(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[3x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Championship 2015 (Top 24) - r3, (w) Cristian Pop 7d vs. (b) Ilya Shikshin 1p]PW[Cristian Pop]PB[Ilya Shikshin ]WR[7d]BR[1p]DT[2015-07-28]RO[3]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[vunzi: at what time is the game starting?
EGC2015a [-\]: It should start just now
vunzi: thanks
Mumugo22 [18k?\]: will there be a 4th board?
EGC2015a [-\]: all info including live stream at egc2015.cz
snowy [1k\]: go ilya o/
EGC2015a [-\]: Both players are here
phoenix4y [6k\]: yey, promising start
Varelse [23k?\]:  
EGC2015a [-\]: Players have 2h 30 minutes + byoyomi and they can interrupt the game and go for a lunch, it may be a long game.
PlaySlow [10k\]: P meas professional in Korea system right? D means Dan in European system?
snowy [1k\]: i need 4 monitors :<
flobby [-\]: No, playslow
Grunman [8k\]: p means pro everywhere, except Pin ranks in Inga system
flobby [-\]: europe has their own professional system now
]RE[B+15.50]
;B[pd]C[Grunman [8k\]: but pin means pro too)
]
;W[dd]
;B[qp]
;W[dq]
;B[oq]C[flobby [-\]: pin sounds like ancient  government officials in dynastic china
snowy [1k\]: yey i like this opening 
]
;W[qf]
;B[nc]C[EGC2015a [-\]: Hayashi Kozo 6p is observing the top boards
snowy [1k\]: p for powah
]
;W[qj]
;B[cf]C[PrikarevN [5k\]: yhnh ukj ,j  yj jnhiuknj 90io lk uiolkioo pl0 ,p;p.o‘[./,
]
;W[co]
;B[fc]
;W[ee]
;B[cc]
;W[jq]C[EGC2015a [-\]: who guess the next move?
Shedal [?\]: F14
bumblefoot [2k\]: c9
Grunman [8k\]: k16
sameasyou [2d\]: d6
Shedal [?\]: C16
EGC2015a [-\]: I like F14 very much :)
]
;B[cd]C[snowy [1k\]: nice
EGC2015a [-\]: Ondrej Silt just arrived so all top boards are playing now
Reym [-\]: dii i open the wrong live stream? the hall is empty
EGC2015a [-\]: http://egc2015.cz/stream
snowy [1k\]: got lost lol
EGC2015a [-\]: Ilya used only 3 minutes so far
snowy [1k\]: pop deep thinking
maciek [2d\]: s16
snowy [1k\]: what to do with d16
kmr [1d\]: white can tenuki on top, or play kikashi G16 and then tenuki
]
;W[eh]C[maciek [2d\]: nice move
Grunman [8k\]: c11
maciek [2d\]: black has only one stone on fourth line, so low
maciek [2d\]: so J4 :)
il62 [8k?\]: e12  is nie move
Hikaru123 [7k?\]: D17
gogonuts [4d\]: e12: noli me tangere
afterbreak [-\]: Samego I like white :p
Hikaru123 [7k?\]: W can now resign
PonnukiGo [2d\]: Why?
Hikaru123 [7k?\]: no hope
PonnukiGo [2d\]: S16 q12 and norm
PonnukiGo [2d\]: Now rightside
kolayn112 [1k\]: ребят сижу с телефона не могу понять на какой доске шикшин играет? и играет ли вообще или динер
Grunman [8k\]: Шикшин на этой черными, а Динерштейн на трансляции Б белыми
mdew: GO POPIC
kolayn112 [1k\]: как с телефона щелкать ходы на демонстрации знает кто? 
kolayn112 [1k\]: спасибо
hogweed [3d\]: ♫♪ po-pi ga-zelle, po-pi ga-zelle ♫♪
EGC2015a [-\]: after long thinking Ilya played
snowy [1k\]: where where
]
;B[eg]C[maciek [2d\]: horrible mistake ;)
phoenix4y [6k\]: the thinking-part?
EGC2015a [-\]: I do not understand why both players play in this area, D16 D15 are not important at all?
gogonuts [4d\]: e12: i want peace and quiet
gogonuts [4d\]: e13: here's your piece and quiet
snowy [1k\]: i want pizza
schonach [3k\]: i want Budweiser
Hikaru123 [7k?\]: I want Schlitz
gogonuts [4d\]: http://blogs.yis.ac.jp/15chungm/2013/09/05/stereotypes-in-the-media-schlitz-dont-worry-darling-you-didnt-burn-the-beer/
EGC2015a [-\]: Christian is not in the room now
Hikaru123 [7k?\]: Maybe he is having a Budweiser in the lounge.
Brouzouf [-\]: or he's lounging in budweis
Hokusai [3k\]: very funny...
PonnukiGo [2d\]: How time?
storn [3k\]: hi everyone) 
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;W[fg]
;B[ef]C[PonnukiGo [2d\]: Йо
EGC2015a [-\]: Christian indeed came with a cup and some drink
kolayn112 [1k\]: йо
kolayn112 [1k\]: мое
EGC2015a [-\]: but it looks like coffee
Brouzouf [-\]: maybe it's irish coffee
PonnukiGo [2d\]: Сложно быть белыми
storn [3k\]: Сложно быть любыми против Шикшина
gogonuts [4d\]: w f12 advisable, imo
gogonuts [4d\]: if b12 w d13?
gogonuts [4d\]: sry, window
kolayn112 [1k\]: d12
ponydeath [8k?\]: ((((против всех сильных данов сложно
maciek [2d\]: f14 no matter what :)
gogonuts [4d\]: lol
PonnukiGo [2d\]: А есть не сложные даны?)
gogonuts [4d\]: glory or death
ponydeath [8k?\]: бывают
maciek [2d\]: fun of life i would say
storn [3k\]: Поннуки, ты сложный дан?
PonnukiGo [2d\]: Откуда я знаю?
storn [3k\]: это как быть избранным Нео) ты ощущаешь это каждой клеточкой своего тела))
storn [3k\]: покажи язык)
PonnukiGo [2d\]: ;)
ngarry [-\]: в приват
storn [3k\]: okaaay
maciek [2d\]: annoying virus on chat :)
storn [3k\]: Where? Muttley is absent)
miracle2c [9k\]: He will come later )
maciek [2d\]: :))
miracle2c [9k\]: They said that it is difficult to play any color if you playing against Shikshin
maciek [2d\]: thx
miracle2c [9k\]: Breakfast is strong too but usually his isn't playing fighting games
miracle2c [9k\]: totally different approach
storn [3k\]: yep
miracle2c [9k\]: Two strongest Russian players now 
miracle2c [9k\]: It is funny to watch a game when they compete
miracle2c [9k\]: Is there any info about how long was games here?
NightShift [6d\]: all is on the website
NightShift [6d\]: varies by strength
NightShift [6d\]: top players get 2.5hrs+60*3
storn [3k\]: wow
miracle2c [9k\]: I wanna say that Ilya usually don't play long games
storn [3k\]: He plays
miracle2c [9k\]: The games I've seen here was shorther than other players played
]
;W[ff]
;B[fh]C[gogonuts [4d\]: wow
gogonuts [4d\]: f14 sure invited trouble
bleen [1d\]: pop is russian?
darkronin [2k?\]: 'The cutter' is back!
bleen [1d\]: thought he is romanian ^^
]
;W[hg]C[gogonuts [4d\]: must have come to the conclusion that f12 wasnt enough for w
miracle2c [9k\]: Definetely not russian
EGC2015a [-\]: again "I want peace" move?
]
;B[fi]C[gogonuts [4d\]: atomic warning has gone from yellow to orange
miracle2c [9k\]: ))))
]
;W[dh]
;B[cg]
;W[dj]C[Manslay [4k\]: cut em
gogonuts [4d\]: f15 too small
gogonuts [4d\]: will develop the cutting stones
PonnukiGo [2d\]: F9
gogonuts [4d\]: i think h11
gogonuts [4d\]: because f9 d8 helps w
EGC2015a [-\]: well done gogonuts
]
;B[hi]C[PonnukiGo [2d\]: But h11 weak
gogonuts [4d\]: on the contrary
PonnukiGo [2d\]: Hmm
gogonuts [4d\]: those stones are now out of the woods
gogonuts [4d\]: and b can aim at d6 or maybe d8
]
;W[gd]C[bleen [1d\]: e18?
