noob1d [5d?\]: w+15
chestr [1d\]: japanese rules?
loupida [-\]: b wins
kyzma84 [2d\]: 64 b
kyzma84 [2d\]: 52 w
iphone4 [3d\]: how much is komi ?
Lice [4d\]: guys guys guys.. don't be silly...
kyzma84 [2d\]: in points
lalka [10k?\]: everybody is just shouting random numbers 
Lice [4d\]: white wins by alot
kyzma84 [2d\]: 52 + 7
stj1997 [1d\]: its not japanese rule
Miky [4k\]: count again Lice 
stj1997 [1d\]: i think
barleya: 12-13
asahin: come on
kyzma84 [2d\]: 52 +7 =25
ofbusy [-\]: i counted w+4 on board
kyzma84 [2d\]: 52+7+25
zife [-\]: w+10 at least
kyzma84 [2d\]: 65 +*
bolbi [-\]: i agree ofbusy
kyzma84 [2d\]: 65+8
tuquedenne [4d\]: in Presburger's arithmetic, it's undecidable to know who wins
tuquedenne [4d\]: but in this world w is actually winning
Lice [4d\]: please... people.. i have reviewed this offline...
Funsies [-\]: so many numbers man xD jeez
kyzma84 [2d\]: w+12
barleya: better not use Presburger's arithmetic then
liusasori [4d\]: w 79.5 b 72 in my final count
Lice [4d\]: you can end your meaningless arguements
Lice [4d\]: white wins
NGC281 [1d\]: b+0.5
Insei [-\]: white wins 
EGC2015c [-\]: W+12,5
asahin: ouch
Funsies [-\]: THANK YOU!
barleya: hoohah
chestr [1d\]: yeah
isumi43 [5k\]: Thx Euro
kyzma84 [2d\]: i say it)
Nirvanc [2k\]: Thx
noob1d [5d?\]: congrats to artem, great game
EGC2015c [-\]: sorry, I lost last ko fight :(
chestr [1d\]: tnx
loupida [-\]: porr fan
gogonuts [4d\]: artem very strong again
loupida [-\]: poor*
bumblefoot [2k\]: thx EGC
rsun [4d\]: artem is 3p
jigsaw: arthem is pushing himself as a contender for the title now
fujiyama [8k\]: thanks you who win?
Intet [2d\]: w
chestr [1d\]: nice artem
softlight [2d\]: b
loupida [-\]: gg artem
Shedal [?\]: GG
EGC2015c [-\]: thanks for watching
ofbusy [-\]: thx egc, gg artem
loupida [-\]: thx egc for your work !
Pettyx2 [3k\]: how did it end?
EGC2015c [-\]: in the evening I will try broadcast some games from 13x13 playoff 
EGC2015c [-\]: so see you later
loupida [-\]: ++
Pettyx2 [3k\]: white won by half a point?
Pettyx2 [3k\]: who won?
EGC2015c [-\]: white won by 12,5 points
Uksus [3k\]: w
Pettyx2 [3k\]: 12,5?
chestr [1d\]: EGC2015c [-\]: W+12,5
Pettyx2 [3k\]: i see
Pettyx2 [3k\]: thanks for the info
miracle2c [9k\]: thanks
EGC2015c [-\]: Artem said by 12, maybe added 10 ;)
mnbvcx: w+2.5
EGC2015c [-\]: White won anyway.
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