(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Championship 2015 (Top24) - r4, Lisy Pavol (w) vs. Kachanovskyi Artem (b)]PW[Lisy Pavol]PB[Kachanovskyi Artem]WR[1p]BR[7d]DT[2015-07-30]RO[4]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[gomac: wow artem vs pavol
kmr [1d\]: it looks like Artem is in top form in this tournament
gogonuts [4d\]: top game
gogonuts [4d\]: with least important result :-)
tuquedenne [4d\]: yeah, those two are already qualified
ngarry [-\]: rank?
gogonuts [4d\]: agree, artem was awesome sofar
tuquedenne [4d\]: but the winner will have an easier game tomorrow
gomac: shikshin no.1,artem no.2
kmr [1d\]: Pavol looks like good form too
gomac: Oh,pavol no.4
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[qd]
;W[pp]C[gomac: Lukas no.3
TurtleDove [5k\]: so far, I understand it ... haha
gogonuts [4d\]: winning is a clear plus, but not vital, so we might get to see an especially interesting game
]
;B[dc]C[gogonuts [4d\]: it's more about honor - no need for safety play
gomac: I would likke to see some fighting game
gomac: like
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;W[cp]C[TurtleDove [5k\]: there's no way to play without trying to win so I'm not sure it makes a difference
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;B[ep]
;W[eq]
;B[fq]
;W[dq]C[TurtleDove [5k\]: it's not like chess where grandmasters can agree a quick draw (much to the disgust of fans)
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;B[qn]C[ufukcus [9k?\]: They are both 3-0 or pavol is 2-1?
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;W[nq]C[gomac: both 3-0
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;B[gp]C[gomac: Is it the last game before quater-finals?
Muttley [3k\]: yes
]
;W[cn]
;B[kq]
;W[rp]C[tuquedenne [4d\]: both 3-0, that's why they're already qualified
maciek [2d\]: corners are gold
maciek [2d\]: c15 :)
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;B[nc]C[gomac: c15 biggest
atiyah [1d?\]: is 7d the max egf rank?
rubicon [4d\]: isnt hwang inseoung 8d egf?
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;W[qj]C[ghaele [3d?\]: 8d
ofbusy [-\]: r10 feels good
HardScore [2d\]: q7 seems severe next
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;B[qh]C[maciek [2d\]: yose soon ;)
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;W[oj]C[Grunman [8k\]: Kachanovskiy seems in the fight mood
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;B[ce]C[ofbusy [-\]: now could you see that grunman ? 
ofbusy [-\]: "how
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;W[ic]C[maciek [2d\]: good question
U [?\]: go artem!
Mipaline [2d?\]: go Pavol!
U [?\]: aww
lxlx [-\]: _o_ \\o_ _o_ _o/ _o_ \\o/ Go Artem!
fujiyama [8k\]: would Artem play G16 now?
atiyah [1d?\]: i think the sensible choices are g17, l17, and tenuki
atiyah [1d?\]: the latter perhaps most likely
fujiyama [8k\]: yes tenuki q9
atiyah [1d?\]: b will not do anything with the r6 stone for awhile
atiyah [1d?\]: that fight would ruin him
fujiyama [8k\]: probably the most big move around h16 or d10 ?
ofbusy [-\]: a little p4 question maybe
TurtleDove [5k\]: j17 is a target to attack. can't see a tenuki which is better
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;B[oh]C[ofbusy [-\]: well as l17and f17 are miai its not 100% a target
fujiyama [8k\]: yes but a good response of 17 move for me is p6 move 
ofbusy [-\]: p12 looks ok
lxlx [-\]: TurtleDove, J17 is strong, because it can expand to both sides. Black can leave the decision from which side to approach for later.
fujiyama [8k\]: yes , better side is L17 anyway
TurtleDove [5k\]: I guess B is aware W might make big lower right and wants to have big upper right to match
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;W[qc]C[namtg [2k\]: fujiyama..p6 is ok but b can let r6 to use later and take bigger moves
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;B[pc]C[namtg [2k\]: 1st corner invansion
fujiyama [8k\]: LOL lisy run with q17 black failure
fujiyama [8k\]: cross cut?
TurtleDove [5k\]: tenuki unless he can see a sequence to life
atiyah [1d?\]: i think the aim is to make m17 sente
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;W[nm]C[fujiyama [8k\]: yes tenuki tutle was good so black is trapped now in the corner
atiyah [1d?\]: the point is that r17 was a probe rather than an invasion
zima [1k\]: o7 looks like 'red ears' move
fujiyama [8k\]: yes , it is the reason why i proposed p6 move before this move ^^
atiyah [1d?\]: well o7 is a local move
lxlx [-\]: R17 is dead. It is used to reduce the corner more effectively later.
atiyah [1d?\]: more accurately it is used to make outside moves sente later
fujiyama [8k\]: " reddering ear" i heard of than in ancient time:) shushaku's move?
OoohShiny [10k\]: meh
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;B[kc]C[OoohShiny [10k\]: that move doesnt look too special to me
maciek [2d\]: o7 looks weird
fujiyama [8k\]: do L 17 now
ofbusy [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?EarReddeningMove
]
;W[fc]C[fujiyama [8k\]: thanks ofbusy
gomac: omg,what happened to r6 group
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;B[mi]C[atiyah [1d?\]: i'm surprised how fast n11 was played
fujiyama [8k\]: haha big moyo opening for both
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;W[ee]C[atiyah [1d?\]: man are these moves supposed to be obvious?
gomac: maybe
ofbusy [-\]: surely not , n11 influence on r6 aji is deep thing
gogonuts [4d\]: r6 can still become a hero
OoohShiny [10k\]: dead hero though
fujiyama [8k\]: Yes but R6 can be later as aji
gomac: yes
ofbusy [-\]: b q9 q10 o8 isnt that obvious to me
ofbusy [-\]: well i dont think it work still
lxlx [-\]: Maybe it is better to threaten to move R6 out by defending black's lower side.
gomac: c10 now ok?