]
;B[dn]C[bleen [1d\]: ah, attack
gogonuts [4d\]: and b never had a real attack on the w top group
bleen [1d\]: why not
bleen [1d\]: :p
]
;W[do]C[gogonuts [4d\]: d8 possible next?
]
;B[cn]C[maciek [2d\]: hmm
ZXRP [5k\]: is b violating the rule that says not to create two weak groups?
bleen [1d\]: where are weaknesses
bleen [1d\]: ?
bleen [1d\]: g11 group not really weak
ZXRP [5k\]: ok, i should call it floating
bleen [1d\]: it has some shape and enough room to create evenmore
ZXRP [5k\]: instead of weak
ZXRP [5k\]: i guess
bleen [1d\]: it has some attacking value too
gogonuts [4d\]: if w e6 then d8?
bleen [1d\]: i'd not stamping it floating too
maciek [2d\]: i run with e9 here
ZXRP [5k\]: i was thinking e9 also
]
;W[ek]C[gogonuts [4d\]: and if w play for above, b gets e6 himself
gogonuts [4d\]: so c6 was powerful
ZXRP [5k\]: seems he agrees with us, maciek
maciek [2d\]: we are so close of being pro ZXRP
ZXRP [5k\]: haha
ZXRP [5k\]: and yet so far
ZXRP [5k\]: :p
]
;B[en]C[maciek [2d\]: one more kosumi!
ZXRP [5k\]: g9 too obvious?
maciek [2d\]: i am still going f8
]
;W[gj]
;B[hh]C[ZXRP [5k\]: see, we are not pro after all :(
]
;W[ig]C[ZXRP [5k\]: he finds a more forceful way to play
maciek [2d\]: he made a mistake! :P
EGC2015a [-\]: next move, dear pros?
ZXRP [5k\]: but soon, bleen will think that h11 is weak i think :D
maciek [2d\]: next move is very important
maciek [2d\]: might be e5 :D
]
;B[eo]C[ZXRP [5k\]: !
maciek [2d\]: :O :O :O
EGC2015a [-\]: fantastic :)
ZXRP [5k\]: now e4 surly
maciek [2d\]: next question pls
ZXRP [5k\]: surely*
maciek [2d\]: :D
ZXRP [5k\]: or if not, then something to answer the push and cut
EGC2015a [-\]: not e4
ZXRP [5k\]: perhaps a light move around g7
EGC2015a [-\]: almost
]
;W[gl]C[ZXRP [5k\]: :(
gogonuts [4d\]: i think ilya has become even more dangerous
gogonuts [4d\]: when the situation gets insane, he plays the sanest moves now
EGC2015a [-\]: next move is wow
maciek [2d\]: sanest?
]
;B[dp]
;W[cp]
;B[ep]C[starstruck [3d\]: fancy
maciek [2d\]: thx
starstruck [3d\]: b really wants e4 to be sente
ZXRP [5k\]: c2 ultra secure :p
]
;W[cq]
;B[eq]C[maciek [2d\]: seems f12 cut didnt work nice
gogonuts [4d\]: advantage b, imo
ZXRP [5k\]: now w must shore up k3 surely
]
;W[ij]C[ZXRP [5k\]: !
gogonuts [4d\]: w doesnt have time to capitalize on bs weak center group
gogonuts [4d\]: or so i thought :-)
tuquedenne [4d\]: is it weak or just dead?
ZXRP [5k\]: i thought so too gogonuts :)
ZXRP [5k\]: stil aji, but looks dead
gogonuts [4d\]: it doesnt feel dead
]
;B[er]C[maciek [2d\]: running away with the bamboo now is insane
gogonuts [4d\]: but anyways, b can do the corner first
]
;W[br]C[ZXRP [5k\]: best way to attack k3 is with the cap, or m3?
gogonuts [4d\]: the story book has b atacking k3 and freeing the bamboo in the process
maciek [2d\]: m3
starstruck [3d\]: b2 woah
glasszee [3k\]: i never knew fighting could look so beautiful
maciek [2d\]: or h3
tuquedenne [4d\]: I'd say the cap
tuquedenne [4d\]: otherwise w would be happy to do the tobi
ZXRP [5k\]: and if w gain strength with tobi
gogonuts [4d\]: time to take some time
starstruck [3d\]: i don't see any way to save the bamboo
ZXRP [5k\]: the wall might look awkward after a while
maciek [2d\]: me too, bamboo is killed
gogonuts [4d\]: you all just wait :-)
starstruck [3d\]: oh
EGC2015a [-\]: some games in the top room finished
starstruck [3d\]: wondering if f9 might be magic
maciek [2d\]: i find l4 interesting too
gogonuts [4d\]: good place to spend 20 mins
tuquedenne [4d\]: if you know them, could you tell us the results, EGC2015a?
maciek [2d\]: how many games in the top room are playing?
EGC2015a [-\]: Chan, Yi-Tien (7 Dan) was too tough for Rudy Verhagen 4d
tuquedenne [4d\]: thanks
EGC2015a [-\]: 40 to boards
EGC2015a [-\]: *40  top boards
starstruck [3d\]: i still don't see enough liberties for b
EGC2015a [-\]: Matti Siivola 5d won against Liu, Zhengqi (5 Dan)
EGC2015a [-\]: Ge Yuhong 5d beat Thomas Kettenring
EGC2015a [-\]: Kim Young-Sam 7d won against Mihai Serban 5d
]
;B[jo]C[maciek [2d\]: here...
EGC2015a [-\]: We are pleased that many Chinese and Japanese players come to Liberec
ZXRP [5k\]: btw, i submit that c2 earlier was a better way to secure the corner than c3
ZXRP [5k\]: seems to give b fewer sente moves
d27 [5k?\]: Kim is korean
]
;W[hp]C[d27 [5k?\]: And he's strong :)
gogonuts [4d\]: c2 would die on the spot
maciek [2d\]: black's problem here is that thi swall is not a wall but a weak group
gogonuts [4d\]: c2 b5 b4 b6 
]
;B[ho]
;W[go]C[gogonuts [4d\]: sry
]
;B[ip]C[gogonuts [4d\]: you menat instead of the connection
ZXRP [5k\]: yeah
bleen [1d\]: what is this now
gogonuts [4d\]: but the peep left at b3 is serious
gogonuts [4d\]: power counter failed here imo
maciek [2d\]: just play atari
ZXRP [5k\]: "Pros play atari"
ZXRP [5k\]: as the saying goes
gogonuts [4d\]: it's funny how ilya opponents get unreasonable as he gets more reasonable
gogonuts [4d\]: he might deleop a taste for that
gogonuts [4d\]: develop
]
;W[hn]C[tuquedenne [4d\]: nice
OoohShiny [10k\]: do they really have 150 minutes each?
gogonuts [4d\]: sure
maciek [2d\]: no, they have 180 :D
gogonuts [4d\]: it used to be more
OoohShiny [10k\]: cheesus
gogonuts [4d\]: is it 3hrs?
maciek [2d\]: i hope i dont lie...
maciek [2d\]: thought so
maciek [2d\]: and 3x60s byo
EGC2015a [-\]: 2h30 min + 3x60s byoyomi
gogonuts [4d\]: thx
maciek [2d\]: ^^
gogonuts [4d\]: it's not a lie if you dont know its wrong :-)
EGC2015a [-\]: At the first round, the last game ended after 16.00 ...
maciek [2d\]: not even 3 hours basic time, this is blitz
OoohShiny [10k\]: xD
bleen [1d\]: i am not familiar with w's plan here
maciek [2d\]: ponnuki or G4
gogonuts [4d\]: i would have expected b to have thought this through beforehand
bleen [1d\]: sacrifice g4 for an attack
bleen [1d\]: looks brave
bleen [1d\]: *k3
gogonuts [4d\]: if he cant connect now, i take everything back
]
;B[io]C[gogonuts [4d\]: thx
maciek [2d\]: it will be hard for black to take all bottom, there is a clever move at o3 for later
]
;W[gp]
;B[iq]
;W[gr]C[ZXRP [5k\]: g2 = sente
ZXRP [5k\]: b needs c9 or something?
gogonuts [4d\]: b e1 is unhealthy for the w corner, so b not in trouble
gogonuts [4d\]: oh
gogonuts [4d\]: not true
maciek [2d\]: u sure gogo?
gogonuts [4d\]: no
gogonuts [4d\]: said it without reading
gogonuts [4d\]: still big enough
maciek [2d\]: bamboo, "T" shape, and this wall, black pretending to be 15kyu :)
storn [3k\]: nice shape
storn [3k\]: b in trouble?
