(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[3x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Championship - Quarterfinals, r5 Debarre Thomas (w) vs. Lisy Pavol (b)]PW[Debarre Thomas]PB[Lisy Pavol]WR[6d]BR[1p]DT[2015-07-31]RO[5]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[gogonuts [4d\]: Four great games
gogonuts [4d\]: Too bad we can't see Krämer Wang from the main tournament too
flobby [-\]: which games are the ones that matter?
flobby [-\]: I mean will affect qualification and what not
gogonuts [4d\]: this four games are knockout
gogonuts [4d\]: these
Sylvain [6k?\]: http://egc2015.cz/results/mainquarter
flobby [-\]: so they all matter? thx gogo
]RE[W+2.50]
;B[qd]C[EGC2015a [-\]: hello everyone
G361 [11k\]: ^^
flobby [-\]: first move is very important, better take his time
EGC2015a [-\]: Debarre doesnt come yet
ofbusy [-\]: thats so french of him
EGC2015a [-\]: he arrived to the room
]
;W[dc]
;B[pq]
;W[dp]
;B[oc]
;W[po]
;B[qo]
;W[qn]
;B[qp]
;W[rd]
;B[qc]
;W[pn]
;B[nq]
;W[qj]
;B[qh]
;W[oj]
;B[de]
;W[cg]C[another [1d\]: allez là ! moi j'y crois :)
]
;B[cc]C[mooooo [4k\]: right corners look huge for b
]
;W[cb]C[Bozal [6k\]: a ce stade, on aurait tort de penser autrement...
]
;B[cd]
;W[gc]C[Bozal [6k\]: Thomas nous a déjà surpris plus d'une fois sur ses perf... :D
YZ1509 [4d\]: didn't we see this game already?
]
;B[dg]
;W[dh]
;B[eb]
;W[db]
;B[ec]
;W[ed]
;B[dd]
;W[fc]
;B[fd]
;W[ee]
;B[ff]C[ofbusy [-\]: bore to death your opponent till he snaps an plays a bad move 
]
;W[fb]
;B[ef]
;W[ea]C[Tristero [2d?\]: this joseki isn't great for b in this position?
]
;B[ch]C[Tristero [2d?\]: outside influence is cancelled on lower left ...
]
;W[cf]
;B[di]
;W[eh]
;B[bi]
;W[bh]
;B[ci]
;W[df]C[Tristero [2d?\]: timing? why not E17 first?
HardScore [2d\]: now
]
;B[ec]C[Tristero [2d?\]: hm, ignore?
YZ1509 [4d\]: yes
gonzo [4d?\]: new joseki
dude [?\]: new as of when?
gogonuts [4d\]: cant ignore
HardScore [2d\]: w have to capture
gonzo [4d?\]: saw it in pro games recently
dude [?\]: i think i have a bookabout this even
LuisSousa [3k\]: ignore is to dam big
gonzo [4d?\]: b gets big influence
gogonuts [4d\]: ignoring would make fun of ws cut
HardScore [2d\]: and w twenty points
Tristero [2d?\]: but interesting fight
Tristero [2d?\]: 4 weak groups ...
ofbusy [-\]: taking the outside is logical for b
gonzo [4d?\]: b gives up c16 stones 
YZ1509 [4d\]: ensisting on capturing c16 leads to a very clumpy white shape, so i would rather e13
gonzo [4d?\]: i think f12 is the move for b as well
gonzo [4d?\]: then u have an eyeless w group floating around
]
;W[eb]
;B[fe]C[YZ1509 [4d\]: like this black has some valuable kodate in reserve
]
;W[ec]
;B[fh]
;W[bf]
;B[ah]
;W[be]
;B[bg]
;W[bc]
;B[cn]
;W[fq]C[gogonuts [4d\]: e3???
Lice [4d\]: i would atleast consider e11
Lice [4d\]: and probably pick it
flobby [-\]: e3?!
gogonuts [4d\]: well he had time to brood over it before b played c6
flobby [-\]: is e3 a new tesuji
Lice [4d\]: f3 is a move white doesn't want to play anyway
]
;B[en]C[gogonuts [4d\]: the cavalier way of answering would have been w d6 d7 c7 - but with a little bad luck b could punish that :-)
Jaguire [4k\]: b looks great
gogonuts [4d\]: still, b hurried to play e6 to avoid w overconcentration maneuvers
]
;W[co]
;B[bn]C[YZ1509 [4d\]: B+ 2.5
]
;W[qe]C[YZ1509 [4d\]: all groups so solid, long yose to come
gogonuts [4d\]: there is a positive feeling for b
gogonuts [4d\]: translating that to +2.5 is very precise :-)
]
;B[pe]
;W[qf]
;B[pf]
;W[rc]
;B[qg]
;W[qb]
;B[pb]
;W[rb]
;B[oh]C[ofbusy [-\]: b confident his thickness will make the difference
]
;W[kd]C[noob1d [5d?\]: is h3 good?