ofbusy [-\]: i think b must defend against w c14
apro [-\]: :)
gomac: oh
gomac: apro
ofbusy [-\]: well , or tenuki but i think its pretty sente 
gomac: oh yea,I didn't see this
fujiyama [8k\]: i will choose an attack point as H15 OR G16 move
TurtleDove [5k\]: I wouldn't want that corner closed in by W with the left side still available. so I would c13
gogonuts [4d\]: can b play r8?
fujiyama [8k\]: a kyu move is c12 naturally
gogonuts [4d\]: lr aji insanely difficult
gomac: I think r8 should be played later
gomac: I think not now
lxlx [-\]: gogonuts, r8 q9 ?
gogonuts [4d\]: yes, big mystery after that
fujiyama [8k\]: R6 aji will be good with O5 move later
gomac: Does artem have a kgs account?
fujiyama [8k\]: yes
gomac: What's the name?
atiyah [1d?\]: i would begin with o6
TurtleDove [5k\]: artem92
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;B[hd]C[gomac: thanks :)
fujiyama [8k\]: so H16 attack move
gomac: Want to get the m14 territory ?
fujiyama [8k\]: h15 i see was a bit not as severe
ofbusy [-\]: seem like it combines with f18 
fujiyama [8k\]: it's a little complicated now
gomac: why?
fujiyama [8k\]: because black has to preserve his moyo now
fujiyama [8k\]: J16 white is natural response
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;W[id]C[ofbusy [-\]: indeed
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;B[hc]
;W[he]
;B[ib]
;W[ie]
;B[gb]C[fujiyama [8k\]: anyway black connect ^^
gomac: Good for black
ofbusy [-\]: y i dont like it for w
gomac: sente for w
fujiyama [8k\]: i saw Artem Vs Fan, and i think Artem has a very good fight style
U [?\]: artem can fight for sure, he just prefers not to
]
;W[dg]C[U [?\]: most of the time
gomac: Go Artem!!!!!!!!
fujiyama [8k\]: yes but y was surprised of this new style
ofbusy [-\]: o12 would be pavol s style :p
gomac: what is pavol style
ofbusy [-\]: pretty patient until he sees a possibility for twisted tactical complications then he runs into it
ofbusy [-\]: imo of course
fujiyama [8k\]: C11 black?
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;B[ef]C[gomac: I found that Pavol and Ilja plays a game on kgs one day before egc
TurtleDove [5k\]: W c16 ! lol
gomac: white can
fujiyama [8k\]: white can't cut
fujiyama [8k\]: very well done
gomac: ?
fujiyama [8k\]: if D14 cut then semeai with f15 black
]
;W[df]
;B[de]C[storn [3k\]: gornac, and who won?
fujiyama [8k\]: its depends of their reading strengh
ofbusy [-\]: hm b plans on a shicho breaker
gomac: gornac?
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;W[ff]C[storn [3k\]: gomac)
gomac: You mean this game or the fighting?
ofbusy [-\]: it looks b took control of the flow of the game ...
storn [3k\]: I about pavol vs ilya game before egc
gomac: ah ok
fujiyama [8k\]: black has no shisho breaker now
gomac: Ilja win
storn [3k\]: )) Nice)
]
;B[nn]C[TurtleDove [5k\]: dunno, I think W happy with result in top left
fujiyama [8k\]: haha a shisho breaker appear ^^
gomac: wowwowow
gomac: finally
ofbusy [-\]: thats very  severe from b
atiyah [1d?\]: a bit unusual to refer to a sabaki move as "severe"
fujiyama [8k\]: now white has the choice :)
ofbusy [-\]: getting r6 out is like robbing the fed bank 
]
;W[mm]C[gomac: computer overheat :(
]
;B[op]C[fujiyama [8k\]: its Artem specific style now
]
;W[oq]
;B[po]C[atiyah [1d?\]: i'm curious what w was thinking about playing other than p3
]
;W[qo]C[atiyah [1d?\]: w played e15 in a few sends and took several minutes to play p3
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;B[om]
;W[mn]
;B[pk]C[ofbusy [-\]: hm can b live here..
ofbusy [-\]: w s not helping !!
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;W[pj]
;B[nl]
;W[nk]
;B[ml]
;W[ol]
;B[ok]
;W[pl]
;B[qk]
;W[ql]
;B[rk]
;W[rl]C[tuquedenne [4d\]: what is Artem doing?
OoohShiny [10k\]: dying
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;B[ll]C[gogonuts [4d\]: his first misread of the tournament?
tuquedenne [4d\]: just to get this breaker? sigh
gogonuts [4d\]: hm, not so bad
nidza92 [7d?\]: this is terrible 
Guyome [2d\]: played all this to get a ladder breaker ?
nidza92 [7d?\]: misread most probably
gogonuts [4d\]: going for n5
fujiyama [8k\]: but white has to connect o10
tuquedenne [4d\]: thanks Nikola :)
Song17 [5d?\]: ladder breaker?..
]
;W[mj]C[Guyome [2d\]: to get e14 out ?
]
;B[eg]C[fujiyama [8k\]: yes
Prodigious [-\]: the price of this breaker is too high
Song17 [5d?\]: w didn't gain That much that wasn't his already (more or less)
gogonuts [4d\]: and should have cleaned up at n5 first imo
]
;W[dh]C[gogonuts [4d\]: must be flustered
fujiyama [8k\]: 9 black stones = more than 18 points
gogonuts [4d\]: lol
Prodigious [-\]: at least he should have played m8 instead of p9 already, no?
fk3: pick up peanut, lose coconut
]
;B[eh]
;W[ed]
;B[di]
;W[ei]
;B[fh]C[GoMaster [2d\]: somethings going to die soon
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;W[ci]
;B[dj]
;W[cj]
;B[dk]C[Song17 [5d?\]: b building a huge moyo
lxlx [-\]: I have seen more reasonable moves than fighting with Pavol. :-P
Song17 [5d?\]: where he still doesn't have stones :P
]
;W[bg]C[Song17 [5d?\]: w justifying e16 
fujiyama [8k\]: securing black moyo with m10 ?
