(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[3600]OT[15/300 Canadian]
GN[4th round - Paris Meijin]PW[Fan Hui]PB[Tormanen Antti]WR[8d]BR[7d]DT[2013-12-01]EV[Paris Meijin]RO[4th]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Matrok [4k\]: bonjour
FFGScribe [?\]: nous attendons l'arrivée d'antti
FFGScribe [?\]: waiting for antti
Hipparion [-\]: ca risque d'etre une sacree partie ca
Arnaud99 [4k\]: qui joue ?
Jethro [8k?\]: fan hui
Jethro [8k?\]: antti
Hipparion [-\]: contre un insei si je ne m'abuse
Jethro [8k?\]: anti tormanen
Jethro [8k?\]: un joueur français je crois
kingwithou [-\]: Finlandais..
FFGScribe [?\]: ok , they have to wait due to the leaver ( maybe other player vs fanhui or not)
xDragon [?\]: antti just recently hit 7d. wont be easy for him
FFGScribe [?\]: fan hui is 3/3 on victory
FFGScribe [?\]: antti Tormanen is 2/3
Terao2sei [8k\]: Il va pas faire long feu contre Fan hui
gogonuts [6d\]: fan hui was incredible yesterday against motoki
FFGScribe [?\]: dai junfu*
Eilinen [-\]: Yeah I wonder why they did not paired against that 5d who's got 3/3 too
FFGScribe [?\]: vs motoki
gogonuts [6d\]: ah, sry
Gardan [1d?\]: 3 players at 3/3
Terao2sei [8k\]: That's true Eilinen
Flo3600 [9k\]: d ailleurs il joue contre qui motoki et dai ?
Matrok [4k\]: Fan et Antti ont déjà joué l'un contre l'autre l'été dernier à Olsztyn (Pologne) lors du congrès Européen...
kingwithou [-\]: dai il doit jouer benjamin j'imagine
Terao2sei [8k\]: I think it's because of the system
FFGScribe [?\]: dai junfu vs ben0
Terao2sei [8k\]: Salut les amis ^^
gogonuts [6d\]: such a strong top field ...
Flo3600 [9k\]: ok
Terao2sei [8k\]: I remember there was a similir problem at the World amateur championship
Eilinen [-\]: Hm?
Terao2sei [8k\]: The way of the pairing was done
xDragon [?\]: theres still 1 more round by the way
gogonuts [6d\]: not playing twice against the same opponent trumps all other criteria
Gardan [1d?\]: I don't see any problem here .. if you have 3 persons at 3/3 then all can't play with other 3/3
Flo3600 [9k\]: la pendule a deja ete actionnée?
gogonuts [6d\]: but sometimes its not easy to tell if the pairing program did the best job possible ...
Krapsman [1k\]: Allez Fan gooo
Terao2sei [8k\]: that's true ^^
gogonuts [6d\]: that is also true, gardan - all players in the bar have to be treated equally
rkda [5k\]: it's just software...if you don't like the algorythm it uses...code up a different one and suggest using it instead
FFGScribe [?\]: ok its start
FFGScribe [?\]: sorry for the time
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;B[dc]
;W[pd]C[nhanh [2d\]: b should resign :)
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;B[cp]C[Arnaud99 [4k\]: antti b, fan w ?
nhanh [2d\]: go go antii
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;W[pq]
;B[qn]C[xDragon [?\]: yes arnaud
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;W[qp]C[nhanh [2d\]: no he just does not stand a chance
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;B[qk]C[gogonuts [6d\]: q3 - no mini or micro chinese pls
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;W[eq]C[gogonuts [6d\]: r6 is a pretty soft move for b ...
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;B[de]
;W[cl]C[gogonuts [6d\]: its also a type of confidence, trying to take the 8d into the endgame :-)
Golao [3k\]: w is 8d FFG ?
FFGScribe [?\]: yes
gogonuts [6d\]: this looks like b needs to protect at c12
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;B[dq]C[Golao [3k\]: ok, thought he was 7d : http://ffg.jeudego.org/php/affichePersonne.php?id=1508
klabauter [5d?\]: Go Antti! 
basilika: huge disappointment Antti lost against 5d :<
gogonuts [6d\]: not for the 5d
Gardan [1d?\]: yup :(
jaska: nhanh, Antti actually did very well against Fan Hui in egc
yinon [9k\]: what are their nicks on kgs?
xDragon [?\]: b is tien
xDragon [?\]: i think w is just fanhui
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;W[ep]C[yinon [9k\]: thx
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;B[cn]
;W[ci]C[klabauter [5d?\]: Antti has 7d rating since 6 tournaments
maxp73 [2d\]: how did b do to become an insei?
Terao2sei [8k\]: Yeah but he loses. Many pro says that even it's good to play well, the thing you need over all is to win.
jaska: well he was officially promoted to 7d just few weeks ago or so
gogonuts [6d\]: interesting c11
Terao2sei [8k\]: you can for few month
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;B[jq]C[Terao2sei [8k\]: you have to ask to nihonkiin.
Terao2sei [8k\]: or 1 year. After it depends on your resultats
Terao2sei [8k\]: results
klabauter [5d?\]: no user named nihonkiin on kgs
Sarkenge [1k\]: Fan a gagné contre Dai hier ?
Terao2sei [8k\]: hahaha
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;W[mq]C[gogonuts [6d\]: but with c13 continuation would have been harder for b
Flo3600 [9k\]: ils n'ont pas encore joué l'un contr el'autre...
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;B[nc]C[Terao2sei [8k\]: it's one of the Japanese pro federation
Lyart [7k?\]: Fan a battu sepulveda, je ne sais pas pour Dai
Sarkenge [1k\]: Ah d'accord, merci
Flo3600 [9k\]: c'était motoki vs dai et dai a gagné
gogonuts [6d\]: k3 was obviously a nice point
Koukkaaja [3d\]: klab, try twitter
FFGScribe [?\]: dai won motoki yesterday
Sarkenge [1k\]: Ouais, j'ai vu leur partie
Sarkenge [1k\]: Yes
Sarkenge [1k\]: Ty
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;W[qf]C[klabauter [5d?\]: thx Koukkaa
Ootakamoku [5d\]: I wouldnt say dai won.. more like slaughtered.
lobbt: uncle fucka
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;B[pb]C[carito [4k?\]: who is dai ?
FFGScribe [?\]: hmhm
Sarkenge [1k\]: Dai Junfu
Muttley [2k\]: aaaand you get a free couple of days from KGS
Sarkenge [1k\]: A great player
Sarkenge [1k\]: 8d
gogonuts [6d\]: the midnight game was incredible
Terao2sei [8k\]: est-ce que la partie de Motoki et de Dai est encore visible sur KGS ? 
FFGScribe [?\]: ty muttley 
gogonuts [6d\]: ok, it wasnt quite midnight :-)
Flo3600 [9k\]: Tera tu peux surment la revoir dans les partie de FFGSCribe
Flo3600 [9k\]: c'est la derniere (enfin l'avant dernière en comptant celle ci)
Terao2sei [8k\]: ah ok. Merci Flo ^^
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;W[qi]C[Ootakamoku [5d\]: r9 looks too weak to even consider playing m16 as b if w blocks the corner
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;B[qc]C[Lyart [7k?\]: h3 ?
Ootakamoku [5d\]: I dont get the latest exchange, this looks good for b, even tho r9 is weak now
klabauter [5d?\]: three corners will win?
Ootakamoku [5d\]: how is w going to take profit from r9 group?
gogonuts [6d\]: r11 is smaller than r17, but w wants pressure on the right, then pressure on the bottom
nhanh [2d\]: :) dream on
Ootakamoku [5d\]: going to try to kill k3?
Lyart [7k?\]: I think fan wants to kill K3
xDragon [?\]: a lot of low stones
nhanh [2d\]: yes press R6 then on k3
Lyart [7k?\]: maybe something like P6 or E6 ?
Ootakamoku [5d\]: h3 first maybe
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;W[jo]C[kingwithou [-\]: let's go ^^
Lyart [7k?\]: FIGHT
gogonuts [6d\]: r17 was really the common sense move for w imo, but that would have turned into an early endgame struggle
Hipparion [-\]: he doesn't want to kill k3
Lyart [7k?\]: A wild boshi appears
jaska: Oota, you know what Jeff would say about this move, right?
gogonuts [6d\]: w wanted more amusement
Hipparion [-\]: he wants to kill R6 :D
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;B[hp]C[Ootakamoku [5d\]: jaska, hmm, nothing comes to mind.
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;W[ho]C[jaska: unreasonable
Ootakamoku [5d\]: ok, I could see jeff saying that
gogonuts [6d\]: after r11 w had to start an attack, it was only a question of timing to attack the bottom or the right
OMG13: Oota: I am here :P
Ootakamoku [5d\]: lol, ok :)
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;B[go]C[gogonuts [6d\]: and he did not say it
Koukkaaja [3d\]: and cosmic pro would say "only move"
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;W[gp]C[Ootakamoku [5d\]: I wouldnt have been afraid to start this fight, would have tried treating k3 light
gogonuts [6d\]: antti never looks for trouble, but that doesnt mean he scares easily :-)
Golao [3k\]: will w let the ponnuki ? 
