(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[8.00]
PW[Jan Hora]PB[Balaine Guillaume]DT[2005-10-22]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]
;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[qj]CR[qj]
;B[de]CR[de]
;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[cn]CR[cn]
;W[dj]CR[dj]C[Gardan [?\]: private broadcast :)
ESGC2005 [-\]: Really?
Gardan [?\]: no others here :)
ESGC2005 [-\]: Voitsä viestittäää jollekki opitelle et se laittas tän kärkeen
Gardan [?\]: ok
ESGC2005 [-\]: samperin vaikeeta kirjottaa tällä
ESGC2005 [-\]: European Student Go championdhip round 3 table 1
Possu [1d\]: Laitatkos infoos kolmannen kierroksen pelaajat
ESGC2005 [-\]: player box
ESGC2005 [-\]: celila is only op online?
Gardan [?\]: mgoetze too .. both sleeping .. I sent messages to both
Uberdude [20k\]: what is the time limt in this game?
Gardan [?\]: 60 mins and 3*10min ( 2 point cost) , simplified ing rules
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;B[fp]CR[fp]C[ESGC2005 [-\]: both players are undefeated 
Gardan [?\]: more info on ESGC2005 info
ESGC2005 [-\]: I think...
Gardan [?\]: game at top in room game list
ESGC2005 [-\]: on table 2 Csaba plays againnst Kare Jantunen
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;W[co]CR[co]
;B[dn]CR[dn]
;W[eo]CR[eo]C[ESGC2005 [-\]: I hope I got that sequence correct :)
Wannabe [4k\]: who are the players
Wannabe [4k\]: ?
tarragone [10k?\]: look at the player boxes
Gardan [?\]: ESGC2005 info
Gotenks [4k\]: how strong are they? xD
newcomer23 [11k?\]: white is czech
newcomer23 [11k?\]: 5d
Wannabe [4k\]: but what they rank
ESGC2005 [-\]: Table 3 has Jonas Fincke vs Klara Zaloudkova
tarragone [10k?\]: white 5 dan black 4 dan
Wannabe [4k\]: thx
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;B[dl]CR[dl]C[ESGC2005 [-\]: players on the second table are hitting their stones hard :)
Javaness [5k\]: thanks for transmitting
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;W[fo]CR[fo]C[newcomer23 [11k?\]: how is klara doing on tbl 3
tarragone [10k?\]: who is winning the psychological game?
ESGC2005 [-\]: I am
ESGC2005 [-\]: ;)
clovigo [?\]: what are the ^layer's nationalities?
hibbitty [12k\]: english pig dog
ESGC2005 [-\]: Balaine seems more calm
Javaness [5k\]: czech - french
clovigo [?\]: thx
ESGC2005 [-\]: I can't see the 3rd table
Javaness [5k\]: guillaime is 4d and jan 5 i think? so should be a good game
tarragone [10k?\]: last round kare 3 dan beat merlijn 5 dan
ESGC2005 [-\]: Jan get's up and has his "stick" with him
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;B[gp]CR[gp]C[UTDEspy [-\]: Stick?
ESGC2005 [-\]: Looks like chinese/japanese eating stick I don't know what to call it
ESGC2005 [-\]: chopstick?
Javaness [5k\]: how should white play now? yes chopstick
UTDEspy [-\]: Chopstick are pairs of sticks used to eat, so I guess thats what you mean
UTDEspy [-\]: made from wood, sometimes ivory, some types of carved stone, or metals. Modern can be plastic
Azael [-\]: do anyone know who won before match?
j4ys0n [?\]: 3d 5d
j4ys0n [?\]: cool
fab [1d\]: both won their first two games
tarragone [10k?\]: azael, 6 dan won
Azael [-\]: thx
ESGC2005 [-\]: check my info for urli for the results
SoulShard [14k?\]: What's the thinking time? and time used?
tarragone [10k?\]: http://delic.iki.fi/esgc2005.txt
Sureiyaa3 [2k\]: komi 8??    O_o
ESGC2005 [-\]: thank you tarragone
ESGC2005 [-\]: ing rules
ESGC2005 [-\]: black wins "ties"
UTDEspy [-\]: Solid 8 points? Thats odd
UTDEspy [-\]: ahh
Akimoon [6k?\]: ing? oh no.. not again :(
esidebob [3k\]: komi 8 but since black wins ties, it's practically 7,5
UTDEspy [-\]: Ing rules are scary
ESGC2005 [-\]: indeed
UTDEspy [-\]: The man's great for funding so much go, but... did he have to make such weird rules?
Javaness [5k\]: this game is scarier
Prodigious [7k\]: Ing rules are great
UTDEspy [-\]: And such annoying bowls?
esidebob [3k\]: but the clocks are funny
Prodigious [7k\]: In clocks as well
Prodigious [7k\]: *Ing
UTDEspy [-\]: I mean, even FREE the things are a pain
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;W[ip]CR[ip]C[UTDEspy [-\]: And the clocks! argh the clocks
Liutasil [6k\]: ing rules suck imho, i dont like em
bugalugs: wow, white plays so hard
fab [1d\]: white has quite an agressive style ^^
Javaness [5k\]: focus on the game ;-)
Akimoon [6k?\]: no one like them, or?
