(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[3x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Championship 2015 - Quarterfinals, Dinerstein vs. Shikshin]PW[Shikshin Ilja]PB[Dinerstein Alexandr]WR[1p]BR[3p]DT[2015-07-31]RO[5]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[snowy [1k\]: omg! i'm on time xD
IraTrask [4k\]: Now he will have breakfast?
Shedal [?\]: Good luck to both!
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[oc]
;W[dp]
;B[ce]C[gogonuts [4d\]: I expect a fun game
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;W[qp]
;B[op]
;W[mq]C[snowy [1k\]: hmm doesn't breakfast always beat ilya o.0
namtg [2k\]: oposite
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;B[qq]C[snowy [1k\]: orly? o.0
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;W[qm]C[Manslay [4k\]: his 3p is just a honorary title
IraTrask [4k\]: Is he Japanese?
gogonuts [4d\]: rock beat scissor? :-)
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;B[pp]
;W[rp]
;B[or]C[flobby [-\]: doesn't breakfast always lost to iyja
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;W[jq]
;B[rq]
;W[qj]C[mdew: now he ll win
Manslay [4k\]: white is fine
Manslay [4k\]: j16 now
gogonuts [4d\]: close ul imo
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;B[cn]C[flobby [-\]: always lose*
gogonuts [4d\]: ur less important, because w can't take r16
flobby [-\]: I'm less important? T_T
gogonuts [4d\]: don't take it personally:-)
Artemy [?\]: Кто каким цветом играет? 
SCF: илья белым
Mitty [1k\]: ur interesting
Artemy [?\]: Спасибо! 
Manslay [4k\]: ilya is choosing kakari to ul
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;W[fp]
;B[cq]
;W[cp]
;B[bp]
;W[bo]
;B[bq]
;W[co]
;B[er]
;W[fr]
;B[eq]
;W[fq]C[dude [?\]: what's the motivation in blocking b5 rather than d3?
gogonuts [4d\]: b might tenuki himself for d17
gogonuts [4d\]: overall thickness
gogonuts [4d\]: instead of profit sharing plus sente
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;B[bn]
;W[ao]C[profan [-\]: is this table 1?
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;B[dq]C[Manslay [4k\]: c15 is aiming for the left side
gogonuts [4d\]: now b must d3
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;W[dk]C[Manslay [4k\]: white can't let it be good
snowy [1k\]: what kind b opening is that O_O
snowy [1k\]: kinda
Muttley [3k\]: Win or lose, their games are always fun
profan [-\]: some tricky one :)
flobby [-\]: i like b right now
gogonuts [4d\]: d9 was extremely fast
Manslay [4k\]: looks like he's studied this move
Muttley [3k\]: well, Ilya does tend to play past
profan [-\]: white is taking advantage of c15
Muttley [3k\]: fast
AhSayuni [5d\]: so far I like b's position, but always hard to tell what would happen on top
gogonuts [4d\]: it doesnt directly fix - so I'm surprised w could chose it so quickly
Y [-\]: Why isnt lukas kraemer in the quater final? 
profan [-\]: p17
snowy [1k\]: i see them on the stream yay
gogonuts [4d\]: because he's not in the tournament
snowy [1k\]: i don't see egc though :<
logang [?\]: Snowy, what stream are you talking about?
gogonuts [4d\]: the wallchart mixes the 2 tournaments
Muttley [3k\]: Isn't the Lukas playing Lukas Podpera?
snowy [1k\]: breakfast is walking around watching other boards
Y [-\]: I thought He is 1st on Main wall list
snowy [1k\]: https://youtu.be/Rpk4fQgUeyU
gogonuts [4d\]: yes, but he didnt start in the em tournament
logang [?\]: Thanks a bunch, Snowy
gogonuts [4d\]: playing in egc from the start
Siskas: because lukas kraemer even didnt qualify for best 24 EU players
gogonuts [4d\]: a shame we cant see his game today though
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;B[dc]C[gogonuts [4d\]: he's playing wang, right?
gogonuts [4d\]: the other 4:0 player in the main
Y [-\]: So the wall list is broken? 
gogonuts [4d\]: not broken
namtg [2k\]: so one corner left
gogonuts [4d\]: the players from the em that drop out merge into the egc
namtg [2k\]: and the whole board
gogonuts [4d\]: but the program couldnt handle marking the em players :-)
profan [-\]: some reason to not give k16 black?
Y [-\]: Thank you gogonuts, one more thing what is em? 
snowy [1k\]: so far so good o.o
gogonuts [4d\]: its the closed tournament for euro champ
gogonuts [4d\]: only 24 players started
Y [-\]: Thank you. 
snowy [1k\]: breakfast exercising
snowy [1k\]: must be nerve wracking to sit in front of ilya xD
AhSayuni [5d\]: I'm sure he's used to it..
Laon [8k\]: i cant see him xD so many ppl 
snowy [1k\]: just jk haha
Manslay [4k\]: i can't see them too on the stream
gogonuts [4d\]: sly old diner fox not the easiest opponent, ilya has to take care not to stumble
profan [-\]: if white plays r16 area then k16 or k17 could be enough for black?
snowy [1k\]: he got a hat
snowy [1k\]: thinking hat
Manslay [4k\]: though there's Ali vs Artem game in the front
Muttley [3k\]: bets on breakfast getting 4 corners :))
Muttley [3k\]: "I am greedy" :))
snowy [1k\]: ilya won with moyo yesterday xD
Muttley [3k\]: and you don't really want to r16 here unless you can fight with push cut
Manslay [4k\]: aha, their board is at the right
Manslay [4k\]: they're both absent
snowy [1k\]: ilya isn't captured in the vid >_>
profan [-\]: what about d18 now is too early?
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;W[fn]C[profan [-\]: lol :)
flobby [-\]: very patient
snowy [1k\]: puro
Manslay [4k\]: sill leaves aji
rex27 [3k\]: bloody
Manslay [4k\]: still*
snowy [1k\]: yeah T.T
flobby [-\]: if it was a kyu player i'd tell him he's overconcentrated. but he's 8d so i'll just say its correct to play honte here
Becubio [4k\]: Wow, crazy Breakfast! This is a game i always wanted to see : ) I rather Ilya, but Breakfast is more experimented
profan [-\]: f6 looks good also for o5 area
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;B[di]C[snowy [1k\]: u just got in on time xD
dude [?\]: w looks very bunched up
dude [?\]: who can like this opening for w?
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;W[jd]
;B[qd]C[gogonuts [4d\]: my take on diner strategy: keep it close, keep it safe, and hope ilya starts a crazy fight because he gets annoyed
zima [1k\]: b has four corners
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;W[fc]C[snowy [1k\]: is it possible to capture d11
dude [?\]: not without cooperation
weiqidevil [-\]: why would you want to do that?
gogonuts [4d\]: lol
flobby [-\]: i prefer b right now
ToDie [4d?\]: at least there is aji at c13 for later
gogonuts [4d\]: certainly nothing wrong with the b position
Muttley [3k\]: My take on Dinerstein: "Must make ... more points ... more points ... must make ..."
Muttley [3k\]: k14, be bold
snowy [1k\]: because w will want to attacking something with that ... what u call it, framework ?
Muttley [3k\]: yes
Muttley [3k\]: or moyo
snowy [1k\]: b is just: solid cash, solid cash.........
gogonuts [4d\]: i think bold m17 :-)
MyWay [4d\]: Shikshin is b?
Muttley [3k\]: m17 looks the most natural
Muttley [3k\]: pretty flat though
Manslay [4k\]: alexander wears a sweater
gogonuts [4d\]: what is possible though is h17
snowy [1k\]: striped white and blue
Muttley [3k\]: he might c10 even, I wouldn't put it past breakfast
gogonuts [4d\]: and b might actually play it
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;B[lc]C[flobby [-\]: c10? looks like a kyu move
Muttley [3k\]: hehe
Muttley [3k\]: it is flobby :)
snowy [1k\]: k 10!