Golao [3k\]: ;p
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;B[hq]C[gogonuts [6d\]: basic shape is b h3, but this required some reading
gogonuts [6d\]: cant just play it because its shape in such a hot position
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;W[hn]C[kryft [1k\]: gogonuts, My understanding is that Antti feels that R6 is perfectly fine, not really soft or passive. I asked him about it recently when he recommended it to me during a lesson (I thought he might have recommended it to me because it's simple and I'm weak :D)
FFGScribe [?\]: its just common moves
Koukkaaja [3d\]: w plays fanny
gogonuts [6d\]: kryft, pros play it too, but almost always as w - as b the look for more momentum, usually
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;B[gn]C[kryft [1k\]: Right
carito [4k?\]: couldnt have r6 been played to avoid the pincer ?
kryft [1k\]: carito, Yes, that's the general idea
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;W[en]C[kryft [1k\]: gogonuts, I just got the impression that he's quite happy with the move in general (which I guess must be true since he played it here as black :P)
WandererBo [6d\]: r6 is a move that simplifies game and makes the komi seem bigger, that's why it's more common as w
kryft [1k\]: Sure
Koukkaaja [3d\]: He is just proving his point to u, kryft -a teaching game
WandererBo [6d\]: but if you are confident in your endgame more than your fighting, maybe its ok as b :)
kryft [1k\]: :D
Welvang [7d\]: bg ben
Ootakamoku [5d\]: w plan is to kill corner in retaliation?
OMG13: w is bluffing
Ootakamoku [5d\]: I guess w gets ont outside thickness too but..
Welvang [7d\]: un peu douteux ce fuseki
Terao2sei [8k\]: Welwang, tu veux dire pour blanc ou pour noir ?
FFGScribe [?\]: dai contre ben0 dai a utilisé 2 minutes et ben0 20 et ils ont joués environs45 coups
Welvang [7d\]: comme d'hab
Ootakamoku [5d\]: f4 f2 g3 d2 c2 b3 but.. the weakness at e5 will seem impossible for w if he tries to kill corner
FFGScribe [?\]: fan vs antii  15/15
Welvang [7d\]: la dernière fois dai avait eu très chaud contre ben, 4 points il me semble
Hipparion [-\]: go ben ! :)
Welvang [7d\]: non pas go ben non plus
Welvang [7d\]: sinon il me passe devant à l'échelle :p
Hipparion [-\]: go go go ben !
maxp73 [2d\]: il va se faire demonter ouais!
Golao [3k\]: question simple en apparence : f4 marche pour noir pour vivre, non ?
Hipparion [-\]: ;op
carito [4k?\]: qui est premier au classement en ce moment ?
Golao [3k\]: Fan
FFGScribe [?\]: un 1d
FFGScribe [?\]: :p
Flo3600 [9k\]: nan ben0
Golao [3k\]: ah pardon, je parlais de l'échelle FFG
kryft [1k\]: Golao, Yes, although it would damage the corner
carito [4k?\]: les resultats sont ils disponible sur un site ?
Welvang [7d\]: les 3 premiers sont fan>dai>motoki
Terao2sei [8k\]: est-ce que D7 pourait faire tres mal a blanc ?
kryft [1k\]: (Sorry, I don't really speak French, but I understand a little :)
jwc [-\]: f4 g7
Golao [3k\]: Your french speaking is fine kryft, no worry, and ty for the explanation ;) 
Loubet [2d\]: http://jerome.hubert1.perso.sfr.fr/Go/Act/Meijin2013/PMeijin2013-A_Standings.htmlhttp://jerome.hubert1.perso.sfr.fr/Go/Act/Meijin2013/PMeijin2013-A_Standings.html
Welvang [7d\]: un peu long ce lien :)
gogonuts [6d\]: b f4 looks a little strange, but it does capture, after all ...
Loubet [2d\]: Wje peux le mettre plus court, mais ça n'"'ira nulle aprt
PauGo [?\]: sorry, who are the players ? i'm using phone app
theworld [3d\]: a quand le fan vs dai ?
Lesmian [2d?\]: white is Fan Hui, black is Antti Tormanen
gogonuts [6d\]: fan hui w, antti tormänen b
PauGo [?\]: Nice !
PauGo [?\]: thank you
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;B[gm]C[Loubet [2d\]: g3 ?
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;W[gq]C[SirEttin [1d\]: who r playing here?
Ootakamoku [5d\]: really want to hear the sequence that made antti choose this
zudko [6k\]: tormanen c'est qui sur kgs?
Ootakamoku [5d\]: tien
FFGScribe [?\]: tien
carito [4k?\]: Lesmian [2d?\]: white is Fan Hui, black is Antti Tormanen
SirEttin [1d\]: thx
Terao2sei [8k\]: Je c pas hakinen ? lol
Terao2sei [8k\]: Bonne blague, hein zud ? ^^
]
;B[em]
;W[dr]C[Ootakamoku [5d\]: so w still owes a move or two to take care of h3 stones, in the meanwhilte b gets center thickness and c11 potential attack target
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;B[cr]
;W[dn]C[OfficeBar [2k\]: might f2 have been better? or two passive?
gogonuts [6d\]: wow, antti played the awesome g7
OfficeBar [2k\]: too* passive
Pliniofilo [2d\]: sal pour anti quand même, il perd une partie, ça lui donne le droit de jouer contre fan :)
Ootakamoku [5d\]: difficult to imagine there would be a choice here
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;B[dm]
;W[cm]
;B[co]C[Pliniofilo [2d\]: sale*
PauGo [?\]: b aim at moves like f7 maybe
nhanh [2d\]: w wants f7
Ootakamoku [5d\]: w cut at f7 is interesting, but first ofcourse d4
WandererBo [6d\]: hmm c5 quietens f7 but as d4 wakes it up again maybe b6 was possible instead?
godalf [8k\]: whos attackin who
Ootakamoku [5d\]: this does gain some small benefit in semeai against g3, which might eventually appear 
sigmundur [3k\]: L4
Nick23 [1k\]: It's a 'running fight'
Ootakamoku [5d\]: but ya, c5 is a bit odd
godalf [8k\]: d5
godalf [8k\]: ?
Ootakamoku [5d\]: there is ofcourse the crazy choice of ignoring w d4
PauGo [?\]: considering liberties c5 looks better
WandererBo [6d\]: yeah.. it is quite crazy tho :) maybe d4 can be answered d9? :p
Ootakamoku [5d\]: actually, in many gays g5 stones are more important than the corner stones
FFGScribe [?\]: dai 3 minutes ben0 35
mameushkra [3k\]: D4 and F7?
theworld [3d\]: hein dai a utilisé que 3 minutes ? =o
x0000 [-\]: «in many gays» lol
Nick23 [1k\]: he means ways
jaska: oh, really?
Ootakamoku [5d\]: ya, g and w are right next to each other on the keyboard
Koukkaaja [3d\]: in many gays stones are not that important
FFGScribe [?\]: ...
xDragon [?\]: stones would be important
mameushkra [3k\]: with gays stones too much warikomi..
FFGScribe [?\]: sigh
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;W[dp]C[bfm [-\]: Fan fait quelle tête ? il a l'air satisfait ?
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;B[dk]C[Nick23 [1k\]: Wanderer called it
xDragon [?\]: speaking of the crazy option
FFGScribe [?\]: -___- #
FFGScribe [?\]: ce genre la
theworld [3d\]: xD
Lyart [7k?\]: donc il est content
Lesmian [2d?\]: d9 is so nice
bfm [-\]: lol
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;W[ck]C[Welvang [7d\]: d9 is not nice, d9 is sente that's all
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;B[cq]C[Lesmian [2d?\]: sente is nice then
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;W[fr]C[Welvang [7d\]: well, if atari is nice for you, good
xDragon [?\]: we love atari
bokito [2d\]: if it's sente it must be good
WandererBo [6d\]: it's a necessary bodge
Lesmian [2d?\]: i live for atari
nuubcakes [?\]: I can never find moves like d9
Nick23 [1k\]: but how does it protect the cut at f7
Nick23 [1k\]: I don't see it
FFGScribe [?\]: b look around k3
WandererBo [6d\]: f7 f8 f6 g9 
Lesmian [2d?\]: i would not find d9 too
storm3001 [2k\]: why is d9 special
Nick23 [1k\]: That running fight is good for black?
Ootakamoku [5d\]: position looks good for b
WandererBo [6d\]: there is aji at b9/b11 cuts if w runs
AltTab [2d\]: with R9 and K6 stones, it looks good for white to me...
Nick23 [1k\]: ok
Phicron [3k\]: bonjour, quelqu'un sait qui joue contre Dai ? ben0 ?
Terao2sei [8k\]: But white is qlive so I would say it's b is not superior at this time
kingwithou [-\]: Oui Phicron c'est ça
mameushkra [3k\]: with has burried himself....to attack K3?
Phicron [3k\]: oki
AltTab [2d\]: black has three unsettled groups...
Ootakamoku [5d\]: w paid in advance for this attack, he paid for it in topright
WandererBo [6d\]: i like w too,this move is nice and patient
Welvang [7d\]: et contre qui joue césar ?
FFGScribe [?\]: dailleur  dai  a 4 minutes et ben0 a 45
Ootakamoku [5d\]: now it doesnt look like w has any profit, and might be himself under attack
Phicron [3k\]: bon espérons une petite finale Dai contre Fan
theworld [3d\]: oui
Flo3600 [9k\]: oula dai a utilisé 4 min ou il ne lui reste plus que 4 min ?
Flo3600 [9k\]: oO
AltTab [2d\]: how to attack white ?
Phicron [3k\]: a utilisé, forcément x)
Flo3600 [9k\]: ah ouf me disait bien xD
Loubet [2d\]: Dai ne serait peut-être pas mécontent de voir Anti gagner...
theworld [3d\]: ben  oui c'est dai quand même xD
Ootakamoku [5d\]: m4 would be too crude?
WandererBo [6d\]: antti considering h2? would be v bold..