Liutasil [6k\]: most people yeah
UTDEspy [-\]: I think the vast majority of people hate ing rules and equipment, but because he gave out so much money to go, there's a begrudging acceptance
Javaness [5k\]: i thought white would maybe attack D6
bugalugs: i don't think this attack against the p3 stone
bugalugs: it's too solid
bugalugs: white will have problems later
Javaness [5k\]: J4 seems to be starting fights everywhere?
esidebob [3k\]: that's what he's doing right now, indirectly
bugalugs: doing what?
esidebob [3k\]: if that group runs, D6 will weaken
mellkor [6k\]: j4 seems scary 2 me
UTDEspy [-\]: Are these considered amateur or pro ranks?
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;B[go]CR[go]C[esidebob [3k\]: amateur
hibbitty [12k\]: salami
newcomer23 [11k?\]: salami??
Medice [-\]: sim salami-bing..
newcomer23 [11k?\]: thats one of the Friends, or not:o))))
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;W[gn]CR[gn]
;B[ho]CR[ho]C[mellkor [6k\]: can some1 explain whose better set for this situation plz???
bugalugs: hard for both
bugalugs: but if b looks after both groups
hibbitty [12k\]: ·-·
bugalugs: w will have lots of problems later
fab [1d\]: I have faith in Guillaume, D5 is a big hinder for white
esidebob [3k\]: i'd rather play white i think, but the position is not that much better
ESGC2005 [-\]: on table 2 the players have played faster
Akimoon [6k?\]: j5 doesn't work instead of h5?
esidebob [3k\]: J5 leaves a weakness behind
bugalugs: well it depends what you mean by works
tarragone [10k?\]: black has strange shape :)
bugalugs: b doesn't want w to wedge
lusion [14k\]: are the other tables being played oujt on kgs?
ESGC2005 [-\]: no :(
ESGC2005 [-\]: not enough laptops
ESGC2005 [-\]: or people to operate them
UTDEspy [-\]: How many games are in this round?
ESGC2005 [-\]: 18
UTDEspy [-\]: Ahh, hard to get that many then
blubb [7k\]: are these simplified "european" ING rules or the messy original ones?
Javaness [5k\]: simple
mellkor [6k\]: how old are these 2??
blubb [7k\]: ah, they're not that bad at all
ESGC2005 [-\]: I don't know
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;W[bo]CR[bo]C[Gardan [?\]: something between 18 and 30 as all participants
mellkor [6k\]: okok
Javaness [5k\]: any reason you want to know? :)
mellkor [6k\]: no, i just got confused , didnt know if student meant university people or school
bugalugs: hmm
mellkor [6k\]: just curiosity
bugalugs: b5 is a thin shape
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;B[fl]CR[fl]C[fab [1d\]: guillaume balaine should be 20 or 21, I think
bugalugs: c3 is still a problem later
bugalugs: b5 at e4 is a more solid option
PeterL [7k?\]: Can I register my bets on Ladbroke's ?
zenx [14k?\]: what tournament is this?
Pade [14k?\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?GuillaumeBalaine
Javaness [5k\]: european student championships
zenx [14k?\]: WOW
myao [9d?\]: which rank is B?
tarragone [10k?\]: 4d
myao [9d?\]: ok
zenx [14k?\]: and W ?
bugalugs: what do you think of the game so far myao?
tarragone [10k?\]: 5d
Javaness [5k\]: 5d
Uberdude [20k\]: wow, scary that someone my age (20) is 4d 
fab [1d\]: french 3d officiallyf or black, but players in this tournament can decide their rank as they wish :p
newcomer23 [11k?\]: uberdude: you shouldnt go to japan, korea or somewhere around:D thats scary:D
bugalugs: i don't like f8
Medice [-\]: had to say which side has the advantage here..
Medice [-\]: depends on the fight of the left side
mellkor [6k\]: why scary?
Medice [-\]: *on
lusion [14k\]: a france 1d is a kgs 7d?
tarragone [10k?\]: hehe surely not
Javaness [5k\]: he is not 1d anymore
newcomer23 [11k?\]: :D
blubb [7k\]: it'd be interesting to know upto which rank you'd believed tarragone's statement, myao :)
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;W[kp]CR[kp]C[fab [1d\]: he isn't french 1d anymore, and isn't KGS 7d anymore either ;)
Medice [-\]: i'm finnish 1 kyu and was 7 kyu kgs until i put - as my rank :P
Uberdude [20k\]: on page says 1d after 20 months, that's impressive
lionking [2d?\]: im finnish 3k :)
Azael [-\]: polish player Celepa on kgs has 1d in 8 months :P
lusion [14k\]: which one is guillaume
tarragone [10k?\]: it says in the player box
newcomer23 [11k?\]: as written:D
lusion [14k\]: duh
ESGC2005 [-\]: Jan get's up again
ESGC2005 [-\]: he is loooking at table 2
myao [9d?\]: yes, W leads
bugalugs: should b probe c3?
myao [9d?\]: d8 bad, just d5
Akimoon [6k\]: jan's bored?
newcomer23 [11k?\]: myao, could cou comment for us weaker please?:o))
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;B[in]CR[in]C[ESGC2005 [-\]: this move was loud
ESGC2005 [-\]: but jan is wondering around the tournament hall
UTDEspy [-\]: Crack the goban loud?