EGC2015a [-\]: Johannes Obenaus won against Hayashi Eiji 
]
;B[bo]
;W[bp]C[flobby [-\]: who are they
storn [3k\]: who r all these people?
]
;B[bj]C[storn [3k\]: flobby, lol)
gogonuts [4d\]: what is the point of b5?
EGC2015a [-\]: Mr Eiji is not young gentlemen from japan
CrabStone [2d\]: Probe
OoohShiny [10k\]: mby if white wants to attack there its gote?
OoohShiny [10k\]: i dont know i am only 10k
OoohShiny [10k\]: o.o
ZXRP [5k\]: assuming b comes out inscathed here, we stll need a next move for w
EGC2015a [-\]: James Sedgwick 5d, very gentle player from Toronto, was cruel on about 12 years old Hao Yibo 6d from China and beated him
ZXRP [5k\]: prefereably something that can make some use out of k3
storn [3k\]: omg! b10 - just connection try?
storn [3k\]: not in Ilya's style
ZXRP [5k\]: ilya is w?
ZXRP [5k\]: oh wait
storn [3k\]: Ilya is b
ZXRP [5k\]: sry
starstruck [3d\]: b10 also aims to save the bamboo
storn [3k\]: strastruc, is it possible? 
starstruck [3d\]: who knows
storn [3k\]: difficult game for w... 
storn [3k\]: for b*
ohlord [1d\]: wolltest du nicht vor ort selbst arbeiten stefan?
maciek [2d\]: i agree both
mdew: for both
]
;W[bn]
;B[bm]
;W[ao]C[ZXRP [5k\]: c8 would be sente for w here, correct?
ZXRP [5k\]: so b must reply
profi [2d\]: b6 was sente, why b didn't pay it?
profi [2d\]: play*
justhinkin [1k\]: this shape is better for b?
mdew: now i like w more
profi [2d\]: no, thus shape bad for b, and he lost some points here
maciek [2d\]: i like white too
ohlord [1d\]: can b tenuki now? if w c8,b8 and cut at c7, b gets c9,d9 and the cut at e10, that furikawari looks playable
CrabStone [2d\]: Can't tenuki
ZXRP [5k\]: ohlord, after Bc9, w must d8 yes?
ZXRP [5k\]: not d9?
ZXRP [5k\]: oh sorry, you did mean that
ohlord [1d\]: y
gogonuts [4d\]: no, cannot trade
gogonuts [4d\]: lose ll and w still gets a center squeeze
hgffdx: OMG Kim Young-Sam plays !
gogonuts [4d\]: in hindsight j6 looks better than k5 - still hard to believe k5 got b into any trouble though
maciek [2d\]: W  all stones are so lovely places
]
;B[cj]C[maciek [2d\]: because that wall e lined wasnt a wall but weak goup gogo
maciek [2d\]: c9 can create a sick ko
maciek [2d\]: wrong :D
Hashirama [1k\]: :(
maciek [2d\]: jus c7...
CrabStone [2d\]: ...
]
;W[np]C[Hashirama [1k\]: c7 then f7? :o
CrabStone [2d\]: What are you talking about?
maciek [2d\]: :D
OoohShiny [10k\]: hashi
Hashirama [1k\]: hi
OoohShiny [10k\]: come to us into the kyu corner
OoohShiny [10k\]: we try to be silent
maciek [2d\]: i focused too much on a cut :)
ZXRP [5k\]: nono
snowy [1k\]: so happy here~~
ZXRP [5k\]: we must make our voices heard
ZXRP [5k\]: sometimes we can accidentally say something intelligent
OoohShiny [10k\]: xD
Hashirama [1k\]: :O
maciek [2d\]: why i am not kyu anymore :(
gogonuts [4d\]: ilya will have to stop refining his game and be the good old bloodthirsty ilya now
maciek [2d\]: but trying hard to be again! :D
OoohShiny [10k\]: good luck, its a tough road ahead of you :3
]
;B[hj]C[ZXRP [5k\]: !
ZXRP [5k\]: you asked for it gogo
]
;W[ik]C[ZXRP [5k\]: some ilya magic
maciek [2d\]: the truth is that fe Ilya will never be kyu player again, but any kyu on KGS can become dan player some day....
maciek [2d\]: being a kyu is a privilege
Hashirama [1k\]: that sounds like a deepity
maciek [2d\]: oh bamboo is running
maciek [2d\]: black is shocked, Pop just patiently played o4
]
;B[fl]C[maciek [2d\]: G7...
Hashirama [1k\]: ...
miracle2c [9k\]: G7, G9
hgffdx: g7 f9 f10 e11 d11 e10 and trouble
gogonuts [4d\]: oops
maciek [2d\]: u wrong miracle
ZXRP [5k\]: general principles useless now, need dan level reading to make sense of what's happening here
gogonuts [4d\]: b found a door opener?
maciek [2d\]: g7 then wait for a move, dont read too many
hgffdx: g9 now maybe
gogonuts [4d\]: this is serious
maciek [2d\]: g7 or f7
hgffdx: f7 looks cool actually
hgffdx: maybe f7 then pray that it works
miracle2c [9k\]: big fight is coming
maciek [2d\]: being coll never works when counting score, u know
ZXRP [5k\]: none of you have said f9
ZXRP [5k\]: so i guess i am missing something...
]
;W[fm]
;B[gm]C[d27 [5k?\]: maybe the cut at d11
d27 [5k?\]: and the freedom of bamboo
gogonuts [4d\]: free bambi
OoohShiny [10k\]: white has to H7 now right? oO
hitaus [2k\]: is this more tricky for B, or does G4 mean W has more at stake?
maciek [2d\]: i smell trade
maciek [2d\]: if bamboo free e5 dead
OoohShiny [10k\]: ah
OoohShiny [10k\]: i only the see simple stuff
OoohShiny [10k\]: like e8 ._.
maciek [2d\]: i dont see anything buddy, just guessing ;)
Hashirama [1k\]: get closer to the screen!
maciek [2d\]: where are your glasses?!
ZXRP [5k\]: haha maciek
ZXRP [5k\]: :)
OoohShiny [10k\]: actually
Hashirama [1k\]: Anyone want to join my teamspeak server? :D
OoohShiny [10k\]: i only have glasses for far away thingies =O
maciek [2d\]: ideal for this game
OoohShiny [10k\]: T_T
OoohShiny [10k\]: i will get there some day xD
]
;W[fn]C[EGC2015a [-\]: Pop shook his head and made a move.
ZXRP [5k\]: well he certainly could not allow g4 to be cut off
Hashirama [1k\]: shook his head which way?
EGC2015a [-\]: :-)
ZXRP [5k\]: even if he caught the bamboo, it would be too large a loss
EGC2015a [-\]: side to side
Hashirama [1k\]: EGC what happened to eurogotv? D:
hgffdx: You have such long hair, EGCa 
hgffdx: Hashirama : http://www.usgo.org/news/2015/06/eurogotv-shuts-down-after-8-years/
EGC2015a [-\]: change of scribes, I am sb else:-)
hgffdx: too bad :(
Hashirama [1k\]: :(
]
;B[hl]C[OoohShiny [10k\]: i cant even read the article because of slow internet... 