Flo3600 [9k\]: mais dans ça phrase notre ffgscribe n'es tpas très claire :p
elianovici [1d\]: h2
bistrogo [3d\]: I don't think so Ootamaku
Pingu007 [3d\]: et que donne la partie entre dai et ben (excepté le temps)
AltTab [2d\]: M4 would be what white is hoping for..
bistrogo [3d\]: looks like three weak group for balck
Muttley [2k\]: b has to get out somehow, else no attack
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;B[lq]C[bistrogo [3d\]: one for white
FFGScribe [?\]: je ne regarde pas , je suis concentré sur fan et antti
Welvang [7d\]: dai économise du temps au cas où il recevrait un appel
Pingu007 [3d\]: ok
Muttley [2k\]: bistrogo, isn't that fluid because of the question of who gets sente on the right
AltTab [2d\]: black has to settle...
Ootakamoku [5d\]: I dont think w has options to ask any questions such as q8 etc now
Ootakamoku [5d\]: the h5 stones are way too important
Nick23 [1k\]: If you are a strong attacking player, you might like white here. For me, I never know how to handle such positions. So I'm happy to watch 8d attack
Muttley [2k\]: I agree, Oota, that's why I'm saying, its not so cut and dried
AltTab [2d\]: yes h5 stones are
bistrogo [3d\]: It seems to be black who will have no time after h2
FFGScribe [?\]: dai est deja au tel
FFGScribe [?\]: il sms
bistrogo [3d\]: ^^
Phicron [3k\]: ahah ^^
ronnyss [6k\]: something like j8 may be?
maxp73 [2d\]: lol
Ootakamoku [5d\]: getting help from lee sedol?
Phicron [3k\]: doesn't need help
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;W[hr]C[fab [4d\]: nope, helping Lee Sedol
Phicron [3k\]: yep
theworld [3d\]: xD
Muttley [2k\]: its ok, he's texting me
Nick23 [1k\]: this move is interesting, should black have taken h2 before?
Muttley [2k\]: I'm explaining to him the rules on ko
Muttley [2k\]: again.
Koukkaaja [3d\]: i hope u got them right
Muttley [2k\]: we shall see :)
WandererBo [6d\]: if h2 was reasonable he should have :)
WandererBo [6d\]: but i guess he decided it wasn't
AltTab [2d\]: K4...
Nick23 [1k\]: so do white and black disagree about h2?
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;B[lp]C[Ootakamoku [5d\]: hmm, was expecting m5, but this looks much better
WandererBo [6d\]: well maybe after an exchange like m4 n4, h2 would become reasonable
WandererBo [6d\]: so maybe they both played correct :p (or not)
]
;W[il]C[Ootakamoku [5d\]: I would be awfully tempted to play something like o5 or m6 here
WandererBo [6d\]: o5 feels a bit too in the middle of the sea
Ootakamoku [5d\]: but I cant see an attack on h6 in the foreseeable future, so I feel priority is to avoid splitting attack between the bottom and right side black groups
AltTab [2d\]: p5 maybe ?
Ootakamoku [5d\]: g7 not very valuable right now
WandererBo [6d\]: it has some value in keeping h5 not strong
Welvang [7d\]: ils sont bien bavards...
WandererBo [6d\]: i think w would enjoy playing g9 if he got the chance
Arnaud99 [4k\]: who dai is playing against ?
Welvang [7d\]: ben0
Phicron [3k\]: benjamin
Arnaud99 [4k\]: thx
Ootakamoku [5d\]: wanderer, ok, but it would be a small scale capture, no?
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;B[di]C[Muttley [2k\]: Remember the saying: a weak group between two of the opponent's weak groups is a strong group
WandererBo [6d\]: the capture is small, but making h5 invincible is big
Ootakamoku [5d\]: hmm, looks like b aiming to play j10 or so
]
;W[dh]C[Muttley [2k\]: therefore, b's priority is to strengthen his two weak groups
]
;B[ei]C[theworld [3d\]: 3 week group no ? i dont think r9 is  safe
FFGScribe [?\]: they said he has japanese style, then u see
theworld [3d\]: *weak
]
;W[cg]C[Muttley [2k\]: I'm talking locally at the moment
Ootakamoku [5d\]: so, j10 now?
carito [2k?\]: no, you are talking to people all around the world at the moment
Welvang [7d\]: pour l'instant le résultat est catastrophique pour noir
]
;B[ij]C[kryft [1k\]: This looks difficult for black, but I'm always confused by positions like this :)
theworld [3d\]: xD jsuis d'accord avec tanguy
Oloril [-\]: He's talking locally and typing globally
AltTab [2d\]: nice call
carito [2k?\]: you got me :(
Muttley [2k\]: j10 is a move I would make with a heavy heart
kryft [1k\]: Muttley, Why specifically?
PauGo [?\]: c13 is good for white
carito [2k?\]: je compte 31.5 points pour blanc, j'ai juste ?
Muttley [2k\]: because although it is right from the direction from the top, and limits white's 4 stones, it has an effect on the bottom group and right group
Muttley [2k\]: which seem pretty delicate to me, still
carito [2k?\]: pardon, 37.5
Ootakamoku [5d\]: I consider j10 a very happy move, its where b wants to have a stone, question for me was, could I prepare enough in sente to be able to play j10
]
;W[on]C[WandererBo [6d\]: p4 tooooo shiny
Muttley [2k\]: so the "locally" shifts to the right, where the stones are weaker
Ootakamoku [5d\]: m6
Ootakamoku [5d\]: or go wild and play l9
Muttley [2k\]: I agree, Oota, its about the effect on the other stones that concerns me
carito [2k?\]: how many points do you count both player have ?
]
;B[mn]C[theworld [3d\]: dont counts points we will counts how many dead stones black have sooner x)
Loubet [2d\]: is j2 sente for black ?
Ootakamoku [5d\]: loubet, no
Welvang [7d\]: yes loubet
]
;W[kl]C[Welvang [7d\]: but that wouldn't be a good idea
Ootakamoku [5d\]: what? how?
Welvang [7d\]: of course it is sente, cutting stone on the only group unstable..
]
;B[ml]C[kryft [1k\]: Muttley, Right
Ootakamoku [5d\]: black j2..
FFGScribe [?\]: apparemment a fini la partie?
FFGScribe [?\]: sans ?
Welvang [7d\]: ah ok, I meant for white ofc
Ootakamoku [5d\]: ah, then I can understand :)
FFGScribe [?\]: motoki**
]
;W[kj]C[Muttley [2k\]: also, J10, nice stone though it is, is still somewhat thin
Welvang [7d\]: well, if w doesn't answer j2, it's still a ko
WandererBo [6d\]: starting to look like dot go
kryft [1k\]: Muttley, Yes, the shape looks difficult
WandererBo [6d\]: j10 is light
kryft [1k\]: Muttley, This is the kind of position where I have a 90% chance of losing the game on every move
Muttley [2k\]: so, from white's point of view, white's trying to manage the group without helping b
Muttley [2k\]: hehehe, you and me both
Muttley [2k\]: but what we don't have access to is Antti's reading and ability to assess the balance/safety of the groups in question
kryft [1k\]: Sure
Ootakamoku [5d\]: j12 first instinct move
kryft [1k\]: Hence I'm just confused and mostly ignore my impressions, since I might as well be 20 kyu ;)
Muttley [2k\]: Oota, does it feel like a running fight to you?
dauuuy: i prefer l11
Ootakamoku [5d\]: mut, sure
Muttley [2k\]: right
WandererBo [6d\]: i like n10 :p
dauuuy: eurogo?
Muttley [2k\]: Otake principle (number 2): Always strengthen the weakest group first
Ootakamoku [5d\]: shapewise j10 looks in danger
Ootakamoku [5d\]: like it needs support
]
;B[op]C[kryft [1k\]: Interesting
Muttley [2k\]: b;s decided he's not dying with the left centre group :)
Ootakamoku [5d\]: well, takes some epic skills to die with the group, more question of what is left of the topside after he is done living with it
Flo3600 [9k\]: il reste quoi comme temps là ?
WandererBo [6d\]: hmm this seems less interesting after n6 and n8 on board
Kettu [4d\]: attack is the best attack
bfm [-\]: j'ai l'impression que blanc est mal...
Ootakamoku [5d\]: tho maybe move around g9 and e12 are miai?
kryft [1k\]: Kettu, Finnish proverb
Pingu007 [3d\]: c parce que tu regardes trop la télé ca bfm
Pingu007 [3d\]: ;)
FFGScribe [?\]: temps utilisé: fan 27 et antti 38
Flo3600 [9k\]: ok merci vaan ;)
bfm [-\]: ^^
Arnaud99 [4k\]: bluetable sould complete his data base with your comments
Ootakamoku [5d\]: p4 feels like trying to get early yose in, while stabilizing group
kryft [1k\]: Can white ignore p4?
]
;W[oq]C[Ootakamoku [5d\]: from an l&d perspective, sure
]
;B[mp]C[FFGScribe [?\]: fan etonné
kryft [1k\]: Yeah, I meant overall
PauGo [?\]: avec qui jouait motoki cette ronde ?
WandererBo [6d\]: if he has something cool to play he can, but it is v big
Ootakamoku [5d\]: hard to say, had very big fillows that couldnt be ignored from L&D reasons
Ootakamoku [5d\]: followups*
kryft [1k\]: Ok, that was my impression too, thanks
kryft [1k\]: I just wasn't sure whether white would have a sufficiently severe move against the center group that the tenuki would be worth it
WandererBo [6d\]: well black's weak groups are starting to look ok
kryft [1k\]: Right, I guess the center group isn't that weak if you don't need to worry about anything else
Koukkaaja [3d\]: so, k5 was unreasonable :)
Muttley [2k\]: well. as white I would want N10 here :))
Muttley [2k\]: but there is probably a more stylish tesuji locally for w to sort out the stones
Ootakamoku [5d\]: n10 looks like wrong direciton I think
PauGo [?\]: It's a shisho mutt
Ootakamoku [5d\]: n10 is like attacking n8, and thats not.. urm.. feasible
Ootakamoku [5d\]: invasion at top if w feels he is behind
]
;W[nq]C[Ootakamoku [5d\]: if not play something like k13 maybe
Muttley [2k\]: where's the shisho, PauGo?