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;B[bf]C[lxlx [-\]: fujiyama, black should defend against the cut at D16 first.
Song17 [5d?\]: squeeze with n5 m6 m7 first would be ideal, but not likely to happen
]
;W[hh]
;B[fi]
;W[bl]
;B[mo]
;W[km]C[fujiyama [8k\]: yes ixlx but black want to settle his moyo first ^^
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;B[ni]C[OoohShiny [10k\]: isnt M10 like... the only move right now?
fujiyama [8k\]: yes for black after but now white connect O10
OoohShiny [10k\]: or is he thinking about straight up O10? oO
OoohShiny [10k\]: but white doesnt have to connect
OoohShiny [10k\]: so why should he?
ghaele [3d?\]: or l9 maybe
]
;W[lj]C[OoohShiny [10k\]: see
wade [5d\]: i like r6 q5 p4 p7 o6 n5 shape
fujiyama [8k\]: now white is connected
OoohShiny [10k\]: N8 dead?
ofbusy [-\]: w has a firm grip on the win
fujiyama [8k\]: white in good position now
]
;B[kl]C[OoohShiny [10k\]: SE thinks black is ahead =D
OoohShiny [10k\]: oh
OoohShiny [10k\]: i was sure black would go L9
OoohShiny [10k\]: mhhh
fujiyama [8k\]: black can connect 
OoohShiny [10k\]: L6?
]
;W[kn]
;B[nj]
;W[mk]
;B[ki]C[ofbusy [-\]: hm i see b targets h15
ghaele [3d?\]: or l15
]
;W[kj]
;B[jj]C[ofbusy [-\]: but f11 is kindof weak too
gomac: This game has changed a lot......
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;W[hj]
;B[li]
;W[rj]
;B[ii]
;W[hi]
;B[cl]
;W[ck]
;B[dl]
;W[cm]
;B[bm]C[ofbusy [-\]: b want d5 peep too
wade [5d\]: b6 b9 a7 c12 b gets some stones 
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;W[bk]
;B[em]
;W[fj]
;B[ej]C[ofbusy [-\]: depending on w s way to defend h15 b would like to play o5 to make a liberty fight with l6
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;W[jh]C[wade [5d\]: o5 p6 q7 r7 q6 s6 p5 m4 the net work
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;B[ji]C[ofbusy [-\]: i agree
ofbusy [-\]: for what its worth :p
ofbusy [-\]: but with a few outside stones the net could break
fuzhou [4d\]: j8 looks nice
lxlx [-\]: ofbusy, a black stone at k7 would be enough to break it I think.
]
;W[hm]C[OoohShiny [10k\]: weird
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;B[il]
;W[hl]
;B[gk]
;W[hk]
;B[im]
;W[in]
;B[hn]C[OoohShiny [10k\]: K9?
OoohShiny [10k\]: oO
OoohShiny [10k\]: oh nvmd
OoohShiny [10k\]: ddk idea xD
]
;W[ik]C[OoohShiny [10k\]: close o/
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;B[jk]
;W[jn]
;B[jl]C[wade [5d\]: w's h15 eye shape is limited and dangerous to leave it like this
OoohShiny [10k\]: i think thats why he wants to connect to  K6
OoohShiny [10k\]: but it feels if white would play (just another bad ddk idea) something like G6 and then E6 the black D8 group feels in danger too
herissondu [5d\]: yes, w can try to threaten that group to escape, but it's not that easy
OoohShiny [10k\]: i would like F9
Trucmuch [3d\]: hard game for white...
]
;W[gn]
;B[ho]C[OoohShiny [10k\]: oh
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;W[en]C[OoohShiny [10k\]: now F9 would actually work xD
OoohShiny [10k\]: wow
lxlx [-\]: OoohShiny is awesome :-)
]
;B[dn]C[OoohShiny [10k\]: >.<
EGC2015b [-\]: both players 67 min left
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;W[fm]C[wade [5d\]: crazy ko?
OoohShiny [10k\]: with white D7 next?
wade [5d\]: e5 first
]
;B[dm]
;W[do]
;B[eo]C[Trucmuch [3d\]: seems not that big for black this ko
lxlx [-\]: One eye in sente for white at F9
OoohShiny [10k\]: but doesnt black G10 give that group 2 eyes?
Trucmuch [3d\]: why play D5 if w dont play the ko ?
lxlx [-\]: OoohShiny, yes
lxlx [-\]: Trucmuch, want is the alternative?
lxlx [-\]: *What
OoohShiny [10k\]: so... one gets to connect, the other gets an eye
OoohShiny [10k\]: tough choice
Trucmuch [3d\]: if black cant play G13, w almost dead
OoohShiny [10k\]: can*?
Trucmuch [3d\]: but even F9 for w, he got only 1 eye and hurt the corner
Trucmuch [3d\]: yeah
Trucmuch [3d\]: black just need the timing
]
;W[fo]
;B[fn]C[OoohShiny [10k\]: if feels like white cant win this ko
Trucmuch [3d\]: D16 the local threat ?
Patze: wasn't connecting better?
]
;W[jc]C[Trucmuch [3d\]: H10 for black
Trucmuch [3d\]: live and kill the eye here ? 
Shedal [?\]: G10, yes, that's what I am thinking about as well
OoohShiny [10k\]: i still dont see what white will play when he ignores a threat
Trucmuch [3d\]: at f4 and kill the black group
Shedal [?\]: well W wants to connect his group via F4 and killing 2 black stones
Shedal [?\]: B can still live in gote at G10
Shedal [?\]: even if he loses the ko
Shedal [?\]: ...twice
OoohShiny [10k\]: is there no chance for white to get even 1 eye a F16 area?
mooooo [4k\]: isnt p6 realy big what am i missing?
mooooo [4k\]: or maybe o5 better
lxlx [-\]: OoohShiny, w could get one eye by playing G16, but it probably isn't the best way to make his group alive.