OoohShiny [10k\]: well,i am lucky go kgs runs on 6 kb/s
ZXRP [5k\]: 6kb/s ??
ZXRP [5k\]: where do you live?
flobby [-\]: somolia
OoohShiny [10k\]: yeah i have 5 GB / month, after that it slows down to 6 kb/s
OoohShiny [10k\]: germany actually
OoohShiny [10k\]: i use my smartphoen internet for my pc
flobby [-\]: there must be another germany on mars
OoohShiny [10k\]: dont be mean flobby, i chose to have limited internet for good reasons :)
]
;W[el]
;B[gk]C[Hikaru123 [6k?\]: Greeks are lucky if they get 6 kb/hour
ZXRP [5k\]: quite amazing what happened in this game
ZXRP [5k\]: just a few moves
ZXRP [5k\]: and i feel like w had unravelled
ZXRP [5k\]: has*
EGC2015a [-\]: Pop looks agitated, a bit redder in face, Ilya relaxed, almost bored look.
Hashirama [1k\]: why does pvaol look like house
OoohShiny [10k\]: i like the comments how the player look like =D you would think Go player would learn a pokerface over time
gabigo [?\]: how much time remaining?
miracle2c [9k\]: Is there a translation to take a look om their faces?
]
;W[em]C[hitaus [2k\]: OoohShiny, there's no need for a pokerface in go
]
;B[gn]C[OoohShiny [10k\]: why? if it is true than Ilya knows that pop is in trouble
ZXRP [5k\]: this is over
bleen [1d\]: of course you need pokerface
EGC2015a [-\]: W 53 min, B 1:28
flobby [-\]: so o4 is bad timing?
x0000 [-\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5EcSYUKRGQ
bleen [1d\]: it is also good to know where the opponent is looking at
hitaus [2k\]: stonefacing is a useful skill, but there's no need to do even that as go is a game of full information
ZXRP [5k\]: hahaha flobby
flobby [-\]: whats so funny?
miracle2c [9k\]: x0000 thanks!
]
;W[fo]C[ZXRP [5k\]: i thought you were saying it slightly ironically
maciek [2d\]: pokerface is most overrated skill at poker :)
ZXRP [5k\]: my apologies if not
OoohShiny [10k\]: yeah but you might play different if you can clearly see if the opponent looks confident in the situation or not
]
;B[cl]C[flobby [-\]: i tend to have no idea whats going on in high dan games
pastlink [?\]: how w died like this ?
bleen [1d\]: what the heck just happened here
Manslay [4k\]: i sometimes catch my opponents by surprise playing in the corner i didn't look at :D
Hikaru123 [6k?\]: w can now resign
bleen [1d\]: gosh...
flobby [-\]: but if w is really dead i'd be excited as b to make a big kill
flobby [-\]: but EGC said ilya is bored
hitaus [2k\]: H9 cuts in two?
tuquedenne [4d\]: h9?
stj1997 [1d\]: h9
OoohShiny [10k\]: mby because this game doesnt thrill him anymore
ZXRP [5k\]: h9 f10?
mnbvcx: Хорошая атака. Здорово
EGC2015a [-\]: Yes, Pop gave a short, ironic laugh, looks like resigned in mind already. 
Hashirama [1k\]: I dont like the way this stream is D:
OoohShiny [10k\]: mh?
OoohShiny [10k\]: i like it =O
bleen [1d\]: his mind felt asleep shortly
miracle2c [9k\]: EGC give us nice picture
EGC2015a [-\]: What is wrong with the stream?
Elom [?\]: 85m, W+r
Hashirama [1k\]: I cant choose which to watch
EGC2015a [-\]: Oh, ok.
Hashirama [1k\]: :(
Elom [?\]: prediction
flobby [-\]: EGC did you ever think of becoming a fiction author
maciek [2d\]: why i think h7
selen [4k\]: h9 f10 h7 g8 j8 f9 j7 e10 
flobby [-\]: I think you can write interesting stories
bleen [1d\]: w still not resigned?
bleen [1d\]: this is so huge
ZXRP [5k\]: he is looking for tricks 
bracchi [3k\]: b is omg
EGC2015a [-\]: No, shock over, now W thinking harder.
ZXRP [5k\]: any sequence that gives life
bleen [1d\]: tell him he should always think that hard
maciek [2d\]: i bet on H7
bleen [1d\]: better for viewers and for hi
EGC2015a [-\]: :-))
hgffdx: j2 ?
WiteDragon [3k\]: Even if w lives, if he doesn't kill he can resign any way 
miracle2c [9k\]: that's better look by camera
ZXRP [5k\]: j2 h3 g3 h2 h1 k2
ZXRP [5k\]: seems to work
ZXRP [5k\]: followed by l3
bleen [1d\]: i dont see any way w can catch up
]
;W[il]C[maciek [2d\]: try H7
maciek [2d\]: :P
bleen [1d\]: somehow figure a semeai?
wade [5d\]: i think it is a ko
OoohShiny [10k\]: white uses the secret masterplan of ddks
OoohShiny [10k\]: "hope he tenukis"
ZXRP [5k\]: so j7 now
Hashirama [1k\]: i once tenukied in RL and it was the biggest mistake I ever made
Hashirama [1k\]: D:
ZXRP [5k\]: haha
hitaus [2k\]: you tenukied the wrong kind of people
mnbvcx: j7
hgffdx: j7 h9 
hgffdx: j7 doesn't work for b
x0000 [-\]: j7 works fine, it is ko
hgffdx: yeah it's ko
EGC2015a [-\]: looks like desperate attempt to do something... W shook his head again.
hgffdx: so it doesn't work
x0000 [-\]: lol you see something better?
hgffdx: nope :o)
bleen [1d\]: w is out
mnbvcx: j9
EGC2015a [-\]: But Ilya, slightly amused, still thinks hard too.
gabigo [?\]: so he is not bored anymore
Hashirama [1k\]: EGC can you give Ilya a hug for me?
Catlemur [2k\]: What's the result on board 13?
EGC2015a [-\]: Oh, wrong sex, sorry. :-))
EGC2015a [-\]: Too far from me, sorry.
maciek [2d\]: and board 25? :)
Hashirama [1k\]: :(
EGC2015a [-\]: dtto
]
;B[fj]C[Hashirama [1k\]: :O
mnbvcx: с ударом в d11
hgffdx: f10 makes e10 possible
mnbvcx: rj
KayMin [-\]: ага
mnbvcx: ко
hgffdx: if w e10 b j7 is ok now
Manslay [4k\]: is he bored again?
hgffdx: f9 for w ?
ZXRP [5k\]: if f9 then just connect though right
wade [5d\]: h7 g8 k7 d11 e11 e10 c11 d9 seems w is in trouble
maciek [2d\]: c11 must be sente
EGC2015a [-\]: 13 still playing, cant find 25.
sagesse [-\]: c11 
maciek [2d\]: or W lost
]
;W[hm]
;B[gl]C[stj1997 [1d\]: j7 then j2
stj1997 [1d\]: but too many weak groups
kyzma84 [2d\]: its end for w
x0000 [-\]: f9 h9,  e10 j7  miai =(
hgffdx: f9 g11 h9 g10 j7 e10 d11 d9 j11 c11 b wins
x0000 [-\]: f9 h9 
stj1997 [1d\]: k7?
ZXRP [5k\]: yes f9 h9, not g11
stj1997 [1d\]: k7 then attack the five black stone
hgffdx: yeah f9 h9 that's why f9 better than h7 
Hikaru123 [6k?\]: the shape of the cross...
EGC2015a [-\]: Pop still sighing, shaking head, Ilya not bored any more, but relaxed enough.