Muttley [2k\]: I want N10 to broaden the white group, just to strengthen it, it still feels insecure to me
]
;B[jh]C[Ootakamoku [5d\]: mut, but if thats what you want do, then you should jump in a usefull direction
Ootakamoku [5d\]: dont approach something where b has just spent gote to fix
FFGScribe [?\]: il reste 5 minutes a ben0 et dai a utilisé 10!
Muttley [2k\]: did B take gote?
Ootakamoku [5d\]: n10 is almost like playing too close to thickness, not usefull investment, unles syou honestly think you can attack the b group
]
;W[kh]C[Ootakamoku [5d\]: mut, not in this scenario, but you want to skip the w move on the bottom, no?
]
;B[kg]C[Welvang [7d\]: enfin ça se trouve dai se fait défoncer
]
;W[lh]C[Muttley [2k\]: I can see your point concerning efficiency
PauGo [?\]: i was just looking at white shape, it looks like a giant shisho... just forget it :)
Muttley [2k\]: ah right, thanks :))
Muttley [2k\]: one of the 130 moves treasure chest enigma shisho problems :)
Muttley [2k\]: where it is the stone at Q18 that makes it work at the end :))
]
;B[ji]C[Ootakamoku [5d\]: I would have wanted to play j14 as black, despite not being able to find any logical support for the move (instead of k11)
]
;W[lj]C[Ootakamoku [5d\]: f13 for greedy?
kryft [1k\]: So what do you think about the position now? I kind of like black unless there's a huge weakness in one of the shapes that I'm missing (seems likely :P)
Muttley [2k\]: I still wouldn't call black's stones in the lower centre and right settled
PauGo [?\]: p6 still has a strange aji
Kettu [4d\]: to me it feels the latest 3 exchanges clearly favoured black
Muttley [2k\]: but black's result feels good to me
sigmundur [3k\]: everything around G9 looks like a E_GAPING_SECURITY_HOLE
kryft [1k\]: Muttley, I'm horrible at evaluating shapes like these
Welvang [7d\]: p5 
Ootakamoku [5d\]: sigmundur, those stones are not very interesting anymore, all groups relating to them are secured
Muttley [2k\]: I say with absolute authority, it's possible to die here as black :))
Kettu [4d\]: i think p4 was clever for b
kryft [1k\]: sigmundur, Well Black could sacrifice something around there at this point since M10 is strong
Ootakamoku [5d\]: so b could have lots of choices in how to handle any attacking in that area
Kettu [4d\]: if it really allowed the center stones to be played
]
;B[pi]C[Welvang [7d\]: cte flood
bert [?\]: bah, muttley, your authority here is not absolute
jicege [1k\]: Oh, habile !
Muttley [2k\]: it is because I've died with groups like this :)
bert [?\]: :-)
kryft [1k\]: Is black trying to put some pressure on the center group, or just trying to guard against some P6 aji in sente?
Luffyy [3d\]: où en est le temps ?
Phicron [3k\]: pas mal de nuages
theworld [3d\]: lol
Welvang [7d\]: ça doit être 30min fan plus que 15 pour antti jpense
PauGo [?\]: white has more cash atm, but top potential is very very interesting for b. 
FFGScribe [?\]: 36 fan et 45 antti
Ootakamoku [5d\]: this mgiht add some pressure on the center group, but I think its just as much about reduce aji of p6 stone
FFGScribe [?\]: d'utilisé
Luffyy [3d\]: ça va etre dur pour anti, on a l'impression que la partie va encore durer longtemps
Luffyy [3d\]: merci
Welvang [7d\]: ui
Welvang [7d\]: mais j'ai l'impression qu'il ne se passe rien dans cette partie
jicege [1k\]: allez, un peu de guitare :)
Luffyy [3d\]: j'ai hate de voir le combat (peut etre) au nord
Welvang [7d\]: du coup je comprends pas pourquoi les gens commentent autant
F525 [1d\]: Only 60 min per player?
Welvang [7d\]: c'est assez pénible d'ailleurs
Ootakamoku [5d\]: what is the byoyomi?
Luffyy [3d\]: ^^
FFGScribe [?\]: comparé a ton style aussi...
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;W[ol]C[Luffyy [3d\]: ah ouais quand même !
PauGo [?\]: oyo
Ootakamoku [5d\]: and w resistance is to not let go of p6 aji :P
bert [?\]: ah ah
F525 [1d\]: That move's 2strong4me.
F525 [1d\]: Stong.*
theworld [3d\]: here we go
Welvang [7d\]: le problème vient de r17
]
;B[qh]C[Loubet [2d\]: Welwang ne s'est pas remis de sa dernire défaite peut-être
Ootakamoku [5d\]: oh wow.. all-in
Welvang [7d\]: il aurait mieux fallu jouer un coup comme h4 à la place
Ootakamoku [5d\]: so rly, what is the byoyomi in this tournament?
Loubet [2d\]: ça le rend un peu amer
Welvang [7d\]: je ne connais pas ce welwang, et je vois pas le rapport
kryft [1k\]: It doesn't seem impossible for black to live locally on the bottom, although it certainly doesn't seem impossible to die either :P
kryft [1k\]: Why does this game have to be so hard
Kettu [4d\]: :)
Luffyy [3d\]: It seems impossible for b to die here
]
;W[nk]C[Welvang [7d\]: j'dirais pas ça luffyy :)
Kettu [4d\]: impossible is a strong word
Luffyy [3d\]: on verra =)
Welvang [7d\]: impossible n'est pas français
Ootakamoku [5d\]: quels paramètres en tournoi temps?
Welvang [7d\]: et maintenant qu'il est français
FFGScribe [?\]: luffy arrete pour qu'il continue a s'ennuyer
kryft [1k\]: Welvang, Haha
Luffyy [3d\]: qui scribe ?
Muttley [2k\]: its becoming too big to discard
PauGo [?\]: r10 still here for w so i really dislike it for b :/
AltTab [2d\]: to me, black lost the pace...
Muttley [2k\]: I like p5 for b to connect the groups 
Ootakamoku [5d\]: I would have close to zero confidence in killing that b group
bert [?\]: yes, me 2
Ootakamoku [5d\]: I think more likely f7 stones will die
Welvang [7d\]: t'inquiète ffgscribe, je te laisse au magnifique flood de ootakamoku
Muttley [2k\]: Welvang, use censor :)
Terao2sei [8k\]: noir a une chance de vivre ?
F525 [1d\]: I don't see how p5 connects the groups, would you give me a sequence?
Welvang [7d\]: oh right, thanks muttley
Luffyy [3d\]: la question est : blanc a-t-il une chance de tuer ?
Welvang [7d\]: je pense que oui Luffyy
Muttley [2k\]: np, its a simple solution if you don't want to see a user's comments :)
theworld [3d\]: c fan quand même
Terao2sei [8k\]: Je vois.
Luffyy [3d\]: mais ce serait triste !
Muttley [2k\]: you can always take it off again later, of course
Welvang [7d\]: r12 ça m'a l'air bien overplau
Ootakamoku [5d\]: I think he might be happy with just fire and forget :)
Welvang [7d\]: mais si ça marche ça ferait mal
Terao2sei [8k\]: cette enchainement de blanc m'a donne des frisons tellement il etait beau.
Luffyy [3d\]: ça s'est sur
]
;B[ir]
;W[ip]
;B[iq]
;W[cs]
;B[bs]
;W[ds]C[Welvang [7d\]: encore un ko dans le coin
Welvang [7d\]: a priori il est obligé de répondre
Welvang [7d\]: avec autant de groupes faibles, lancer un ko est plutot suicidaire
Welvang [7d\]: mais en même temps s'il meurt en bas ça craint
jyka [1k\]: tanguy, commentateur d epartie de go ...
Welvang [7d\]: du coup on peut dire qu'il est mal
AltTab [2d\]: tu floodes aussi bcp...
jyka [1k\]: de parties*
Welvang [7d\]: disons que j'essaye de flooder avec des choses qui ont du sens
AltTab [2d\]: chacun ses perceptions :p
theworld [3d\]: ça veut dire quoi flooder ? =o
Phicron [3k\]: mais c'est bien qq'un qui commente u_u
FFGScribe [?\]: c'est toujours bien quand c'est lié à la partie
Luffyy [3d\]: même si noir perd le coin, c'est vraiment si grave ?
skyywalker [2d\]: te laisse pas demonter tanguy
Luffyy [3d\]: blanc a une sale tronche à l'est
skyywalker [2d\]: ça a du sens :)
FFGScribe [?\]: c'est juste 30 points
FFGScribe [?\]: le coin
]
;B[kn]C[Luffyy [3d\]: oui mais le bord est noir aura pu y jouer 2 coups, qui vaudront surement plus que 30 pts
theworld [3d\]: allez noir gigote pour vivre
Ootakamoku [5d\]: so ko in bottom left, and b uses attacking on q16 stones as ko threats?
Loubet [2d\]: quel dommage que la partie ne soit pas au niveau des commentaires de Welvang
Terao2sei [8k\]: Welvang est fort, et les gars faibles comme moi veulent des commentaires de fort. C'est un honneur d'avoir de tels commentaires.
Javaness [2d\]: P8 was perhaps a little abusive
]
;W[ko]C[Terao2sei [8k\]: Donc c pas une question de flood ici.
Welvang [7d\]: Loubet, évite de continuer sur cette lancée, si tu ne souhaite pas mes commentaires il suffit de me censurer
Komulink38 [1k\]: J8 ?