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;B[gj]C[OoohShiny [10k\]: so blackneither decidet to fill the ko nor to answer the threat
OoohShiny [10k\]: O_o
fuzhou [4d\]: d18
OoohShiny [10k\]: there is so much space in the M15 area, it would be great if white could create an eye in the middle of black moyo =D
lxlx [-\]: OoohShiny, black made his group alive. This makes the ko a lot smaller. It was kind of connecting the ko, but probably even better.
]
;W[en]
;B[fp]C[OoohShiny [10k\]: ah okay
snowy [1k\]: artem how r u doiiin~
Trucmuch [3d\]: now w got one eye with ko here..
OoohShiny [10k\]: white L14 feels like a save trip to eyes
]
;W[fb]C[Faxolema [10k\]: Лысый Павел
lxlx [-\]: Does white have some evil sequence in the corner?
dxxd [-\]: this looks dangerous
TurtleDove [5k\]: now we see the point of W k17 hopefully
GoMaster [2d\]: white k8 stones are somewhat funny, after all they make zero points, and surrounded a conncted group :D 
EGC2015b [-\]: black 56 min left, white 42 min left
mooooo [4k\]: d17 or j18 gonna die?
]
;B[eb]C[Shedal [?\]: B O5 will also be huge
]
;W[jb]
;B[fa]C[slim76 [1k\]: shedal, are you sure about that? the fight looks complicated
]
;W[kd]
;B[lc]C[Shedal [?\]: yeah, maybe W will have a way to retaliate
WiteDragon [3k\]: looks like w will have to live in gote though
]
;W[kf]
;B[gg]
;W[hg]
;B[gf]C[dxxd [-\]: I'd have played f19 as w, but just a feeling
bracchi [3k\]: is not g15 forced move here?
Deodred [3d\]: g15 is just a 15 points yose
WiteDragon [3k\]: w doesn't need those stones, just points
OoohShiny [10k\]: white probably thinks if he has to sacrafice the F16 area
Shedal [?\]: W can skip it, but then B gets a huge yose
qgo [4k\]: b has w in the full nelson now
Shedal [?\]: what's a full nelson?
Shedal [?\]: is that a rollerskatnig term? ;)
]
;W[md]C[qgo [4k\]: a wrestling term
]
;B[mc]C[jtshrt: I'm not sure if bG13 was a good idea
bracchi [3k\]: what does it stnad for? never heard of t
jtshrt: white has two eyes anyways, and can just keep rolling in to black's territory
fujiyama [8k\]: how can white live ?
gonzo [4d?\]: maybe only a half nelson
WiteDragon [3k\]: two eyes where?
WiteDragon [3k\]: one is in ko
Mukti [3d\]: Where is there a ko eye?
Shedal [?\]: the ko eye is at F8, G8
Mukti [3d\]: That's no eye
Shedal [?\]: that's a ko eye
]
;W[ge]
;B[le]
;W[ke]C[Hrewsahgs [1k\]: Well, considering the existence of g14
Hrewsahgs [1k\]: Nevermind
Hrewsahgs [1k\]: I was too late
]
;B[hf]
;W[if]
;B[ih]
;W[ig]C[Mukti [3d\]: I see. A very expensive ko-eye though. hardly. But sitill, it is indeed a ko-eye.
]
;B[lp]C[Shedal [?\]: oh, so O5 was too dangerous, then
Shedal [?\]: would have been
YZ1509 [3d\]: finally five in a row across the diagonal, does that count
Shedal [?\]: that's a renju win in my book
Konatus [1d\]: but if black plays g8 now no eye
ubique [3d\]: Black gets an Ing clock for that.
Hrewsahgs [1k\]: White can play l12 though
Deodred [3d\]: L12 makes a second eye
Konatus [1d\]: but it's too little threat you're rught
YZ1509 [3d\]: white should make a good move, i guess
Heliodor [?\]: b7 to f11 was already 5 in row diagonally
Mukti [3d\]: B cpuld try K15 as an all out measure.
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;W[on]C[lxlx [-\]: b g8 is so painful
tuquedenne [4d\]: in term of points I don't see how B could win this game
Mukti [3d\]: But w has agazillion ko-threats.
YZ1509 [3d\]: on a 361 intersection board> doubtfull
Deodred [3d\]: and there is still probably somthing in the top right corner, with a move like S14 or smth
Goser [12k\]: Now Black must play G8 or F8 to get his two eyes
tuquedenne [4d\]: he's more than a komi behind
Hrewsahgs [1k\]: Goser, it's already two eyes
YZ1509 [3d\]: so Pavol beats artem, what does that mean
fuzhou [4d\]: neglecting the ko w seems to be leading
Manslay [4k\]: that means it's good for Ilya :)
mooooo [4k\]: .. i feel w got the harder game
mooooo [4k\]: isnt b ahead at the moment?
YZ1509 [3d\]: aha roln winning once more an egc?
Mukti [3d\]: I don't think b is ahead, Mooooo.
tuquedenne [4d\]: ilja will be first in every case, Manslay
mooooo [4k\]: okay i guess you are right
tuquedenne [4d\]: because of the system :)
Shedal [?\]: so B can either start the ko now by playing K13
YZ1509 [3d\]: yeah the system is wrong, any danplayers should make a note of that
ofbusy [-\]: the system ! i knew it :p
Shedal [?\]: or try to create more threats on the board
mooooo [4k\]: f*** the system
Mukti [3d\]: Q4-connect-O4, take, N3?
Shedal [?\]: Mukti, OR - make these some of these moves as ko threats
Mukti [3d\]: But I think he has to play them now.
WiteDragon [3k\]: Q4 occupied... 
Shedal [?\]: B will likely K13 now
Mukti [3d\]: Q3 - sorry.
mooooo [4k\]: sry wont do again
Mukti [3d\]: The idea of these moves is that O4 hreatens to extend to Q7.
Mukti [3d\]: So it must be played right away, not later.
YZ1509 [3d\]: aha indeed p12 was to slow
Shedal [?\]: Mukti, what I mean is that B has a chance to start a huge ko fight right now by playing K13
Mukti [3d\]: I see.
