(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[3x60 byo-yomi]
GN[57th European Go Congress, Round 7]PW[Fan Hui]PB[Shikshin Ilja]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2013-08-06]EV[57th European Go Congress Main Tournament]RO[7]PC[Olsztyn, Poland]C[Eduardo [2k\]: :o, nice rematch :D
Eduardo [2k\]: good day everyone :D
weiqidevil [-\]: good morning
Ootakamoku [2d\]: they played 2 days ago in the weekend tournament and ilja won that game.
Eduardo [2k\]: yeah, i hope amazing battles xd 
Rackam [2d\]: very dificult to win twice in a row against Fan
Rackam [2d\]: in europe only Dai jun Fu did it i think
Gorim [1d\]: yeah and winning against Ilja twice in a row is piece of cake
Rackam [2d\]: so it will be a nice and intersting game
chagi [2k\]: hello everybody
chagi [2k\]: great match coming
Rackam [2d\]: with those time conditions, i bet Fan will win
Manslay [9k?\]: nobody knows
grandaure [5k\]: Week-end tournament was 1h each thinking time, this one is 2h30. 
teeth [3d\]: OOo rematch of the giants >:O
oceans13 [1k\]: how many rounds left on egc main?
grandaure [5k\]: this one + 3 rounds
yew [3k\]: If Ilya wins, they should take a shared lead
oceans13 [1k\]: if ilja win this one, could he become a champ?
oceans13 [1k\]: thanks
TurtleDove [4k?\]: don't they have play-offs after this round ?
Eduardo [2k\]: 10 rounds
grandaure [5k\]: The last 3 rounds are a special tournament. The 8 best european citizend compete for euro champ titla
Eduardo [2k\]: yes, play off 
Eduardo [2k\]: top 8
grandaure [5k\]: *title
Rackam [2d\]: two french players at the top of the results sheet, i haent seen that for a while...
TurtleDove [4k?\]: so these 2 already qualified for the play-offs
Eduardo [2k\]: fan hui and ilja?
JonSnow [4d\]: probably
Eduardo [2k\]: play off is 1vs8 , 2vs7 , so?
JonSnow [4d\]: no
grandaure [5k\]: So an other match between Fan hui and Ilja is possible
JonSnow [4d\]: there will be one or two qualification  games on tomorrow
JonSnow [4d\]: between the players with mms 39 and the lowest sos
oceans13 [1k\]: if fanhui win, make more easy for him
oceans13 [1k\]: but ilja is though he won't let fan win easily :p
JonSnow [4d\]: fan is already qualified
Backflash [6k?\]: oh wow
Backflash [6k?\]: revenge of the sith incoming faaaast
JonSnow [4d\]: but there is a small possibility that if Ilya loses he has to play a game tomorrow
goren2 [2k\]: i want to see antti
hhr: JonSnow: if Kurita Shigeru wins today, one player of mms 38 will also be included in qualify, no?
JonSnow [4d\]: no it will be one qualifiying games instead of two
JonSnow [4d\]: but between players with mms 39
hhr: ah
JonSnow [4d\]: I did the maths :)
Rackam [2d\]: 10 
Xebo [4d\]: its explained in detail here: http://www.eurogofed.org/egf/ecrules.htm
donkisot [7d?\]: you know something jon 
Eduardo [2k\]: sos = mms ? :/...
Goleath [2k\]: Debarre/Törrmanen.... really wierd that game isn't shown.
Rackam [2d\]: 9
JonSnow [4d\]: mms = macmahon score, sos = sum of opponents mms
Ootakamoku [2d\]: mms = wins + starting points, sos = total wins by opponents.
Eduardo [2k\]: i understand now, thx
Rackam [2d\]: 8
hhr: who is gonna win here, Hui or Ilja?
donkisot [7d?\]: ofc ilja will win 
grandaure [5k\]: fan will win
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(;B[op]
;W[pd]
;B[dq]C[donkisot [7d?\]: wow nice start
T4L0N [1k\]: Not top right.
KurataSan [3d\]: i bet my money on w
T4L0N [1k\]: Interesting
MooDoGo [3k\]: changes fuseki
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;W[dd]
;B[co]
;W[jq]
;B[qf]C[chrayma [7k\]: B1 is on the hoshi
JonSnow [4d\]: or it's a new fuseki :)
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(;B[pp]
;W[pd]
;B[dq]C[reprisal [-\]: oh yeah
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;W[dd]C[reprisal [-\]: rematch
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;B[co]C[Lesmian [2d\]: Ilia will win again, but this time he will kill more stones, he must have felt very dissapointed after killing just 50 in previous game
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;W[jq]C[donkisot [7d?\]: now it makes sense :)
T4L0N [1k\]: lol
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;B[qf]C[EGC2013a [?\]: sorry, had to do 2 boards at once because scribe was not here and I missclicked :)
Nyanjilla [-\]: it's not easy, being a scribe
JonSnow [4d\]: in last game between those two, fan played o3 and lost, so he played k3 today
Kapma: Илья, вперед!
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;W[nq]C[game [8k\]: гоу в победу)
hhr: o3? o_O
Goleath [2k\]: doom!
Eduardo [2k\]: fan hui ,  вперед!!!!!
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b o17 for craziness, tho I suspect its overplay
Ootakamoku [2d\]: natural here would be urm.. q6?
Backflash [6k?\]: too natural
Eduardo [2k\]: b o17 is a trap xd
Backflash [6k?\]: so ilya wont play it
blurb1: ilia normal r6
Rackam [2d\]: m3 for fun
Backflash [6k?\]: id expect q6 from Fan though
T4L0N [1k\]: Q6 seems good
Eduardo [2k\]: q6 too high , i think
Blair [4k\]: sorry who's black, who's white ?
Backflash [6k?\]: fan vs shikshin
KurataSan [3d\]: Thomas vs Antti, where is it???!
kolayn112 [3k\]: 04
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w fan hui b shikshin ilja
goren2 [2k\]: o4 or q6
Ootakamoku [2d\]: o4 wont happen
Ootakamoku [2d\]: o4 would make k3 look sooooo good
jsnd [3k\]: i wish theyd fix mobile so you can see the names !
Backflash [6k?\]: o4 would be fun before w responds to it haha
Badduck [5d\]: i wish they would fix the sound
maltian [5k\]: u know nothing jon snow
donkisot [7d?\]: m3 for fun plz 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b m3 would be crazy mess
Badduck [5d\]: i want o17
jsnd [3k\]: b should pass here to strike fear into w
maltian [5k\]: tengen or p15 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: feels hard to justify o17, as double approach on q4 more severe than double approach on q16
Badduck [5d\]: why is this so?
goren2 [2k\]: yeah, actually o4 does look funny with k3 there.  so 06 or r6
TurtleDove [4k?\]: Ilya seems to like a shimari like lower left in most of his recent games
kmlck [1k\]: epic game
jsnd [3k\]: yeah, ilya has been playing out this fuseki a lot recently
teeth [3d\]: good idea to not repeat the past ^-^
Ootakamoku [2d\]: badduk, since w has support of k3 so close by?