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;W[ee]C[Muttley [3k\]: well, it does ask w "where are your points?"
profan [-\]: 4 corners and win the game?
dude [?\]: did w spend any time yet?
Muttley [3k\]:  corners and die in the centre
snowy [1k\]: they playing quite normal
snowy [1k\]: no long thinking time
zima [1k\]: I hope Ilya will get a moyo in center
flobby [-\]: well dinner can play a kyu move then tell ilya "I can beat you even with kyu moves"
snowy [1k\]: b will just have to live inside
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;B[cg]C[Grunman [8k\]: crazy
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;W[cd]
;B[dd]
;W[de]
;B[be]
;W[cb]
;B[cc]
;W[db]C[Shedal [?\]: Only his statistics against Ilya has not been good in the past several years. So kyu moves would be unwise.
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;B[bc]C[profan [-\]: where are white points?
flobby [-\]: that does not look like a good result for b...
flobby [-\]: so many stones and gote
IraTrask [4k\]: w stole his cash
yozh: white no need points to win
ToDie [4d?\]: really gote?
Grunman [8k\]: b9/c9
Manslay [4k\]: black can cut, yes
Mikko88888: white just needs to kill a black group, that's all :-)
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;W[qe]C[flobby [-\]: there, gote :D
snowy [1k\]: there's nothing to attack T.T
jytsao [?\]: it's a trap
Guyome [2d\]: d11 and c13 feel a bit weird now , no?
ToDie [4d?\]: ok, you´re right :D
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;B[pe]
;W[qf]C[Shedal [?\]: W is quite thin on the top, so he definitely needs call for reinforcement
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;B[pd]C[snowy [1k\]: i want some snack
snowy [1k\]: egc tell them not to mvoe! stop...
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;W[kc]
;B[ld]
;W[jf]C[gogonuts [4d\]: c17 failed imo
flobby [-\]: dinner is being uber solid...
Shedal [?\]: Wow, extremely solid indeed
gogonuts [4d\]: wanted to make miai of top and right, but w got both anyways
Jermelle [-\]: It's not often he plays this solid.
Mikko88888: D6 coming up
profan [-\]: white can attack c6 when moving :)
Muttley [3k\]: w+30
Shedal [?\]: R12?
Muttley [3k\]: I think b got a bad fuseki
flobby [-\]: w+95.5
Becubio [4k\]: i see no future for w... B has too many entries to the center and his corners are garanted...
Terranigma [1k\]: starting with d6 is bad move order
Jermelle [-\]: W=gg
gogonuts [4d\]: b had a nice fuseki
flobby [-\]: i liked b but after top left and top right, im not sure anymmore
gogonuts [4d\]: first middle game action went badly :-)
Muttley [3k\]: yeah, that's a better way of putting it
Shenron [1d\]: B game to lose
Muttley [3k\]: sorry :)
IraTrask [4k\]: how do these Korean players get into euro tournament?
Shenron [1d\]: W still must work
Becubio [4k\]: b k5 ?
Muttley [3k\]: Ira, they can enter, they just can't win the title
MyWay [4d\]: Who is w?
Jermelle [-\]: ...
flobby [-\]: ilya
MyWay [4d\]: ty
Muttley [3k\]: Ilya Shikshin
Shenron [1d\]: Roln
Mitty [1k\]: w is roln?
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;B[qh]C[Becubio [4k\]: or g14?
Muttley [3k\]: yes
Jermelle [-\]: Yes
flobby [-\]: roln on the ground laughing
Terranigma [1k\]: w top not solid yet
Jermelle [-\]: They see me roln... they hatin'
GoRoGoRo [12k?\]: :-)
flobby [-\]: oh man i was gonna play r12 but i thought it was too kyu so i didn't say it
Shedal [?\]: I guessed R12 correctly, then
KBAC [2d\]: here we go
Muttley [3k\]: flobby: kyu move.
Muttley [3k\]: :))
flobby [-\]: looks like a pretty kyu game so far
Jermelle [-\]: For black ~_~
Becubio [4k\]: wq14? or q13?
IraTrask [4k\]: it looks liek a handi game
Muttley [3k\]: why not just connect under, or should w q13?
Jermelle [-\]: inb4 tenuki
Muttley [3k\]: maybe even q12, but I'd rather give b more side
Terranigma [1k\]: b can play h17 later i think
KBAC [2d\]: warm-up is over , time to start fighting )
snowy [1k\]: attack ! !
flobby [-\]: maybe w can tenuki again
IraTrask [3k\]: I got promoted ;)
Terranigma [1k\]: too big to tenuki
Jermelle [-\]: s12 seems too submissive, not roln's style
flobby [-\]: doesn't seem to be anything good locally
Muttley [3k\]: s12 isn't submissive, it asks b to live on the side and develop more thickness for white
flobby [-\]: but then nothing good globally either
Shenron [1d\]: Maybe tenuki
Terranigma [1k\]: q14
Becubio [4k\]: r12 is sente can't tenuki easily, loose that is so big and i can't see a move of W equivalent
flobby [-\]: the question is
flobby [-\]: can b eat it in 1 move
Jermelle [-\]: m6 looks pretty nice
flobby [-\]: and besides muttley b doesn't have to play ponnuki with s12 b can like r13 s13 q14
Muttley [3k\]: I know
Jermelle [-\]: "I know" get rekt
Terranigma [1k\]: s12 is an option too
Muttley [3k\]: that's why I think q13 might be simpler
flobby [-\]: so when in doubt tenuki
flobby [-\]: :D
Terranigma [1k\]: absolutely no tenuki here
flobby [-\]: oh and also ko! (inb4 muttley)
Muttley [3k\]: the problem with tenuki is b doesn't capture, but expands towards the centre
Jermelle [-\]: lool
Muttley [3k\]: its times like these you want to be able to suggest a completely bizarre move, then see white play it :))
Shenron [1d\]: I prolly s12
flobby [-\]: and that's why i said tenuki, muttley )
Muttley [3k\]: hehe
Mikko88888: Q12
snowy [1k\]: wwwplay
Muttley [3k\]: ok, n7
Terranigma [1k\]: q12 q11 and then what?
Mikko88888: cut and connect underneath then take sente and win the game :-)
Terranigma [1k\]: there is no connection possible with q12
Becubio [4k\]: W needs a combo breaker
Jermelle [-\]: tengen
Mikko88888: terranigma, q12,q11,r11,Q13,S12 etc
gogonuts [4d\]: w is hesitating, because w q14 + w o14 still doesnt connect to k14
snowy [1k\]: w needs some of my pineapple juice
gogonuts [4d\]: but he doesnt want to duck either :-)
Muttley [3k\]: n7, only move
Shenron [1d\]: W reading out long battle
flobby [-\]: f11!
snowy [1k\]: 40 moves and all variations xD
snowy [1k\]: w played this game himself...
Jermelle [-\]: n7 or m6 is my bet if white tenukis
flobby [-\]: I made a completely bizarre suggestion (at least I never would've played it) in the 2nd round and I actually got it right
Jermelle [-\]: *are my bets
Muttley [3k\]: n5 better than m6 imho
flobby [-\]: be more kyu-greedy and o5
Grunman [8k\]: why does Alexandr play here and not Cristian Pop?
Terranigma [1k\]: any gote move at this stage is bad
Jermelle [-\]: think outside the bun ;o
Hartz4 [4k\]: is this a rated game ?
flobby [-\]: it is i think
Muttley [3k\]: not on KGS, Hartz
Mitty [1k\]: d12...