Komulink38 [1k\]: H7 pardon
Loubet [2d\]: le premier a se plaindre des commentaires ne fut pas moi
theworld [3d\]: t'as raison tanguy, faut pas se laisser aller ^^
FFGScribe [?\]: pas d'ennuie svp
AltTab [2d\]: c'était lui le premier à se plaindre :p
AA76 [8k?\]: une vraie cour de récré
FFGScribe [?\]: sinon j'arrete la retransmission
theworld [3d\]: quelle réaction de gamin
caverne [8k\]: moi j'dis c'est pas aoujourd'hui qu'on verra le tesuji en A1 qui marche "presque"
Welvang [7d\]: je me plaignais plutôt de leur qualité, mais pour le seul commentaire que j'ai fait de la partie, je suis sûr de sa véracité
Komulink38 [1k\]: bon H7 n'a pas l'air de trop marcher en fait :p
Phicron [3k\]: les gens ici sérieux... on a la chance d'avoir une partie retransmise, on a la chance d'avoir des commentaires sensés sur une partie où on peut pas tout comprendre, et certains se plaignent u_u
Welvang [7d\]: le but c'est de noter la partie FFGscribe, on s'en fiche des kibitz
FFGScribe [?\]: bon muttley, private chat please
Javaness [2d\]: tu peut appuyer sur ctrl-m FFGScribe :)
]
;B[lo]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: goooo antti
]
;W[lm]
;B[ln]C[theworld [3d\]: ça sent la mort
nhanh [2d\]: no
Luffyy [3d\]: non ça vit ça quand même
Terao2sei [8k\]: Quelle attaque de blanc...
nhanh [2d\]: b alive
Welvang [7d\]: ça a l'air vivant maintenant
Welvang [7d\]: mais y'a toujours b2
Naab [2k\]: what of h7 area?
Luffyy [3d\]: mais y'a tjr l'est ;)
]
;W[ik]C[Bouton [?\]: b2 me semble petit comparé à o15 
Bouton [?\]: (pour noir)
Ootakamoku [5d\]: and here g6 stones die?
Luffyy [3d\]: je suis d'accord
jaska: Oota, b has h7
Naab [2k\]: I thought h7 was nnoying for black to have, but I may have read so badly
]
;B[hj]C[ghjjgyjyj: h7 k6?
Komulink38 [1k\]: i think if blacj H7 white L6
Welvang [7d\]: :o
Luffyy [3d\]: hein ?
Komulink38 [1k\]: yes L6
fab [4d\]: amazing that black still feels he has the time for H10 ^^
Komulink38 [1k\]: K*
]
;W[gl]
;B[hm]
;W[jn]C[Ootakamoku [5d\]: h7 too greedy?
]
;B[jk]C[Nick23 [1k\]: g8 looks like a bait: "play h7 and lose a tempo?"
Terao2sei [8k\]: Pour envahir en haut, quel est le meilleur coup pour blanc ?
Nick23 [1k\]: this is a very nice probing move
Nick23 [1k\]: white might like to play k10, but if he does so, black is alive in sente with L7 (at least, that is my interpretation0
Loxios [1d\]: là envahir en haut est un peu hors sujet, mais localement je dirais j17 comme point de départ
]
;W[jl]C[ghjjgyjyj: bm8 lives
Terao2sei [8k\]: Merci. pardon pour le hors sujet. Je voulais juste savoir ce que ce qu'il faudrait jouer dans ce coin apres le semeai.
FrenchDude [4d?\]: anyone know Antti-Fan result?
Nick23 [1k\]: m8 -> l7 and then?
Loxios [1d\]: oui oui tkt ^^
]
;B[mm]C[natsu27 [10k\]: bonjours a tous sa donne quoi pour le moment pour fan 
]
;W[qj]
;B[pj]C[Luffyy [3d\]: on sait pas trop :)
]
;W[rh]C[Ootakamoku [5d\]: w bettter start doing some magic, looks like b leading now
jhgjhg: sa donne sa
Nick23 [1k\]: well m6 not alive for sure yet
Ootakamoku [5d\]: its unconditionally alive
]
;B[pl]C[Luffyy [3d\]: m6 alive for sure
Loxios [1d\]: je comprends pas pourquoi blanc joue pas b2 
Nick23 [1k\]: white l2, black m2, white o5, how to live?
Bouton [?\]: b2 est trop petit
caverne [8k\]: timing
Luffyy [3d\]: b2est petit àce stade coparé au feste
Welvang [7d\]: l'est est plus urgent pour l'instant
Loxios [1d\]: ok
Luffyy [3d\]: oula bug de clavier sorry
Loxios [1d\]: ça se tient
Welvang [7d\]: et puis si c'est un ko, ca veut dire que noir pourra jouer deux coups ailleurs
]
;W[ph]C[natsu27 [10k\]: fan a gagner toute ces partie pour le moment ?
]
;B[oh]
;W[qg]C[Mneme [2k\]: oui
natsu27 [10k\]: ok
Flo3600 [9k\]: ça avait donné quoi le résultat
Flo3600 [9k\]: en pologne ?
]
;B[ni]C[caverne [8k\]: google ?
Luffyy [3d\]: c'est un peu triste cette sequence pour noir on dirait
bfm [-\]: tu trouves ?
Naab [2k\]: what really happens if white l2?
Luffyy [3d\]: pas sur, c'estvrai que blanc est faible maintenant, mais bon
Bouton [?\]: triste ou pas, je préfère la position de noir
bfm [-\]: idem
Loubet [2d\]: combien vaut b2 ?
Matrok [4k\]: À Olsztyn Fan avait tout gagné dans le tournoi principal et perdu une seule partie le week-end contre Ilya, donc contre Antti Fan avait gagné.
]
;W[nj]C[theworld [3d\]: mais ça c'était avant
HelloQtion [?\]: 35 points ?
Nick23 [1k\]: Naab: well at the moment, black has several ideas to live. He can play m8, l7, l9 to cut white, and win the semeai. Or he can play around p5, trying tomake an eye in sente
Loubet [2d\]: la moitié, c'est ko 
HelloQtion [?\]: maybe 40
Luffyy [3d\]: etant donné que c'est un ko, la valeur de b2 est bcp diminué
shayn [5k\]: who is the meijin?
]
;B[oo]C[fab [4d\]: http://gooften.net/2013/08/14/european-go-congress-2013-games-4-5/ for he game Fan-Antti of he congress (commented by Antti)
Loxios [1d\]: ty
]
;W[pn]C[Welvang [7d\]: ça commence à sentir bon pour blanc
]
;B[qo]C[Luffyy [3d\]: oui
Welvang [7d\]: mais je me demande si y'a quelque chose à faire autour de f8
]
;W[po]C[shayn [5k\]: and why is everyone speaking wierdly?
Luffyy [3d\]: ça reste du yose pour le moment je pense
Ootakamoku [5d\]: w gets p9 in sente..
]
;B[pp]C[Ootakamoku [5d\]: oh.. doesnt help, scary sequence
caverne [8k\]: ( tournament in France, one french player, lots of french fans on fan)
meuns [1d\]: GOOOOO FANNNNNNNNNNNNNN
meuns [1d\]: GOOOOO FANNNN
Gardan [1d?\]: paris tournament, french room -> so they speak french naturaly
FFGScribe [?\]: stop
Javaness [2d\]: on se calme
shayn [5k\]: who me?stop?
shayn [5k\]: what?
theworld [3d\]: alala fan déchaine les passions lol
kryft [1k\]: Haha
TheFSwitch [23k\]: dsl je sui nouveau dans lez go fan est un francais 
meuns [1d\]: normal
HelloQtion [?\]: is r7 possible ?
TheFSwitch [23k\]: ?
]
;W[qm]C[Luffyy [3d\]: oui
newin [4k\]: fan il est pas pro normalement pk ya ecrit 8d ??
meuns [1d\]: pas trivial
]
;B[qq]
;W[rp]C[theworld [3d\]: c le max de l'echelle amateur
Ootakamoku [5d\]: p9 q9 o4 o5 o6 n5 r3 p7 q7 r7 o7 o8 p7 n10 n9 m9 n11 p10 n10 l9 etc looks like it would work for b, hence cant do that
Nick23 [1k\]: wow
Nick23 [1k\]: I really didn't expect r3
FFGScribe [?\]: b in byo yomi
Welvang [7d\]: ah, danigabi shisho's mode
maxp73 [2d\]: pk R3?
]
;B[rq]
;W[rn]C[Nick23 [1k\]: maybe he's trying to kill q3
Nick23 [1k\]: we will soon see
]
;B[sp]C[maxp73 [2d\]: greedy b
]
;W[ro]C[kentia [1d\]: what's this
]
;B[pr]C[meuns [1d\]: is there a trace ?
kryft [1k\]: Maybe just trying to live in sente?
meuns [1d\]: trade ?
Luffyy [3d\]: ça va pour noir le semeai non ?
Welvang [7d\]: noir capture
Welvang [7d\]: mais
Bouton [?\]: o13 
Welvang [7d\]: o13 
Welvang [7d\]: oui
Luffyy [3d\]: o13 oui
HelloQtion [?\]: p2 r1 n14 ?
FFGScribe [?\]: w will tennuki
Welvang [7d\]: faut compter
meuns [1d\]: o13 seems sexy
kryft [1k\]: Ah, exchange
Bouton [?\]: peut être même n14 
HelloQtion [?\]: p2-r1 est nul
Nick23 [1k\]: but this exchange is very good for white, isn't it?
FFGScribe [?\]: look around o17
meuns [1d\]: not very good
CGBSpender [-\]: i like black
meuns [1d\]: corner was huge
Ootakamoku [5d\]: fan huy getting crushed!
Terao2sei [8k\]: the exchange seems fair for both, no ?
Ootakamoku [5d\]: hui*
Loubet [2d\]: source de menaces pour le ko b2 ?