Eduardo [2k\]: q10
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;B[lq]C[sdfsdddf: :D
Eduardo [2k\]: for fun xD
Rackam [2d\]: yeah
Badduck [5d\]: yes and behind k3 we have a b shimari :-)
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;W[no]
;B[qn]C[Manslay [9k?\]: for fan
Eduardo [2k\]: l4
Ootakamoku [2d\]: badduck, sure but I still feel the advantage is for w in a fight, even if its not as big as without bottom left shimari
goren2 [2k\]: l5
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;W[pr]
;B[qq]
;W[kp]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: I think w likes this result
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;B[nc]C[MooDoGo [3k\]: i thought ilja prepaired something?!
teeth [3d\]: i like white's result
Eduardo [2k\]: p15 must xd
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;W[pf]C[goren2 [2k\]: so that m3 was toget sente out of it to play 017.  interesting
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;B[pg]
;W[of]C[T4L0N [1k\]: sente for double approach
Ootakamoku [2d\]: eduardo, p15 is for taking sente
Eduardo [2k\]: noo xd
Backflash [6k?\]: i hate ilya games, cant even trun my head for a moment somehting like this happens
Ootakamoku [2d\]: eduardo, p15 r17 tenuki is the normal variation, and cant see any super imoprtant place to spend sente
Rackam [2d\]: m3 has somme aji
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;B[qe]C[Rackam [2d\]: with h3 
Eduardo [2k\]: ootaka, i see , thx 
Badduck [5d\]: p15 is normal??
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;W[qd]C[goren2 [2k\]: p13
Ootakamoku [2d\]: badduck, I meant if w plays p15 instead of q14
kmlck [1k\]: r12
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;B[ob]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: continuation on earlier comment
Badduck [5d\]: me too 
Backflash [6k?\]: oh this is getting weird fast
jsnd [3k\]: p18 clearly the move here
jsnd [3k\]: only move
fab [3d\]: hmm, in my personal book, P18 is considered a trick move
Ootakamoku [2d\]: well, its standard continuation after p15, which is why I thought it wouldnt be played, because its not a usefull sequence for w on this board
fab [3d\]: N16 is usual
chrayma [7k\]: p16 ?
sdfsdddf: SE says w+72
spargo [6k\]: trick move means really good move?
Goleath [2k\]: hey, didn't artem play this vs. ilya in an earlier game?
Goleath [2k\]: P18, that is
goren2 [2k\]: q15 then
Backflash [6k?\]: spargo, saying trick move for weak players is like saying i wasnt so bad he tricked me
fab [3d\]: trick move means slightly suboptimal that can become very good if the opponent falls in one of the numerous traps
Backflash [6k?\]: wich basically means i was real bad
Epithany [3k?\]: No
spargo [6k\]: so not so good, but like "overplayed"?
Eduardo [2k\]: trick move = hamete?
Epithany [3k?\]: A matter of degree - it was only slightly suboptimal
goren2 [2k\]: not overplayed.  tricky
Ootakamoku [2d\]: spargo, overplay without a severe punishment
jsnd [3k\]: yeah kind of more like underplaying
jsnd [3k\]: with the hope of overplaying 
Rackam [2d\]: p 2 is second line move
spargo [6k\]: ok, thanks for the explanation :)
Ootakamoku [2d\]: usually from a good trickplay gone wrong you lose 1 point or so, but gain alot if opponent doesnt answer correctly
Rackam [2d\]: in fuseki
stoup [-\]: Aller Hui tu va battre Lija 
Rackam [2d\]: n 16 ?
goren2 [2k\]: tricky play is the basis of good go.  Only computers can  play against tricky play correctly (or will be eventually)
TurtleDove [4k?\]: is overplay a KGS kib term or is it used in Go circles generally ?
kmlck [1k\]: its a widely used term
reckone [13k\]: bet to black
Backflash [6k?\]: it used in strategy games generally
Ootakamoku [2d\]: hmm, maybe just w p16 here
reckone [13k\]: bet $5000 for white
kmlck [1k\]: o16
Eduardo [2k\]: p16 looks fine here
Badduck [5d\]: or o16
gorga [1k\]: who are the players?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: o16 here is most common answer, but not sure it looks good for w
kmlck [1k\]: b is roln
yuuki [1k\]: w fan b ilya
Ootakamoku [2d\]: with b having r6
kmlck [1k\]: w is fan hui
gorga [1k\]: nice thx
Eduardo [2k\]: hmm :/, i prefer p16 , is instict , though
KurataSan [3d\]: m16 
McCallaway [2d\]: p17
Rackam [2d\]: m 17 ?
KurataSan [3d\]: fan played m16 already
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;W[ld]C[jsnd [3k\]: p16 just seems so slow
kmlck [1k\]: wow
Eduardo [2k\]: m16 :o
Eduardo [2k\]: cut?
kmlck [1k\]: this move sacrifices corner right?
Shunsun [8k\]: clever move
donkisot [7d?\]: this joseki is beyond my knowledge 
gruenwald [2d\]: is this standard?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: err.. cant find m16 in db
gruenwald [2d\]: dunno it
Badduck [5d\]: this is not in josekipedia :-)
Eduardo [2k\]: m16 is tric move xd
Shunsun [8k\]: if b cut, w push
Eduardo [2k\]: trick*
Blair [4k\]: whatever happens, Fan remain first with 307 of SOS, while Ilya has 305 ?
SlySheep [1d\]: is Fan Hui in the race for the European title or just for the open part?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: there are like lots of choices that has been played as white, but never m16 >.<
Ootakamoku [2d\]: euripean title
Rackam [2d\]: the trcick move is p 18 not m 16
grandaure [5k\]: european title
Lionking [5d?\]: who is antti törmänen playing this round?
JonSnow [4d\]: debarre
Lionking [5d?\]: why is it not broadcasted if he has 5-1 wins?
TurtleDove [4k?\]: Fan Hui is French
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I wonder if w plays this m16 because of their previous game, where w also deviated from joseki, and practically lost the game because of the resulting fight
goren2 [2k\]: n16
Backflash [6k?\]: Blair look at MMS they say
JonSnow [4d\]: organizers prefered to broadcast other games
KurataSan [3d\]: ok
donkisot [7d?\]: ask egc2013b lionking :)
MooDoGo [3k\]: will white break up the right side?
KurataSan [3d\]: I have 16 games in kombilo
KurataSan [3d\]: with this shape
Eduardo [2k\]: q15?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: oh
Backflash [6k?\]: what happend there?
KurataSan [3d\]: (without m16)
Backflash [6k?\]: ah
KurataSan [3d\]: in all variations
Blair [4k\]: MMS would be equal if Ilya wins
fab [3d\]: well, both Debarre and Antti are already qualified for the finals, and their game hasn't the potential of a Fan vs Ilija
KurataSan [3d\]: b had a stone in l17 area
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ya, all standard until m16 :)
Lionking [5d?\]: could you link the camera for the boards please?