AhSayuni [5d\]: w is not really behind in territory
AhSayuni [5d\]: he can discard this stone
Muttley [3k\]: its a relay from a real life tournament
AlexOss [3k\]: Grunman, Diner has highest rate
snowy [1k\]: https://youtu.be/Rpk4fQgUeyU   check vid stream
snowy [1k\]: European Championship 2015 quarterfinals
Jermelle [-\]: I love that guy's sitting posture
flobby [-\]: should be rated for the euro ratings
Mitty [1k\]: u also played the cellphone
Mitty [1k\]: he
Terranigma [1k\]: maybe w should start with s16...
Jermelle [-\]: http://prntscr.com/7z5cyl dat sitting posture
Manslay [4k\]: lol
Manslay [4k\]: and now?
flobby [-\]: so i think b is leading on time now?
Jermelle [-\]: ^
Terranigma [1k\]: place your bets, people (me: s16)
Mitty [1k\]: p12.. or d12
Jermelle [-\]: n6 or m6 
Mitty [1k\]: or r11
Jermelle [-\]: if he really has to respond, s12 or q12 
Mitty [1k\]: or o2
Jermelle [-\]: wat
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;W[rd]
;B[rc]C[Jermelle [-\]: welp.
Terranigma [1k\]: hehehehe
snowy [1k\]: a move !
Becubio [4k\]: wow, 1p solution against all our conjectures!!!
snowy [1k\]: /awkens
flobby [-\]: i thought about s16 but i couldn't see what it did
Catlemur [2k\]: I predict a final between Shikshin and Lisy.
Terranigma [1k\]: it allows eye shape later on... and of course is absolute sente
flobby [-\]: oh wait did terranigma guess the right move? You are prommoted to 8d
Terranigma [1k\]: of course i did :p
darkronin [2k?\]: At first I didn't see diner and ilya on the stream then I remembered to look to the right.
Manslay [4k\]: Alexandr is walking in front now
Muttley [3k\]: You know, I suggested s16
snowy [1k\]: how much w used up time now T.T
Muttley [3k\]: it was in another game, a different position, and roln and breakfast weren't playing, but still.
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;W[ph]C[Muttley [3k\]: ok, we get the main idea here
noob1d [5d?\]: usually bad idea to fight ilya, but b was forced
gogonuts [4d\]: shocking
YZ1509 [4d\]: white has the better game here, but i rather be playing black
gogonuts [4d\]: after all that time the kyu-suji :-)
snowy [1k\]: what if b q11 w plan to q13?
Terranigma [1k\]: then b connects at r11...
flobby [-\]: but letting b connect at r13 is not much better
Terranigma [1k\]: that would be even worse :p
YZ1509 [4d\]: catch you later after the lunchbreak
Terranigma [1k\]: w would respond to q11 with s12 i think
storn [3k\]: who said breakfast's 3p honorable?
storn [3k\]: he was real korean 3p
Manslay [4k\]: i guess t14  is possible
Laon [8k\]: was or is
Cez [4d\]: there was no significant reason why he and ilja's sister got promotion to 3p storn
flobby [-\]: hmm terra, i think you really are a 8d hiding until a 1k mask
notevenbad [-\]: i don't like the system with quarter finals from round 4 instead of 7 like last year
flobby [-\]: was dinner really strong enough to pass the korean pro exam the normal way? really?
storn [3k\]: flobby, yes
Cez [4d\]: but yea diner used to be ultra strong the other days
flobby [-\]: how long ago was this?
noob1d [5d?\]: he beat O Rissei 9p
noob1d [5d?\]: so diner is actually 10p
storn [3k\]: when he was 1p? 97-99. as I know
snowy [1k\]: 10powah
storn [3k\]: or smthing like
apina [1d\]: I beat 3 dan, why I didn't got promoted from 1 kyu
Terranigma [1k\]: O Rissei is getting a little older... but that's still a huge accomplishment imo
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;B[ic]C[flobby [-\]: that wasn't even that long ago.. how did he get so weak?
apina [1d\]: and in EGC I would have played as 4 kyu, because they use GORs
storn [3k\]: he married)
U [?\]: that was like 15 years ago?
darkronin [2k?\]: Fight back?
noob1d [5d?\]: flobby, he is not weak
Terranigma [1k\]: w should take sente here at all cost
noob1d [5d?\]: even fan hui is losing to top european players
gogonuts [4d\]: well, you cant say a. O is getting old, and b. it was a long time ago#
Terranigma [1k\]: i didnt know ._.
gogonuts [4d\]: those arguments dont add up :-)
IraTrask [3k\]: What rank do they give you if you don't have any GOR?
storn [3k\]: anyway, breakfast was very strong. He is strong still, but not so as earlier
U [?\]: alex is still easily egf 7d. pro ranks are just titles, they shouldnt be taken so seriously'
flobby [-\]: does dinner speak korean?
gogonuts [4d\]: but slyer than before :_)
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;W[kb]C[bluetable [-\]: i watched b play in tournament once
Manslay [4k\]: he can speak basic korean
snowy [1k\]: 저도
Terranigma [1k\]: l18 looks a little risky to me
noob1d [5d?\]: can't see a good follow up
noob1d [5d?\]: locally f16 seemed standard, but not very useful
Terranigma [1k\]: what about f18?
apina [1d\]: risky and ilja in same sentence. Doesn't happen that often :P
ThiGar [4k\]: q11?
gogonuts [4d\]: g17 possible?
Hartz4 [4k\]: h15
Terranigma [1k\]: b threw a stone inside w territory --- can't tenuki now
ThiGar [4k\]: j17 remains as aji, no?
Terranigma [1k\]: aji is a dumb word that doesn't mean anythin imho
Terranigma [1k\]: w called bluff
Terranigma [1k\]: b has to show
storn [3k\]: his korean fighting spirit
darkronin [2k?\]: Who is the player behind the posture guy in the stream?
ThiGar [4k\]: aji is a real concept though.
darkronin [2k?\]: Playing Lin right?
Terranigma [1k\]: either way you don't go all in (e.g., j17), and then run away shouting "aji" 
Terranigma [1k\]: makes no sense
ThiGar [4k\]: aji always is some kind of throw in gamble
Terranigma [1k\]: b didnt get to 3p by basing a move like j17 on a mere gamble...
weiqidevil [-\]: I wonder why black is taking so long. He should have thought about L18 before he played J17
ThiGar [4k\]: not a local immediate gamble, but a long time strrategic one
Terranigma [1k\]: of course he did
Muttley [3k\]: "I am 3p at gambling with aji" - Alexander Dinerstein
Manslay [4k\]: if we reverse the moves like j17 k16 and m17 l18 it becomes obvious black has failed here
Terranigma [1k\]: but now he has to deepen his prev read
weiqidevil [-\]: that’s almost like gambling
snowy [1k\]: if ilya win this he be like 5-0!!!
Manslay [4k\]: when*
Hartz4 [4k\]: why*
darkronin [2k?\]: how*
Terranigma [1k\]: if nothing better is found b can play h15 anyway
snowy [1k\]: next moves takes so long to wait T_____T but interesting ^_^
Muttley [3k\]: black's next move is most likely to be n7
Hartz4 [4k\]: h3 deep dive
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;B[gc]C[Muttley [3k\]: I was close.
Terranigma [1k\]: see? theere's no way ion hell b was going to tenuki
flobby [-\]: black will use j17 aji to threaten to cut off r15 in order to prepare for a ko at b3
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;W[gd]C[snowy [1k\]: ilya walknig around but cant take his eyes off the board xD
snowy [1k\]: he dont have that much time left too right ?