ESGC2005 [-\]: now baline got up too
ESGC2005 [-\]: Balaine*
Medice [-\]: *wandering?
lusion [14k\]: lol
Tors [?\]: hand-to-hand combat? ;)
mat2tam [24k?\]: is it not unusual to leave the board during a match ?
ESGC2005 [-\]: Both players are back
Uberdude [20k\]: is this a game of go or a psychological battle?
burtabel [3d\]: it is very usual
mat2tam [24k?\]: oh
Medice [-\]: uber, it's always the both
ESGC2005 [-\]: table 2 have played 113 moves
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;W[fj]CR[fj]C[tarragone [10k?\]: a friend of mine left the board in a chess tournament when his opponent forgot to hit the clock
Akimoon [6k\]: 113 and here 28.. hui ^^
UTDEspy [-\]: Who has used more time so far? White or black? Or are thy running close to eachother?
mat2tam [24k?\]: did he won tarragone ?
ESGC2005 [-\]: I can't see their times lemme check
newcomer23 [11k?\]: what if black f6?
leperenoel [20k\]: what's the level of the players?
newcomer23 [11k?\]: 5d / 4d
ESGC2005 [-\]: black has 32 minutes left white has 39
leperenoel [20k\]: ok
Mellonsan [9k\]: would someone give me some information about this tournament
wicket [?\]: sounds risky, what ifthe opponent notices just after he's gone?:o
newcomer23 [11k?\]: funny nick leper:D
leperenoel [20k\]: :D
ESGC2005 [-\]: mellonsan check my info
Mellonsan [9k\]: thx
ESGC2005 [-\]: Jan just checked blacks time
myao [9d?\]: oh, that is mean :>
ESGC2005 [-\]: :)
bugalugs: how old is he?
newcomer23 [11k?\]: 23
Tommy [?\]: could any higher dan give comments?
bugalugs: pretty immature....
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;B[hl]CR[hl]C[bugalugs: i hope he loses
leperenoel [20k\]: good idea tommy ^^
wicket [?\]: why's that immature?
ESGC2005 [-\]: it is not immature it's just part of the game
bugalugs: it's just an arrogant thing to do
myao [9d?\]: good for W
wicket [?\]: lol no it's not
myao [9d?\]: as stone efficiency higher
bugalugs: wicket, why is it not?
wicket [?\]: it's important to know how much time you and your opponent have in a game
bugalugs: it depends how you do it
wicket [?\]: well why should it be arrogant?
gecko [9k\]: what's this?
gecko [9k\]: what's going on?
mellkor [6k\]: lookong at opponents time , i dont think its mean or imature just 2 know i would guess
myao [9d?\]: d14 is very big
bugalugs: considering that ESG points it out, i got the impression he did it in a fairly deliberately obvious fashion
ESGC2005 [-\]: on table 2 csama plays a loud move(114) after a long thinking and leaves the table
ESGC2005 [-\]: Csaba*
wicket [?\]: well stop assuming :)
myao [9d?\]: egsc? hwere to find result table?
bugalugs: same goes for you wicket
Astrae [4k\]: When w will have to take care of J4/L4 ? And where should he play to protect them ? (N3?)
ESGC2005 [-\]: my info
sleepywind [3k\]: to myao : thx for comments ! 
troll [2k\]: http://delic.iki.fi/esgc2005.txt
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;W[hj]CR[hj]C[wicket [?\]: hey i'm not caling people arrogant based on my assumptions
biquette [8k?\]: guillaume is +259, so he can register 4d, there is a 4à pts tolerance i believe
biquette [8k?\]: 40
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;B[mp]CR[mp]C[UTDEspy [-\]: How is time handled that he'd check in a noticeable way? Is there an official timekeeper?
ESGC2005 [-\]: Ing clocks
myao [9d?\]: n4 is counter attack
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;W[kn]CR[kn]C[UTDEspy [-\]: Doesn't it have a visual display that you could simply glance at?
ESGC2005 [-\]: you only see your own time. you need to press a button to see the others time
UTDEspy [-\]: Ahhh
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;B[jl]CR[jl]C[Danski [19k\]: shouldn't black maybe try to use l5 to make moyo at the p6 area?
oco [1d\]: there is no potential for any moyo around p6
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;W[mo]CR[mo]C[Avidya [3d?\]: Danski, because of r10 that area is too small
Avidya [3d?\]: and r10 settles too easily
]
;B[no]CR[no]
;W[mn]CR[mn]C[Danski [19k\]: I see some area forming with r8 and n6 instead of k8
Astrae [4k\]: So black should enclose the upper rigt corner to attack R10 ?