HardScore [2d\]: i feel like j3 was big too for w yeah
HardScore [2d\]: h3 seems good now
ofbusy [-\]: is c3 directly a possibility?
noob1d [5d?\]: b needs to use his thickness somehow
ofbusy [-\]: l16 seems a good anti thickness move to me
fuzhou [4d\]: nasty aji at q16
ofbusy [-\]: w will try to threaten to move e11 somehow
noob1d [5d?\]: q16 doesn't work because of net
HardScore [2d\]: w right side is not completly secure too
noob1d [5d?\]: q16 q17 p16 o16 p15 o14 p14 q13 
]
;B[ql]C[fuzhou [4d\]: truetrue
noob1d [5d?\]: I thought about r8 
noob1d [5d?\]: b is trying to use his thickness
Kryptos: why wouldnt b p14 instead of o14
noob1d [5d?\]: because net > ladder
noob1d [5d?\]: avoids ladder breaker
]
;W[pp]
;B[qq]C[sada3P: w q8 b s8 good
noob1d [5d?\]: q8 r9 first
noob1d [5d?\]: q8 r9 q10 then s8 
sada3P: q8 r9 bad exchange
sada3P: s12 sente
]
;W[pl]
;B[qk]C[noob1d [5d?\]: :-p
sada3P: oh
ofbusy [-\]: q10 not working here ?
ofbusy [-\]: oh ok i see
ofbusy [-\]: q10 s8 
fuzhou [4d\]: what about s10?
sada3P: i think q 10 s10
noob1d [5d?\]: s10 q9 doesn't work for w
noob1d [5d?\]: we will probably see q10 s8 as i said
sada3P: or q10 s12
]
;W[rj]C[noob1d [5d?\]: that was actually a good idea
noob1d [5d?\]: even s14 s15 s12 
]
;B[pk]
;W[ok]C[noob1d [5d?\]: s10 overplay I think
fuzhou [4d\]: q10 and then exchange s7 for s6 to destroy the shape
sada3P: w bad
fuzhou [4d\]: meaning avoid the squeeze
]
;B[ol]
;W[nl]
;B[pm]C[ofbusy [-\]: that doesnt look good
]
;W[om]C[BlackSmurf [1k?\]: C'est toi qu'a pas l'air bien...
ofbusy [-\]: garde ton calme garcon
bolbi [-\]: on va rester tranquile, merci
bolbi [-\]: +l
]
;B[pj]
;W[pi]C[ghaele [3d?\]: its ko? look bad for b
liusasori [3d\]: b can avoid the ko but then w squeeze
liusasori [3d\]: r11 r7 p11 s8 
liusasori [3d\]: q8 ponnuki would be too god for w
fuzhou [4d\]: simply p11
]
;B[qm]C[liusasori [3d\]: p11 r7 fuzhou
liusasori [3d\]: and it's the same squeeze
fuzhou [4d\]: no s9
gogonuts [4d\]: r7 - raising the spanking cane
liusasori [3d\]: but then after s9 w take q8 and force b to capture q11 and can connect underneath
Rayoz [6d\]: just s7
gogonuts [4d\]: yes
gogonuts [4d\]: w must keep the ko prohibitive
]
;W[rm]C[liusasori [3d\]: look like b overplayed here
gogonuts [4d\]: b r11 is ok
]
;B[on]
;W[pl]
;B[rn]C[liusasori [3d\]: Oo
liusasori [3d\]: b ready to tenuki any threat ?
liusasori [3d\]: winning p8 ko would be very big
iphone4 [3d\]: white has no kothreat
sada3P: big ko
sada3P: no big ko threats
liusasori [3d\]: e13 followed by f13 or q16 followed by p16 ?
liusasori [3d\]: anyway b will tenuki
oned [1d\]: f13 is big enoug
slim76 [1k\]: s5
liusasori [3d\]: f13 is big but those b stones not important if w is strong both on top and bottom
sada3P: s5 p8 o7 p4 t6 p5 s6 r11 
sada3P: b wplan
daniug [2d\]: s5
gogonuts [4d\]: didnt expect ko to be effective after w s7
gogonuts [4d\]: b is a brute :-)
]
;W[nn]
;B[rl]
;W[oi]
;B[qi]C[liusasori [3d\]: p5 and start crazyness or more calm move ?
liusasori [3d\]: b want the safe as he is ahead
gogonuts [4d\]: p5 is a not so big and b waking sleeping dogs
GoRoGoRo [12k?\]: calm, threatening crazyness
ghaele [3d?\]: why w give all this sone and dont fight the ko?
liusasori [3d\]: yes now p6 has some bad potential for later
liusasori [3d\]: and b a lot of points
Guyome [2d\]: w looking towards e11 to use his influence?
gogonuts [4d\]: the ko was too atomic
]
;W[pd]C[gogonuts [4d\]: s8 p8 q16 o7 p16 not good enough
]
;B[pc]C[noob1d [5d?\]: cut doesn't work
]
;W[pg]C[noob1d [5d?\]: o15 i guess
]
;B[ph]C[gogonuts [4d\]: my guess is q12
noob1d [5d?\]: wow
]
;W[od]C[gogonuts [4d\]: let w muck around a little
noob1d [5d?\]: I don't like this for b
]
;B[nd]
;W[oe]
;B[of]
;W[ne]C[gogonuts [4d\]: couldnt let w q12 become sente
]
;B[md]C[fuzhou [4d\]: easy and convincing
noob1d [5d?\]: o14 
noob1d [5d?\]: or just m15 
gonzo [4d?\]: end comin fast
]
;W[nf]C[noob1d [5d?\]: w's corner not yet alive
]
;B[og]
;W[le]C[noob1d [5d?\]: hmm, it is alive
gogonuts [4d\]: it is, imo
noob1d [5d?\]: yes, not even ko works
noob1d [5d?\]: l17 ?
gogonuts [4d\]: y, expected
gogonuts [4d\]: hm
gogonuts [4d\]: o18 safer :-)
Trucmuch [3d\]: b seems leading
fuzhou [4d\]: l17 - m17
]
;B[lb]C[noob1d [5d?\]: nice
noob1d [5d?\]: was hard to imagine pavol playing o18 :)
gogonuts [4d\]: true
gogonuts [4d\]: m18 is shapier:-)
gogonuts [4d\]: and cant be asked questions like L17 would be subjected to
gogonuts [4d\]: so what happens now?
gogonuts [4d\]: w o18?