Shedal [?\]: he might miss the chance to win that fight
Mukti [3d\]: True.
Mukti [3d\]: But w has almost unlimited threats.
]
;B[pn]C[mooooo [4k\]: what now? o4 and try to take all?
]
;W[pm]
;B[oo]
;W[no]
;B[np]C[Shedal [?\]: ha
lama [2d\]: ha what
Shedal [?\]: S6 will be sente for B
Hrewsahgs [1k\]: couldn't white do n4 instead of o5?
]
;W[mq]C[packer [6k?\]: w n4 on b q6 has looking good
]
;B[mp]
;W[qp]C[Shedal [?\]: I am wondering what Artem's plan is. Does he want to start the ko fight?
]
;B[dp]
;W[co]
;B[cq]C[Shedal [?\]: it doesn't look that way
madmason [2d\]: what ko?
Shedal [?\]: K13
]
;W[cr]
;B[bq]
;W[br]
;B[fr]C[Shedal [?\]: forcing W to make a ko eye at G7
]
;W[ds]C[mooooo [4k\]: pavol very strong but artem plays amazing
jtshrt: I got W+2.5
madmason [2d\]: if black loses the ko he dies though
madmason [2d\]: oh wait no sry
Shedal [?\]: no, he'll have 2 eyes, E11 and F10
qgo [4k\]: b created ko threats a lot
Shedal [?\]: and spent some, too
]
;B[ld]C[Firien [?\]: kill
]
;W[fl]C[fujiyama [8k\]: white alive?
]
;B[fk]C[Mukti [3d\]: Ko starting!
madmason [2d\]: or maybe there was another way for white to make 2 eyes
]
;W[gl]C[madmason [2d\]: l12 and white lives
Mukti [3d\]: No
Mukti [3d\]: L12-L13
Hrewsahgs [1k\]: Not anymore
Mukti [3d\]: Oh, wait.
madmason [2d\]: l12 l13 m13 
Shedal [?\]: L13 doesn't work
Mukti [3d\]: L12-K15
fujiyama [8k\]: f6 ko
Penfold [2k\]: plenty of internal ko threats
]
;B[fn]C[Tristero [2d?\]: b lightly ahead I'd say
madmason [2d\]: l13 closes the territory though
]
;W[ia]
;B[hb]
;W[en]
;B[nn]C[Shedal [?\]: really?.. this ko threat? why?..
Mukti [3d\]: Big enough.
Shedal [?\]: though, it actually doesn't matter
Shedal [?\]: yeah
ofbusy [-\]: its an exchange of kos, 100% funny
Shedal [?\]: big enough to win regardless
Mukti [3d\]: Always start with the smaller threats
]
;W[om]C[Mukti [3d\]: But this ko is nicer for b.
Shedal [?\]: cool
]
;B[fn]C[Mukti [3d\]: The original ko is hard because of w's internal threats.
Shedal [?\]: true!
ofbusy [-\]: right mukti
Mukti [3d\]: G16 now, probably.
]
;W[bd]C[packer [6k?\]: b b17
Shedal [?\]: so I'm still puzzled. can't W live with L12/
stj1997 [1d\]: hi, did fan hui win?
]
;B[bc]C[gomac: yes
madmason [2d\]: maybe white thanks that black will just win if w l12
jtshrt: wL12 bL13?
madmason [2d\]: *thinks
stj1997 [1d\]: thamks
]
;W[en]C[Mukti [3d\]: L12-K15
Prodigious [-\]: l12 k15 actually
Prodigious [-\]: yea
Mukti [3d\]: Not life.
]
;B[er]C[Mukti [3d\]: It's a real ko.
]
;W[dr]
;B[fn]C[Shedal [?\]: ha
Shedal [?\]: K15, rigth
madmason [2d\]: damn
madmason [2d\]: missed that
Shedal [?\]: and this is why I am not officially a 3d
Mukti [3d\]: So did I at first, but when w started the ko I had another look.
Loiro [?\]: l12 k15 m13 ?
ofbusy [-\]: well l12 in a threat that win points anyway no ?
madmason [2d\]: l12 k15 m13 m12 
prius: is there a website with results?
fujiyama [8k\]: b4
Mukti [3d\]: w would prefer to play M14 as endgame. Obusy
lama [2d\]: http://egc2015.cz/results/mainwall
prius: ty
Mukti [3d\]: so he will save those threats for last.
]
;W[kh]
;B[lg]C[Mukti [3d\]: Ah, so no :-)
Mukti [3d\]: What?
gomac: oh?
Shedal [?\]: S6 is a threat, too. Or S11 instead.
Mukti [3d\]: B declines the ko
Shedal [?\]: Ha
gomac: really?
Shedal [?\]: is he winning anyway?
fujiyama [8k\]: can make two eyes shape
profi [2d\]: k15 didn't work
ofbusy [-\]: hm well b is short of points imo
Mukti [3d\]: Why noy, profi?
jtshrt: k15 does work I think
profi [2d\]: k15 m13 
Mukti [3d\]: m12 then
jtshrt: k15 m13 m12
Mukti [3d\]: just one eye
profi [2d\]: no
profi [2d\]: two
Hrewsahgs [1k\]: k15 m13 m12 m14 k13 l13 k14 
Hrewsahgs [1k\]: one eye
Shedal [?\]: yes
Mukti [3d\]: Check again, profi.
YZ1509 [3d\]: if black played l13 white just plays k13 making miai of k15 and m13
jtshrt: definitely just one eye, but white can crawl out, but that probably won't help white
Penfold [2k\]: maybe the sequence threatens an invasion into o13 area
madmason [2d\]: anyway black decided white has to many ko threats and just takes the teritory
Penfold [2k\]: black doesn't want that
gonzo [4d?\]: b figures he has enough by this method
fujiyama [8k\]: black ahead?
Prodigious [-\]: k15 loses points, so b would rather not play it if he doesn't have to
Mukti [3d\]: I agree with b's judgment
Mukti [3d\]: He si winning.
gomac: se...