Avidya [3d?\]: yes, danki, but it's not big enough
Danski [19k\]: ok
]
;B[lp]CR[lp]
;W[jn]CR[jn]
;B[fn]CR[fn]C[Avidya [3d?\]: i think c3 was more interesting than f6
ESGC2005 [-\]: on table 2 Kare Jantunen shakes his head abit
ESGC2005 [-\]: Csaba is gone
Danski [19k\]: who is better at the moment?
newcomer23 [11k?\]: poor csaba:)
newcomer23 [11k?\]: how is klara doing on board #3 ?
newcomer23 [11k?\]: please...
ESGC2005 [-\]: I can't see the table but she just drank some soda ;)
myao [9d?\]: who is klara?
ESGC2005 [-\]: I only see her back
ESGC2005 [-\]: Klara Zaloudkova on table 3
ESGC2005 [-\]: playing against Fincke Jonas
newcomer23 [11k?\]: czech 1d
JacquesGo [12k\]: her back is pretty or not ? 
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;W[nn]CR[nn]C[myao [9d?\]: .........
myao [9d?\]: we now understand some guy's purpose to play go.....
newcomer23 [11k?\]: she´s all pretty:D
playgo [6k\]: ?
myao [9d?\]: o6 very thick
ESGC2005 [-\]: there are some very beatiful women players
myao [9d?\]: like-?
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;B[jd]CR[jd]C[Uberdude [20k\]: o6 reduce black side territrory
surtizoka [20k\]: but k 16 is better
drul [12k\]: how about d 14
surtizoka [20k\]: more important
Yoru [11k\]: manuela lindemeyer >_< go manja go
Danski [19k\]: k16 seems like an awfully normal move for a dan to make
]
;W[df]CR[df]C[newcomer23 [11k?\]: lets ask some dan:D
JacquesGo [12k\]: White group D4 is 100 % alive ? 
QI [?\]: what game is this please ?
drul [12k\]: oh bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Avidya [3d?\]: strong players know when to make normal moves =)
Avidya [3d?\]: even Go Seigen says so
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;B[ql]CR[ql]C[UTDEspy [-\]: You think a dan Wouldn't make ordinary moves?
]
;W[qf]CR[qf]C[newcomer23 [11k?\]: if i were dan...:D:D:D
UTDEspy [-\]: Dans make More ordinary moves. Not like the crazy places some kyus drop the stones
SoulShard [14k?\]: Dans are also people!
myao [9d?\]: r8 bad aji
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;B[qh]CR[qh]C[Jazzman [3k\]: i guess from Dasn point of view... kyu players dont paly ordinary :-)
myao [9d?\]: wow
]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[nd]CR[nd]C[UTDEspy [-\]: They really don't
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;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[pi]CR[pi]
;W[qc]CR[qc]C[Tommy [?\]: whats to wow myao?
]
;B[pj]CR[pj]C[newcomer23 [11k?\]: starting to be very fast
mat2tam [24k?\]: how many time do they have now ?
SoulShard [14k?\]: Hmmm..Who gained more from this trade?
newcomer23 [11k?\]: m16 for white, if i were white
ESGC2005 [-\]: black has 20 minutes white has 28
elcaro [1k\]: White is sente and can play C13 : very big
QI [?\]: life seems bigger
myao [9d?\]: r13, then m16
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;W[np]CR[np]C[newcomer23 [11k?\]: thanks
myao [9d?\]: what??
ESGC2005 [-\]: Don't ask me
newcomer23 [11k?\]: im not that wrong
newcomer23 [11k?\]: :o))
ESGC2005 [-\]: he is the 5 dan
kolben [?\]: what is the best move for w on the left side?
ESGC2005 [-\]: Jan left the table again
Uberdude [20k\]: c14 dead?
newcomer23 [11k?\]: he can afford it:D
ESGC2005 [-\]: Balaine is thinking hard
QI [?\]: anything on the left is bad as long as white is unsettled
elcaro [1k\]: P5 looks possible
newcomer23 [11k?\]: this is more thriller than go:))
myao [9d?\]: p5, of course
Uberdude [20k\]: then w o3?
myao [9d?\]: W=dead
myao [9d?\]: o4 miscalcu
Akimoon [6k\]: dead yet?
troll [2k\]: maybe white just sacrifices to make shape?
myao [9d?\]: how?
kolben [?\]: mabe w want to play l3 in sente
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;B[nq]CR[nq]C[elcaro [1k\]: But O3, P5 and black C13 is better
troll [2k\]: because black is thick around and he may be worried about N6
]
;W[qn]CR[qn]C[elcaro [1k\]: C13
troll [2k\]: L3 would have been sente, right?
]
;B[qm]CR[qm]C[Uberdude [20k\]: myao, do you think black didn't p5 cos then n4 in danger?
troll [2k\]: myao [9d?\]: W=dead
]
;W[pn]CR[pn]C[myao [9d?\]: no
myao [9d?\]: o4 is dead
fermat [3d?\]: I don't see the point... b p5 almost saves the right side, therefore he could even afford giving up n4 stones...
myao [9d?\]: o3 too weak, no pressure on W
SoulShard [14k?\]: B p5 now?