ZXRP [5k\]: k7, then e10 f10 d11
x0000 [-\]: f9 before h7 wasnt better
hgffdx: it was f9 g8 
x0000 [-\]: no
mnbvcx: черные выигрывают с.эмиай без ко
x0000 [-\]: f9 h9 
hgffdx: rly
Hikaru123 [6k?\]: B + 57.5
]
;W[im]C[jim [5d\]: D11 and J7 miai ?
Hikaru123 [6k?\]: yes
]
;B[ej]C[selen [4k\]: e10 
]
;W[ir]C[selen [4k\]: ой
Hikaru123 [6k?\]: or that
hitaus [2k\]: would K6 have been somehow an option instead of J7?
]
;B[hq]
;W[gq]C[stj1997 [1d\]: ended
bracchi [3k\]: what is going on here?
storn [3k\]: over
kashi122 [1k\]: w pushed it too much
storn [3k\]: bracci, killing)
]
;B[hr]
;W[kr]C[sagesse [-\]: why couldnt white play c11 instead of j7 ?
storn [3k\]: bloody killing
stj1997 [1d\]: um
bracchi [3k\]: i mean what is w trying
OoohShiny [10k\]: killing H2 maybe
bracchi [3k\]: good luck with that
EGC2015a [-\]: yeah, looks like last chance
storn [3k\]: h2... how?
kashi122 [1k\]: try for semiai sealing in
stj1997 [1d\]: h1 then m5
IAmRa [6k\]: w wants to turn this into liberty race looks like
wade [5d\]: c11 wasnt a sente coz c10 has an eye and enough libs
storn [3k\]: g1 connects
bracchi [3k\]: just h1
storn [3k\]: yes
wade [5d\]: h1 f1 e1 l5 
maciek [2d\]: h1 f1 
Mukti [3d\]: If h1, f1 is sente to connect to ghe LL
storn [3k\]: LL?
stj1997 [1d\]: just m5 to kill the bottom is enough
ZXRP [5k\]: lower left
hitaus [2k\]: wade, what about K6 instead of J7?
stj1997 [1d\]: I think
EGC2015a [-\]: Ilya is rocking in his seat slightly, amused look, thinking...
OoohShiny [10k\]: i like Ilya
OoohShiny [10k\]: he sounds awesome
Hashirama [1k\]: he is mean
Hashirama [1k\]: :(
storn [3k\]: hm
EGC2015a [-\]: Hopefully on board only:-))
wade [5d\]: k6 gets l6 or k7 as sente for b which isnt a good way to attack b
storn [3k\]: can smbd explain how f1 sente to connect left corner?
storn [3k\]: I cant understand(
storn [3k\]: ah
Hikaru123 [6k?\]: F1 tenuki E1 
storn [3k\]: f1!
storn [3k\]: I looked at f2) yes, ok)
]
;B[kp]
;W[lq]C[Hikaru123 [6k?\]: oooo ahhhhh
]
;B[hs]C[Hikaru123 [6k?\]: h1
]
;W[fs]C[gogonuts [4d\]: this is turning into a real grudge match
Hikaru123 [6k?\]: e1
Hashirama [1k\]: :o
OoohShiny [10k\]: D2?
hitaus [2k\]: wade, thanks! It's clear now! At first I thought it was quickly a semeai, and libs would count.
Hashirama [1k\]: n5?
Hashirama [1k\]: :o
wade [5d\]: if w gets a bigger wall out of this... it will get more ineresting game
wade [5d\]: yw
EGC2015a [-\]: No, no grudges, professional attitudes reign here. :-)
mnbvcx: здесь разгром
wade [5d\]: :)
Hashirama [1k\]: until Ilya rages and tosses the board
bracchi [3k\]: if b fails to kill this group, he won't ever be able to sleep
wade [5d\]: it looks like the first one to play d9 in the semiai will win
EGC2015a [-\]: Ilya rocks harder, probably pondering wide array of possibilities. Even he shook his head slightly now.
mishik [3k\]: Ilya rocks? Damn right!
flobby [-\]: he can let w live and play a little longer
flobby [-\]: have some more fun
Hikaru123 [6k?\]: maybe he counted his chickens too soon?
storn [3k\]: ))
gogonuts [4d\]: don't call the men in white coats
wade [5d\]: e1 l6 gets to a close semiai 
EGC2015a [-\]: Pop certainly isnt a quitter in this game. So far. 
Etherion [2k\]: d9 and d11 miai, no?
storn [3k\]: etherion, nice question
bracchi [3k\]: not for the semeai
Hikaru123 [6k?\]: the problem is the black H1 group
storn [3k\]: I think w catches
profi [2d\]: e1 looks ok
snowy [1k\]: ilya rocking? uh oh :<
EGC2015a [-\]: Both still plenty of time, although B has 40 minutes more on clock.
gogonuts [4d\]: b plays for his bottom center twice while w connects, and the game goes on?
Etherion [2k\]: well since e2 group lives and d9 and d11 are miai, the semeai goes to black, no?
Hashirama [1k\]: EGC does Ilya use cheat codes?
bracchi [3k\]: not easy to play e1 now
hgffdx: again an other fast game for Iliya
hgffdx: -i
EGC2015a [-\]: cheat codes??
flobby [-\]: what does roln do for a living?
gogonuts [4d\]: b needs only one more libe to block at e1
wade [5d\]: hashirama: thats pavol's expertise :P
Hashirama [1k\]: oh
Etherion [2k\]: I cannot see how white can take g9 group before black takes e12...
mnmn: e12 is lost. this is about K5 group
wade [5d\]: flobby he is a pro! pro powaaa
mnmn: w l6  etc
Etherion [2k\]: wl6 bn5
mnbvcx: n5
mnmn: then cut...
flobby [-\]: ya n5 probably fails
mnmn: then L5 is a weak spot for b
Etherion [2k\]: cut b n5??
bracchi [3k\]: a question: in case one of the non-pro wins this tournament, would he become qp?
mnmn: l6 n5 l5 then trouble
bracchi [3k\]: 1p*
wade [5d\]: nope
mnmn: i did not read, but something like that surely
gogonuts [4d\]: the way i see it e1 works
Intet [2d\]: black have to cut 
Etherion [2k\]: oh, I see now
Hikaru123 [6k?\]: If non pro wins, will he become pro and recieve life long salary?
mnmn: else this whole white maneuvre would be useless
gogonuts [4d\]: w gets max squeeze
x0000 [-\]: b can e1 I think, but w will seal b there
gogonuts [4d\]: but b preferable
EGC2015a [-\]: Ilya still thinking hard.
flobby [-\]: a dollar for every stone captured, hikaru
storn [3k\]: 0_o
wade [5d\]: e1 l6 m4 n4 m5 d9 d11 n6 b wins by 1 lib but w get huge wall
bracchi [3k\]: they should insert a rule among pros
hgffdx: only 13  white stones here
Hikaru123 [6k?\]: No, about 100 euro a year I think + sponsor payments + bonuses + prizes for winning tournaments
bracchi [3k\]: 100$ bonus every point of difference in the final result
Hikaru123 [6k?\]: sorry, 100 thousand euro per year I think
bracchi [3k\]: this should give some incentive to crush the opponent XD
snowy [1k\]: i don't see him in the stream :<
Hashirama [1k\]: :((
flobby [-\]: nope. 50 cents for every stone played, 1 dollar for every stone captured
myysect: where r results?
flobby [-\]: standard salary
myysect: anyone can give a link?
]
;B[mo]C[Hashirama [1k\]: :O
Hikaru123 [6k?\]: chicken
bracchi [3k\]: .............
superpal1 [1d\]: duck
Hashirama [1k\]: I said n5 too, are you calling me a chicken?!
Hikaru123 [6k?\]: yes
bracchi [3k\]: ok, this is also huge i mean....but still...
Hashirama [1k\]: :(
mnmn: hik, you did not contribute much of value in this chat
storn [3k\]: chikenduck)
snowy [1k\]: turkey
gogonuts [4d\]: ilya takes the two move outside option ...
gogonuts [4d\]: also nice for him
Hikaru123 [6k?\]: playing E1 is ultra painful for w though
bracchi [3k\]: well, let's see the positive side 
gogonuts [4d\]: must
bracchi [3k\]: we will go on seeing this game!
flobby [-\]: only 12 stones no big deal
mdew: %
mnbvcx: мой ход
Xion [12k\]: d11 is bad?