Terranigma [1k\]: i predict a ko
liusasori [3d\]: e17 e18 f16 f18 g15 h16 f15 is what b aiming for i guess
liusasori [3d\]: so e17 f18 f16 then fight ?
gogonuts [4d\]: muttley, you were close, i was on target :-)
flobby [-\]: basically the same thing then, gogonuts :)
Muttley [3k\]: hehe :)
gogonuts [4d\]: if diner dies it's my fault :_)+
ohlord [1d\]: famous last words, close 2 the right move.. .-)
ThiGar [4k\]: EGC2015b, can you tell us the players clock situation, please?
Muttley [3k\]: frankly I'd be worried if either player played the moves I suggested
ThiGar [4k\]: well, n7 had definite influence on upper situation, though.
snowy [1k\]: sshh egc wont move a finger xD
snowy [1k\]: it is stick on the mouse
Muttley [3k\]: ThiGar: "ticking"
ThiGar [4k\]: ^^
Muttley [3k\]: hehe :)
Muttley [3k\]: roln will be ahead on the clock
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;B[fb]C[ThiGar [4k\]: f18 so predictable!
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;W[gb]
;B[hc]
;W[eb]
;B[ie]C[Muttley [3k\]: interesting, Terranigma was spot on in saying "black will play this out"
darkronin [2k?\]: Jumping out like a pro!
Muttley [3k\]: well done!
Becubio [4k\]: B is totally In
Muttley [3k\]: no, he's total out :))
]
;W[fe]C[Manslay [4k\]: there's a whitedog playin on the stream
Becubio [4k\]: living in W's moyos
flobby [-\]: terranigma is a hidden 8d
flobby [-\]: no racist comments on kgs manslay
Manslay [4k\]: it's the nickname
Manslay [4k\]: how could it be racist?
Muttley [3k\]: want to get back to the game?
Muttley [3k\]: let's not have extended (or even short) trollfests today :))
Laon [8k\]: h14 or k15?
]
;B[he]
;W[je]
;B[hg]C[Becubio [4k\]: well, now i see B has a running group and make twoeyes or connect is too dificult. So B is In the cave of death
Minjhou [5k?\]:  
ThiGar [4k\]: b has 4 corners and center open with h13 and p4
Muttley [3k\]: by "b" I take it you mean "blanc"
noob1d [5d?\]: b's thinking is: all my groups are solid and safe, so I can invade
snowy [1k\]: can manage 1 weak group
Becubio [4k\]: "divide, live and win"
noob1d [5d?\]: "get all corners, reduce moyo, win"
Muttley [3k\]: "kill, kill, kill"
noob1d [5d?\]: or, "get all corners, invade, win" (riskier)
gonzo [4d?\]: w has to be careful of e17
stj1997 [1d\]: get no corners, kill, win
]
;W[fh]C[ThiGar [4k\]: e17 may kill the w group
darkronin [2k?\]: Wowow
noob1d [5d?\]: j12 ?
Grunman [8k\]: what need for f12?
Laon [8k\]: if b e17 cant white capture? 
ThiGar [4k\]: j12 sente on k16
darkronin [2k?\]: You usually want to prevent connection to stable group
AA [7k\]: quite a few pro's in this tournament
AA [7k\]: is it true that pro's need more time to think ?  they have 2.5 hours each ?
ThiGar [4k\]: 2.5 hours is for quality play
Guyome [2d\]: it is not that pros "need" more time to think
patcher [1d\]: yeah, pro's are slow minded :)
Guyome [2d\]: it is that contrary to us they have somethink to thjink about
apina [1d\]: yes, pros need more time, they would play like 10 kyu, if they had only 1 hour
Manslay [4k\]: pros can use this time to think
Guyome [2d\]: :)
gogonuts [4d\]: as a rule of thumb, the pro starts thinking where the ama stops thinking
AA [7k\]: always amazes me how much time there is in professional tournaments
patcher [1d\]: give me 2.5 hours, ill still somehow play blitz
gogonuts [4d\]: except for japanese top tournaments, it amazes me how little time they have
AA [7k\]: but there might be good reasons for it I suppose
ThiGar [4k\]: I really like b's position if he doesn't blow it
darkronin [2k?\]: Haha gogo
gogonuts [4d\]: nowadys they slug out really high quality games in 1min per move
gogonuts [4d\]: one of the reasons it's become a young mans game
AA [7k\]: now I am feeling really old :-)
ozjohn [3k\]: bet i'molder
blotter [10k?\]: in old days they  had 11+11 hours
ozjohn [3k\]: older
AA [7k\]: 54 here
ThiGar [4k\]: vets have seen more forms though.
ozjohn [3k\]: on the whole I prefer white's position. black has little potential
AA [7k\]: one of the problems with this kind of game is that i never know who is leading
AA [7k\]: seems to shift almost every move
ozjohn [3k\]: add 20
AA [7k\]: :-)
ozjohn [3k\]: you have 20 years to gain 4 stones
AA [7k\]: hm, perhaps when I have the time, but that might be after another 20 years
ozjohn [3k\]: :)
AA [7k\]: still belong to the working class
]
;B[gi]
;W[dh]C[suibaku [1d\]: it's easy to figure out whose ahead, just look at shapes
GoRoGoRo [12k?\]: ??
ohlord [1d\]: maybe not the 1. time of this question, but... lukas krämer is on the top of the wallist and he dont playing here...why?
]
;B[jh]C[noob1d [5d?\]: b too cool
EGC2015b [-\]: he wasn´t in top 24
Terranigma [1k\]: remember when i said "L18 seems risky"? ^^
Muttley [3k\]: no.
ohlord [1d\]: ahh ok
noob1d [5d?\]: lukas doing well
noob1d [5d?\]: seems he improved from his trip to japan
PlaySlow [10k\]: with komi
]
;W[ig]C[PlaySlow [10k\]: it seems even territorially but white got bigger potential and better shapes imo
]
;B[ih]
;W[hh]C[PlaySlow [10k\]: Of course i am new to game
PlaySlow [10k\]: so forgive me if i am wrong:)
noob1d [5d?\]: cut doesn't work
noob1d [5d?\]: ladder is good for b
]
;B[if]C[noob1d [5d?\]: j14 k13 g12 h11 h10 
]
;W[jg]C[ohlord [1d\]: most of us are wrong :-)
]
;B[gh]
;W[kh]C[noob1d [5d?\]: poor ilya
noob1d [5d?\]: h11 ?
Muttley [3k\]: perhaps you didn't understand why w played h12
gogonuts [4d\]: k10?
Terranigma [1k\]: h11 seems like the wisest option
noob1d [5d?\]: usually bad to cut if opponent can capture cutting stone
CrabStone [2d\]: Usually
noob1d [5d?\]: but ok, maybe w thought this was the best way
noob1d [5d?\]: k10 l11 becomes a problem
gogonuts [4d\]: something is wrong with this
gogonuts [4d\]: atleast w should have started with L12
gogonuts [4d\]: that b can now pick and chose can't be good
Terranigma [1k\]: h11 is the "proper" move here for b, no matter how i look at this
AA [7k\]: l11 is not playable ?
CrabStone [2d\]: L11 also possible
gogonuts [4d\]: yes
gogonuts [4d\]: but can get cut
Terranigma [1k\]: l11 is tempting indeed...
noob1d [5d?\]: l11 m11 ?
gogonuts [4d\]: we will see
WiteDragon [3k\]: if b h11 then he's behind in points:potential? needs to put more pressure maybe?
Terranigma [1k\]: b has more points than w, WiteDragon
WiteDragon [3k\]: but w more potential
Terranigma [1k\]: not playing h11 would give w even more potential
WiteDragon [3k\]: feels b can never erase it all if w is settled everywhere
]
;B[ki]C[WiteDragon [3k\]: seems diner has the same feeling
WiteDragon [3k\]: or just read that the cut is no problem of course
Terranigma [1k\]: b just didnt want w to play l11 instead --not much to do with who's ahead imo
AA [7k\]: k11 j11 ?