YZ1509 [3d\]: black aims in making s12 sente and seal his upper right
Penfold [2k\]: black has a weakness around q13
ofbusy [-\]: w has a lot of sente yose...
prius: go artem!!!
gomac: Go artem!!!!
fujiyama [8k\]: w l13 good?
ofbusy [-\]: t13, l2 ,m19 
prius: everybody likes artem
prius: for some reason
gomac: ;)
profi [2d\]: ok, it was one eye, I see) 
fuzhou [4d\]: w can´ t afford to answer
fujiyama [8k\]: yes
fuzhou [4d\]: maybe t 13
snowmen [4d\]: B+r
gomac: should pavol took back the ko or just play l13,which one will be better?
]
;W[rh]
;B[rg]
;W[sh]C[gomac: ah,yes
]
;B[sg]
;W[qi]
;B[ph]C[Mukti [3d\]: W needs to play this endgame to maintain a chance of winning.
Shedal [?\]: I count B+5.5
Mukti [3d\]: L2
Mukti [3d\]: The last huge endgame move.
jtshrt: I count B+4.5
stj1997 [1d\]: b15 works?
Shedal [?\]: no
Mukti [3d\]: No
]
;W[kr]
;B[jr]C[Mukti [3d\]: There we are.
]
;W[lr]C[Shedal [?\]: L13
Shedal [?\]: or...
]
;B[jp]C[stj1997 [1d\]: c16 d16 c17?
ofbusy [-\]: i dont count b ahead...
Mukti [3d\]: B very confident.
Mukti [3d\]: This move was huge.
Mukti [3d\]: W must ahve a chance now?
Shedal [?\]: let's hope Artem considered it all out
jtshrt: in my count I counted bottom side as black yose
jtshrt: as well as right side
GoMaster [2d\]: cant black play the ko , if he plays m13 ? 
fafafdsd: white won
jtshrt: but top is white's
Shedal [?\]: yeah actually now it looks like a 0.5 game
jtshrt: now it looks like white is ahead
fuzhou [4d\]: b still winning
jtshrt: I think black should play L13 for the ko
Shedal [?\]: I predict a 0.5 outcome
Mukti [3d\]: Hmm, b still 5 ahead.
]
;W[lf]
;B[mf]C[YZ1509 [3d\]: it's still decided on the ko
Mukti [3d\]: Sure win for b now., he's thcik everywhere.
gomac: I count b+7.5
fuzhou [4d\]: s 6 biggest
gomac: I'm not really good at counting
Mukti [3d\]: S6 biggest
Shedal [?\]: G5 is big too
]
;W[la]
;B[kg]C[ofbusy [-\]: group is big
Mukti [3d\]: Yes!
Mukti [3d\]: For the ko now.
gomac: ko again :o
Shedal [?\]: wow, I am so excited
fujiyama [8k\]: yes, who win the ko win the game
Mukti [3d\]: And I just can't hide it...
gomac: heavy ko for b
gomac: for w
madmason [2d\]: black just wins either way i'd say
Mukti [3d\]: For black?
gomac: w
Mukti [3d\]: Ah OK :-)
gomac: mistype
Shedal [?\]: I'm about to lose control
ofbusy [-\]: not sure i ever seen a game ending this way...
]
;W[pb]C[stj1997 [1d\]: ?!
gonzo [4d?\]: wow all or nothing gamble
Shedal [?\]: say what...
gomac: um
Shedal [?\]: how does this make any sense?
stj1997 [1d\]: will this gonna work?
ofbusy [-\]: yes it does make sense but not sure it works
fujiyama [8k\]: g5 ?
fuzhou [4d\]: with k19 w lives 
ofbusy [-\]: w o19 connects
gomac: hmm...seems work
profi [2d\]: connects what? o19 p18 p19 r18 ?
Penfold [2k\]: is p18 enough?
Penfold [2k\]: just give white the choice of what dies
gonzo [4d?\]: game finally warming up!:)
gomac: o19 p18 p19 r18 k13 k15 e6
Shedal [?\]: well the corner was dead to begni with
jtshrt: but even if wO19 connects, there's bR18 atari and no eyes?
jtshrt: white life in the corner is irrelevant if J15 group dies
flobby [-\]: i think w will o18
profi [2d\]: g5 
fujiyama [8k\]: yes, i prefer g5 now
]
;B[mb]C[gomac: eh
GoMaster [2d\]: this looks kind of desperate for white 
snowmen [4d\]: g5 is solid
gomac: q16 after ko
fujiyama [8k\]: ko
storn [3k\]: b looks a little ahead. even if loses ko?
ofbusy [-\]: this position is confusing to me
profi [2d\]: e6 r18 ?
Konatus [1d\]: agree with gomaster desperate for white
gomac: actually if b loses ko then will get  sente
storn [3k\]: yes
gomac: white can k13 first
fujiyama [8k\]: g5 or resign ^^
storn [3k\]: g5? for w?
storn [3k\]: )
ofbusy [-\]: e6 you mean
]
;W[ae]C[fujiyama [8k\]: a15 si
eclaireur [3k\]: OUTCH
]
;B[cd]C[Mukti [3d\]: W sitching to trick mode.
Mukti [3d\]: switching*
gomac: no one can guess what they will play next move...
flobby [-\]: w is trying to cheat
]
;W[jg]C[fujiyama [8k\]: c18?
Shedal [?\]: this has nothing to do with cheating
ofbusy [-\]: cheater is back ?
]
;B[go]C[gomac: white
storn [3k\]: w wants to kill corner? or get eye at e17 area in sente?
flobby [-\]: ooo
notevenbad [-\]: what?
flobby [-\]: that was anti climatic
notevenbad [-\]: why not play the ko?
fujiyama [8k\]: game over?
]
;W[gd]
;B[fe]C[storn [3k\]: fuji, k15 nakes eye
]
;W[je]
;B[rc]C[storn [3k\]: but still behind
gomac: oh...