Javaness [2d\]: torminator
Welvang [7d\]: not really
meuns [1d\]: oota is dreaming
bfm [-\]: ça se vaut en fait
]
;W[mf]C[Bouton [?\]: ouai, finallement, il a choisi n14
Nick23 [1k\]: white has 45 points on the right side, black 30 on the bottom
Ootakamoku [5d\]: fan hui is french so youguys just cant be objective about this game.
Terao2sei [8k\]: c ca ouais
lupong [1d\]: c douloureux comme echange ça ...
Welvang [7d\]: of course we can
HelloQtion [?\]: p2 sera la source de ko nécessaire pour gagner le ko en b2 ?
Terao2sei [8k\]: par contre white penetre ds le territoire adversaire
lupong [1d\]: pour noir je ve dire ^^
Welvang [7d\]: it's just about game of go, not nationality
Luffyy [3d\]: blanc a l'air en avance
]
;B[ar]C[HelloQtion [?\]: Ok :)
Nick23 [1k\]: Some people feel that way, Welvang, but others are subconsciously influenced, by nationality, or fandom. Notice the temperature in this room is much higher than usual.
Muttley [2k\]: Let's keep nationality out of this, because we all know the British are the strongest go nation in Europe.
Muttley [2k\]: I thank you.
kryft [1k\]: Muttley, :)
FFGScribe [?\]: focus on the game
Bouton [?\]: w is leading now
Terao2sei [8k\]: I think that all the go player look first of all for the deepness of the game. So we can be objective
Muttley [2k\]: yes indeed, focus on the game, in other words :)
]
;W[eh]
;B[fi]C[Welvang [7d\]: fan a l'air en avance oui
Welvang [7d\]: ça dépendra juste du haut
Phicron [3k\]: le nord est pas préoccupant pour blanc ?
Nick23 [1k\]: Is black leading by a lot, do you think? By my count the game is very close.
bert [?\]: luft in front of him?
bfm [-\]: ça dépend de ce que fan peut tirer du groupe au centre aussi, il a l'air faiblard maintenant
]
;W[nd]C[gobu: w is better
]
;B[md]C[Terao2sei [8k\]: w has more possibilities.
HelloQtion [?\]: The game looks even (white ahead by komi, but top is still a better place for black)
meuns [1d\]: w c17 bad direction ?
HelloQtion [?\]: But maybe I just misscounted :)
snowman [-\]: there are many possibilities for both
Nick23 [1k\]: G7 not completley safe yet
kryft [1k\]: snowman, What do you think about the position as it stands?
]
;W[ne]
;B[lc]C[bert [?\]: se is smarter than snowmen, no?
Muttley [2k\]: it will come down to who plays the yose better
Ootakamoku [5d\]: w will dive deep now
kryft [1k\]: This snowman is special
snowman [-\]: depends on what happens at the upper side
]
;W[ec]C[lupong [1d\]: là je comprend pas o16 par contre noir p12 avais encore des possibilité sans ça ?
meuns [1d\]: crude ?
]
;B[eb]C[Muttley [2k\]: b can give up 30 point area at the top and win, so long as w takes no more than 8, I think
Terao2sei [8k\]: E17, that's what I'm talking about ^^
]
;W[ed]C[Loubet [2d\]: eurogotv a Berlin fait un bide seulement 72 spectateurs...
FFGScribe [?\]: ben0 a perdu lamentablement
Nick23 [1k\]: if G7 was securely alive, i would prefer black, but now i'm not sure
]
;B[dd]C[Welvang [7d\]: sympa pour lui
]
;W[fb]
;B[db]
;W[gc]C[Flo3600 [9k\]: lol vaan
Flo3600 [9k\]: xD
]
(;B[be]C[Flo3600 [9k\]: pk lamentablement ? :p
])
(;B[bf]
;W[bg]
;B[ic]
;W[id]C[jyka [1k\]: its too fast, too furious
Hurjake [?\]: undo lol
Nick23 [1k\]: are they in byoyomi? they play so fast
FFGScribe [?\]: cest lui qui a ecrit
]
;B[jc]
;W[ff]C[Welvang [7d\]: ah ok, il est pardonné alors
Komulink38 [1k\]: oh :(
Welvang [7d\]: et césar ça donne quoi?
maxp73 [2d\]: il jouait contre qui cesar
Killhim [4k\]: perdu lamentablement ou lamentablement perdu ? ^^
]
;B[hl]C[FFGScribe [?\]: lamentablement perdu 
Killhim [4k\]: ah… : )
Loubet [2d\]: ce tournoi Ben0 aura fait le job en gagnant contre Anti
FFGScribe [?\]: tt a fait 
]
;W[be]C[Welvang [7d\]: je compte encore sur lui pour battre motoki
FFGScribe [?\]: " yes"
]
;B[cf]
;W[af]C[meuns [1d\]: yes ?
FFGScribe [?\]: by ben
Welvang [7d\]: et donc césar ça donne quoi?
FFGScribe [?\]: pas mon soucis
]
;B[bd]C[Nick23 [1k\]: I think black is lost now
]
;W[dj]
;B[ek]C[meuns [1d\]: s15 huge
Terao2sei [8k\]: White has taken the initiative
Ootakamoku [5d\]: cant help but think b got robbed blind when he entered byoyomi
theworld [3d\]: bn w est devant ^^
]
;W[hk]C[Loubet [2d\]: ça sent la finale attendue Dai-Fan
]
;B[gk]C[theworld [3d\]: ouai =D
meuns [1d\]: ça va saigner
Vortex [5d?\]: c'est quand la finale?
]
;W[ad]C[Welvang [7d\]: ça va finir en w+5 jpense
meuns [1d\]: 15h ? non ?
]
;B[bc]
;W[or]
;B[qs]
;W[sr]C[Bouton [?\]: t2 ?
Bouton [?\]: yes
Terao2sei [8k\]: le sente de blanc est instoppable....
maxp73 [2d\]: koooooooo
CGBSpender [-\]: en avance du komi en c'moment ?
Komulink38 [1k\]: 14h normalement
maxp73 [2d\]: oopa
carito [1d\]: combien y a t-il de joueur au dessus de 6dan egf en europe ?
Muttley [2k\]: ko is not good here
Flo3600 [9k\]: fan et dai on deja joué l un contre l'uater
Flo3600 [9k\]: ?
RiseAnew [4d\]: oui
Matrok [4k\]: oui, assez souvent
Flo3600 [9k\]: ok
]
;B[rr]C[Le34 [-\]: ko?
]
;W[os]C[theworld [3d\]: dai avait gagné la dernière
Flo3600 [9k\]: ok
]
;B[mr]C[meuns [1d\]: w is just a devil
Nick23 [1k\]: nail in the coffin
jusifast [2k\]: le dernier match a vu Dai gagné de 0.5
Bouton [?\]: q1 
]
;W[ps]C[Le34 [-\]: after s2 was ko if i calculated well
Bouton [?\]: resign
Loxios [1d\]: carito : http://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/Find_Player.php 
carito [1d\]: thx!!
maxp73 [2d\]: wow
FFGScribe [?\]: fan détruit le minuteur
bfm [-\]: lol
FFGScribe [?\]: *bombom*
meuns [1d\]: :D
Terao2sei [8k\]: quelle atatque...
]
;B[np]C[theworld [3d\]: xD tout exité le fan
]
;W[qr]C[Pinkman [1k\]: qui est noir ?
]
;B[jj]C[meuns [1d\]: tormannen
]
;W[ll]C[meuns [1d\]: 7d
]
;B[pr]C[rinkaio [1k\]: c est écrit
jhgjhg: pas sur android
]
;W[oc]C[meuns [1d\]: pas sur android
Phicron [3k\]: on voit pas sur téléphone
iWait [2k\]: y'a une transmission vidéo sur eurogo?
]
;B[ob]C[carito [1d\]: is guo juan living in europe ??
]
;W[qr]C[rinkaio [1k\]: fan a une classe dans son jeu c'est abusé
Pinkman [1k\]: peut etre aurais je du préciser, qui est ce tormanen, un joueur finlandais ?
Phicron [3k\]: oui
carito [1d\]: oui finlandais
]
;B[kk]
;W[lk]C[Terao2sei [8k\]: Le meilleur finlandais actuellement
]
;B[pr]C[Phicron [3k\]: finnois
theworld [3d\]: et fan est le meilleur français
Terao2sei [8k\]: pardon phiphi, tu as raison.
FFGScribe [?\]: non finlandais on dit
Pinkman [1k\]: ok merci, pck lire son nom et son classement je pense etre capable de le faire tout seul ;)
Matrok [4k\]: oui, un 6d finlandais qui a passé quelque mois à la Nihon Kiin
Terao2sei [8k\]: à bon ?
Lyart [7k?\]: b2 ?
Loubet [2d\]: non finlandais
Matrok [4k\]: finlandais, "finnois" est la langue
Warfreak2 [5d\]: gooo antti!
Terao2sei [8k\]: ah oui c vrai...
FFGScribe [?\]: finnois cest region
]
;W[rs]C[rinkaio [1k\]: c'est quoi la Nihon Kiin ?
]
;B[ss]
;W[qr]C[kryft [1k\]: Matrok, Actually 7 dan now :)
Welvang [7d\]: looks over with the ko :/
Terao2sei [8k\]: mais malgré ces quelques mois à la nihon kiin il n'a jamais réussi à atteindre la classe A
theworld [3d\]: rinkaio regarde hng
leachy [2k\]: f1 
Terao2sei [8k\]: le top des insei est encore trop haut pour les européens.
Welvang [7d\]: non il aurait surement pu l'atteindre s'il était resté
meuns [1d\]: b insei ?
Welvang [7d\]: c'est une question de temps
]
;B[sq]
;W[rs]
;B[ki]
;W[li]
;B[qs]C[Terao2sei [8k\]: une des deux federations professionnelles du Japon.
carito [1d\]: welvang tu es quantième dan egf ?