CrabStone [2d\]: It's better to double hane than atari AA
AA [7k\]: ok
]
;W[lh]C[darkronin [2k?\]: and it's better to extend than to double hane apparently :D
liusasori [3d\]: game seems better for whane would be crazy cause then b would atari at l13 and play m14 next
CrabStone [2d\]: Apparently
negesog [7k\]: Dîners teint w ? 
darkronin [2k?\]: no, black
negesog [7k\]: Ty
noob1d [5d?\]: will b m14 
WiteDragon [3k\]: yes, game better for w so playing defensive and b more agressive
darkronin [2k?\]: @noob i thought you were typing slang like 'u m8' ^^
]
;B[ch]C[WiteDragon [3k\]: what does this do?
Terranigma [1k\]: if w tenukis now... w dies
]
;W[ei]C[WiteDragon [3k\]: activate c6?
noob1d [5d?\]: k10 
WiteDragon [3k\]: oh
]
;B[dg]C[Ikra [3k\]: after B e17 will w or not ?
]
;W[gf]
;B[hf]C[Terranigma [1k\]: b should play h18 first in that case, Ikra
Ikra [3k\]: it coud be gotte
]
;W[eh]C[Ikra [3k\]: the reason why Ilia connected
ozjohn [3k\]: g14 was a nice connecting move
noob1d [5d?\]: still suggest k10 
AA [7k\]: m14 ?
Terranigma [1k\]: e10
AA [7k\]: e10 is a banging move right ?
ozjohn [3k\]: k11 is interesting
Terranigma [1k\]: what's wrong with banging? ^^
Ikra [3k\]: e10 is culd be separating move
AA [7k\]: well, banging is usually considered bad
darkronin [2k?\]: isn't there a white ladder that works :?
AA [7k\]: because its terrible shape
Terranigma [1k\]: double hane is terrible shape?
AA [7k\]: no
AA [7k\]: but it should work right ?
ozjohn [3k\]: e10 looks bad
]
;B[jj]C[AA [7k\]: so tengen it is :-)
ozjohn [3k\]: ah black worried about k11
]
;W[li]C[GoRoGoRo [12k?\]: L18 was start of that mess?
noob1d [5d?\]: finally b played my move
noob1d [5d?\]: l9 locally good
noob1d [5d?\]: can b find a tesuji on the right side?
snowy [1k\]: where is w points T______T
AA [7k\]: so whats next, m10 n10 m9 and white builds the right side ?
snowy [1k\]: a text distracted me ugh!!! damn cp >.>
noob1d [5d?\]: i can imagine b playing l9 
snowy [1k\]: can w kill that ? it looks too spacious
noob1d [5d?\]: but it's important to defend
noob1d [5d?\]: otherwise w can make moyo bigger by attacking
]
;B[fg]
;W[eg]
;B[ef]C[noob1d [5d?\]: nice
WiteDragon [3k\]: gotta love those sqeezes
]
;W[ci]C[darkronin [2k?\]: roln will not be squeezed!
WiteDragon [3k\]: or like the guy from badukmovies says: "such a beautiful squeez, i dream about playing one like that every night!"
]
;B[df]C[Terranigma [1k\]: unless i propose them: then they're suddenly a "bad move" and "bad shape" :p
]
;W[ff]
;B[gg]C[WiteDragon [3k\]: i never said that
AA [7k\]: white is cut, but can still live
Terranigma [1k\]: e10 was a squeeze to, you know
Terranigma [1k\]: *too
WiteDragon [3k\]: i know, don't see how it was a 'banging' move
AA [7k\]: well, this is way better
]
;W[bb]C[Terranigma [1k\]: also not sure how this is "way better"
WiteDragon [3k\]: don't a gree, if b coule have fotten stronger at e10 en a lot potential of w erased
WiteDragon [3k\]: c12 getting sealed in can't be good
AA [7k\]: now black has sente
]
;B[dj]
;W[ej]
;B[cj]
;W[ck]
;B[bi]
;W[bj]
;B[ci]C[WiteDragon [3k\]: will w take some cash now?
WiteDragon [3k\]: or try attack l11
AA [7k\]: sound like a good idea
]
;W[gk]C[WiteDragon [3k\]: think he has to reinforce 
WiteDragon [3k\]: ah he did
negesog [7k\]: How many rounds in quarter final? 
]
;B[hb]
;W[fa]C[darkronin [2k?\]: hmm now O5 is becoming sweet
]
;B[ab]
;W[ec]C[darkronin [2k?\]: and by sweet, i mean large
WiteDragon [3k\]: maybe he van aven k8 first
Terranigma [1k\]: a18 seems like a waste of a ko threat to me :s
WiteDragon [3k\]: probably xants h19 to be sente?
Terranigma [1k\]: ...but why?
WiteDragon [3k\]: to make an eye if needed
namtg [2k\]: time for right  side
fuzhou [4d\]: b has to defend the center
negesog [7k\]: M14
PlaySlow [10k\]: In the stream it is said that there is going to be 2 lectures by Guo Juan. Will they be streamed alive
PlaySlow [10k\]: http://egc2015.cz/stream
noob1d [5d?\]: h9 maybe
]
;B[fk]
;W[ek]C[Yumi [5d\]: when did this game start?
darkronin [2k?\]: around 2hours30' ago
]
;B[hk]
;W[gl]C[Yumi [5d\]: hmm same time tomorrow right?
noob1d [5d?\]: there's a giant in the stream
noob1d [5d?\]: ok, gone now
snowy [1k\]: where is w poooiiiiints
]
;B[pg]C[darkronin [2k?\]: no, tomorrow there's the weekend tournament
darkronin [2k?\]: main tournament resumes on monday
kolayn112 [1k\]: кто с кем и какими?
]
;W[kj]C[noob1d [5d?\]: b gave w a chance
EGC2015b [-\]: Play-offs continue tomorrow
ThiGar [4k\]: kakimi vas?
TheRealRio [9k\]: w Shikshin b Dinershtein
noob1d [5d?\]: strange that he didn't defend the center again
Yumi [5d\]: May I have the time the game will start on KGS tomorrow? :)
darkronin [2k?\]: hmm, sorry Yumi, on the program it says "European Championship Semifinal and final" so maybe also tomorrow ^^'
darkronin [2k?\]: sorry again
noob1d [5d?\]: but with h19 sente, i reckon b can easily live
WiteDragon [3k\]: and that's why he played a18 :)
darkronin [2k?\]: it's going to start at 9:30 EST
gogonuts [4d\]: what is this?
gogonuts [4d\]: q13 was impossible
gogonuts [4d\]: this is grim
Yumi [5d\]: pm I assume?
noob1d [5d?\]: problem is w can get big moyo now
WiteDragon [3k\]: am i correct we can't see this board in the stram?
zima [1k\]: am
WiteDragon [3k\]: stream?
noob1d [5d?\]: sometimes it shows
]
;B[jk]C[darkronin [2k?\]: sorry 9:30 CET !! 
noob1d [5d?\]: alex is wearing a hat as usual
darkronin [2k?\]: i am awful with time zones >__<
Yumi [5d\]: Haha it's fine! Alright, at least I'll be on time tomorrow then.
darkronin [2k?\]: yes it's the board in the far right, but many people standing cover it at the moment!!
noob1d [5d?\]: still some problems in b's shape
Yumi [5d\]: If there is one tomorrow
darkronin [2k?\]: now you can see Ilya's face :D
darkronin [2k?\]: he's holding his head in his hands
noob1d [5d?\]: they must be tired of playing each other
noob1d [5d?\]: or maybe they enjoy it, dunno
darkronin [2k?\]: and there you go, breakfast with his lucky baseball hat :D
snowy [1k\]: i can only see him when his face get really close to the board lol
zima [1k\]: Is there chance for b to die?
noob1d [5d?\]: not really
FryMe [3k\]: killing is hard
noob1d [5d?\]: is it a lucky hat?
storn [3k\]: Is there chance for w to die?
noob1d [5d?\]: I've seen him wear different hats, of different colors
darkronin [2k?\]: he often plays wearing one, at least the last few years. So I just assume it is
FryMe [3k\]: great you can't watch that stream in germany unless you use a proxy
noob1d [5d?\]: germany and youtube don't go well together
Hashirama [1k\]: You can use me as a proxy ;)
FryMe [3k\]: I do have a VPN so I can watch, but it's annoying
Hashirama [1k\]: No no you should use me as a proxy so I can spy on your traffic :D
snowy [1k\]: breakfast thinking hat is too strong T.T
darkronin [2k?\]: Haha I know, right? ^^
Vainn6768: what are they waiting for? Christmas?