KurataSan [3d\]: so basically, w is punishing b here
grandaure [5k\]: http://egc2013.go.art.pl/page/live
Lionking [5d?\]: thank you grandaure
goren2 [2k\]: b n16 looks ok
donkisot [7d?\]: come on, noone can punish ilja :)
KurataSan [3d\]: m17 
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;B[lc]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: pretty sure w wants an opportunity to try to outread b
Backflash [6k?\]: everyone tries that
Eduardo [2k\]: l17
donkisot [7d?\]: crosscut would be fun here
Ootakamoku [2d\]: not really, lots of times and many players, they just choose whatever they think will lead to a win
Thumb [3d\]: L17 L16 and who knows
KurataSan [3d\]: b is waving his head
TurtleDove [4k?\]: Ilya was reading on the limit yesterday vs Surma and got it right
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;W[kc]C[Promethe [2k\]: crosscut
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;B[kd]C[Manslay [9k?\]: KurataSan, that's Pro thinking rhytm
Eduardo [2k\]: o.o
xong551: kurata is a professional
kourimizu [6d?\]: cc nice
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I have no clue how w thinks he can get a good result from this
Eduardo [2k\]: kurata kun? hikaru no go?
xueli [8k\]: lol
Backflash [6k?\]: kurata is quite common name
xong551: kun?
xong551: San please
SirEttin [1d\]: who are the players here?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: n17 m18 m15 ?
yuuki [1k\]: w fan and ilya
Eduardo [2k\]: xd
KurataSan [3d\]: umm yeah it's based on hikaru no go
KurataSan [3d\]: (my nickname)
Blair [4k\]: is that a joseki I should learn ?
donkisot [7d?\]: lets see the white tesuji and the idea behind m16
SirEttin [1d\]: thx
KurataSan [3d\]: n17 
Nyanjilla [-\]: don't learn joseki... study them
Blair [4k\]: was a joke
kourimizu [6d?\]: i want
KurataSan [3d\]: n17 m18 m15 
goren2 [2k\]: whatch it be like k17
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;W[mc]C[KurataSan [3d\]: they played it already
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;B[lb]
;W[le]C[KurataSan [3d\]: wah they're playing fast
xong551: kura ? why only kura for me? :(
KurataSan [3d\]: n16 
teeth [3d\]: b + res
Ootakamoku [2d\]: no n16
Ootakamoku [2d\]: bad idea
FuzzFace [1k\]: joseki is for noob, improvisation is beter
FuzzFace [1k\]: better*
Ootakamoku [2d\]: hane under uslaly better to avoid the forcing
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;B[md]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: and I was proven wrong :)
kmlck [1k\]: roln doesnt fear forcing
xong551: improvisation is for noobs, real reading is for pros
KurataSan [3d\]: I just wrote what he played
Backflash [6k?\]: isnt forcing here good for b?
KurataSan [3d\]: i didn't write my own opinion
KurataSan [3d\]: hehe
KurataSan [3d\]: n15 o16 
donkisot [7d?\]: i hope white won't need r13 soon
Backflash [6k?\]: b might eventually cut w here?
kmlck [1k\]: i bet fan didnt except n16
KurataSan [3d\]: n15 o16 l18 n18 
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;W[me]
;B[nd]C[SanekFree [3k\]: Хо-хо-хо, снова сошлись)))
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;W[kb]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: well, he needs it like urm.. now
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;B[mb]C[Eduardo [2k\]: hmmm
Ootakamoku [2d\]: thats a huge corner to give up
donkisot [7d?\]: kuratasan knows everything here
goren2 [2k\]: q15
donkisot [7d?\]: what next kuratasan? 
reckone [13k\]: yes
KurataSan [3d\]: fan didn't play
Backflash [6k?\]: he is watching the stream 
kourimizu [6d?\]: lol
Backflash [6k?\]: and it is not sporty
Eduardo [2k\]: p16?
Rukis [1k\]: If I go pro is it possible to change my name ? :D
Ootakamoku [2d\]: q15 does look normal, but really annoying not adding a move to j17 area
KurataSan [3d\]: but i already told you that i'm watching the stream lol
reckone [13k\]: predect the future
xong551: kurata is impressive, he started go 1 year ago and already 3d kgs
donkisot [7d?\]: r13 seems normal to me 
xong551: soon he is going for 6d
KurataSan [3d\]: i've started to play 2 and half years ago
WVoron [5d\]: к13
WVoron [5d\]: r13
Ootakamoku [2d\]: r13, nice idea yes
Manslay [9k?\]: i you go pro you will never play for fun again
Eduardo [2k\]: kuratasan, u are a real hero xd
goren2 [2k\]: damn, me too
KurataSan [3d\]: i would q115
KurataSan [3d\]: q15
KurataSan [3d\]: *
KurataSan [3d\]: and fan played now q15
xong551: see
IkkiRyu [8k\]: kurata reads minds.
donkisot [7d?\]: r13 s13 r12 s12 not good i think 
Backflash [6k?\]: spooooilers
Ootakamoku [2d\]: r13 r12 s13 s12 p13 q12 j17?
reckone [13k\]: because free game kurtasan played
Eduardo [2k\]: q15 r11
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;W[pe]C[KurataSan [3d\]: r15 k17 
Rukis [1k\]: even so 2 1/2 years should put most people at 3k-1d 
kmlck [1k\]: r12 or r11 here?
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;B[jc]C[xong551: 10 years of playing thousands game on kgs for fun put peoples on 1d kgs
Eduardo [2k\]: o.o
xong551: and some still 10k :)
KurataSan [3d\]: i'm a weak player
KurataSan [3d\]: lol
Rukis [1k\]: nope
Rukis [1k\]: k17
Rukis [1k\]: is the move :D
Backflash [6k?\]: i am 10k, and proud of it!
Ootakamoku [2d\]: so painfull letting b get to k17 :(
donkisot [7d?\]: ladder good for black 
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;W[jb]C[donkisot [7d?\]: j17 possible 
Shunsun [8k\]: roln is one of the most agressive player i know
xueli [8k\]: yeah i've learned go 15 years ago .. but it's only now that I try to get better ,à
xueli [8k\]: doesn't really matter when you learn :o
Backflash [6k?\]: it does
xong551: xueli, that is the kgs life
daftclair [8k\]: matters that you learn now
KurataSan [3d\]: i would j17 
xueli [8k\]: well I played real life until now so ...
Backflash [6k?\]: and now its gone?
JonSnow [4d\]: ladder good for w
kourimizu [6d?\]: yea
Backflash [6k?\]: "real life£ always cracks me up
dxxd [1d\]: real life byebye
Backflash [6k?\]: "*
xueli [8k\]: right now in japan ,go clubs are pretty much geezers
teeth [3d\]: geezers? what do u mean
sagesse [-\]: now just pushing along 2 line?
KurataSan [3d\]: old people
xueli [8k\]: in france however we have quite a lot of tournaments with few youngsters
donkisot [7d?\]: white q11 is big after this fight 
xong551: it's fine, u gonna find alot of dake-san guys on that place, strong enuf for simple playing.
donkisot [7d?\]: i misread the ladder :) 
donkisot [7d?\]: j17 not possible 
kourimizu [6d?\]: :)
xueli [8k\]: well I see fan hui et motoki in those places, so it's worth going ;)
sagesse [-\]: donkisot why is it not possible?
xueli [8k\]: once or twice xD
donkisot [7d?\]: j17 k16 l15 j16 problem 
JonSnow [4d\]: becaouse ladder good for w
Eduardo [2k\]: empty triangle, empty triangle everywhere o.o
KurataSan [3d\]: ladder is working for w..
sagesse [-\]: oh snap
sagesse [-\]: sure
donkisot [7d?\]: and black l14 has little effect on corner with r13 weakness 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ya, touches c5 but doesnt break it
Backflash [6k?\]: it is not empty triangle when its filled Eduardo
Rackam [2d\]: otherwise white should not have played that
Lake [3k\]: ilya doesnt need such cheap tricks as ladders to win
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I wonder if ilya missread the ladder..
Ootakamoku [2d\]: which is why he played k17 and then realized it doesnt work
donkisot [7d?\]: d10 j17 c14 too soft? 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: but if you want to do that, why make the k17 exchange?