Surcouf [1k\]: 5
]
;W[gj]C[shayn [5k\]: e2
Welvang [7d\]: 5ffg je sais pas egf
]
;B[fl]
;W[rs]C[jhgjhg: c'est indiqué sur le lien qu'on t'a donné
lilll: shuldnt b played r2 intead r1
]
;B[hs]C[Bouton [?\]: noir devrait abandonner, la partie est finie
lilll: ?=???
]
;W[gr]
;B[qs]C[Terao2sei [8k\]: C'est possible Welvang, mais ça aurait été dur. d'être dans les meilleurs de la classe A. Logique remarque.
Loxios [1d\]: tu sais compter les menaces en byo yomi, bouton ? /°
Loxios [1d\]: :)*
rinkaio [1k\]: je viens de taper HNG sur google ils me parlent de lunettes lol Noir est un grand entrepreneur qui concurrence Afflelou c'est ce que je dois comprendre ?
Bouton [?\]: oui
carito [1d\]: waw il y a + de 1000joueur au dessus de 1dan en europe
]
;W[ac]
;B[ab]
;W[rs]C[Vortex [5d?\]: hng = hikaru no go
]
;B[mk]
;W[mj]C[theworld [3d\]: hikaru no go
]
;B[qs]C[meuns [1d\]: 1d c'est faible quoi
]
;W[ae]
;B[bb]
;W[rs]C[rinkaio [1k\]: Ha ok j'y étais pas du tout
carito [1d\]: yep mais je pensais qu'il y avait très peu de joueurs en europe
]
;B[do]C[maxp73 [2d\]: cest pas 1D kgs hein
]
;W[eo]
;B[qs]C[meuns [1d\]: c'est relatif le go
GoldRoger7 [3d?\]: en chine ils sont 1d a la naissance
carito [1d\]: egf c'est kgs -2 pierres ? +/-
Welvang [7d\]: 30 000 inscrits si on arrondit
jhgjhg: lol
meuns [1d\]: egf c'est kgs
Loxios [1d\]: arg pas cette discution d'échelle de niveau
]
;W[jg]C[meuns [1d\]: (hehehe)
TheFSwitch [23k\]: une dan KGS sa equivaux a quoi en "pro"
CGBSpender [-\]: y'a beaucoup de joueurs dan dont le rang kgs est similaire à leur rang ffg
Welvang [7d\]: 0,01 environ
theworld [3d\]: non
Luffyy [3d\]: ^^
]
;B[gi]C[meuns [1d\]: fanfan est en dessous
]
;W[rs]C[Welvang [7d\]: 7d ça doit être 0,07
Terao2sei [8k\]: c incomparable FSwitch.
Luffyy [3d\]: je suis en dessous aussi
]
;B[fo]C[Welvang [7d\]: james bond powa
]
;W[fp]
;B[qs]C[Welvang [7d\]: bon j'avoue que je l'avais pas vu venir ce ko
TheFSwitch [23k\]: ok ok merci tera j'ai 4jour de jeu en autodidacte je comprend pas tou lol 
]
;W[kd]C[rinkaio [1k\]: fan a pas beaucoup  de menaces réelles
]
;B[jd]
;W[rs]C[Lyart [7k?\]: B2 ça compte ?
carito [1d\]: c'est comme bruce lee vs homer simpson :)
TheFSwitch [23k\]: aha 
Terao2sei [8k\]: ah pas de prob. Les dan pros ne veulent pas dire grand choses entre eux parfois. C'est un bronx incroyable lol
theworld [3d\]: les pros ont un niveau inimaginable fswitch
Terao2sei [8k\]: ben pour te donner une idee
Lyart [7k?\]: E1
]
;B[er]C[TheFSwitch [23k\]: a se point la 
]
;W[es]
;B[qs]C[Terao2sei [8k\]: un pro se souvient de ses parties jouées 10 ans plus tôt (on va dire parties officielles)
]
;W[br]
;B[bq]
;W[rs]C[bert [?\]: minimanagable
Ootakamoku [5d\]: pay for threat now, f1
Lyart [7k?\]: F1 now
klabauter [5d?\]: seems impossible to win the ko for b
jyka [1k\]: b10 
fbp [7d\]: black is far behind
GoldRoger7 [3d?\]: if he win it he lose the game anyway
jkljkl [?\]: ca peut paraitre bete mais est ce que ya une limite max de niveau ? quelqu'un qui joue depuis 60 ans par exemple, est ce qu'au bout d'un moment il arrete de progresser ou est ce que c'est infini ? haha
shayn [5k\]: f1
Killhim [4k\]: alors qu'un 1d Kgs ne se souvient pas de la partie de la veille… : )
WandererBo [6d\]: if not for byo i guess antti would resign
meuns [1d\]: lol
theworld [3d\]: il y a l'age
]
;B[jf]C[fbp [7d\]: is there results of this tournament somewhere?
Killhim [4k\]: ou mieux dit, oui s'en souvient… de la cuite… ^^
Terao2sei [8k\]: l'age et la gagne disons
Odysseu9s [3k\]: Plus tu es jeune, plus tu progresses vite
Ootakamoku [5d\]: http://jerome.hubert1.perso.sfr.fr/Go/Act/Meijin2013/PMeijin2013-A_Standings.html
Terao2sei [8k\]: Un insei qui vient de passer pro
Odysseu9s [3k\]: Et il arrive qu'à un certain âge et à un certain niveau on stagne
FFGScribe [?\]: ça sent l'ignore
fbp [7d\]: thanks Ootaka
Odysseu9s [3k\]: En général on stagne vers les 3-4k
Bouton [?\]: h14 et après blanc j13 ?
Odysseu9s [3k\]: Et aux alentours de la trentaine
shayn [5k\]: what?
rinkaio [1k\]: moi j arrive même pas à me rappeler de ce que j'ai bu hier alors mes parties c'est chaud
Terao2sei [8k\]: est meilleur qu'un pro de 60 ans qui ne jouent plus des matchs du plus haut niveau
carito [1d\]: a mon avis
meuns [1d\]: retired pro are always awesome
meuns [1d\]: xD
]
;W[ig]
;B[qs]C[carito [1d\]: cest plutot que les joueurs plus agés ont d'autres préocupations
meuns [1d\]: they learned a lot
jhgjhg: vous ne voudiez pas continuer votre discussion dans une autre salle ?
]
;W[ke]C[carito [1d\]: et un jeune joueur peut se concentrer a 100% sur sa progression
]
;B[je]C[Terao2sei [8k\]: but in terms of level there less strong than the best yong professionnel (in most of the cases)
]
;W[kf]C[TheFSwitch [23k\]: ouai je vois c'est fou merci terra je croi que je vais retourner sur cal of :p
Terao2sei [8k\]: it's not mine who say that but Mickael Redmond 9p
Odysseu9s [3k\]: xD
WandererBo [6d\]: i wonder if w ends p losing ko and just taking r16 and next yose to win
]
;B[pr]C[Odysseu9s [3k\]: Si tu retournes sur Call of crois pas que tu pourras progresser :p
]
;W[kc]
;B[kb]
;W[qr]C[meuns [1d\]: well i truly don't care about strengh, i like "style"
Terao2sei [8k\]: c quoi cal of ?
]
;B[ef]C[meuns [1d\]: dutty
meuns [1d\]: jeu de merde
theworld [3d\]: call of dutty
]
;W[lb]
;B[mb]
;W[jb]
;B[la]C[meuns [1d\]: (troll inside)
bolbi [-\]: continuez ailleurs, merci
Slayaan [1k\]: duty*
Muttley [2k\]: meuns, don't swear
Warfreak2 [5d\]: super antti
]
;W[rs]C[meuns [1d\]: sorryyyyyy
Lyart [7k?\]: b10 ?
meuns [1d\]: b resigned ?
Todziro [1k\]: p7 
]
;B[fe]C[namaste [3d\]: ignore
shayn [5k\]: ignore
Muttley [2k\]: won't ignore
]
;W[ge]
;B[qs]C[meuns [1d\]: tough
meuns [1d\]: black found a ko mine
Naab [2k\]: how could?
Naab [2k\]: ignore*
dartagaluc [1k\]: j18
Muttley [2k\]: these ko threats are giving more points to white :/
meuns [1d\]: i'm not sure white is gaining here
]
;W[lr]
;B[kr]
;W[rs]C[Nick23 [1k\]: hmm, if there was not this ko, the game would still be very close
Nick23 [1k\]: I thought it was over already
meuns [1d\]: there are playing a lot of costly threats
Odysseu9s [3k\]: F1
shayn [5k\]: f1
Lyart [7k?\]: b10 looks huge for me
]
;B[om]C[scrwbll19 [8k\]: ignore
JBdeon [3k\]: no
meuns [1d\]: i want to ignore
Odysseu9s [3k\]: Don't ignore
]
;W[pm]
;B[qs]C[meuns [1d\]: why ?
shayn [5k\]: nope
]
;W[ee]C[shayn [5k\]: too big
Odysseu9s [3k\]: Because
rinkaio [1k\]: it is too big
]
;B[ce]C[Lyart [7k?\]: why ? if the corner is white, what's the point ?
]
;W[ag]C[WandererBo [6d\]: w says pls can i just win on yose
Nick23 [1k\]: the problem is white only needs to get a few points compensation, but black needs to find very big threats.
]
;B[pr]C[Loxios [1d\]: c'est un free ko pour blanc, faut pas l'oublier, c'est chez noir hein
meuns [1d\]: jamais c'es tfree
Gailu [2k\]: J18 c'est pas enorme?
meuns [1d\]: chaque menace peut couter
rinkaio [1k\]: j18 ?