PlaySlow [10k\]: The winner of this tournament becomes 2015 Europe Champion?
gogonuts [4d\]: thats right
gogonuts [4d\]: one of these 8 players
Kryptos: w m17
noob1d [5d?\]: o18 o17 n18 l17 
noob1d [5d?\]: doubt w is strong enough to kill
wade [5d\]: o18 ?
wade [5d\]: mabye gets sente (or cut)
noob1d [5d?\]: imo w should let b live small in gote and play j3 
wade [5d\]: e11 might be good for w
wade [5d\]: if b gets a wall 
wade [5d\]: if w*
]
;W[lc]C[noob1d [5d?\]: surprising move
]
;B[mc]
;W[nb]C[slim76 [1k\]: o18 now
slim76 [1k\]: too slow :(
Kryptos: yeah w playwd m17
]
;B[mb]
;W[jc]C[liusasori [3d\]: now b can aim at n15 ?
liusasori [3d\]: but with k17 w prepare the e11 cut
Trucmuch [3d\]: o18 hurts :x
ghaele [3d?\]: i likehow w try to manage it
ghaele [3d?\]: e11 will be hard
]
;B[me]
;W[mf]
;B[lf]
;W[mg]
;B[kf]C[Apocryphe [1d\]: white can get sente to play e11 ?
]
;W[kb]C[Etherion [1k\]: n18 dead?
Grunman [8k\]: now b has to capture n13
Etherion [1k\]: hmm, to capture, m12?
Grunman [8k\]: m12 n 12, seems doesn't work
snowmen [4d\]: Black m19 looks like ko
xerox27 [3k\]: m18
noob1d [5d?\]: b overplayed
noob1d [5d?\]: m12 ?
liusasori [3d\]: b should l18 instead of cut at n15
gonzo [4d?\]: ouch!  
liusasori [3d\]: maybe o11 now and p8 after ?
Siskas: white is destroyed
]
;B[na]C[liusasori [3d\]: or l15 m16 m12 n12 n11 m13 ? 
gonzo [4d?\]: b goin for a ko in the corner
liusasori [3d\]: m19 then m16 will be sente if b try to attack n14
liusasori [3d\]: but with m19 there is no ko
fuzhou [4d\]: with m19 b can play l15-k16-j17
liusasori [3d\]: or ko at l17
]
;W[oa]C[Vainn6768: P19 totally unnecessary
liusasori [3d\]: now its ko for life and b seems to have some threat
Kryptos: what ko?
]
;B[lh]C[Krikri [1k\]: wasnt m19 enough
stj1997 [1d\]: black would like to bulid a moyo
daniug [2d\]: b dead?
iphone4 [3d\]: at high level, they want always to complexify the situation with ko, to amaze the observers
]
;W[mh]
;B[mi]C[iphone4 [3d\]: M19 would be to simple
ghaele [3d?\]: m11 here
]
;W[lg]
;B[kg]
;W[li]
;B[kh]
;W[ni]
;B[mj]C[liusasori [3d\]: m19 is ko (double step)
fujiyama [8k\]: white dead now
]
;W[nh]C[Vainn6768: totally wrecked
ghaele [3d?\]: s11 w after?
stj1997 [1d\]: p8
stj1997 [1d\]: ?
fujiyama [8k\]: yes
liusasori [3d\]: p8 for free here
liusasori [3d\]: s11 s12 w 3 liberties b 4
Kryptos: why didn't w play atari from n10?
Kryptos: oh nvm isee
noob1d [5d?\]: m19 
liusasori [3d\]: maybe p8 not so good here : p8 n9 o7 m10 ?
]
;B[mk]C[Etherion [1k\]: shouldn't have black kept the alst few moves as ko threats?
Kryptos: w p5?
Vainn6768: N19
noob1d [5d?\]: p5 could be good
liusasori [3d\]: is Lisy inspirated by Ilja yesterday's game ?
fujiyama [8k\]: m19 for life
noob1d [5d?\]: since b is threatening p8 
fekand6 [1k\]: L10 ?
fujiyama [8k\]: p8 good move
]
;W[oo]C[noob1d [5d?\]: imo b should m19 
noob1d [5d?\]: maybe h3 
]
;B[la]C[noob1d [5d?\]: or c3 , prepare some threats first
rija [1d\]: let's ko
Vainn6768: lol
noob1d [5d?\]: game still looks promising for b
noob1d [5d?\]: note b has many local threats
noob1d [5d?\]: starting with l15 
Kryptos: w can fix something before fighting the ko
fujiyama [8k\]: so M19 good
]
;W[ma]C[Kryptos: or play big point j3
]
;B[rg]
;W[se]
;B[na]C[noob1d [5d?\]: t7 ?
]
;W[sk]C[Siskas: no ko
]
;B[sm]
;W[ma]C[fujiyama [8k\]: thomas want to kill this group or new threat?
liusasori [3d\]: new threat
ghaele [3d?\]: go thomas!!!
]
;B[lm]C[fujiyama [8k\]: impressive lisy
rija [1d\]: lisy is so strong
Apocryphe [1d\]: black's center will be huge, no matter the result of the ko
]
;W[pa]C[noob1d [5d?\]: m7 lol...
noob1d [5d?\]: what was that
snowmen [4d\]: I think, white is still in the game
rija [1d\]: now W have to reduce B moyo...
Syxok [2d\]: b needs to make around 50 pts with his moyo?
Apocryphe [1d\]: 50 points for white at the top
fujiyama [8k\]: s14 black ?