Eduardo [2k\]: is a tactic, fan hui think only in ladders now :p. Ilya is thinking other tricks plays xd
donkisot [7d?\]: in my level it is possible ootaka but he is quite strong for that misread 
antiriad [?\]: who is b please?
yuuki [1k\]: ilya
kmlck [1k\]: roln
Rackam [2d\]: i prefer white game now
grandaure [5k\]: Ilja
antiriad [?\]: oh w is fan hui?
xong551: yes
KurataSan [3d\]: we all prefer w
grandaure [5k\]: yes
Eduardo [2k\]: ilja shikshin , kgs nick: roln xd
antiriad [?\]: thx
game [8k\]: ilija shikshin
Ootakamoku [2d\]: roln111
donkisot [7d?\]: how about q12 now? 
boybee: Ilya "strategy" is the same as in the weekend tournament:
grandaure [5k\]: fan hui is fanhui
JEGO [7k\]: no simplest way: BLACK J 17
Rackam [2d\]: r 14 week
boybee: to get situation as complicated as possible
Ootakamoku [2d\]: it looks like any tenuki will make k17 k18 exchange look bad :(
KurataSan [3d\]: u mean weak?
boybee: because he thinks that Fan
sagesse [-\]: q12 iss too honte for Ilia
boybee: is bad in reading
donkisot [7d?\]: q12 j17 c14 for example? 
Rackam [2d\]: no black moyo 
boybee: And this works yesterday...
Backflash [6k?\]: tell me, that ladder is bad since it makes walls for w?
boybee: sory two days ago
Weishenme [4d\]: J17 only move no ?
donkisot [7d?\]: q12 is half sente 
KurataSan [3d\]: j17 k16 
JonSnow [4d\]: j17 not possible because of ladder
Timk [1d\]: anyway, if black goes j17 he can't get bad result here
Ootakamoku [2d\]: weish, ladder is for w
daveminion [?\]: maybe k15
stoup [-\]: Fan Hui a gagné toutes ses partie non ?
KurataSan [3d\]: really bad for b
grandaure [5k\]: oui
Eduardo [2k\]: yes stoup
daveminion [?\]: speak english please
grandaure [5k\]: yes
Eduardo [2k\]: toutes, toutes
grandaure [5k\]: all, all
base [-\]: English isn't required daveminion
xong551: frumag
Weishenme [4d\]: true ootakamoku
Backflash [6k?\]: i even viewd it offlien to the end, why is it for w?
Epithany [3k?\]: European event so any language is OK
stoup [-\]: il est trop fort notre representant  :)
xong551: pate de fromage
Terranigma [2k\]: Backflah, maybe you forgot to push
grandaure [5k\]: Thomas Debarre is 2nd
KurataSan [3d\]: o15 
KurataSan [3d\]: b played o15
tumbao [1k\]: combiens de joueurs  reste t il ?
KurataSan [3d\]: o15 j17 
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;B[ne]C[SlySheep [1d\]: where can i see the results so far?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: this still looks very bad for b imo
Backflash [6k?\]: stop spoilering Kurata please
]
;W[ic]C[JonSnow [4d\]: http://egc2013.go.art.pl/EGC2013_main.html
grandaure [5k\]: http://www.egc2013.go.art.pl/EGC2013_main.html 
xong551: he is spoilering
SlySheep [1d\]: thanks a lot
Ootakamoku [2d\]: o14 p13 q12 but meh
xong551: this is bad
base [-\]: This doesn't look great for black at all
donkisot [7d?\]: o15 similar idea with q12 but probably better 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I dont see how that makes b happy
tumbao [1k\]: ci
donkisot [7d?\]: n14 better than o14 imo 
SoftKitty [1d?\]: Is that Ilyas food on the live-feed?
SoftKitty [1d?\]: *foot
Rackam [2d\]: fan se laisse déchire des keimas ?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: cant see how n14 would work :(
xong551: this is just sad
EGC2013a [?\]: yes, its indeed his foot, he likes to show it on live streams
xong551: b is broken
stoup [-\]: c'est etrange. on lui diras quand il rentrera :). 
goren2 [2k\]: p13
KurataSan [3d\]: b can still play
SoftKitty [1d?\]: He's like the Zohan
KurataSan [3d\]: don't give up, Ilya!
grandaure [5k\]: still r13 weakness
Rackam [2d\]: o 15 threaten to cut, white ignore and so ?
xong551: is funny to watch his foot on a go game
xong551: i get not payed for watch that but lol
Eduardo [2k\]: d10
Eduardo [2k\]: r11
Terranigma [2k\]: o14 is only option imo
MooDoGo [3k\]: c17 is available for black
Badduck [5d\]: b c17 big later
KurataSan [3d\]: i won't spoil
xong551: go lliya 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: moodogo, c17 not available in a real sense I think, giving w thickness would be game over
Rackam [2d\]: if not o 14 o 15 was strange
KurataSan [3d\]: wait for egc to play
xong551: haha thanks kurata
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;B[je]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: ooh, fancy move
sdfsdddf: er
sdfsdddf: wow
MooDoGo [3k\]: m15 is attacked
Eduardo [2k\]: o.o
xong551: being attacked you mean?
xong551: ops
Eduardo [2k\]: eat!
MooDoGo [3k\]: english is not my mothertongue
Rackam [2d\]: n 13 ?
Badduck [5d\]: k15 looks special
Terranigma [2k\]: no, o14...
Ootakamoku [2d\]: rackam, it looks natural, but dont see how it helps
xong551: are ya french?
xong551: pate de fromag
Eduardo [2k\]: xd
MooDoGo [3k\]: no
thepaper [2k?\]: haha
donkisot [7d?\]: r13 woould be very interesting now 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: how about make it complicated and play r11 now?
Terranigma [2k\]: why not just o14?
donkisot [7d?\]: q11 more complicated than r11 :) 
Eduardo [2k\]: too complicated for fan
Thumb [3d\]: I was thinking R13 (and that it was due to my ajikeshi style)
stoup [-\]: lol
Ootakamoku [2d\]: r13 has been played
Manslay [9k?\]: nice call
Rackam [2d\]: the 3 black stones are weak and alone what could they attack ?
]
;W[qg]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: r13 feels a bit like surrendering, accepting you cant get everything
manofearth [?\]: yes!
Eduardo [2k\]: s13 :/
Thumb [3d\]: W has got quite a bit in this corner
Terranigma [2k\]: this time really o14?
JEGO [7k\]: no way: s13 cecessary
globax [3d\]: the aim is sente to attack c14
Ootakamoku [2d\]: r13 is indeed very nice, in a way b has already punished himself, trying to make a complicated fight and asking to w to go along, where as w says "no, this is enough for me"
Weishenme [4d\]: 白=蟒蛇
globax [3d\]: so b could sacrifice
Eduardo [2k\]: xD
daveminion [?\]: lol
Rackam [2d\]: may bo o14 will never be played, b or w before a long time
sdfsdddf: j16
donkisot [7d?\]: this does not look good for black...c5 should have been at c6 :) 
sdfsdddf: nvm not crazy enough
Thumb [3d\]: or D3 at E4, there's another ladder around there
newtogo [2d?\]: i really prefer whites play
Eduardo [2k\]: r10 :p
KurataSan [3d\]: b is probably less calm
zettai [2k\]: white is doing well so far
kmlck [1k\]: if b sac, then o15 would be a waste
SlySheep [1d\]: roln is never calm
zettai [2k\]: as expected of fan
Rackam [2d\]: blac cannot give away r 14
zettai [2k\]: very orthodox player
manofearth [?\]:  b thinkijng  of  s13. goes ell with k15
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b basically has to prove that o15 and k15 has some meaning, meaning enough to compensate for r14 loss
zettai [2k\]: why can't he?
zettai [2k\]: r14 is light
Ootakamoku [2d\]: worst part seems there is no good sente fix for r13 cut
KurataSan [3d\]: rackam, he has to give it away
zettai [2k\]: black still has plays in the corner
Rackam [2d\]: r 13 very effective
zettai [2k\]: and white simply becomes thick
Wagaboo [2k\]: franchement fan hui et thomas debarre qui finissent 1er et 2eme ce serait génial !