Odysseu9s [3k\]: En gros si Blanc le perd, lui-même perd pas grand chose
]
;W[ms]C[meuns [1d\]: nimp
meuns [1d\]: j18 par exemple est une grosse perte
]
;B[ls]C[Nick23 [1k\]: both alive, then white easily has enough, black cannot trade here
]
;W[qr]C[tnk3104 [3k\]: ignore
Loxios [1d\]: de base p3 est mort en échange de q10 mort
]
;B[fd]C[Luffyy [3d\]: à ce niveau là, ils jouent justement des menaces qui ne leur coute pas, ou le moins possible
]
;W[fc]
;B[pr]C[leachy [2k\]: oh right...seems w has too many points even if b capture p3 for free
Bouton [?\]: j14 
]
;W[hb]
;B[ib]
;W[qr]
;B[fg]
;W[gf]
;B[pr]C[Luffyy [3d\]: s16
meuns [1d\]: le truc c'est qu'ils ont joué 50+ coups sur ce ko et ça a échangé des points dans tout les sens
]
;W[rd]C[Odysseu9s [3k\]: Scribe, ils leur restent combien de temps stp ?
poipoi [-\]: bravo luff
shayn [5k\]: ignore
]
;B[rc]
;W[qr]C[scrwbll19 [8k\]: can't
]
;B[hd]
;W[gd]C[shayn [5k\]: why
]
;B[pr]C[shayn [5k\]: ?
scrwbll19 [8k\]: s18 is next
Loxios [1d\]: coz w ahead 
WandererBo [6d\]: cos he is behind
Luffyy [3d\]: 'cause he would lose
yunoo: b has more threats anyway
bfm [-\]: ignore => game lost
]
;W[qd]C[WandererBo [6d\]: now ignore, but still lose
Nick23 [1k\]: have to ignore this
scrwbll19 [8k\]: o1
Nick23 [1k\]: but still lose yea
shayn [5k\]: r2
WandererBo [6d\]: maybe resign time
LEIBNIZ [2k\]: ignore
jkljkl [?\]: must res
shayn [5k\]: IGNORE
gobuk: c6 seem good for w
neronde [6k\]: pourquoi noir n'a jamais joué f 1 comme menace ?
leachy [2k\]: in byo-yomi maybe not enough time to sit and count
meuns [1d\]: b6 huge indeed
Luffyy [3d\]: menance négative
Luffyy [3d\]: ça lui fait perdre des points
Lyart [7k?\]: et b10 ?
gobuk: lol i mean b6....=P
Loubet [2d\]: F1 perd des points quand blanc répond en g1 neronde
Luffyy [3d\]: pareil pour b10
]
;B[bm]
;W[bl]
;B[bn]C[neronde [6k\]: dac 
neronde [6k\]: merci
leachy [2k\]: the level of this game has been fantastically high i can tell (the fact i can tell a sign i'm getting better)
maxp73 [2d\]: blanc est en avance du komi?
Lyart [7k?\]: parce que b7 était ouvert ?
Naab [2k\]: is white really that lot ahead?
meuns [1d\]: j'ai bien l'impression que w+5
]
;W[dg]C[Loubet [2d\]: si tu en es à jouer des meances qui perdent des points, tu perdra aussi probablement le ko
rinkaio [1k\]: on joue pas le même jeu j'ai l'impression, a la place de blanc je tenterais de lui bouffer son truc ca rapporterais masse
shayn [5k\]: ignore
WandererBo [6d\]: w asking for res
shayn [5k\]: this is very small
]
;B[qr]C[meuns [1d\]: no
Odysseu9s [3k\]: Too small
meuns [1d\]: was life ?
Ootakamoku [5d\]: t17
shayn [5k\]: yes!
Loubet [2d\]: whaite often siys "never resign"
]
;W[sc]
;B[sb]
;W[sd]
;B[al]
;W[ak]
;B[am]C[meuns [1d\]: o7 big
Turnipsi [4d\]: that is a good advice
]
;W[bj]C[shayn [5k\]: yes,it is
]
;B[rb]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: never resign, if you resign then you lose
meuns [1d\]: sakata eio
]
;W[gg]C[Odysseu9s [3k\]: But if you don't resign
Odysseu9s [3k\]: You have a chance to win
WandererBo [6d\]: what if your oppo offers you a free beer to resign when you are losing by 50?
]
;B[fh]C[Loubet [2d\]: for example, suppose a meteorit falls on your opponent, you can win
]
;W[nm]
;B[ih]C[Odysseu9s [3k\]: I prefer a limonade
SIscurge [5d\]: a part of being a man is aknowledging defeat, imho
meuns [1d\]: w won
scrwbll19 [8k\]: k7 seems like a decent threat
]
;W[if]C[Odysseu9s [3k\]: Of far away
pete038861 [6k\]: I would resign if my opponent offer me a free beer when Im winning by 50
meuns [1d\]: seems like w won easily
Ootakamoku [5d\]: I usually consider my time and maybe even opponents time, worth more than the astronomical chance of tuning around a game with a meteorite strike or something similar.
SIscurge [5d\]: but antti plazed well this game
]
;B[ie]
;W[hh]C[WandererBo [6d\]: pete :)
]
;B[hi]C[yunoo: whats with woman
Turnipsi [4d\]: what's so great about men?
meuns [1d\]: sexism is boring
shayn [5k\]: everything
Odysseu9s [3k\]: All things
WandererBo [6d\]: their beard growing ability
]
;W[he]
;B[hc]
;W[ha]
;B[ia]
;W[ea]
;B[da]
;W[fa]
;B[ej]
;W[cj]C[shayn [5k\]: b win?
meuns [1d\]: no
sigmundur [3k\]: what does SE say
SirEttin [1d\]: close
Odysseu9s [3k\]: You're crazy
westdock: what does the SE say?!?
]
;B[me]C[theworld [3d\]: w win by komi
]
;W[lf]
;B[pc]
;W[od]C[Odysseu9s [3k\]: No, he wins without
meuns [1d\]: se can't count AGA
meuns [1d\]: xD
Odysseu9s [3k\]: J7
Lyart [7k?\]: j7
]
;B[im]
;W[jm]C[Odysseu9s [3k\]: I'm 8d \\o/
westdock: aga and japanese rarely differ in score
]
;B[so]
;W[nl]C[WandererBo [6d\]: but SE's take on them does
Odysseu9s [3k\]: But chinese differs a lot
]
;B[sn]C[shayn [5k\]: aga?
]
;W[sm]C[meuns [1d\]: but se sucks
Phicron [3k\]: american
Matrok [4k\]: Is it french rules ? I thought Paris Meijin was in Japanese rules
Odysseu9s [3k\]: Australian rule
meuns [1d\]: badly coded
meuns [1d\]: just game settikngs
Vortex [5d?\]: is there such a thing as french rules?
meuns [1d\]: yes
scrwbll19 [8k\]: doesn't look like there are enough points for b to make a comeback
]
;B[gh]
;W[hg]C[WandererBo [6d\]: w+12.5
]
;B[gs]C[Ootakamoku [5d\]: yes, french rlues are the aga rules
Matrok [4k\]: French rules are similar to AGA
Toru [2d?\]: b
Welvang [7d\]: with some differences
meuns [1d\]: the last stone shit
FFGScribe [?\]: french rules is similar to aga but some things change
]
;W[dl]
;B[nn]
;W[ld]
;B[kp]
;W[el]
;B[fm]C[Welvang [7d\]: french rules = chinese rules + japanese counting
]
;W[fs]
;B[is]
;W[le]C[meuns [1d\]: fair definition
]
;B[mc]
;W[io]
;B[jp]C[shayn [5k\]: w win
Matrok [4k\]: ... + situational superko
Loubet [2d\]: french people will never play with US rules
]
;W[eg]
;B[df]
;W[fn]C[sigmundur [3k\]: freedom rules
]
;B[km]
;W[in]C[FFGScribe [?\]: pass pass
shayn [5k\]: who win?
Odysseu9s [3k\]: W
jkljkl [?\]: w
FFGScribe [?\]: counting
westdock: shayn is a troll
Odysseu9s [3k\]: By ~15
Lyart [7k?\]: gg
rinkaio [1k\]: are you sure that w win ? Etes vous sur que fan gagne ?
maxp73 [2d\]: not by 15
Vortex [5d?\]: yes oui
Odysseu9s [3k\]: Oui
theworld [3d\]: oui
shayn [5k\]: me?why?
sigmundur [3k\]: scribe: use scoring tool to count here?
meuns [1d\]: compte
SirEttin [1d\]: i count b more points
Vortex [5d?\]: you count wrong sir
WandererBo [6d\]: count better
sigmundur [3k\]: I think it will go into the sgf
FFGScribe [?\]: w+12,5
rinkaio [1k\]: ha ouais je compte environ 7 8 points de plus pour blanc
theworld [3d\]: bg fan
WandererBo [6d\]: can haz
Odysseu9s [3k\]: Jayjay Fan !
Luffyy [3d\]: merci
Odysseu9s [3k\]: Merci
JBdeon [3k\]: thx
theworld [3d\]: merci
FFGScribe [?\]: merci, bye
maxp73 [2d\]: ah quand même
Loxios [1d\]: Thx scribe
LEIBNIZ [2k\]: yhx
leachy [2k\]: merci ffgscribe ;)
rog [6k\]: super fan...coll ...
rinkaio [1k\]: merci scribe a toute
FFGScribe [?\]: next round is in 1hour
FFGScribe [?\]: see you
dede: il y a un aautre mach plus tard ?
se30 [5d\]: bravo, jacky fan
rog [6k\]: ok merci
Vortex [5d?\]: le prochain match c'est fan vs dai?
dede: c'est quand ?
Vortex [5d?\]: dans une heure
dede: serieux ? c'est cool ça
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