Apocryphe [1d\]: and 30 for black on the right
Apocryphe [1d\]: maybe taking sansan is enough ?
ram1 [2k\]: G4 like a boss
]
;B[go]C[Kryptos: b needs center tobe bout 40 depending on how much bottom he gets
fujiyama [8k\]: yes g5
fekand6 [1k\]: J6
Kryptos: w k6
fujiyama [8k\]: big pavol center moyo now
Katchumo [4k\]: how much time they got left?
ptitlou [2d\]: K7
FryMe [3k\]: this is tough for white
]
;W[jo]C[snowmen [4d\]: k5 is worth more than 30 points according to SE
]
;B[jm]
;W[in]C[Kryptos: b g3
noob1d [5d?\]: h7 
Partyboy [2d\]: g3
fujiyama [8k\]: if B g3 white h7 in black moyo
snowmen [4d\]: no way to stop j6 intruder
Kryptos: b g3 h7 l4 fight
]
;B[gm]
;W[im]
;B[il]C[fujiyama [8k\]: now stopped
Kryptos: h8
snowmen [4d\]: white still catch k7 stone
fujiyama [8k\]: white h4
Kryptos: h4 m5 miai
snowmen [4d\]: h4 bigger than m5
fujiyama [8k\]: but K8 thomas can be a surprising move also
sada3P: k8 is proper style
gofrit [?\]: est-ce que le tableau de tirage peut donner Fan vs Thomas en demi-final ? :(
zudko [3k\]: http://egc2015.cz/results/main/playoffs
bolbi [-\]: sans doute
]
;W[jl]
;B[hl]C[zudko [3k\]: c'est deja le cas
fujiyama [8k\]: je ne sais pas quelles sont les autres résultats dans le top group ?
Holub [1d\]: black´s position look pretty good...
]
;W[km]C[gofrit [?\]: arg, thx
fujiyama [8k\]: thomas choose this surprising move ^^
zudko [3k\]: de rien :)
]
;B[jk]
;W[eg]
;B[ei]
;W[hp]C[ghaele [3d?\]: big
]
;B[ol]C[r0n1n [2k\]: ?
r0n1n [2k\]: oh, yeah i qzz
r0n1n [2k\]: see*
Kryptos: m3
gonzo [4d?\]: goin for the kill?
iphone4 [3d\]: p17 dead
]
;W[nk]
;B[mm]
;W[nm]C[gonzo [4d?\]: asleep 
]
;B[rf]
;W[re]C[fujiyama [8k\]: black pavol O5 ?
ghaele [3d?\]: l3
Kryptos: l15
]
;B[ep]C[ubique [3d\]: A bit late for that, Kryptos.
]
;W[eq]
;B[cq]C[Kryptos: its to sea' the top in sente
Kryptos: seal
ubique [3d\]: Oh, OK.
fujiyama [8k\]: C5 sansan a lot of points
]
;W[dq]
;B[bp]
;W[cr]
;B[br]
;W[cp]
;B[bq]
;W[bo]
;B[dr]
;W[er]
;B[cs]C[Kryptos: w l8
madmason [2d\]: m3 seems big or maybe n2?
Schachus12 [6k\]: who's winning?
FryMe [3k\]: black is
]
;W[jn]C[ghaele [3d?\]: b seems leed
Schachus12 [6k\]: I hope Pavol wins, cause going out after 4:0 in prelim would be rough
Lyoug [2k\]: yep, I'm couting b~92 points, w~83,5
vaansama [2d?\]: ya un a ghaele
EGC2015a [-\]: b 44min w 20min
ghaele [3d?\]: merci vaan
vaansama [2d?\]: tiens salut ugo
fujiyama [8k\]: k3 black now?
ghaele [3d?\]: no
Kryptos: l3 safer
PlaySlow [10k\]: K3 would get killed imo
]
;B[kk]C[Kryptos: but l9 somewhere near looks urgent
Apocryphe [1d\]: A6 first for white ?
vaansama [2d?\]: gote
Weishenme [4d\]: m3 or a6 first ?
Trucmuch [3d\]: M3
Apocryphe [1d\]: how's that gote ?
PlaySlow [10k\]: Why is a6 that significant? M3 is obvious but didnt get a6?
Trucmuch [3d\]: A6 is small
Trucmuch [3d\]: B5 was a mistake
Warfreak2 [-\]: cheat, cheat, cheat some more
sashas2004 [15k\]: привет ктото руский есть
Shedal [?\]: нет
ghaele [3d?\]: m3 is the bigest but i feel if w play just m3 he cant win
fujiyama [8k\]: m3 makes points 
ghaele [3d?\]: yes but not suficient
ptitlou [2d\]: i don't think w can turn tables now...
Warfreak2 [-\]: i heard that if you move around the room, the mona lisy's eyes follow you
noob1d [5d?\]: n2 
Warfreak2 [-\]: and he has an enigmatic smile
noob1d [5d?\]: pretty sure it's a she
sashas2004 [15k\]: привет ктото руский есть
Mukti [3d\]: Mona lisy Noob1d, not Lisa.
Holub [1d\]: but its Sona Lisy :D ...
noob1d [5d?\]: b5 very bad
Lyoug [2k\]: Was he painted by Leonardo Da Weiqi?
Trucmuch [3d\]: :)
ptitlou [2d\]: w will resign now ?
noob1d [5d?\]: no, it's close
noob1d [5d?\]: n2 and w might win
ptitlou [2d\]: n3 no ?
]
;W[je]C[noob1d [5d?\]: or even m3 
Holub [1d\]: sooo..l3 bigger for b now ?
Trucmuch [3d\]: L3 ?
shayn [1d\]: l3 is big
noob1d [5d?\]: k3 !
ThiGar [4k\]: K15 aims at F15 or at L13?
Holub [1d\]: k3 too far no ?
]
;B[gp]C[noob1d [5d?\]: but you have to slam k3 hard, so the opponent is scared
Holub [1d\]: lol
Holub [1d\]: that works on opponents with two digits kyu :)
Trucmuch [3d\]: K15 is big.. but seems smaller than M3..