]
;W[pf]C[FryMe [3k\]: my trafix is really boring Hashirama, it's not worth it :D
Hashirama [1k\]: :(
snowy [1k\]: must     take    points
]
;B[pi]
;W[oh]
;B[qi]
;W[og]C[snowy [1k\]: yes try to run away with this group so w can kill more
WiteDragon [3k\]: r7 strong enough to attack?
noob1d [5d?\]: 2 weak groups
noob1d [5d?\]: bad idea vs ilya
noob1d [5d?\]: r9 ?
WiteDragon [3k\]: is k9 really weak?
WiteDragon [3k\]: h19 and alive
noob1d [5d?\]: b is sill fine
Hashirama [1k\]: gote life
noob1d [5d?\]: still
Hashirama [1k\]: :o
noob1d [5d?\]: r9 now I think
Vainn6768: R9 the only move
WiteDragon [3k\]: stream jammed
FryMe [3k\]: so it's not only me
Shusaku2 [5k\]: hi ulf...wie gehts? Gruss von Martin Birgit und Mike....martin hätte gestern fast GM Stopa besiegt....der stand total platt
rocket [1d\]: q10 now
Herb94702 [6k\]: s14?
noob1d [5d?\]: q10 "thank you" move
DarkIBlade [3d\]: r9
Hartz4 [4k\]: who is ulf ?
darkronin [2k?\]: i think wrong copy/paste?
]
;B[ql]C[Shusaku2 [5k\]: whois who? Big Brother is back
noob1d [5d?\]: alex is 1 step ahead of us
WiteDragon [3k\]: time for that dinerstein magic
Yumi [5d\]: :D
snowy [1k\]: no0o0o0o0o0o0o0o\\
snowy [1k\]: but exciting game ^^
snowmen [4d\]: who ie GM Stpa?
snowmen [4d\]: who is GM Stopa?
WiteDragon [3k\]: eh?
Grunman [8k\]: it looks like everybody plays today with traditional box of stones, and some days before they played with Inga boxes
WiteDragon [3k\]: any suggestions for w here?
Vainn6768: tenuki
snowmen [4d\]: White can compromise, because he is way ahead
noob1d [5d?\]: not
bozboy204 [5k\]: a white tenuki would potentially mean the entire right side dies, I think white has to answer this
]
;W[rl]
;B[rk]
;W[qk]
;B[pl]
;W[rj]
;B[rm]
;W[sk]C[KBAC [2d\]: trade
York [9d?\]: is this a "compromise"?
WiteDragon [3k\]: ok for b i think
]
;B[qn]
;W[ok]C[WiteDragon [3k\]: hurts w bottom potential
bozboy204 [5k\]: n5 is getting to be pretty big for both players?
snowmen [4d\]: enough for white
noob1d [5d?\]: nice sente for b
noob1d [5d?\]: currently w+15
noob1d [5d?\]: b will need very good yose
York [9d?\]: no yose can do that at this playiing level...
snowy [1k\]: go ilya ! ! ! !
WiteDragon [3k\]: +15, really?
WiteDragon [3k\]: how much you count on bottom?
]
;B[bk]
;W[bl]
;B[aj]C[noob1d [5d?\]: b s15 very big
]
;W[hl]C[York [9d?\]: b in big trouble
WiteDragon [3k\]: generally or locally?
noob1d [5d?\]: both
York [9d?\]: if w wins, this is the game setting move
WiteDragon [3k\]: why? because b has to live now and w can take the cash?
EGC2015b [-\]: b 35 min left, w 63 min left
snowmen [4d\]: Black dying big?
highhand [5k\]: b h10 not work?
WiteDragon [3k\]: h19 is life, no?
snowmen [4d\]: h19 life in gote
WiteDragon [3k\]: yes, so he's not dying big
]
;B[kk]
;W[ji]
;B[ii]C[snowmen [4d\]: ko, ko, kokakobana
noob1d [5d?\]: b welcomes ko
WiteDragon [3k\]: i do'nt see waht the ko does, only one eye for b there anyway, right?
Grunman [8k\]: looks like w doesn't need ko
snowmen [4d\]: k7 now
WiteDragon [3k\]: yeah k7 seems to seal the deal
]
;W[lk]
;B[ll]
;W[km]C[noob1d [5d?\]: boom
]
;B[jm]C[x0000 [-\]: big ko?
rf85 [1k\]: j8?
ThiGar [4k\]: b j11 group looks quite heavy to me. Initial j17 move should have been left as aji.
]
;W[jn]
;B[kl]C[ThiGar [4k\]: b H10 lives, doesn't it?
]
;W[al]C[Luxure [-\]: It does, but there are more positive ways to lose the game.
]
;B[kn]
;W[ko]C[eleven21: b h10 is a kind of "please don't kill me" move. i don't want to play it
]
;B[lm]C[ThiGar [4k\]: but aren't settling moves urgent?
]
;W[es]C[WiteDragon [3k\]: there's more ways to settle
WiteDragon [3k\]: h19 also lives
]
;B[ds]
;W[fs]C[Shedal [?\]: dependson what you're settling for
WiteDragon [3k\]: living in gote always bad
noob1d [5d?\]: b is thinking "why didn't i play f1 "
]
;B[bs]C[Shedal [?\]: did he have sente for that?
]
;W[sm]C[noob1d [5d?\]: w winning BIG
WiteDragon [3k\]: taking all the big yose
]
;B[pm]
;W[so]C[noob1d [5d?\]: q7 ? wat
noob1d [5d?\]: w+20
mdew: b can resign
fdhd44: permit w p8 too dangerous
]
;B[mk]C[noob1d [5d?\]: b needs to save q11 
flobby [-\]: does j10 not work?
noob1d [5d?\]: it's a ko
noob1d [5d?\]: and even if w wins ko, b can still live
noob1d [5d?\]: there's no point in w playing the ko, especially as he is leading by so much
mnbvcx: o10
flobby [-\]: so how does b live? is it really obvious or is it a tesuji
fdhd44: Alex can trick IIja in the end...
]
;W[nj]
;B[jo]
;W[in]C[bluetable [-\]: the players aren't blue enough!
mnbvcx: and k 5 big move for w
noob1d [5d?\]: j10 h11 one eye h10 h19 g19 k18 another eye
AttoFaas [1k\]: flobby b can make gote eye on top
flobby [-\]: i don't see it =/
mnbvcx: b l4
WiteDragon [3k\]: copy the board and play the sequence, it's pretty obvious
PlaySlow [10k\]: Just download the sgf mate and play it out:)
noob1d [5d?\]: m3 
noob1d [5d?\]: b needs to play something that at least looks like a tesuji
WiteDragon [3k\]: lol
darkronin [2k?\]: i think the point being that H19 is B sente 
darkronin [2k?\]: without H19 sente there is no eye on top
flobby [-\]: but is h19 really sente
WiteDragon [3k\]: yeah
flobby [-\]: i think w can win the race or at least ko
noob1d [5d?\]: considering you have to win the ko
WiteDragon [3k\]: ah, so
noob1d [5d?\]: do you think w would risk losing e17 
]
;B[lp]C[noob1d [5d?\]: nice
darkronin [2k?\]: this hurts
]
;W[lo]C[flobby [-\]: i was just wondering whether j10 worked, and whether b had a tesuji to make life....