JAFE [3k\]: non 
xueli [8k\]: tu m"'étonne
spargo [6k\]: pour Fan, j'ai pas trop de doute...
Fifouu [2d\]: chauvin :)
Thumb [3d\]: Attends je me lève pour la Marseillaise.... voilà
]
;B[qh]C[Eduardo [2k\]: yes waga, historic according to kgs comments
]
;W[rg]C[KurataSan [3d\]: told you, rackam
newtogo [2d?\]: is this the end of english as we know it?
Rackam [2d\]: déjà, deux français en haut du tableau, j'avais pas vu ça depuislongtemps
Thumb [3d\]: English is 2/3rd badly pronounced French
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b trying to hard
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b n14 has been played
xueli [8k\]: loll thumb
zettai [2k\]: french is 2/3rds badly pronounced Italian
grandaure [5k\]: lol Thumb
Eduardo [2k\]: xD
TurtleDove [4k?\]: all young players in the top 8 too
]
;B[mf]C[xueli [8k\]: na french is completly badly pronounced latin :):
chrayma [7k\]: le dernier champion d'Europe français date de 76 !
Blair [4k\]: Je crois que meme şi Ilya gagne, Thomas et Fan restent premiers (a condition que Thomas gagne bien sur)
Eduardo [2k\]: :O
xueli [8k\]: pourtant on a une bonne fédération
momiji [3d\]: worth it to learn French- it's a beautiful language!
Eduardo [2k\]: who was last champion?
zettai [2k\]: Italian is also a beautiful language
Blair [4k\]: Ilya
Ootakamoku [2d\]: surely this isnt multiple choice for w.. I mean, can he even contemplate anythign besides m14? doing l15 k16 m13 seems like it crashes
zettai [2k\]: as is japanese and mandarin
Ootakamoku [2d\]: and surely cant give up the m15 stones either
xueli [8k\]: I like japonase ^^
Backflash [6k?\]: really? maybe cos i learned english first i hate french sound
Weishenme [4d\]: hungarian is beautiful
EGC2013a [?\]: Please dont post next moves if youve got the faster internet connection, we are playing them as soon as they appear on stream on our side :)
SoftKitty [1d?\]: That's right Fan. You must be swift as a coursing river!
arczi87 [1k\]: what is the prize for the 1st place ?
zettai [2k\]: huh?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: 2500euro?
Backflash [6k?\]: zero
KurataSan [3d\]: 2500 Euro
zettai [2k\]: EGC, I don't understand
WiteDragon [4k\]: yep
arczi87 [1k\]: nice
xueli [8k\]: a month wage ..
grandaure [5k\]: egc, you're not located at the congress ?
donkisot [7d?\]: how about tenuki now? too soft? 
KurataSan [3d\]: he is
KurataSan [3d\]: but he's watching it too
zettai [2k\]: just s12 imo
KurataSan [3d\]: he's probably in another room
WiteDragon [4k\]: a months wage but a 2 week tournament so not THAT big a prize ;)
KurataSan [3d\]: or something
Ootakamoku [2d\]: donkisoft, b could capture m15 stones on a large scale?
TurtleDove [4k?\]: why didn't last year's champ defend his title ?
WiteDragon [4k\]: + costs of travel and residence...
SImikin [1k\]: I think Ilya +
EGC2013a [?\]: We are, but players are, for their own comfort, in locked room where we cant enter and we are transmitting through stream as well
xueli [8k\]: it would be nice if go was more known :o
KurataSan [3d\]: wasn't it Jan Simara or something?
TurtleDove [4k?\]: yes
Backflash [6k?\]: grand, he is sitting in next room and watching video stream of players in other room
SImikin [1k\]: last year sure!! Jan Simara :D
zettai [2k\]: go is very well known and documented
zettai [2k\]: s12 imo
newtogo [2d?\]: not globally zettai
xueli [8k\]: come on how many of people you meet know of it?
SImikin [1k\]: and he is watching now :)
Terranigma [2k\]: r10
Backflash [6k?\]: about egc? zerooo
xueli [8k\]: I meet one in 30 people that know the game or know who to play
zettai [2k\]: ahh, you mean in terms of popularity
xueli [8k\]: yes
Bolko [2d\]: everyone can do their part on spreading go ;)
xueli [8k\]: like chess for example
xueli [8k\]: I tought all my friens how to play ;)
zettai [2k\]: s12 imo
newtogo [2d?\]: nah spreading go is too much work
newtogo [2d?\]: i feel like a jehovah witness
Eduardo [2k\]: hahahaha
WiteDragon [4k\]: working hard on spreading go here, starting a club at my school next year :-)
Eduardo [2k\]: XD
xueli [8k\]: nice wite
Ootakamoku [2d\]: m14 m13 n13 o14 l13 m12 l14 l12 j14 q12 or something is what b wants?
KurataSan [3d\]: jehovah? why not God
manofearth [?\]: xuelti: how many r still intersted atall in go?
Backflash [6k?\]: its like spreading sience, much harder than religion - no promises of heaven(9d) in a week
xueli [8k\]: maybe 2 xD
Eduardo [2k\]: what is the go's bible? xd
xueli [8k\]: better than nothing
zettai [2k\]: not really worthwhile to play off of m15
newtogo [2d?\]: kgs kibitz
manofearth [?\]: pretty good
tneva82 [18k?\]: well better success rate than I have
grandaure [5k\]: Get strong at resigning
zettai [2k\]: since the only good way to make use of the aji right now also involves makingm15 heavy
Eduardo [2k\]: xD
Bolko [2d\]: just knowing the game is a good start, not everyone needs to be an active player, maybe they'll spread it on someday
xueli [8k\]: yup
Backflash [6k?\]: nope
xueli [8k\]: at least so they stop thinking it's othelo
xueli [8k\]: seriously -_-
zettai [2k\]: there's no way to profit from developing m15
zettai [2k\]: so there's no reason to play there
Ootakamoku [2d\]: m15 keeps l16 weak
erna [6k\]: Sorry, just arrived: who is b here on kgs?
zettai [2k\]: l16 isn't weak
Eduardo [2k\]: ilja
grandaure [5k\]: Ilja
JAFE [3k\]: roln
Eduardo [2k\]: a.k.a roln
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;W[fc]C[erna [6k\]: oh, thx!
JAFE [3k\]: rolnwith a number
xueli [8k\]: oh play for points?
zettai [2k\]: ooh
zettai [2k\]: that's conservative
Hobbes [2k\]: we.should.have.a.merged.go-othello.champ....just.to.confuse.more
newtogo [2d?\]: xliu101 strongest on kgs imo
xueli [8k\]: loll
zettai [2k\]: xliu is very strong
WiteDragon [4k\]: xueli: not just points, makes j17 unattackeable
WiteDragon [4k\]: w now only has solid strong groups
xueli [8k\]: :)
zettai [2k\]: j17 is already unattackable
Wagaboo [2k\]: blanc menace de sortir  en m14 
grandaure [5k\]: Fan plays solid
Terranigma [2k\]: yeah m15 is rock solid strong
zettai [2k\]: this removes aji from the corner
Blair [4k\]: M14 mauvais pour blanc
Eduardo [2k\]: is m14 small here?