]
;W[gq]C[Trucmuch [3d\]: w yose seems strange :x
ghaele [3d?\]: smaller but much sente
dxxd [-\]: w yose seems like he knows he's behind
Trucmuch [3d\]: yeah
]
;B[kq]C[ghaele [3d?\]: yes he havent the choice
Holub [1d\]: such sente much move wow
gruenwald [2d\]: K15 remover q19 ko
Miky [4k\]: b+r now
Trucmuch [3d\]: but L3 is sente too.
fujiyama [8k\]: white not quite alive in this side
]
;W[jr]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: no, LeonarGo da Vinci.
ubique [3d\]: H13 looking nice for white.
fujiyama [8k\]: yes
]
;B[if]C[wade [5d\]: well played by lisy got all big pts
ptitlou [2d\]: n3 and crosscut ?
rija [1d\]: looks like pavol have everything he want...
wade [5d\]: n3 o2 
]
;W[dn]
;B[dm]
;W[an]
;B[am]
;W[ao]C[Champetre [3k\]: go go go thomas !
]
;B[cm]C[Trucmuch [3d\]: M3 ?
chappy [3k\]: yes m3
noob1d [5d?\]: n3 
fujiyama [8k\]: close game
hypnotics [8k?\]: score est says B+20
fujiyama [8k\]: for me scoring smaller
ponnolone [8k?\]: se not working prperly with aga
gogonuts [4d\]: only ask se with japanese rules
gogonuts [4d\]: even then its not great :-)
fujiyama [8k\]: blakc dead in the right corner you must add
ponnolone [8k?\]: yep
gogonuts [4d\]: but with other rules, it's worthless
Mukti [3d\]: B+15 on the board, so about 6-7 ahead by my count.
wade [5d\]: its alot closer probably b+4ish
vaurien [2k?\]: b+4 agreed
vaurien [2k?\]: but really depends on the yose
fujiyama [8k\]: yes we cannont said   B+2 or W +2
Holub [1d\]: i dont see b making mistake in yose
Mukti [3d\]: M3 looks interesting. W needs to get that bit extra.
fujiyama [8k\]:  a pro don't make mistakes ^^
vaurien [2k?\]: even pro do mistakes ;)
gofrit [1k\]: he make it 
]
;W[lq]C[catass [-\]: so how do they lose games?
gofrit [1k\]: even 9p
vaurien [2k?\]: pros* do
fujiyama [8k\]: no mistakes but miscalculated
noob1d [5d?\]: pros make mistakes all the time
noob1d [5d?\]: just read a pro game review
r0n1n [2k\]: and we make even more obvious mistakes
fujiyama [8k\]: ok at my kyu level always mistakes
gofrit [1k\]: mistakes :) yes : search "self atari master" on youtube
fujiyama [8k\]: lol
noob1d [5d?\]: almost all pro moves are mistakes too
noob1d [5d?\]: no one plays the hand of god yet
]
;B[nc]
;W[ob]C[fujiyama [8k\]: fithting lisy
r0n1n [2k\]: plot twist
r0n1n [2k\]: it was never dead
gofrit [1k\]: looking for ko ?
noob1d [5d?\]: if w had m16 , b would o19 
Kryptos: timesuji?
fujiyama [8k\]: m16 double atari he saw that
]
;B[lp]C[hypnotics [8k?\]: i thought k15 saved ko?
EGC2015a [-\]: w 7min b 32min
Apocryphe [1d\]: just for semedori ?
vaurien [2k?\]: apparently
Tristero [2d?\]: ffff, close game
]
;W[kr]C[hypnotics [8k?\]: ah endgame technique
vaurien [2k?\]: m2 ?!
fujiyama [8k\]: now lisy win this game?
r0n1n [2k\]: playing the ladder would be amazing
Weishenme [4d\]: m2 n3 n2 n4 n5 o4 o5 p4 p3 p6 m5 l4 
Weishenme [4d\]: and sente for b
vaurien [2k?\]: yep ;)
r0n1n [2k\]: that's quite what i was thinking about
vaurien [2k?\]: m2 o4 ?
fujiyama [8k\]: lisy O5 strong move now ?
Warfreak2 [-\]: lisy, lisy, tell me your answer do. i'm half greasy, all for the love of you
r0n1n [2k\]: *claps claps*
vaansama [2d?\]: dont forget the beatbox
fujiyama [8k\]: yeah
Warfreak2 [-\]: boom tick boom tick
r0n1n [2k\]: what's the number of V/L or Pavol?
]
;B[mq]
;W[lr]
;B[kp]C[chrayma [7k\]: w P2 works ?
Schachus12 [6k\]: why didnt he play that ladder variation?
Schachus12 [6k\]: that seemed good...
gofrit [1k\]: seems Ilya win by komi
Mukti [3d\]: By komi? he seems 15 ahead to me...
r0n1n [2k\]: seems like this one saves more apparently
Kryptos: p2
gofrit [1k\]: P2 seems risky
wade [5d\]: p2 is gote so not that big
]
;W[mo]C[gofrit [1k\]: dinerstein made a self destructing move
]
;B[lo]C[gofrit [1k\]: Ilya win by resign
mdm [4k\]: well, he would have won anyways
vaurien [2k?\]: smthg sick o_o
pastlink [?\]: guy you are not the only one who can open two windows at the same time
]
;W[ie]
;B[hf]C[EGC2015a [-\]: white in boyomi
fujiyama [8k\]: thanks egc and how many time for black ?
EGC2015a [-\]: ěčmin
EGC2015a [-\]: 24min
fujiyama [8k\]: ok
]
;W[ns]
;B[ip]
;W[jp]
;B[ho]
;W[jq]
;B[hq]
;W[hr]
;B[or]
;W[es]
;B[ds]
;W[he]
;B[fg]
;W[dg]C[gucunpyo [4k\]: does anybody know Shikshin-Dinnerstein match result?