Xion [12k\]: it connects 2 groups
mnmn: d11 d9 and the 4 w stones die
mnmn: oh you mean for b?
maciek [2d\]: Pop is shocked
storn [3k\]: lol
EGC2015a [-\]: Pop back with a cup of coffee.
mnbvcx: миаи E1b и n4, p6
mnmn: d11 d9 are miai anyway, so D12 is dead. black is already connected
maciek [2d\]: new game for Pop
ponnolone [8k?\]: http://egc2015.cz/results
Hashirama [1k\]: smack the cup of coffee out of his hands
myysect: ty
Grunman [8k\]: Christian Pop vs Ilya Rock
gogonuts [4d\]: now w needs a tactical surprise to win
Hikaru123 [6k?\]: Give that man a Budweiser
EGC2015a [-\]: Hashirama, what a violent chap you are! :-))
]
;W[es]C[flobby [-\]: coffee?
EGC2015a [-\]: Yeah, humiliation cupful.
Hashirama [1k\]: Lets play a game of go and I will show you even more violence!
]
;B[no]C[bracchi [3k\]: N4
flobby [-\]: coffee must mean that he isn't planning to resign any time soon
maciek [2d\]: i cant understand why n5
]
;W[op]
;B[oo]C[Hikaru123 [6k?\]: I only play peaceful games
Xion [12k\]: wow so fast 
Xion [12k\]: 3 moves in 5 seconds
superpal1 [1d\]: why not n5... ask yourself this n u will understand
OoohShiny [10k\]: i would love to play more fighting games but i am too afraid of my bad reading xD
snowy [1k\]: lol the coffee
mishik [3k\]: oh damn, i stepped away at the very first moment Ilya decided not to kill....
superpal1 [1d\]: he cannot kill even if he tried
OoohShiny [10k\]: he probably didnt decide not to kill
EGC2015a [-\]: Let poor W at least enjoy his coffee.
OoohShiny [10k\]: there is hope for white
flobby [-\]: isn't q4 the obvious move
OoohShiny [10k\]: he just needs to kill P3
OoohShiny [10k\]: o.o
EGC2015a [-\]: Ilya around, watching other games...
flobby [-\]: or is he thinking of tenuki?
maciek [2d\]: q3 might be better
snowy [1k\]: ilya tenuki from his seat
mishik [3k\]: well... he did not played elsewhere :)
flobby [-\]: i don't like q3 but im weak
mnmn: q3 n4 looks worse than w q4 first
Hashirama [1k\]: EGC what happened to the stream?!
ponnolone [8k?\]: oh, is there a stream?
Hashirama [1k\]: There was
Hashirama [1k\]: D:
mishik [3k\]: will there be a couple of new pros after this championship?
Hashirama [1k\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5EcSYUKRGQ
ponnolone [8k?\]: on the site?
mnbvcx: ч. n 4 и p6 были лучше
ponnolone [8k?\]: ty hashirama
snowy [1k\]: long game o.o
maciek [2d\]: just starting
]
;W[pp]
;B[po]
;W[pq]
;B[qq]
;W[qr]C[mnbvcx: n4
Hikaru123 [6k?\]: No new pros now, all money has been spent on Greek bailout
jkgjkjlll: мне только кажецо или чёрным песец?
]
;B[rr]
;W[pr]
;B[ql]C[pastlink [?\]: the cut around k11 will hurt
bracchi [3k\]: exactly, what is b doing????
Xion [12k\]: с фигов ли ему песец
storn [3k\]: too peaceful for roln
wade [5d\]: how much time left for both players?
bracchi [3k\]: he could have taken at least l2
Hikaru123 [6k?\]: b is getting points
storn [3k\]: у черных все отлично
]
;W[kn]C[jkgjkjlll: хм... а дохлая группа?
storn [3k\]: которая?
Ckilo [4k\]: где
Xion [12k\]: где дохлая
bracchi [3k\]: no doubts he is winning this game but still
jkgjkjlll: :D
OoohShiny [10k\]: i wonder why nobody is playing K16/16, isnt that like real big for both?
storn [3k\]: центр живой.
]
;B[lp]C[jkgjkjlll: G9 и окрестности
mishik [3k\]: чайки :)
OoohShiny [10k\]: 16/17*
KBAC [2d\]: omg russian guys
storn [3k\]: d9 d11 миаи. черные успеваю выиграть семеай
]
;W[mp]C[pastlink [?\]: i don't think w can simly connect
jkgjkjlll: а... пропустил это, ага... давно не играл =\\
flobby [-\]: k16 is like nothing right now
Intet [2d\]: make an effort speak english like every body it will be more profitable
wade [5d\]: b is well ahead
pastlink [?\]: he need to be more ambitious to win
OoohShiny [10k\]: pro tip: just ignore everybody you dont understand
]
;B[mq]
;W[mr]
;B[ln]
;W[rl]C[snowy [1k\]: 진짜?
storn [3k\]: I can Japanese also xD
jkgjkjlll: sounds more like con tip =))
mnbvcx: ч много отдали, а могли съесть нижнюю группу
storn [3k\]: kuroi wa sugoi desu ne DDDD
storn [3k\]: не факт, что могли
storn [3k\]: или ты про которую?
OoohShiny [10k\]: except snowy
]
;B[rk]C[jkgjkjlll: kawaii yaoi hentai desu nya! =^_^=
OoohShiny [10k\]: i like trolls
]
;W[qk]
;B[rj]C[gogonuts [4d\]: n5 looks like a good choice now
storn [3k\]: me too
pastlink [?\]: i'm pretty sure ilya will try to kill... ^^
gogonuts [4d\]: better than taking huge profit but w getting a perfect squeeze in sente
gogonuts [4d\]: that would have been more dangerous
chestr [1d\]: лучше не дать центр там еще много играть
maciek [2d\]: hmm about s7
snowy [1k\]: 왜...
KBAC [2d\]: b need safe play to ensure win, what is he doing
storn [3k\]: если бы не дамедзумари у черных в центре... можно было бы резать. 
]
;W[pl]
;B[qm]
;W[qi]
;B[ri]C[snowy [1k\]: w getting center
snowy [1k\]: stop him!!!!
jkgjkjlll: синдром дамевого дзумаризма
pastlink [?\]: no center there
Hashirama [1k\]: how can you tell
ponnolone [8k?\]: dont get this pushing...
jkgjkjlll: snowy relax, no one is getting center (^
storn [3k\]: no points at center)
]
;W[rh]
;B[pm]C[KBAC [2d\]: we need a rule that guests are not allowed to chat , for u cant ban them
snowy [1k\]: why the hate? lol
maciek [2d\]: we dont need rules, we are all frieds
Shedal [?\]: so, what happens if they break that rule/
bbred [3k\]: fiends
jkgjkjlll: cant ban!? so i can DO WHATEVER I WANT?! YOOOHOOOO!!!
jkgjkjlll: xD
ponnolone [8k?\]: bb lol!
mishik [3k\]: you can, why not?
]
;W[lc]C[maciek [2d\]: i can see Pop coming back
mishik [3k\]: just right click in the user list
snowy [1k\]: there is an admin who is senstive in barthroom jokes...beware
jkgjkjlll: because guest can simply change nick and returm
maciek [2d\]: but i am a magician^^
ponnolone [8k?\]: he mean they can change as they got banned
jkgjkjlll: *return
chestr [1d\]: e18 big
KBAC [2d\]: some people misuse freedom and gettin annoying
mishik [3k\]: sure, but jkgjkjlll doesn't know that i have him censored :)
]
;B[qe]C[snowy [1k\]: did pop finish his coffee?