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;B[pc]CR[pc]C[SoulShard [14k?\]: Or not :)
aboulafia [12k?\]: se says jigo :o)
Danski [19k\]: wouldn't p5 be sente for black?
ESGC2005 [-\]: In score est. we trust
QI [?\]: lol
]
;W[hc]CR[hc]C[leperenoel [20k\]: adou> oula! jeu de mot en anglais! tu prend des risques! ^^
aboulafia [12k?\]: what r u talking about leperenoel?
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;B[rf]CR[rf]C[elcaro [1k\]: P5 is too small. Aji keshi
lusion [14k\]: what risks?
leperenoel [20k\]: never mind...
Tommy [?\]: H17 mistake? Better R13?
Michiel [?\]: Hm.. Is it new that KGS can actually show the names of both players when someone else is controling the game?
Michiel [?\]: Haven't seen it before.
ESGC2005 [-\]: It's about skills
ESGC2005 [-\]: I know the tricks
Michiel [?\]: Heh.
ESGC2005 [-\]: you need to make an sgf file first and then upload it to the server
idefix [12k\]: this game looks very cool and professional
elcaro [1k\]: congratulations Esgc2005
SoulShard [14k?\]: Uploaded an SGF file, did you :D?
SoulShard [14k?\]: Meh, too late ^^
Michiel [?\]: Yep. Nice trick.
elcaro [1k\]: S13
aboulafia [12k?\]: Demo games ain't good enuf 4 u heh?
Danski [19k\]: how can you upload a sgf file?
idefix [12k\]: ftp?
ESGC2005 [-\]: file menu in main kgs window
idefix [12k\]: :o
Uberdude [20k\]: lol, score est says l6 group dead but gives white territory around there
Danski [19k\]: ah, thanks
ESGC2005 [-\]: Jan almost played a move but now he is thinking again and the stone he took from the bowl is on the table
ESGC2005 [-\]: next to his chopstick
elcaro [1k\]: Score estimation is 30kyu
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;W[qe]CR[qe]C[Michiel [?\]: Neh. SE is better than that. But not much.
lionking [2d?\]: weird game
SoulShard [14k?\]: What are you talking about? When was ever SE wrong? *rolls eyes*
QI [?\]: time to use the aji ?
elcaro [1k\]: What is the good move for Black around D14
]
;B[dg]CR[dg]C[SoulShard [14k?\]: This ^^
wicket [?\]: d13
ESGC2005 [-\]: Loud move again
]
;W[ef]CR[ef]
;B[eg]CR[eg]C[tarragone [10k?\]: esgc, anything new from board 2?
Danski [19k\]: c13 for W?
QI [?\]: pretty good game
ESGC2005 [-\]: board 2 is on move 163
elcaro [1k\]: Atari is haykusho move ?
elcaro [1k\]: sorry Hyakusho
SoulShard [14k?\]: Hyakusho?
tarragone [10k?\]: the clock counts the moves?
Michiel [?\]: Or a person.
burtabel [3d\]: wow this is a featured replay, with sound information
ESGC2005 [-\]: boards  4 and 6 have no players so I think the games are over there
ESGC2005 [-\]: clock shows the moves
elcaro [1k\]: 1 hour each ESGC2005 ?
Michiel [?\]: Then it's already better than my clock. :P
ESGC2005 [-\]: black has 13 minutes and I can't se whites time
ESGC2005 [-\]: maybe around 20
Tommy [?\]: myao, what about these last moves of white?
ESGC2005 [-\]: white has 17 minutes
ESGC2005 [-\]: Balaine has left the table
mat2tam [24k?\]: C13 good ?
Kord [-\]: Go Guillaume !
ESGC2005 [-\]: Jan is thinking hard
ESGC2005 [-\]: Balaine is back
]
;W[fg]CR[fg]
;B[ei]CR[ei]C[yebisu [3d\]: esgc - where are the overall scores or something like that? ;)
ESGC2005 [-\]: in my info
yebisu [3d\]: ah yeah sorry
yebisu [3d\]: didn't look at the bottom
]
;W[ej]CR[ej]
;B[ff]CR[ff]
;W[ee]CR[ee]
;B[gg]CR[gg]C[ESGC2005 [-\]: table ing clock started to yell something about 5 minutes
ESGC2005 [-\]: table 2
Danski [19k\]: yell?
ESGC2005 [-\]: they make sounds
yebisu [3d\]: is there a byo?
Uberdude [20k\]: wouldn't b f15 require a response and strengthen f14, or does that reduce aji?
ESGC2005 [-\]: they sound like  year olds
ESGC2005 [-\]: ing rules
ESGC2005 [-\]: so you can buy extra time or something like that
UTDEspy [-\]: Ing clocks will shout like angry children about remaining time
elcaro [1k\]: driving tesuji seems OK for Black
Joorin [6k?\]: black aiming for driving tesuji?