Cool [1k\]: +40
Muttley [3k\]: Shikshin won by resignation
gucunpyo [4k\]: wow.. thanks
]
;B[mr]
;W[ms]
;B[iq]
;W[ir]C[vaurien [2k?\]: so cloooose this game >.<
Mukti [3d\]: SE funny, going berserk again.
]
;B[np]
;W[sf]
;B[sg]
;W[io]
;B[hp]C[Muttley [3k\]: you can see score est's point
]
;W[eo]C[Muttley [3k\]: play g1, throw in at m1 ... dead
fujiyama [8k\]: thomas make a knock out end game
Mukti [3d\]: This is very big, w looks like winning now.
wade [5d\]: w+ 1-2 pts
Muttley [3k\]: rule set AGA with 7.5 komi?
EGC2015a [-\]: yes
Muttley [3k\]: Thank you
madmason [2d\]: what's the difference between aga and japanese rules?
Muttley [3k\]: in that case ...
]
;B[fn]C[ThiGar [4k\]: aga based on chinese rules
]
;W[jf]
;B[jg]
;W[fp]C[fujiyama [8k\]: chinese rules you must fill all intersections
Mitty [1k\]: aga also need dames
]
;B[no]C[Dupaaxe [?\]: area scoring ?
]
;W[mn]
;B[ln]C[Laman [2k\]: AGA unites territory and area scoring. see senseis
wade [5d\]: pavol seems nervous
]
;W[kl]C[gucunpyo [4k\]: is area scoring different from territory?
Sylvain [6k?\]: basically yes, aga is area scoring
]
;B[do]C[vaurien [2k?\]: looks ok for white now =)
]
;W[ap]C[ThiGar [4k\]: area is territory + territory borders
pank [3d\]: is there a stream?
gucunpyo [4k\]: so they count stones too..
gofrit [1k\]: in final all rules gives same different result but there are many strange cases in corner or ko... japan and chinese don't have superko
wade [5d\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NTEXBmKa9I
agony [5k\]: sadly, eurogotv is no longer in business
Thumb [3d\]: s11 seems pretty large
ThiGar [4k\]: really?? what happened to eurogotv?
agony [5k\]: oh, cool!
Schachus12 [6k\]: why did he take that ko? is that more than half a point? Does he still hope to attack w bottom?
agony [5k\]: eurogotv was too much work, not enough money
Dupaaxe [?\]: Is chinesse rules 99.9% :)
vaansama [2d?\]: smthg
Sylvain [6k?\]: AGA rules use superko.
mooooo [4k\]: b+3,5?
wade [5d\]: if w f5 the ko is bigge
wade [5d\]: if b ***
vaurien [2k?\]: s11 ?? nothing i believe
]
;B[fo]C[wade [5d\]: s11 s9 
]
;W[aq]
;B[ar]C[Thumb [3d\]: yes, but 2 points sente ?
]
;W[ll]C[vaurien [2k?\]: nop
vaurien [2k?\]: 1
vaurien [2k?\]: maybe
Thumb [3d\]: ah, 1 point 
]
;B[ml]
;W[ld]C[gofrit [1k\]: gonna be a freaking semeai
Mukti [3d\]: S11-S9 - I don't see anyhthing there.
Schachus12 [6k\]: still, also with f5, I dont get why taking the ko was big enough
vaurien [2k?\]: same if you do o13 at the beginnig, not playing s11
]
;B[na]
;W[qa]C[gofrit [1k\]: with w F5 white can play H7 sente
]
;B[ep]
;W[af]C[Holub [1d\]: how is this big enough ? o.O ...
Holub [1d\]: i mean the ko
fujiyama [8k\]: p4
gofrit [1k\]: probably he think about a very close game
Schachus12 [6k\]: there must be something in the bottom I dont see
Schachus12 [6k\]: which makes pavol make all those moves there
rkdmf [3k\]: you don't, but SE does
vaurien [2k?\]: x)
Schachus12 [6k\]: :D
]
;B[eo]
;W[ag]C[Weishenme [4d\]: p1 first
Schachus12 [6k\]: but there is also still l6...
noob1d [5d?\]: p4 
Holub [1d\]: g16 ?
]
;B[bh]
;W[ge]
;B[gf]C[vaurien [2k?\]: all those moves for white...
]
;W[os]C[daniug [2d\]: m9, p1 sentes
gucunpyo [4k\]: w+2,5
]
;B[ps]
;W[lk]
;B[lj]C[Weishenme [4d\]: after O13 is filled, B does not need to add
]
;W[kn]
;B[gd]
;W[hd]
;B[op]
;W[on]C[Thumb [3d\]: indeed, I was wrong
herissondu [5d\]: w+1.5
noob1d [5d?\]: b will need to defend s11 
]
;B[hn]C[Weishenme [4d\]: 加油 Thomas !
]
;W[ka]C[Thumb [3d\]: herisson, it's not a possible score with 7.5 komi
Deodred [3d\]: wait? n4 point?
vaurien [2k?\]: yes it is
Mukti [3d\]: Actually, KI think b does have to add a move.
vaurien [2k?\]: 0.5 is not
Mitty [1k\]: Weishe is talented language mid master
noob1d [5d?\]: w missed n4 
fj [6d\]: B needs to add, yes - B will have no answer to  W S11?
Mukti [3d\]: S11-S9-T10 when all libs are filled that would make a ko.
daniug [2d\]: me ari me nashi
daniug [2d\]: ?
pastlink [?\]: 0.5 point game
herissondu [5d\]: ah, then w+0.5 with a passing stone?
Thumb [3d\]: yes
ptitlou [2d\]: w did'nt miss n4, wcan't play n4 before l19
Weishenme [4d\]: jaj de izgulok....