Konatus [1d\]: tthis black is really too peacefull
]
;W[af]C[pastlink [?\]: or he just count
flobby [-\]: and black got gote
]
;B[be]C[Shedal [?\]: as long as he wins, he can be as peaceful as he wants
jtshrt: I am not sure at all if black is winning here
prius: Aaaaartem!
notevenbad [-\]: artem in great shape it seems
storn [3k\]: yeah
tuquedenne [4d\]: do we have the results of Debarre-Dinerstein and Jabarin-Taranu, EGC2015b?
eclaireur [3k\]: s6?
gomac: Is this guy really artem
notevenbad [-\]: first fan now pavol? damn
Shedal [?\]: Top 8 Ukrainian players actually had a "warm-up" tournament just a couple weeks ago, specifically to prepare for the congress
storn [3k\]: and for Fionin, pls)
Mukti [3d\]: It's quite close, w having got two huge endgame moves.
Konatus [1d\]: i prefer watching games with fight
glasszee [3k\]: perhaps b counted threats
EGC2015b [-\]: They are playing
tuquedenne [4d\]: thanks!
tuquedenne [4d\]: will you tell us when those games are over, please?
x0000 [-\]: b+8 I counted
tuquedenne [4d\]: who are the top 8 ukrainian, Shedal?
storn [3k\]: b+8, SE counter the same
storn [3k\]: counted*
fujiyama [8k\]: black win?^
Konatus [1d\]: still: the fight would have be more fun
]
;W[ad]C[gomac: I remembered that about fifteen moves before,,se says B+80.5 ...
]
;B[ac]
;W[ag]
;B[rn]C[jtshrt: or hmm, actually, I do get B+4.5 when counting
fujiyama [8k\]: s6 valuable end game move
Mukti [3d\]: If w gets S6, he may win, so b must take it.
Konatus [1d\]: maybe it's my weakness: i wouldn't have hesitate to launch the ko
patcher [1d\]: wasnt c13 sente for b ?
gomac: i counted B+9.5
ofbusy [-\]: i count w +3
fuzhou [4d\]: c 18?
]
;W[cb]C[storn [3k\]: I don't count at all
storn [3k\]: I am too lazy
gomac: See you,hope that when I come back i can see artem already wins
fujiyama [8k\]: c18 i saw, this work?
eclaireur [3k\]: b18
snowmen [4d\]: SE can't handle the AGA rules, game is close
Prodigious [-\]: this is big
Shedal [?\]: I still think this is a 0.5 game
fuzhou [4d\]: b18 - b 19
eclaireur [3k\]: b18 b19 d18..
fujiyama [8k\]: good for reducing with b18 black move
eclaireur [3k\]: nothing
storn [3k\]: b18 ?
Prodigious [-\]: yeah b18 b19 is no good
fujiyama [8k\]: yes
Prodigious [-\]: but with b18 c17 i think b will have to give up some stones
fuzhou [4d\]: b 18 - c 17 and squeeze
storn [3k\]: oopd
storn [3k\]: danger
fuzhou [4d\]: w has to come back and b a19
Penfold [2k\]: c14 bad for white
eclaireur [3k\]: ah yes not good
fujiyama [8k\]: black alive anyway
flobby [-\]: can you show us how fujiyama
Prodigious [-\]: b18 lives, but costs points
eclaireur [3k\]: c17 b18 and after ?
Prodigious [-\]: doesn't seem like there's anything better though
fujiyama [8k\]: yes cost few points
madmason [2d\]: komi 7.5 when did they do that?
Shedal [?\]: ages ago?
madmason [2d\]: wasnt it 6.5 most of the time?
flobby [-\]: nope
x0000 [-\]: b18 c17 c19 d16 d18 c17 c18 e19 
gogonuts [4d\]: they went from one extreme to the other :-)
Shedal [?\]: EGC2015b, does Artem look concerned/
Beginer: better resign than play b18
Prodigious [-\]: if b gets the last dame it's essentially 6.5 anyway
gucunpyo [4k\]: go artem
]
;B[cc]C[flobby [-\]: i mean with so much time on the clock and him casually letting w live, you'd think he read this all out already
pastlink [?\]: w +0.5 ?
gogonuts [4d\]: ah right so it averages out to the fair komi of 7 :-)
madmason [2d\]: it ain't japanese rules ... damn i missed a lot of stuff it seems
stj1997 [1d\]: e17?
Shedal [?\]: yeah, there's a rule of stone giving, too
EGC2015b [-\]: w byoyomi, b 29 min left
noob1d [5d?\]: shocking that b allowed c18 
Sylvain [8k?\]: This year, they use AGA rules, chine type rules -> usually komi 7.5.
fujiyama [8k\]: thanks Egc 
Sylvain [8k?\]: (chinese)
fuzhou [4d\]: this looks wrong
fuzhou [4d\]: b18
flobby [-\]: this position looks like it should be very simple for a 8d to read
storn [3k\]: EGC, what about artem and pavol behavior?
flobby [-\]: or even a 4d
Shedal [?\]: EGC, how do the players look? 
Faxolema [10k\]: Лысый Павел силён
YZ1509 [3d\]: terribly tired, egc is won in bed
EGC2015b [-\]: pavol is holding his head and he is a little bit nervos
]
;W[bb]
;B[ba]C[noob1d [5d?\]: at best b gets seki
fujiyama [8k\]: yes because artem ca win
fuzhou [4d\]: isnt it a ko
EGC2015b [-\]: artem looks confident
]
;W[qg]C[noob1d [5d?\]: if d19 ,d18 
fujiyama [8k\]: haah
noob1d [5d?\]: time-suji
flobby [-\]: not a18 for w?
EGC2015b [-\]: white lost 2 periods
Shedal [?\]: woah
]
;B[rf]C[Shedal [?\]: so he's on his last 1-minute period?
Faxolema [10k\]: У Лысого мало времени
Beginer: if no reduction in top left, b should win
EGC2015b [-\]: yes
fuzhou [4d\]: c19 is a ko
fujiyama [8k\]: for sure
noob1d [5d?\]: if a18 , e19 I think
snowmen [4d\]: e19 seki
Prodigious [-\]: c19 is quite a distant ko
Faxolema [10k\]: JlbIcbIu
stj1997 [1d\]: y not e17??
slim76 [1k\]: w e19 first
]
;W[ea]C[Prodigious [-\]: this is sente seki, yes
noob1d [5d?\]: is r13 preparing ko threats?
flobby [-\]: slim you are promoted to 8d
herissondu [5d\]: eh?