WiteDragon [4k\]: m15 is aji stones, not a group terra
zettai [2k\]: and prepares for an extension along the left
xueli [8k\]: since it's strong he can lay elsewhere?
Wagaboo [2k\]: w threatening m14 
Terranigma [2k\]: ....it's not group?
WiteDragon [4k\]: not a group worth anything no
zettai [2k\]: it's not group
grandaure [5k\]: they are cutting stones
WiteDragon [4k\]: it's not soup
zettai [2k\]: imagine it doesnt exist
zettai [2k\]: they aren't cutting anything
WiteDragon [4k\]: way too heavy t use now
Terranigma [2k\]: damn, and here i though a collection of adjacent go stones is called a group
SImikin [1k\]: W M16 was not joseki
Terranigma [2k\]: (of the same color)
Weishenme [4d\]: if m14 then c18
SImikin [1k\]: maybe secret move :D
]
;B[rh]C[zettai [2k\]: this is good development for black
Blair [4k\]: M16 has become joseki today
Madzilla [3d\]: ... I don't think this corner sequence is going to enter the Joseki books any time soon
myrtle [4d\]: oo game of the tournament!
SImikin [1k\]: but i also like b
zettai [2k\]: m16 sequence has always been joseki
SImikin [1k\]: give me database
Rackam [2d\]: black has to be imaginative now
Eduardo [2k\]: ??
Eduardo [2k\]: o.o
SImikin [1k\]: in josekipedia not found
SImikin [1k\]: eidogo neither
grandaure [5k\]: p14 then s15 ?
zettai [2k\]: josekipedia barely gives 100 variations of taisha
Rackam [2d\]: p 13 or not ?
grandaure [5k\]: *p13
]
;W[ph]
;B[og]C[zettai [2k\]: white shouldnt
zettai [2k\]: p13
]
;W[rf]C[Blair [4k\]: not p13, if so w t13
]
;B[sg]
;W[re]
;B[pi]C[zettai [2k\]: this isn't ideal either
Madzilla [3d\]: eidogo is based on Kogo's joseki dictionary which contains so many errors it's not even funny
SImikin [1k\]: true 
SImikin [1k\]: i like http://ps.waltheri.net/
Madzilla [3d\]: lots of variations which have been 'worked out' by some amateur 1d
zettai [2k\]: now black becomes thick here no matter what white does
WiteDragon [4k\]: looking this up in 21st centuri dictionary of basic joseki
Rackam [2d\]: what does white want c 10 or f3 ?
zettai [2k\]: d10 is preferable
Wagaboo [2k\]: b is in trouble
zettai [2k\]: black's extension on the bottom is small gote
zettai [2k\]: relative to the current temperature
Wagaboo [2k\]: p12 o13 r11  is troublesome
zettai [2k\]: and white has e5
Bjondro [8k\]: is now w live in corner or must respond there?
Rackam [2d\]: h3 is a very good point for b
Madzilla [3d\]: maybe W should just extend on the left?
Rackam [2d\]: m 3 has some aji
weiqidevil [-\]: it is only troublesome if the ladder works for white. therefore f3 might be a good move for white
zettai [2k\]: m3 has some aji for a reduction
zettai [2k\]: but not connecting
yew [3k\]: If white tenuki, black S17 would kill the corner?
zettai [2k\]: since k3 is already relatively thick
kmlck [1k\]: nope
zettai [2k\]: no
Wagaboo [2k\]: oh !
myrtle [4d\]: any reason debarre tormanen is not broadcast?
kmlck [1k\]: w is alive
zettai [2k\]: s17 can't connect
grmaster [2k\]: well W has to play fast moves now
WiteDragon [4k\]: it's not in there
Gorim [1d\]: it is board 4
Wagaboo [2k\]: O14 !
Blair [4k\]: someone knows what happen for Debarre ?
Gorim [1d\]: and only boards 1-3 are broadcasted
Bjondro [8k\]: yeah i mean s17 too
kmlck [1k\]: s17-q18
Madzilla [3d\]: S17 R18, right?
Wagaboo [2k\]: it's good timing for o14 !
myrtle [4d\]: how can it be board 4, they have more mms than board 2-3
Bolko [2d\]: maybe anttis foot rubbing got him banned from live feeds
kmlck [1k\]: lol
Backflash [6k?\]: who cares as long as they stream it
Bolko [2d\]: another reason I can come up is that they wanted to show other players games also
Blair [4k\]:  they have.never shown debarre
EGC2013a [?\]: they consider sos, not mms, thats why 4th board is 4th and 3rd is 3rd
Wagaboo [2k\]: Bolko !
EGC2013a [?\]: at least thats what referee has said :)
Wagaboo [2k\]: what would you play ? i would 014
Bolko [2d\]: tenuki is always a good guess
Wagaboo [2k\]: :D
WiteDragon [4k\]: o14 just asks to kill all aji in m15 imo
isa [3k\]: o14 remove the possibilit of  p12
hhr: EGC2013a: Debarre has equal SOS and more MMS than either of the two that are broadcast
zettai [2k\]: tenuki here is almost the same as not tenuki'ing here
JonSnow [4d\]: no EGC they just changed the order of boards, opengotha sure made the game debarre-tormanen board 2
zettai [2k\]: the difference being how white chooses to use his sente -.-
hhr: so that explanation doesn't cut it.. Poland EGC has an odd referee..
Bjondro [8k\]: q10 looks interesting
zettai [2k\]: q10 looks like a light/weak stone touching the opponent's thickness
kamyszyn [3d\]: Debarre is not broadcasted because his game is less important than chosen ones
JonSnow [4d\]: yeah this reason is more credible
kamyszyn [3d\]: he is already in top 8
Bjondro [8k\]: its sente and maybe would black flatter
kamyszyn [3d\]: we shifted table numbers
zettai [2k\]: it's not sente
zettai [2k\]: because q13 is light
Bolko [2d\]: does anybody know how they will drop someone if there are 7 or something players with 39 mms and 2 with 40
TurtleDove [4k?\]: prob extend d10 region since c17 may not be playable
JEGO [7k\]: fan play O13 ?
JonSnow [4d\]: one game tomorrow between the two with lower sos
zettai [2k\]: and q12 is in atari
Thumb [3d\]: I'd be tempted to play L14
kamyszyn [3d\]: JonSnow, 1 or 2 games
Blair [4k\]: thx zettai
JonSnow [4d\]: yes in the case he described, only one game, but it can be 2
Blair [4k\]: k17 also
zettai [2k\]: except k17 is black, and q12 is white
isa [3k\]: L14 looks intersting
JEGO [7k\]: if K17 black shisho
fekand4 [1d\]: q8?
Bjondro [8k\]: what about q10, tenuki, p12, o13, p11 ?
zettai [2k\]: black won't o13
]
;W[pm]C[zettai [2k\]: q7 is interesting
groupoid [3k\]: n12 would act as a ladder breaker and help m15 presumably
Bolko [2d\]: variations that have tenuki as the number 2 move...