]
;B[mp]C[flobby [-\]: and so i guess the real answer is he doesn't, after all that roundabout.
Gambla1985 [24k?\]: does anybody knows how much thinking time is left??
darkronin [2k?\]: how many points was M4 worth? 
Trucmuch [3d\]: l2 ?
noob1d [5d?\]: is n3 captured?
EGC2015b [-\]: b 20 min left, w 51 min left
Gambla1985 [24k?\]: thank you
]
;W[lr]C[noob1d [5d?\]: problem is w is leading by too much
noob1d [5d?\]: almost 30 points at this point
]
;B[re]
;W[rf]
;B[sd]C[darkronin [2k?\]: how is that a problem?
WiteDragon [3k\]: ilya gotten so strong
WiteDragon [3k\]: how to become euro 2p?
ghaele [3d?\]: hyeah no problem w is stronger so he win it just normal
darkronin [2k?\]: maybe they didn't think yet how to promote the european pros ^^
Hashirama [1k\]: >.>
wade [5d\]: o19?
mnbvcx: n15
Weishenme [4d\]: n18
bbred [3k\]: w l4?
WiteDragon [3k\]: doesn't matter waht he does, b can't come back from this
]
;W[oe]C[WiteDragon [3k\]: after w ignored n9, it was time to res imo
bbred [3k\]: its that obvoius ?
darkronin [2k?\]: didn't ignore, played the safer O10
noob1d [5d?\]: t14 
WiteDragon [3k\]: ok then after 010 :-)
]
;B[sf]
;W[rg]C[mnbvcx: n15 better
WiteDragon [3k\]: after he resisted it, is best expression maybe
bbred [3k\]: b m14?
noob1d [5d?\]: n18 
mnbvcx: b m14
PlaySlow [10k\]: Noob1d, white not m 19? Because it is gote?
PlaySlow [10k\]: M18*
Ikra [3k\]: m3 ?
WiteDragon [3k\]: 18 more points i think
WiteDragon [3k\]: n18
bbred [3k\]: b j7
snowy [1k\]: what happened what happened
gonzo [4d?\]: m3
snowy [1k\]: dinner time
WiteDragon [3k\]: stop
]
;B[lb]C[snowy [1k\]: w leading
noob1d [5d?\]: 10k sometimes stronger than 5d?
PlaySlow [10k\]: Lol:)
WiteDragon [3k\]: oh m18 for b
WiteDragon [3k\]: i thought for w
WiteDragon [3k\]: yeah why would b play n18?
noob1d [5d?\]: n6 
zima [1k\]: o2 
x54444 [2k\]: m19 and t3
]
;W[mo]C[highhand [5k\]: any chance for b to win?
noob1d [5d?\]: was thinking n5 could be better
]
;B[lf]
;W[me]C[PlaySlow [10k\]: Was about say n5 better? :p 
noob1d [5d?\]: m14 nice
PlaySlow [10k\]: Just kidding ofc
]
;B[le]
;W[lg]C[noob1d [5d?\]: should be easier to count now, let me see
]
;B[im]
;W[hn]C[noob1d [5d?\]: w+25 i think
mnbvcx: ерные должны защищать 04
namtg [2k\]: b cant win
mnbvcx: тогда б. n16
Azok [8k\]: да
alex12 [4d\]: i think w+ about 10 point
mnbvcx: то миаи
Grunman [8k\]: n14
noob1d [5d?\]: seems b will resign
Warfreak2 [-\]: shikshin for president
]
;B[no]
;W[kp]C[WiteDragon [3k\]: why no res?
PlaySlow [10k\]: Dinerc hopes maybe  ilya get disconnected in a non-internet game mb
]
;B[mf]C[cyclicrain [11k\]: never give up never surrender
Hartz4 [4k\]: resistance is futile
]
;W[nd]C[eleven21: perhaps b confirms that there aren't no chance anymore.
shayn [1d\]: w is leading?
snowmen [4d\]: w is winning
]
;B[sq]C[jlm [1k\]: Start the J10 ko?
snowmen [4d\]: t3 was best
WiteDragon [3k\]: w is winning, no need for the ko
]
;W[mb]C[alex12 [4d\]: no ko because black have 2 eye
]
;B[nb]C[WiteDragon [3k\]: we've been over this and could be captre race if w ignores h19
]
;W[la]C[bluetable [-\]: skillful tactics ;)
]
;B[mc]
;W[ma]
;B[nc]C[jlm [1k\]: Tx. Makes sense.
]
;W[hj]
;B[hi]
;W[gj]
;B[ro]
;W[sn]
;B[sp]
;W[lq]C[jlm [1k\]: H9 now?
jlm [1k\]: H19
mdm [4k\]: only if w cuts i think
]
;B[mj]
;W[ni]C[Cool [1k\]: b atack now? only
WiteDragon [3k\]: no just taking sente yose
]
;B[np]
;W[nr]C[bluetable [-\]: wth
PonnukiGo [2d\]: P1
jlm [1k\]: H19 maybe could be thought of as sentence insurance
jlm [1k\]: Sente
mnbvcx: w cut  j10
songokuss3 [2k\]: b is alive already
]
;B[os]C[PonnukiGo [2d\]: Yey
]
;W[nq]C[miroko [7k\]: w j10, black play in k18, 
Cool [1k\]: конец игры))
]
;B[oq]C[mnbvcx: l11 cente
flobby [-\]: k18 doesn't work miroko
jlm [1k\]: Duh. I need coffee. Sorry
flobby [-\]: its about k19
]
;W[lj]C[snowy [1k\]: i ate and all and they still playing D:
]
;B[jb]
;W[ka]
;B[jc]
;W[kd]C[liusasori [3d\]: they are eating stones
snowy [1k\]: w+++++++++++++++++++
]
;B[ha]
;W[ga]C[EGC2015b [-\]: b 1 min left, w 40 min left
PonnukiGo [2d\]: J9
]
;B[ns]
;W[ms]
;B[ep]
;W[eo]C[liusasori [3d\]: lol w played so fast !
PlaySlow [10k\]: Ilya may go for a lunch and come back 30 minutes later for ultimate humiliation?
snowy [1k\]: lol
PonnukiGo [2d\]: F10
Luxure [-\]: Ilya is just about to be done with breakfast.
EGC2015b [-\]: black in byoyomi
snowy [1k\]: lol
]
;B[nl]
;W[na]
;B[oa]C[miroko [7k\]: whats the byo yome ?
]
;W[mn]C[PlaySlow [10k\]: 1 min x 5
mdm [4k\]: 3x 1min
PlaySlow [10k\]: Hmm 3?
]
;B[rn]
;W[sl]C[Grunman [8k\]: Playslow, they are in one club
mnbvcx: w +10
PlaySlow [10k\]: True, i forget that Grunman
]
;B[cl]C[mdm [4k\]: 3 according to the rules page
]
;W[cm]C[PlaySlow [10k\]: Ok mdm;)
Hartz4 [4k\]: preparing resign
PonnukiGo [2d\]: Кто белый
PonnukiGo [2d\]: ?
highhand [5k\]: past resign time all ago?
Cool [1k\]: не знаю
ngarry [-\]: Шикшин
Mukti [3d\]: Shikshin.