Funsies [-\]: now he knows
OoohShiny [10k\]: your freedom stops where you step into the freedom of other people
ponnolone [8k?\]: lol
]
;W[pf]C[jkgjkjlll: mishik i can live with that =)
storn [3k\]: omg
]
;B[ne]C[Funsies [-\]: he couldn't see your comment if he has you censored jkgjkjlll
mnmn: this is not about freedom, its about being an annoying butthead :)
maciek [2d\]: d17!
mishik [3k\]: funsies, that was the joke :)
storn [3k\]: the real freedom, when u can say '2x2=4'))
EGC2015a [-\]: Coffee unfinished, but for now forgotten.
maciek [2d\]: ok ok.. g17
snowy [1k\]: freedom is playing go w/ no distractions!!!
Funsies [-\]: 2x2=96 o.o
Funsies [-\]: oh noes
OoohShiny [10k\]: i dont think they care when they get censored, they just want to enjoy this game so it would be fine for them
Reym [-\]: coffee stops when someone steps into your coffee
storn [3k\]: Black feels nice
jkgjkjlll: storn  that sounded... strange :D
Funsies [-\]: o.o
storn [3k\]: lol)
jkgjkjlll: xD
snowy [1k\]: :0
OoohShiny [10k\]: =O
storn [3k\]: but he is))
maciek [2d\]: he took coffee because he was sure resign and review is coming, but Ilya surprised everyones with n7
jkgjkjlll: 8-[          \]
]
;W[dk]
;B[di]C[ponnolone [8k?\]: no stream or its only on my side?
storn [3k\]: ehm??
]
;W[qc]C[storn [3k\]: d9 looks bad, no? aji destroying, ko threat destroying
snowy [1k\]: maybe a big guy is blocking the screen
ponnolone [8k?\]: lol
jkgjkjlll: w is up to something :3
bbred [3k\]: w is deperate
bbred [3k\]: desperate
EGC2015a [-\]: Yes, looks like it.
maciek [2d\]: d9 was to make Ilya looking different part of the board for a while
snowy [1k\]: can't this be probe or timesuji.........
maciek [2d\]: and boom, hit strong at r17
]
;B[pc]C[snowy [1k\]: r 16 no?
maciek [2d\]: black is not so much ahead, still agame
]
;W[re]
;B[rd]
;W[qd]
;B[rc]
;W[pe]
;B[qb]C[maciek [2d\]: d17
]
;W[md]C[maciek [2d\]: Ilya nervous
]
;B[nd]C[maciek [2d\]: ah sure
snowy [1k\]: egc get some coffee ;p
maciek [2d\]: d17
snowy [1k\]: or get pop's coffee
maciek [2d\]: take Poppy coffee
EGC2015a [-\]: sorry, scribe's fault
mishik [3k\]: who's scribe?
maciek [2d\]: we wont tell its you
jkgjkjlll: tits coffee
snowy [1k\]: is scribe cute?
ponnolone [8k?\]: Poppy?^^
jkgjkjlll: assy
maciek [2d\]: sorry for my english
rsun [4d\]: poppy sounds too floppy
jkgjkjlll: [\][\][\][\][\][\][\][\][\][\][\][\][\][\][\][\][\][\][\][\][\][\][\][\][\][\][\]
snowy [1k\]: k16 seems safe but er
ponnolone [8k?\]: Poppy is a great nik!^^
]
;W[gb]C[jkgjkjlll: i made a fence
]
;B[eb]
;W[gc]
;B[og]C[maciek [2d\]: this is close
]
;W[si]C[ponnolone [8k?\]: Maybe Cristin likes it!^^
]
;B[rm]
;W[mg]C[rsun [4d\]: L14 possible
maciek [2d\]: how much white will take in center
snowy [1k\]: w got cash :<
jkgjkjlll: someone kicked me :'-(
Funsies [-\]: lol I would too dude
]
;B[mf]C[snowy [1k\]: thx
Hashirama [1k\]: Jesus kicked you
jkgjkjlll: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ SUDDEN TABLE THROWING!
maciek [2d\]: i think black played too defensive since n5
mishik [3k\]: oh... apparently you have to re-censor guests :(
mnmn: .....
Funsies [-\]: yeah, is sad
OoohShiny [10k\]: ye
Cool [1k\]: (ノ ﾟДﾟ)ノ　＝＝＝＝　┻━━┻ 　º•º••
OoohShiny [10k\]: i was surprised too to see jk again
rsun [4d\]: n13 too loose
OoohShiny [10k\]: feels like a close game
]
;W[of]C[maciek [2d\]: n13 clever
]
;B[kd]C[ponnolone [8k?\]: woah!
]
;W[kc]C[jkgjkjlll: (ﾉಥ益ಥ）ﾉ﻿ ┻━┻ it's nuclear tesuji!
]
;B[lg]
;W[mh]C[mnmn: could you please leave out those useless comments...
Xion [12k\]: =)
ponnolone [8k?\]: dont feed the troll
mnmn: he is gone
OoohShiny [10k\]: he will return
]
;B[jd]C[WiteDragon [3k\]: He'll be back in 5
negesog [7k\]: Seems b leading 
ponnolone [8k?\]: you have counted?
rsun [4d\]: w should worry about j8 group
jaqenhghar [1d\]: it happened in the past negesog
mishik [3k\]: can't w cut  l16?
mishik [3k\]: n15 o14 m15?
namtg [2k\]: m17 g16 j9 they are both under danger
maciek [2d\]: no time to orry
]
;W[jc]C[mishik [3k\]: ah, right
rsun [4d\]: L11
]
;B[nf]
;W[ng]C[rsun [4d\]: w sac j10 group?!
]
;B[ol]C[jaqenhghar [1d\]: what for?
snowy [1k\]: maybe w has a way to connect
jaqenhghar [1d\]: I can't see w gain anything from this sac
rsun [4d\]: he's playing as if it doesn't exist
rsun [4d\]: b L11 next
]
;W[ni]C[OoohShiny [10k\]: white cant cut off J8
OoohShiny [10k\]: ehm
WiteDragon [3k\]: B not enough libs to cut? 
OoohShiny [10k\]: black cant*
]
;B[oj]C[jaqenhghar [1d\]: anyways b ruined the center
jaqenhghar [1d\]: which was his goal
Cool [1k\]: p10 красивый ход
snowy [1k\]: something's cooking
Cool [1k\]: много возможностей
Felipe2: b is comfortably ahead
d27 [5k?\]: SE: B+0,5
d27 [5k?\]: like a pro
Xion [12k\]: it would be nice
OoohShiny [10k\]: huh?
OoohShiny [10k\]: SE for me says W+0,5
gabigo [?\]: i prefer w+0.5
rsun [4d\]: se gives the result of perfect play, which is why it often disagrees with imperfect human counting
ponnolone [8k?\]: maybe other language
d27 [5k?\]: oh, because my client isn't in english, sorry
ponnolone [8k?\]: b could be w in french italian...
d27 [5k?\]: yes
CakLontong [4k\]: b have sente d2 and c2?
]
;W[oi]C[OoohShiny [10k\]: well
OoohShiny [10k\]: better ko threats i guess
]
;B[kf]C[Naphthalin [6k?\]: SE fails at AGA rules
EGC2015a [-\]: W 10 minutes left
]
;W[rs]C[liusasori [4d\]: and B ?
rsun [4d\]: 20
]
;B[sr]C[EGC2015a [-\]: 47 min
Xion [12k\]: wow
ponnolone [8k?\]: still no stream
leachy [2k\]: seems by using SE and adjusting that black is ahead
Naphthalin [6k?\]: SE knows that b leads
rsun [4d\]: b is the european go seigen
Naphthalin [6k?\]: @leachy: you have to change rules to japanese
]
;W[mb]C[Naphthalin [6k?\]: locally
leachy [2k\]: oh thanks, mothball, didn't realize
Naphthalin [6k?\]: hehe
]
;B[nb]
;W[dc]
;B[db]
;W[ce]
;B[be]
;W[ci]
;B[ei]C[ponnolone [8k?\]: how could you do it?