Bjondro [8k\]: noe q10 looks more powerful
Thumb [3d\]: If Q10, B plays P12 and what have you done?
zettai [2k\]: it looks like white feels this area is urgent
Thumb [3d\]: Troll
Bjondro [8k\]: so, its sente
zettai [2k\]: not sente
]
;B[on]C[zettai [2k\]: it's just that p12 is a good response locally
Bjondro [8k\]: if You respoond it is
zettai [2k\]: and white has no answer
zettai [2k\]: q9 or o8? ;o
Rackam [2d\]: strange shape
]
;W[pn]
;B[po]C[Bolko [2d\]: I've been told this is not a move :D p6 I mean
]
;W[qm]
;B[rn]C[zettai [2k\]: it's not a good move
fekand4 [1d\]: p5
Rackam [2d\]: with p 12 it s difficult fight to understand
JEGO [7k\]: if w s7 b p5
gruenwald [2d\]: who is better here?
Blair [4k\]: me
WiteDragon [4k\]: i'd just p7 now
Thumb [3d\]: they are. Tahn us
Thumb [3d\]: *than
WiteDragon [4k\]: ehm o7 i mean
zettai [2k\]: black is thicker overall, but p6 is light and cuttable
zettai [2k\]: I like black here
zettai [2k\]: I think q6 was early
JEGO [7k\]: so white p5 and then white s7
JEGO [7k\]: white p7 seems better?
Weishenme [4d\]: this complicated game favors b  : I think b's deep reading ability in fights is a little better than w's one
zettai [2k\]: white would like to o8 here
]
;W[oo]C[zettai [2k\]: but q7 is short of libs
JEGO [7k\]: so p5 s7 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: at very least in retrospect p5 looks obvious
Rackam [2d\]: yes fan is wellknown for being unable to read sequences
Hobbes [2k\]: maybe.ootakamuku.was.right.w.is.looking.for.a.place.where.outread.b.as.a.revance.for.sunday.loss
Badduck [5d\]: i like w so far
Weishenme [4d\]: black cannot allow O7 now 
WVoron [5d\]: 06
manofearth [?\]: not sure that w isn't a deeper reader. from other games I've cn
WVoron [5d\]: o6
Mokki [3d\]: I like N6 here
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ya, n6 looks good
Bolko [2d\]: I think that was sarcasm
zettai [2k\]: use m3 aji, huh? ;o
Weishenme [4d\]: O6 is natural , N6 is also possible
JEGO [7k\]: r2 to ensure life also
Blair [4k\]: no more paassive than r2
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I cant imagine r2 being played, p6 stone is way too important
donkisot [7d?\]: s4 worse than r2 
zettai [2k\]: ootaka, I tihnk they mean as a response to a white attack on the corner
JEGO [7k\]: s8 also a good move but fan will play s2
MooDoGo [3k\]: r2/s7 possibilities
]
;B[om]C[zettai [2k\]: ;o
zettai [2k\]: strange
FuzzFace [1k\]:  lol
MooDoGo [3k\]: black is in no danger
Bolko [2d\]: w has lib issues so might as well this way
zettai [2k\]: black isn't in danger, but that's still a strange direction
zettai [2k\]: worried about the q12 aji I guess
Lake [3k\]: dat influenz
MooDoGo [3k\]: i nplay neither of them
isa [3k\]: b p8 black something b o8 ?
Rackam [2d\]: i dont see anthing but p8
Ootakamoku [2d\]: p8 n6 is expected I guess
Ootakamoku [2d\]: p8 n6 q9 but meh..
MooDoGo [3k\]: only when i am forced
donkisot [7d?\]: p7 is a surprise move 
zettai [2k\]: yes it is
Vondel [1k\]: why?
donkisot [7d?\]: i would play o6 n6 or o7 but not p7 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: p7 leans on the weak side
yinon [8k\]: hi....does W have kgs nick?
Vondel [1k\]: pushing ot the otherside reduces the aji from m3 stone right?
zettai [2k\]: yes
zettai [2k\]: fanhui
donkisot [7d?\]: fanhui probably
yinon [8k\]: hahaha  thx
zettai [2k\]: pushing on this side seems to address the q12 aji
Thumb [3d\]: reduces or uses, Vondel
JEGO [7k\]: fan  p8 so
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;W[oh]C[MooDoGo [3k\]: fanhui it is!
Bolko [2d\]: yea this isnt the normal way but which b move has been normal
zettai [2k\]: lots of black moves were normal ;o
donkisot [7d?\]: sacrifice strategy? 
zettai [2k\]: in that case, it seems strnage to q6 so early
JEGO [7k\]: p12 is a preparation move for p8 after
manofearth [?\]: remember w has  p8
zettai [2k\]: p8 lets black develop using the m3 aji
isa [3k\]: can b q8 ?
zettai [2k\]: in either case, it's hard for q7
Rackam [2d\]: does w think black cannot afford to lose p 13 ?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: o13 q9?
Vondel [1k\]: I thougt reduces
MooDoGo [3k\]: p11; o13; p8?!
Bolko [2d\]: I dont think black can give those up
zettai [2k\]: black can give them up
Vondel [1k\]: when o6 instead of p7- the black stone on the bottem gets killed completely
MooDoGo [3k\]: r16 is alive
Vondel [1k\]: But I find these things dificult
JEGO [7k\]: so p8 black best move
globax [3d\]: L13
zettai [2k\]: it's probably not good to tenuki here
manofearth [?\]: after  w p13  w can  cut at  r12 or attack  k15
Weishenme [4d\]: p8 is possible 
daveminion [?\]: just run two stones and kill white
daveminion [?\]: i mean p12
zettai [2k\]: k15 can't be attacked
Ootakamoku [2d\]: q9 looks like vital point for both w shapes
daveminion [?\]: and q7,q6,r7
yinon [8k\]: never seen Ilya think so much before a move
AndEdhel [2d?\]: please, who plays? name and colors?
Weishenme [4d\]: p8 r11 r10 s11 s10 t12 q9 
JEGO [7k\]: yes
tadanobu [6k\]: White fan hui, black shishkin ilya
]
;B[ng]C[AndEdhel [2d?\]: thx!
grandaure [5k\]: w fan hui b ilja shikshin
JEGO [7k\]: p8 make cash
zettai [2k\]: aka roln
]
;W[oi]C[MooDoGo [3k\]: can b start with r10?
]
;B[pj]C[Terranigma [2k\]: the names are written up there above the time....
Weishenme [4d\]: p8 or p11 for w ?
Manslay [9k?\]: tadanobu, shikshin
ExplO [1d\]: not when you're on phone terranigma
grandaure [5k\]: @Terranigma not on cell phones
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I couldnt get this to work for w
spargo [6k\]: W can o14?
Weishenme [4d\]: p8 now
Shunsun [8k\]: really complicated :(
Reym [-\]: fan almost played then withdraw
JEGO [7k\]: q8 also
Ootakamoku [2d\]: p8 n6 doesnt seem to lead anywhere
Weishenme [4d\]: oh
TurtleDove [4k?\]: how about on Android tablets ?