Javaness [5k\]: come on angry children never shout about the time
Joorin [6k?\]: bah. ;)
burtabel [3d\]: i love ing clock
elcaro [1k\]: I think F13 was bad
bulma [9k?\]: it's not that you buy time
bulma [9k?\]: if you use basic time, you have no penalty
bulma [9k?\]: then you have 3 periods of extratime
wicket [?\]: hard to see how W is going to get out of this
bulma [9k?\]: in total they make half the basic time
mohsart [12k\]: ing clocks are ok, if you cut the wires to the speaker
tarragone [10k?\]: yeah, you buy extra time with points
bulma [9k?\]: for each period, you get 2 points penalty
Kord [-\]: 20min per period ?
tarragone [10k?\]: 10min
Kord [-\]: uh
]
;W[fh]CR[fh]
;B[fi]CR[fi]
;W[eh]CR[eh]C[Uberdude [20k\]: if you play a certain number of stones in period do you get it renewed?
bulma [9k?\]: 10 min, if basic time = 60 mins
tarragone [10k?\]: uberdude, no
fermat [3d?\]: wow, that is supposed to be good for w?
bulma [9k?\]: after third period, you lose on time
Uberdude [20k\]: ok, thanks
ESGC2005 [-\]: last round on table 3 someone lost on time
ESGC2005 [-\]: the other guy had 30 secods left and the other ran out of time
]
;B[fe]CR[fe]C[newcomer23 [11k?\]: klara lost?
tarragone [10k?\]: no, last round
newcomer23 [11k?\]: or the "tker guy":D
newcomer23 [11k?\]: ??
tarragone [10k?\]: not this round
]
;W[ed]CR[ed]C[newcomer23 [11k?\]: ok
newcomer23 [11k?\]: thx
]
;B[gh]CR[gh]
;W[dh]CR[dh]
;B[di]CR[di]
;W[cg]CR[cg]C[ESGC2005 [-\]: table 2 game ended 
ESGC2005 [-\]: Csaba seems to have won
newcomer23 [11k?\]: you said csaba is gone ages ago:D
tarragone [10k?\]: newcomer, slow day for you?
ESGC2005 [-\]: He came back ;)
]
;B[gj]CR[gj]C[ESGC2005 [-\]: black has 6 minutes left and white has 7
]
;W[ci]CR[ci]
;B[gi]CR[gi]C[Uberdude [20k\]: black going for big centre?
newcomer23 [11k?\]: youre a nice guy tarragone:(
]
;W[rg]CR[rg]C[TeeSushi [12k\]: b wants to build up some moyo in the middle?
bulma [9k?\]: how about joan? did he win?
Tommy [?\]: myao, keisuke and kocmohabt any ideas about the game. Or the roundings of the players? ;)
Chrom [10k\]: hey, it was a joke! ;)
]
;B[hd]CR[hd]C[newcomer23 [11k?\]: m16
]
;W[ic]CR[ic]C[mellkor [6k\]: c10 kills correct>>>??
]
;B[jc]CR[jc]C[QI [?\]: no
Joorin [6k?\]: the cut at C10 looks interesting but it looks like gote for black and small because of that, correct?
mellkor [6k\]: but it kills
bulma [9k?\]: tarragone, esgc, can you find out if joan alemany won the 3rd round?
fermat [3d?\]: well, c10 rather collects 3 stones than killing ;)
mellkor [6k\]: oh wel 
mellkor [6k\]: :P
mellkor [6k\]: *well
]
;W[rh]CR[rh]C[QI [?\]: well in emergency w could even play ko
ESGC2005 [-\]: on table 9 Simo Eerola won Joan
]
;B[rj]CR[rj]C[j4ys0n [5k?\]: .
]
;W[ri]CR[ri]C[bulma [9k?\]: ok, thanks! :(
bulma [9k?\]: say greetings to joan 
tarragone [10k?\]: simo eerola is 2 dan, no wonder he won :)
Akiko1 [8k\]: Finns always win
Cityman [8k\]: hmm to me it looks really bad for b here
Uberdude [20k\]: fermat: well, c10 rather collects 3 stones than killing ;): - but in doing so will also make d9 etc territory so probably about 10 points?
ESGC2005 [-\]: Round 3 wont be covered live on kgs. but the sgf might come tomorrow for download
Joorin [6k?\]: even if black lives white can move out at N9 to reduce center.
Cityman [8k\]: yes
myao [9d?\]: cityman
myao [9d?\]: i am asking u in swedish room
]
;B[mg]CR[mg]C[Cityman [8k\]: oh looking teher now ^^
]
;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[rq]CR[rq]C[ESGC2005 [-\]: I mean round4
]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[qk]CR[qk]C[Danski [19k\]: would q3 instead of r3 have worked?
burtabel [3d\]: yes but black didnt want to give White the atari at r4
Danski [19k\]: ok
]
;B[ol]CR[ol]C[Uberdude [20k\]: was h16 really worth losing the side?
fermat [3d?\]: h16 neccessary if b wants to make any territory in the middle
burtabel [3d\]: yes but then n13 necessary too
burtabel [3d\]: not clear to me who gained
Uberdude [20k\]: also wasn't L6 group looking weak before
]
;W[oo]CR[oo]C[rhubarb [5k\]: c10 sente?