Hellbaby [11k\]: game over¿
vaurien [2k?\]: hmm ok sry Thumbs*
fujiyama [8k\]: N4  O10  O13 to fill now
Deodred [3d\]: there is no passing stone in EGF rules right??
herissondu [5d\]: that's AGA rules
noob1d [5d?\]: i believe they are playing by aga rules
fujiyama [8k\]: yes aga rules
pastlink [?\]: n4 is one point and ko for the game ?
gofrit [1k\]: they must take the french rule in europe..; it's the best way
fujiyama [8k\]: n4 the big point now
noob1d [5d?\]: w missed n4 ?? strange
Champetre [3k\]: byo yomi style
bolbi [-\]: french rules are very close to AGA rules
herissondu [5d\]: w couldn't play n4 or it's a ko for his big goup is dead
herissondu [5d\]: ola
noob1d [5d?\]: if w had n4 , b would atari, maybe w afraid
vaurien [2k?\]: n4 if you are sure to have the ko
herissondu [5d\]: big dead group
gofrit [1k\]: AGA is american and we are in europe don't you think is a shame ?
Weishenme [4d\]: tricky because
noob1d [5d?\]: not even ko
Weishenme [4d\]: after b connects at Q8
noob1d [5d?\]: b def needs s11 
fujiyama [8k\]: o2 sente
Weishenme [4d\]: if w s11 , b T12
Weishenme [4d\]: but w has t8
Deodred [3d\]: Did they count egc?
Weishenme [4d\]: q8 s11 t12 t8 
Weishenme [4d\]: so I am wondering if b needs to add
Trucmuch [3d\]: with S11
Trucmuch [3d\]: w gain some points ?
pastlink [?\]: seems pavol is counting and re-counting
vaurien [2k?\]: nop Truchmuc
vaurien [2k?\]: h
letoII [5k\]: looks like a white win
Mukti [3d\]: S11-T12-S8 b dies.
gofrit [1k\]: he has lot of time yes ?
Champetre [3k\]: result?
EGC2015a [-\]: still playing
Schachus12 [6k\]: Its not over yet is it?
]
;B[mp]C[Guyome [2d\]: can someone tell me the result of the Shikshin-Dinerstein game?
Mukti [3d\]: Counting now whether to add or not probably.
vaurien [2k?\]: s11 s9 t12 t10 
mdm [4k\]: ilja won
liusasori [3d\]: ilja + res
Champetre [3k\]: shikshik win
Guyome [2d\]: thanks
]
;W[pl]C[Champetre [3k\]: won*
Mukti [3d\]: B must, I think but if it will lose by 0,5 he might omit and gamble.
gofrit [1k\]: and s11 coming
Secil [?\]: ilya +30 points:)
]
;B[ls]
;W[ks]
;B[ol]
;W[bs]
;B[as]C[liusasori [3d\]: more than this he was winning by 12 points but dinnersteins lost a 50 points groups in the end
]
;W[pl]
;B[nr]
;W[ls]
;B[ol]
;W[pr]
;B[qr]
;W[pl]C[herissondu [5d\]: b can't win that ko
Warfreak2 [-\]: watch him
]
;B[nj]C[mdm [4k\]: dinerstein self-destructed. but ilja would have won anyways
]
;W[ma]C[Guyome [2d\]: ok, thx
]
;B[ol]C[Cool [1k\]: wow
noob1d [5d?\]: s11 
]
;W[qs]
;B[rs]C[Cool [1k\]: w win??
]
;W[pl]C[sagesse [-\]: black has to play s11 ? right?
noob1d [5d?\]: yes
Warfreak2 [-\]: no
vaurien [2k?\]: s11 s9 
liusasori [3d\]: no
]
;B[gr]C[noob1d [5d?\]: actually yes
]
;W[gs]
;B[ol]C[vaurien [2k?\]: no
Warfreak2 [-\]: s11 s9 
]
;W[ri]C[Weishenme [4d\]: good !
vaurien [2k?\]: t10 
Mukti [3d\]: Then T10
vaurien [2k?\]: ?
Mukti [3d\]: Already explained earlier
Warfreak2 [-\]: ahhh
Weishenme [4d\]: b cannot connect
stj1997 [1d\]: t12
noob1d [5d?\]: b couldn't win this ko
wade [5d\]: s9 t10 s12 ?
Trucmuch [3d\]: if T10 w S9
Mukti [3d\]: w must play this while he still has threats, though.
]
;B[rk]
;W[pl]
;B[fr]
;W[fs]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: w still has two at b7
]
;B[ol]C[vaurien [2k?\]: s12 t8 wade
noob1d [5d?\]: b has 2 at b16 
vaurien [2k?\]: (-after taking the ko
vaansama [2d?\]: in aga dame is a threat ?:)
vaurien [2k?\]: )
]
;W[sj]C[noob1d [5d?\]: good w~
wade [5d\]: t10 s12 t8 is self atari
Weishenme [4d\]: w nasty
vaurien [2k?\]: nop
]
;B[rh]C[vaurien [2k?\]: aaaa s12, not t12 ^^'
vaurien [2k?\]: sry
noob1d [5d?\]: b will need to play inside again
Warfreak2 [-\]: w has o13 and t6 threats
noob1d [5d?\]: to avoid ko
]
;W[pl]C[daniug [2d\]: b needs one more move at t8 so -1pt
Mukti [3d\]: But w will have no morea threats.
vaurien [2k?\]: great =)
Warfreak2 [-\]: w has b8
Holub [1d\]: b16 ?