]
;B[da]C[herissondu [5d\]: seki now?
snowmen [4d\]: black c17 was loosing move
Prodigious [-\]: a18 e17 and seki
fuzhou [4d\]: dead
noob1d [5d?\]: alive
]
;W[ab]C[x0000 [-\]: ko
]
;B[ec]C[tuquedenne [4d\]: :)
chansiukit [1k\]: there is noting to happend
gogonuts [4d\]: no points
tryk123 [1k\]: seki
]
;W[lh]
;B[mg]C[Shedal [?\]: this is just too bad for Artem
noob1d [5d?\]: s6 clearly bad
]
;W[mh]
;B[nh]C[gomac: the game still playing?
]
;W[ma]C[lama [2d\]: why is that? it's points
]
;B[na]C[lama [2d\]: money don't smell either
flobby [-\]: the game is being played
]
;W[js]
;B[is]
;W[ks]
;B[ir]C[flobby [-\]: it isn't playing itself
gomac: I know...
gogonuts [4d\]: ul is seki
Guinness [4d\]: is losing stones with b18 and living with 2 points really better than this seki?
]
;W[fd]C[gomac: e1 for b is sente
gogonuts [4d\]: when libs go b has to play c19
]
;B[ga]C[gomac: seki?
Song17 [5d?\]: c13 3 points in reverse sente?
noob1d [5d?\]: gogonuts is right
noob1d [5d?\]: seems b is dead
Prodigious [-\]: b has to play c19 and it's seki
billl9p: кто выигрывает
noob1d [5d?\]: oh, nvm it's still seki
billl9p: ?
fuzhou [4d\]: but now b cannot give the komi
]
;W[kb]
;B[lb]C[Prodigious [-\]: yeah should be a w win now
Mukti [3d\]: Does w have 4 penalty points?
snowy [1k\]: :0
snowy [1k\]: :(
Prodigious [-\]: these are not ing rules
noob1d [5d?\]: w+10
Shedal [?\]: Artem should still be in the finals, regardless of the outcome of this game, right?
gomac: :( artem lose...
]
;W[ka]C[Mukti [3d\]: How can be in his 3rd time period then?
gogonuts [4d\]: at least 5 for w
snowy [1k\]: no0o0o0o0o0o0o0o
gogonuts [4d\]: b needed those corner points
]
;B[cg]C[Guinness [4d\]: s6 was the goof
]
;W[ch]
;B[cf]
;W[bh]C[noob1d [5d?\]: b was behind anyway
Konatus [1d\]: told you this black is too peacefull
noob1d [5d?\]: w played better endgame
]
;B[lq]C[herissondu [5d\]: w+5
snowy [1k\]: cos w is pro ?
gomac: noōoooooo
]
;W[ms]C[snowy [1k\]: no0o0o0o0o0o0o0o
gomac: I'm very sad
Faxolema [10k\]: http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/
gomac: lol
billl9p: ttp://www.дщд.com/
Konatus [1d\]: he was too coward too fight the ko
billl9p: ttp://www.lol.com/
noob1d [5d?\]: b thinking about resigning
storn [3k\]: facepalm
billl9p: B+res
]
;B[ko]
;W[es]
;B[fs]C[madmason [2d\]: i dont like when people resign where this like only 5 moves left
]
;W[io]
;B[ip]C[Shedal [?\]: 5 moves and a ko
Shedal [?\]: ah, no ko actually
stj1997 [1d\]: b4?
]
;W[el]
;B[so]
;W[sp]C[stj1997 [1d\]: anyone can answer me...
gomac: Anyway,artem can qualify?
madmason [2d\]: b4 b6 a2 b1 
]
;B[ng]C[stj1997 [1d\]: I count black b4 works
patcher [1d\]: no
stj1997 [1d\]: b4 b6 a7
MBQ [1k\]: no
Faxolema [10k\]: w+res) i bet)
stj1997 [1d\]: oh
fujiyama [8k\]: to is a betting game?
]
;W[sk]C[Penfold [2k\]: b1 instead of a2?
bracchi [3k\]: how many rounds are there?
Faxolema [10k\]: no)
MBQ [1k\]: 10 rounds
fujiyama [8k\]: close game
GoMaster [2d\]: its a jigo ? 
GoMaster [2d\]: without komi
gomac: this is the last round before quater finals
Faxolema [10k\]: ji-men)
Prodigious [-\]: b4 only works with some wishful thinking
GoMaster [2d\]: so whites really winning
GoMaster [2d\]: big i mean
bracchi [3k\]: 10 rounds?! wow 
Faxolema [10k\]: hoho
EGC2015b [-\]: W+R
Faxolema [10k\]: yea!
Faxolema [10k\]: i know)
gomac: :(((((
Shedal [?\]: congrats tp Pavol
Faxolema [10k\]: Лысый выиграл)
fujiyama [8k\]: thanks EGC
Shedal [?\]: too bad, Artem had a good chance to wni this
gomac: tommorow quater finals?
Miky [4k\]: thx EGC
fujiyama [8k\]: great Pavol
GoMaster [2d\]: a15 really turning poimt
resusou: thx
gomac: anyone can answer me?
ofbusy [-\]: thx egc
ubique [3d\]: White winning either way, it seems.
lxlx [-\]: thank you for the realy.
gomac: hey...
EGC2015b [-\]: thanks for watching
gomac: thx
tuquedenne [4d\]: thanks EGC! still not any results of the top group unrelayed gobans?
snowmen [4d\]: tommorow quater finals
gomac: thanks!!!!!!!!
liusasori [4d\]: b4 b6 a7 a8 there is nothing b can do after. For instance : b1 a2 a3 b5 b dead or a2 b1 a3 b5 
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