ElAlmaZen [14k\]: S6?
newcomer23 [11k?\]: n8:(
Tarrasch [9k\]: w M9 instead of P5 was no good?
lusion [14k\]: why P5 rather than P4?
fermat [3d?\]: question for b is how to play around n8 and save the two r8 stones at the same time :)
]
;B[dr]CR[dr]C[ElAlmaZen [14k\]: more liberties
snowman [-\]: p5 is weird, yes
burtabel [3d\]: not at all weird
burtabel [3d\]: if p4, then after black p7, r5 becomes sente for black
]
;W[en]CR[en]C[ElAlmaZen [14k\]: or S6?
]
;B[fm]CR[fm]C[burtabel [3d\]: White n14 might become difficult fight
TeeSushi [12k\]: N14 N15 O14 M14 ??
TeeSushi [12k\]: mh no
thursday [8k\]: go wlodek go!! :)
TeeSushi [12k\]: N14 N15 M14 O14 O13 O15 O12 ??
Danski [19k\]: looks like black dies
Danski [19k\]: with that
rhubarb [5k\]: whats the idea behind d2?
ElAlmaZen [14k\]: what is their rank?
snowman [-\]: to rob white's corner, maybe
newcomer23 [11k?\]: white will have time problem:o((
]
;W[cq]CR[cq]C[rhubarb [5k\]: e4 cut?
myao [9d?\]: hi weiland
groove [2k\]: hi :)
ESGC2005 [-\]: both are short on time I believe
myao [9d?\]: c3 safe play, W wins
ESGC2005 [-\]: or using extra time that is
Michiel [?\]: ElAlmaZen: Jan is 5 dan, Balaine is 4 dan.
newcomer23 [11k?\]: myao can u explain the coming moves? you do you feel about the corner fight
newcomer23 [11k?\]: sorry
ElAlmaZen [14k\]: thx
newcomer23 [11k?\]: center fight
]
;B[ll]CR[ll]C[rhubarb [5k\]: w does seem ahead
myao [9d?\]: q9
newcomer23 [11k?\]: oh, thats enough?
isaka [-\]: hi, who's playing?
newcomer23 [11k?\]: cut then?
tarragone [10k?\]: in cgoban, the players' names are shown below the observers list
newcomer23 [11k?\]: oooops
isaka [-\]: tx
]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[qr]CR[qr]C[Uberdude [20k\]: over for black?
lusion [14k\]: now i see why p5 rather than p4 :)
snowman [-\]: please explain to me as well :)
Michiel [?\]: This lowly 15 kyu doesn't understand why R2 is so devestating.
]
;B[rr]CR[rr]C[burtabel [3d\]: it isnt
Michiel [?\]: Ok.
fermat [3d?\]: hmm
burtabel [3d\]: but still now white can cut at n3
fermat [3d?\]: b p2 would have worked better?
burtabel [3d\]: well s5 as sente for White is also big
]
;W[ml]CR[ml]
;B[mk]CR[mk]C[burtabel [3d\]: i dont get why they dont play q9
]
;W[lk]CR[lk]
;B[kk]CR[kk]
;W[nk]CR[nk]
;B[mj]CR[mj]C[TeeSushi [12k\]: ^^
]
;W[nl]CR[nl]
;B[nj]CR[nj]C[TeeSushi [12k\]: N14 
ESGC2005 [-\]: Just to remind you. Round 4 wont be covered live
fermat [3d?\]: hmm, giving up r8 stones seems too big to me...
Uberdude [20k\]: q9 now?
]
;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[pk]CR[pk]
;W[pm]CR[pm]C[Uberdude [20k\]: p9 better than o10? as saves r8 and centre only reduced a little
TeeSushi [12k\]: are they short on time?
snowman [-\]: that black group can even live :)
ESGC2005 [-\]: kind of
ESGC2005 [-\]: both are using extra time
]
;B[jb]CR[jb]C[groove [2k\]: yes easy to live
]
;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[id]CR[id]
;W[mf]CR[mf]
;B[nf]CR[nf]
;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[ng]CR[ng]C[snowman [-\]: big yose plays all around
]
;W[oe]CR[oe]
;B[me]CR[me]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[le]CR[le]C[groove [2k\]: canw play o17?
TeeSushi [12k\]: time to resign? or sth like that
myao [9d?\]: yes,  o17
ESGC2005 [-\]: Balaine doesn't seem happy
myao [9d?\]: game over
groove [2k\]: yes
TeeSushi [12k\]: 017 works??
Uberdude [20k\]: c10 for black now? if get sente
rhubarb [5k\]: dont need to
rhubarb [5k\]: at least seki
TeeSushi [12k\]: ??
TeeSushi [12k\]: damn how can you calculate this?