Mukti [3d\]: w has 2 and b also has 2 threats.
maciek [2d\]: b b16
Weishenme [4d\]: b8 not ok
notevenbad [-\]: is b7 better than b8 ?
vaurien [2k?\]: b7 
Weishenme [4d\]: b7 better
liusasori [3d\]: so debarre win
wefawfsadf: white wins even without this ko
vaurien [2k?\]: not b8
vaansama [2d?\]: b7
Warfreak2 [-\]: yes, b7, misclick
notevenbad [-\]: ok
noob1d [5d?\]: debarre won for sure
]
;B[hm]C[ThiGar [4k\]: w+17.5
noob1d [5d?\]: no
Schachus12 [6k\]: it looked like b would win earlier...
vaansama [2d?\]: lul
Secil [?\]: Ali won with a beautiful comebaack after losing a huge group at bottom left!
vaurien [2k?\]: ooh, nice :)
patcher [1d\]: actually, it was more an exchange than a loss
Secil [?\]: Artem was so much ahead, Ali won with +2.5
Trucmuch [3d\]: artem was careless
Secil [?\]: True patcher
noob1d [5d?\]: poor artem
]
;W[ng]C[Deodred [3d\]: in aga rules, a dame is worth more than a ko right?
]
;B[ol]C[Holub [1d\]: o.O
vaansama [2d?\]: its 1 point
notevenbad [-\]: what?!
vaurien [2k?\]: normal ;)
noob1d [5d?\]: t12 
wefawfsadf: lols
]
;W[bm]C[vaansama [2d?\]: totally normal
Reckless1 [3d\]: game is close
]
;B[bl]C[Holub [1d\]: but t12...
notevenbad [-\]: t12?
Ber [1k\]: t12!!!!
]
;W[pl]C[noob1d [5d?\]: would be interesting if b refused to play t8 
Mukti [3d\]: I think he will.
Schachus12 [6k\]: maybe he has to
Mukti [3d\]: Refuse, I mean.
]
;B[bd]C[Partyboy [2d\]: it's not over yet?
Holub [1d\]: i dont understand 
Trucmuch [3d\]: w need trheat to play T12
Schachus12 [6k\]: if t8 loses by 0,5 points
]
;W[ad]
;B[ol]C[noob1d [5d?\]: does b have to, in the rules?
notevenbad [-\]: a8 ?
noob1d [5d?\]: even if w has no ko threats?
Reckless1 [3d\]: b must take this ko
daniug [2d\]: double ko know at t12
Deodred [3d\]: w can't t12, black has the last threat
Holub [1d\]: so t12 t11q8 ?
Siskas: i dont get how can black win both ko
Schachus12 [6k\]: t12 then a8?
noob1d [5d?\]: w wins anyway
vaurien [2k?\]: yup
vaurien [2k?\]: black is forced to add a move even if he has more ko threats
]
;W[sh]C[noob1d [5d?\]: I would t12 too
]
;B[si]C[noob1d [5d?\]: q8 now
Dupaaxe [?\]: ko is 1",5" points
noob1d [5d?\]: or a8 , bigger
Cool [1k\]: )))
Cool [1k\]: mistake
noob1d [5d?\]: b lost
Durikun [7k\]: how did black loose this game? what was the mistake ??
]
;W[pl]C[Secil [?\]: lose*
Partyboy [2d\]: leeting W connect at the bottom was really bad imo
Deodred [3d\]: black lost a big group top side? :p
]
;B[sl]C[Siskas: slack ko theat
]
;W[ol]C[Cool [1k\]: bad move q8 
]
;B[ke]C[Schachus12 [6k\]: maybe this is enough to win
]
;W[ko]C[Cool [1k\]: a8 best ko
Partyboy [2d\]: and the only one :)
vaansama [2d?\]: w finished 1st!
fujiyama [8k\]: white + 5.5 ?
Schachus12 [6k\]: SE is stupid
Schachus12 [6k\]: dont listen to it
bolbi [-\]: really ?
bbred [3k\]: AGA rules
bbred [3k\]: so...
vaansama [2d?\]: se is japanese
bolbi [-\]: i didn't know that…
Siskas: european chmapionship by AGA rules ... OMG
Cool [1k\]: komi?
georgee [2d\]: w+2.4
gogonuts [4d\]: lol
shoot [1k\]: lol
Weishenme [4d\]: w + 5,5 ?
gofrit [1k\]: white would had be play B16 to avoid ko threat ?
Schachus12 [6k\]: 2.4 seems unlikely ;)
gogonuts [4d\]: I think your off by 0.1
wefawfsadf: black loses 0.1 points by allowing the silly t12 to exist in the first place
EGC2015a [-\]: W+2,5
vaansama [2d?\]: allez lààààààààààà !  thomaaas!
Jahfab [3d\]: on a envie de dire : ALLEZ LA !!!!!!
shoot [1k\]: oh
gogonuts [4d\]: thx
shoot [1k\]: ty
georgee [2d\]: i was close :))
Champetre [3k\]: ALLEZ LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
EGC2015a [-\]: thanks for watching
vaansama [2d?\]: allez làààà!
catass [-\]: allez laaaaaaaaaa
Weishenme [4d\]: Le a kalappal Thomas !!!!!!
miracle2c [9k\]: thx
dxxd [-\]: congrats Thomas!
Guyome [2d\]: thx, EGC
Champetre [3k\]: PALALALALALAAAAAAAAAAAAAA PALALALALALAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Partyboy [2d\]: so W won? 
Partyboy [2d\]: wow
bolbi [-\]: bravo Thomas
vaansama [2d?\]: gg thomas!!!
fujiyama [8k\]: good semifinal France vs France
vaurien [2k?\]: Bravo :D ans thx EGC2015
fightback [3d\]: thanks egc
vaurien [2k?\]: and*
gofrit [1k\]: gg
gogonuts [4d\]: Pavol and Artem can get drunk tonight together
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