]
;W[de]C[rsun [4d\]: view offline
AlexOss [3k\]: SE B+9.5
ponnolone [8k?\]: ah ok
ponnolone [8k?\]: thought there were a special feature here
mishik [3k\]: w! w+9.5
rsun [4d\]: yes, that's the name of the special feature
EGC2015a [-\]: komi is 7.5
mishik [3k\]: why are EGC games played under AGA rules? ^_^
snowy [1k\]: and coffee is...?
AlexOss [3k\]: sorry, my bad
]
;B[dg]C[rsun [4d\]: they liked the idea of passing stone
rsun [4d\]: now w must save j10
x0000 [-\]: I don't think it is AGA rules, they play under european rules, don't they?
rsun [4d\]: what are european rules
EGC2015a [-\]: AGA rules.
]
;W[lm]
;B[mm]
;W[ll]
;B[lh]
;W[li]C[Cez [4d\]: is that cega requirement?
]
;B[ki]C[snowy [1k\]: O_O
]
;W[kj]
;B[lj]
;W[mi]C[maciek [2d\]: W took some points in center
x0000 [-\]: european rules = japanese counting, you pay 1 point for passing, w always pass last
]
;B[ji]C[kyyni [5k\]: that's aga rules
d27 [5k?\]: that's AGA
EGC2015a [-\]: yes, AGA
]
;W[jj]
;B[jg]C[Cez [4d\]: what is the reason for aga ruleset?
d27 [5k?\]: european rules are the japanese ones
]
;W[ml]
;B[nl]C[x0000 [-\]: I don't know aga rules, only european (french version)
ponnolone [8k?\]: there is no european rules
rsun [4d\]: there is no ruleset named "european"
x0000 [-\]: you sure?
snowmen [4d\]: If thes play japanese rules, komi cannot be 7.5
maciek [2d\]: B+8,5 i counted, trust me, i am 2d kgs
]
;W[fb]
;B[kq]C[flobby [-\]: not very convincing maciek
maciek [2d\]: :)
]
;W[nq]C[maciek [2d\]: i did my best
]
;B[dr]C[flobby [-\]: but w didn't resign yet? Or did he catch up after all that
AlexOss [3k\]: maciek, thank you )
]
;W[ds]C[kyyni [5k\]: i don't think any ruleset defines trivial things such as the amount of komi
maciek [2d\]: thanks Alex i feel usefull now
]
;B[id]C[ponnolone [8k?\]: trivial?
flobby [-\]: so did b make some horrible mistakes, or did he just play soft and let w catch up a little bit?
AlexOss [3k\]: Go, Ilya, go!
rsun [4d\]: "Komi is trivial - I beat everyone without it." -- Go Seigen
kyyni [5k\]: trivial in a way that passing stones or territory or area counting isn't
gabigo [?\]: time?
]
;W[ec]
;B[mc]C[jaqenhghar [1d\]: you shouldn't be concerned with komi because you should be winning by resign
mishik [3k\]: komi is different in different rule sets, so they do define them
leachy [2k\]: maybe it's better to say that komi is independent of the other rules
maciek [2d\]: B+R now
ponnolone [8k?\]: seems so
EGC2015a [-\]: W enters byoyomi now.
EGC2015a [-\]: 3 times 1 minute
]
;W[lb]C[maciek [2d\]: cool we can watch it for the next hour
]
;B[ic]
;W[ib]
;B[ld]C[snowy [1k\]: xD
EGC2015a [-\]: yes. :-))
kyyni [5k\]: i read for example the nihon ki-in 1989 rules and there was no mention of komi
snowy [1k\]: /me gets popcorn
]
;W[hc]
;B[ok]
;W[nj]C[maciek [2d\]: EGC, can u give some results, board 25? 
]
;B[qe]
;W[qd]
;B[cr]
;W[cs]
;B[am]C[storn [3k\]: 25??
]
;W[an]C[storn [3k\]: there r 12 boards
maciek [2d\]: yes :)
]
;B[jn]C[maciek [2d\]: there are 320 boards :)
storn [3k\]: hmm
]
;W[jm]C[maciek [2d\]: http://egc2015.cz/results/main
]
;B[is]
;W[jr]
;B[pk]
;W[pi]
;B[if]
;W[ck]
;B[bk]C[mishik [3k\]: SOSOS ? Sum of S*** opponent Scores?
mnbvcx: b +7
bumblefoot [2k\]: EGC do you know what Burzo and Catalin did?
]
;W[hf]
;B[he]
;W[ge]C[Intet [2d\]: b+10
]
;B[ih]
;W[hd]C[mishik [3k\]: what's sosos? :)
]
;B[ie]C[kyyni [5k\]: sum of opponents' SOS
daniug [2d\]: kind of sauce
mishik [3k\]: ah, thx
daniug [2d\]: :)
storn [3k\]: Does anybody knows 5 board results?
mishik [3k\]: not you)
storn [3k\]: Kravets vs surin
rsun [4d\]: so you can do that forever: sososos, sosososos, ...
liusasori [4d\]: b+9.5
]
;W[na]
;B[oa]
;W[ma]C[mishik [3k\]: sodosodos
maciek [2d\]: hey i counted 30 minutes ago it will be B+8.5
maciek [2d\]: trust me
]
;B[ko]
;W[km]C[storn [3k\]: and 13 board
]
;B[js]
;W[ks]
;B[cb]C[pastlink [?\]: more like +16
]
;W[oe]
;B[se]
;W[sf]
;B[sd]
;W[od]C[mishik [3k\]: omg)
snowy [1k\]: someone's hungry ~.~
mishik [3k\]: d19 is a tesuji
maciek [2d\]: coffee
Felipe2: new school of yose
]
;B[oc]C[mishik [3k\]: p17 for b please :)
]
;W[ea]
;B[da]
;W[fa]
;B[qc]
;W[qe]C[rsun [4d\]: they shouldn't allow undos in tournaments
storn [3k\]: ))
]
;B[ch]
;W[sj]
;B[sl]C[mdm [3k\]: in the result list there are a couple of games where both players lost. does anyone know what happened there?
]
;W[sh]
;B[sk]C[mishik [3k\]: dns?
maciek [2d\]: wrong order :)
]
;W[qs]
;B[rq]C[maciek [2d\]: we are cheated
bolbi [-\]: they played to badly, mdm
EGC2015a [-\]: sorryyyy!!
maciek [2d\]: no problem, i am kidding
maciek [2d\]: tell the result :)
loupida [-\]: ^^
maciek [2d\]: is it really 8.5?
snowy [1k\]: go to the kyu corner!
EGC2015a [-\]: I couldnt make it.
OoohShiny [10k\]: we welcome everybody!
EGC2015a [-\]: Will tell result.
grumpy [4k\]: EGC, do you know the today's result for Catalin and Burzo?
mdew: who won?
EGC2015a [-\]: Wait, guys.
maciek [2d\]: B+...8.5?
storn [3k\]: more
snowy [1k\]: *holds breath*
liusasori [4d\]: 9.5
storn [3k\]: 10.5
storn [3k\]: sold!
Mikko88888: 11.5
snowy [1k\]: *turning blue*
EGC2015a [-\]: Black wins by 15 points.
maciek [2d\]: tadam tadam
isumi43 [5k\]: Thx Euro
snowy [1k\]: pwaa!!
miracle2c [9k\]: nice
storn [3k\]: Anyone
miracle2c [9k\]: thanks
snowy [1k\]: congrats roln :D
rsg [5k\]: Who is black?
storn [3k\]: knows 13 and 5 boards results?
EGC2015a [-\]: Catalin still playing.
maciek [2d\]: and 25?
rsg [5k\]: Oh, roln
grumpy [4k\]: Thank you, EGC
maciek [2d\]: yeah thanks
snowy [1k\]: egc go have a nice meal now :)
EGC2015a [-\]: Thats all, guys, thanks for watching. :-)
allfredi: thx egc
storn [3k\]: thank you
EGC2015a [-\]: See you at next games. Bye now.
mnbvcx: молодец, Илья!
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