ESGC2005 [-\]: Jan is calculating
myao [9d?\]: safe way is o17, p18
myao [9d?\]: if time pressure is big
TeeSushi [12k\]: safe way?
burtabel [3d\]: just n17 seems to do the job, too
Cityman [8k\]: myao look priv chat
TeeSushi [12k\]: i would play P16 O17 P17 O18 P18 
]
;W[mc]CR[mc]C[TeeSushi [12k\]: thats save for me ^^
]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[nb]CR[nb]C[rhubarb [5k\]: nice
Batavia [12k\]: true, it's safe, but if you can gain more...
Trumelunki [4d\]: N18 tesuji?
]
;B[mb]CR[mb]C[saxo [4k\]: what about C10 ?
TeeSushi [12k\]: to much space i'm just german 6k
groove [2k\]: wow
tudorus [-\]: 1 point at the end is enough batavia^^
myao [9d?\]: hehe
tarragone [10k?\]: nice trumelunki :)
myao [9d?\]: i like u, burtable :>
snowman [-\]: i think black would have won the semeai even without this "tesuji"
burtabel [3d\]: whew
]
;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[ma]CR[ma]C[fermat [3d?\]: getting hard for w now^^
]
;W[na]CR[na]
;B[lc]CR[lc]
;W[la]CR[la]
;B[mb]CR[mb]C[tudorus [-\]: q18
freeks [16k\]: is this game?
Batavia [12k\]: is black that much ahead?
]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[snowman [-\]: no, this is a party
groove [2k\]: yes, time to link back now
freeks [16k\]: yes, real game or not?
tudorus [-\]: y
]
;B[ld]CR[ld]C[saxo [4k\]: bC10 ?
freeks [16k\]: p18 instead of m16?
ESGC2005 [-\]: this is real game broadcasted live from Helsinki Finland. European student go championship
ESGC2005 [-\]: roudn3 table 1
Uberdude [20k\]: c10 getting big
mellkor [6k\]: who is ahead now???
newcomer23 [11k?\]: white
newcomer23 [11k?\]: white dominates:D:D:D
binky [16k\]: se says W by 21
TeeSushi [12k\]: white needs P18 right?
]
;W[em]CR[em]
;B[el]CR[el]C[ab69f [?\]: no
TeeSushi [12k\]: oh
TeeSushi [12k\]: i see
ab69f [?\]: ^^
rhubarb [5k\]: about 10 points ahead?
TeeSushi [12k\]: i was blind and can see now ;)
tarragone [10k?\]: i don't think c10 worked
myao [9d?\]: c9 just
myao [9d?\]: W leads with at least 10p
]
;W[bl]CR[bl]
;B[ge]CR[ge]
;W[cl]CR[cl]C[freeks [16k\]: do not trust se i guess
]
;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[gb]CR[gb]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[fb]CR[fb]
;B[hb]CR[hb]
;W[dm]CR[dm]
;B[ro]CR[ro]
;W[rn]CR[rn]
;B[cr]CR[cr]C[snowman [-\]: terrible endgame by black
]
;W[br]CR[br]C[freeks [16k\]: yup
groove [2k\]: didn't b s9 then s6 work?
newcomer23 [11k?\]: can white eat something botoom right?
fermat [3d?\]: what? s5? couldn't b save r8 stones??
Uberdude [20k\]: lost o19 area and middle left side
freeks [16k\]: yes, groove
snowman [-\]: black's life and death was not very good either :)
ESGC2005 [-\]: time trouble so they don't have so much time to think
]
;B[ir]CR[ir]C[elcaro [1k\]: S5 : S6 is alive !!
]
;W[hq]CR[hq]C[elcaro [1k\]: Blacl is blind now
]
;B[hr]CR[hr]C[freeks [16k\]: S9 ,R11 ,S6 black alive
]
;W[kq]CR[kq]
;B[fd]CR[fd]C[Uberdude [20k\]: white stone at s6!
ab69f [?\]: He was speaking about the alternative b S6 instead of b S5
]
;W[gq]CR[gq]C[freeks [16k\]: when?
rhubarb [5k\]: could have lived before with s9
]
;B[gr]CR[gr]
;W[fq]CR[fq]
;B[fr]CR[fr]
;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[er]CR[er]C[tukan [14k\]: hmm
ab69f [?\]: Hm
freeks [16k\]: eh
tukan [14k\]: black need to see he doesn't have a chance
freeks [16k\]: d3 is not good for white now I guess
tukan [14k\]: don't tell me...
]
;W[mr]CR[mr]
;B[nr]CR[nr]C[TeeSushi [12k\]: d3 is 1 pt
]
;W[eb]CR[eb]C[newcomer23 [11k?\]: ???
TeeSushi [12k\]: D3 B3 E4 J5 
ESGC2005 [-\]: black resigned
ESGC2005 [-\]: W+
Trumelunki [4d\]: thank you for showing the game
Uberdude [20k\]: thanks esgc
Emichi [29k?\]: thanks
Danski [19k\]: yes, thank you
lusion [14k\]: thanks!
pilek [23k\]: thanks 
groove [2k\]: thx
ESGC2005 [-\]: thank you KGS
binky [16k\]: thank you 
Trumelunki [4d\]: Are the results somewhere in the net?
ESGC2005 [-\]: my info soon 
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