]
;B[dl]
;W[dm]C[Cool [1k\]: но играет хорошо
snowy [1k\]: the vid broadcast is over T.T
]
;B[fj]C[noob1d [5d?\]: f10 
]
;W[el]
;B[fi]C[Hashirama [1k\]: it is?
notevenbad [-\]: nice by diner
]
;W[sg]C[bbred [3k\]: bad dinner
snowy [1k\]: must.........points...........
snowy [1k\]: nowp not enuf
]
;B[se]
;W[nk]C[Grunman [8k\]: o6?
]
;B[pk]
;W[pj]
;B[fl]C[songokuss3 [2k\]: o14 
]
;W[fm]C[bbred [3k\]: closenss of game, insult or honour?
]
;B[ml]
;W[nn]
;B[on]
;W[ak]C[noob1d [5d?\]: w+15
Grunman [8k\]: why so big? b doing well yose
]
;B[bj]C[snowy [1k\]: w insults all his opponents xD
Grunman [8k\]: which way?
]
;W[nf]
;B[mg]
;W[ng]
;B[mh]
;W[mi]C[bbred [3k\]: h7
snowy [1k\]: lol the board is empty in the vid
]
;B[hm]
;W[gm]C[snowy [1k\]: they are reviewing i think
]
;B[md]
;W[ne]C[PonnukiGo [2d\]: B19
]
;B[ik]
;W[od]
;B[pb]
;W[ap]
;B[aq]C[storn [3k\]: j8 
]
;W[ja]C[Grunman [8k\]: e16
cucaiduong [1k\]: time to res?
WiteDragon [3k\]: lol
storn [3k\]: e16 is nothing
WiteDragon [3k\]: no res coming or would have happen,ed 30 minutes ago
]
;B[il]
;W[ln]C[liusasori [3d\]: w+12.5
]
;B[nh]
;W[ia]
;B[oi]
;W[qg]C[Artjom [3k\]: wtf?
PonnukiGo [2d\]: J 10
WiteDragon [3k\]: res anyway?
]
;B[ba]C[liusasori [3d\]: Oo
]
;W[ki]
;B[ol]C[gofrit [1k\]: wtf
]
;W[oj]C[oned [1d\]: lol
]
;B[nm]C[storn [3k\]: j10??
PonnukiGo [2d\]: Mad
ladan [4k\]: J 10
Artjom [3k\]: lol moves?
liusasori [3d\]: lol w doesn't even play the ko cause he doesnt need$
]
;W[ij]C[Cool [1k\]: dead
Cool [1k\]: lol
storn [3k\]: 0_o
gofrit [1k\]: oO
Artjom [3k\]: loooool
storn [3k\]: omg
liusasori [3d\]: Oo
liusasori [3d\]: fatal error occured
vaurien [2k?\]: ...
mnbvcx: устали после 6 часов игры
Artjom [3k\]: nagibator mode on
AA [7k\]: ah, he swa it
Hellbaby [11k\]: ....................
ladan [4k\]: is this broadcast correct?
PonnukiGo [2d\]: Mb time
storn [3k\]: ohmy It happens!
HappyLook [5d\]: lol. just a place to resign
mnbvcx: Молодец Илья
rf85 [1k\]: что за бред? или типа так сдался?
Artjom [3k\]: mb stupid mistakes)
Grunman [8k\]: EGC, not a missclick?
Artjom [3k\]: бредит
notevenbad [-\]: he ''didn't see it''
Hashirama [1k\]: Black still has a chance
EGC2015b [-\]: W+R
WiteDragon [3k\]: why res now and not 30 minutesa go?
greenmoon: white could kill a move beofre
vaurien [2k?\]: O_O
liusasori [3d\]: Oo
EGC2015b [-\]: thanks for watching
vaurien [2k?\]: thx EGC O_O
fightback [3d\]: well, it was over anyway
darkronin [2k?\]: go Ilya! :D
mnbvcx: так и так проигрывал более 10 очков
Artjom [3k\]: что за хрень это была?
Cool [1k\]: нормальная ошибка дана
fightback [3d\]: thanks egc
storn [3k\]: thnks
liusasori [3d\]: b finally found a place to resign !
Artjom [3k\]: нормальная ошибка кю
Cool [1k\]: иногда в играх так даны ошибаются
Artjom [3k\]: ))))
snowy [1k\]:  : _)
storn [3k\]: thanks EGC
Cool [1k\]: ошибка дана
PonnukiGo [2d\]: Турнир на вылет?
storn [3k\]: thanks my mom.
storn [3k\]: thanks everyone I know
snowy [1k\]: go eat and drink and be merry egc
Cool [1k\]: даны так тоже ошибаются
eleven21: i guess it's not mistake. b has been waited for w j10 to resign
storn [3k\]: thanks god
Cool [1k\]: я думал илья сделает ко)
Artjom [3k\]: что-то я у Ли Сидоля таких ошибок не припомню
Cool [1k\]: а тут без ко обошлось
storn [3k\]: сидоль
storn [3k\]: сидоль, Карл!
Cool [1k\]: ну это разный уровень игры и мотивации
Artjom [3k\]: где такое у Сидоля было?
PonnukiGo [2d\]: Сидоля
storn [3k\]: Сидаля
Cool [1k\]: зато у динера было
Cool [1k\]: потеря концентрации
Artjom [3k\]: Динер must go on
Cool [1k\]: из за этого часто проигрывают
Artjom [3k\]: Go must flow
PonnukiGo [2d\]: Да норм игра была
IlyaVak [9k?\]: Куда черные до этого сыграли?
storn [3k\]: Go must Go on
Cool [1k\]: 3 хода черный пропустили мимо
Cool [1k\]: 3 хода на жизнь было
Artjom [3k\]: да вообще офигел
Artjom [3k\]: сдвиг по фазе)
storn [3k\]: да просто завтрак хотел достойно сдаться
storn [3k\]: чего вы на него накинулись
Artjom [3k\]: так-то Dinner = ужин
rf85 [1k\]: я тоже считаю что это такой вариант сдаться
storn [3k\]: ну он у нас завтрак)
storn [3k\]: ибо на кгс он breakfash
storn [3k\]: st
Artjom [3k\]: а в реале Динер
Artjom [3k\]: ))))))))))))))))
storn [3k\]: вот так всегда
storn [3k\]: в интере типа такой завтрак
host [7k\]: любой может ошибиться
storn [3k\]: а как встретишься в реале... а 
Cool [1k\]: илья сильно вырос в игре) пока другие учили фусеки и джосеки илья решал задачи
host [7k\]: а ник или имя тут точно не при чем
storn [3k\]: хостик
Artjom [3k\]: Илья вырос очень, согласен
IlyaVak [9k?\]: И за последние 2 года еще вырос?
storn [3k\]: я сегодня дважды разгромно проиграл
storn [3k\]: сегодня не мой день*
Artjom [3k\]: за последние два и вырос
Artjom [3k\]: походу только задачи и поднимают уровень
host [7k\]: зато мы имели счастье лицезреть две изумительные партии^^
IlyaVak [9k?\]: А еще учеба в Корее
Artjom [3k\]: Илья разве учился в Корее?
host [7k\]: а еще есть волшебное слово "целеустремленность"
highhand [5k\]: b not resigned?
IlyaVak [9k?\]: Учился, год примерно в сумме.
Artjom [3k\]: хз короч, Динер тоже учился и больше года даже, чет не помогло стать супермега)
PonnukiGo [2d\]: Илья еще никому не проиграл на турнире?
IlyaVak [9k?\]: нет, тут табличка http://egc2015.cz/results/mainwall
IlyaVak [9k?\]: У Динера уже, наверно, возраст не тот для супер игры, а Илья в расцвете.
PonnukiGo [2d\]: О, а когда финал?
AlexOss [3k\]: полуфинал завтра, финал послезавтра
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