Weishenme [4d\]: r11
Ootakamoku [2d\]: hmm, right, r11 nice
Weishenme [4d\]: r11 is a good question now
zettai [2k\]: hmm
zettai [2k\]: I dont like giving black r9
Weishenme [4d\]: white must s11 this allow P10 and p8 for w
zettai [2k\]: r11 seems hard
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w just wants something here, something preferably without giving b excuse to play n6
Blair [4k\]: shicho at R11 is good for black, no ?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: dont have to get everything :)
Terranigma [2k\]: q9?
zettai [2k\]: just 9
zettai [2k\]: q9*
]
;W[ol]C[zettai [2k\]: ehh
]
;B[mn]C[Terranigma [2k\]: not sure if responding with n6 is wise..
zettai [2k\]: r11 became interesting after q9 too
SlySheep [1d\]: which rules are they playing?i remember there was a hug commotion on last year's congress involving a korean kid and his father concerning european ruling
zettai [2k\]: then p12 becomes thick
Ootakamoku [2d\]: k15 breaks the ladder too, so cant even use that
Weishenme [4d\]: s 7 first ?
zettai [2k\]: and black can't use the thickness there well anymore
]
;W[mo]
;B[mm]C[zettai [2k\]: q7 becomes light
zettai [2k\]: ooh well :\\
Ootakamoku [2d\]: oh, n5 such a nice move, how could I miss that?
Bolko [2d\]: wut :D
TurtleDove [4k?\]: always read the rules before playing
Terranigma [2k\]: p10
MooDoGo [3k\]: wut?
zettai [2k\]: p10 is no bueno now
Terranigma [2k\]: looks like good miai to me
SlySheep [1d\]: reading rules is like reading a manual... i never do that
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w o8 or some such possible too
xong551: hi i am back, who is winning?
Lake [3k\]: i see a pack of white triangles and black net
AndEdhel [2d?\]: q9 or p10
redreoicy [2d\]: maybe r11 
Rackam [2d\]: r 11 ?
JEGO [7k\]: q8 cutting move for black now after
]
;W[oj]C[TurtleDove [4k?\]: haha sheep. these days lucky to get a manual
zettai [2k\]: sigh -.-
Terranigma [2k\]: there you go, zettai
zettai [2k\]: so what is white aiming at?
redreoicy [2d\]: to surround more area than black
Ootakamoku [2d\]: q9 q8 p9 o8 o10 n8 meh..
valzer [2d\]: very nice rhitm by white
Ootakamoku [2d\]: q9 r11 maybe.. but why not ask it earlier if thats the plan?
AndEdhel [2d?\]: l9 big
redreoicy [2d\]: asking early is aji keshi
zettai [2k\]: that's my point -.-
Rackam [2d\]: white is very lucky his stones are always well placed
fab [3d\]: lol
zettai [2k\]: technically every move that uses aji is aji keshi
redreoicy [2d\]: asking late is a lost game
AndEdhel [2d?\]: l14 (autocorrect, grr)
yew [3k\]: r9 ?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: q9 r11 s11 q8 p9 and b cannot cut
zettai [2k\]: because after it's used it's no longer there -.-
Ootakamoku [2d\]: or dies
rousseau [11k\]: i wish w could could play twice at once
AndEdhel [2d?\]: b can only q9 here
Terranigma [2k\]: q9 n8
manofearth [?\]: but y  isn't q9 good?
EGC2013a [?\]: Time left- B: 1h40min, W: 1h36min
hhr: s8?
JEGO [7k\]: q9-q8
Ootakamoku [2d\]: q9 r11 s11 q8 p9 o9 s9 n8 looks very good for w
redreoicy [2d\]: how about q9 s10
]
;B[pk]
;W[qi]C[Thumb [3d\]: It feels like W has various good results, how comes ? Is B behind in this game?
Wagaboo [2k\]: ilja likes fighting :)
JonSnow [4d\]: looks like
Terranigma [2k\]: r11 fits w's style i suppose
Ootakamoku [2d\]: thumb, yes for quite a while
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b lost the fight at the top mostly
Thumb [3d\]: I'd say so too, but it's still a bit surprising
Thumb [3d\]: However, far from over
Ootakamoku [2d\]: true dat
Kapma: s11
isa [3k\]: Ootakamoku you predicted pro r11
zettai [2k\]: he also questioned the timing
Blair [4k\]: I don't understand that move, shicho is good for black at s11... ?
MooDoGo [3k\]: does w built a heavy group?
zettai [2k\]: which puts him in the same boat as everyone =P
redreoicy [2d\]: the shicho is good but it restricts black liberties
Backflash [6k?\]: oh tell me please w will die a horrible horrible death?
Weishenme [4d\]: simply q8 for b seems solid
grandaure [5k\]: no
Terranigma [2k\]: no
oceans13 [1k\]: w looks a bit strugle isn't he?
Bolko [2d\]: if I could read I could tell the reason why this exactly now and how it works but oh well
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ya, q8 looks like only reasonable choice
JonSnow [4d\]: the result after s11 looks very good for white
Wagaboo [2k\]: all i see in my readings is b cutting at q8  !
Terranigma [2k\]: no, w isn't struggling at all here. b is.
valzer [2d\]: p9
JEGO [7k\]: s11 black R9 white
Blair [4k\]: JonShow explain why please
zettai [2k\]: neither player seems to be struggling here
Ootakamoku [2d\]: here b is trying to get everything, where as w is ok with getting something, which makes the fight very dificult for b
zettai [2k\]: because after w s11 p12 becomes thick
Terranigma [2k\]: Blair, w gets invincible run to center
oceans13 [1k\]: i don't see any tesuji from r11 yet
JonSnow [4d\]: s11 q8 p9 o9 s9 n8 l6 s7 r2 n11 r10 l8 something like that
zettai [2k\]: ahh
zettai [2k\]: black s11 is unreasonable
zettai [2k\]: because q10 only has 4 libs atm
JonSnow [4d\]: yes
AndEdhel [2d?\]: b can only q8?
zettai [2k\]: maybe b p9?
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: rematch after the weekend ;)
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: in the weekend ilja won
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: ;)
xueli [8k\]: but isn't giving s 11 to white making his life easier? :o
MooDoGo [3k\]: s11; r10; s10; r9; r8?!
zettai [2k\]: white's already alive
]
;B[ri]
;W[pl]
;B[rk]C[xueli [8k\]: p11 is?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ah right ofcourse, no reason to push at p9 before s9
JonSnow [4d\]: s7?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: no rush with s9 I think
Terranigma [2k\]: now the n7 groups looks quite bad
]
;W[ok]
;B[rm]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: err.. no rush with s7 I meant to say >.<
zettai [2k\]: the n7 group is in a good position actually
xueli [8k\]: what if black cuts white's escape route?
oceans13 [1k\]: hope w get the center
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w m9?
JEGO [7k\]: yes because large black pincer
Lesmian [2d\]: w starts a travel very soon
Ootakamoku [2d\]: hmm, maybe m10 better
valzer [2d\]: n9
Terranigma [2k\]: m9 i think
valzer [2d\]: l9*
Ootakamoku [2d\]: also w has aji at m12 at his disposal, making the p12 group alot stronger than it looks
oceans13 [1k\]: looks hard for w, without any help from left side
zettai [2k\]: l9 k6 
globax [3d\]: L10
Terranigma [2k\]: how does this look hard for w?
xueli [8k\]: is black m9 isn't it bad for white?
Spaze [-\]: m10
zettai [2k\]: m9 would like to be n9
SuvorovAl [2k?\]: looks equal
zettai [2k\]: and yes it is
SadPlayer [-\]: m14 ?
oceans13 [1k\]: w has to run or make group alive first
AndEdhel [2d?\]: m9, keep L14 available
oceans13 [1k\]: and good if he can catch the b n7 group
Thumb [3d\]: M_ looks possible too
Thumb [3d\]: M8
Ootakamoku [2d\]: this result looks good for w imo, b had already staked claim on the right side, now he has it low, and has a weak group to take care of
]
;W[lk]C[xueli [8k\]: ah :)
zettai [2k\]: m9 is nice
xueli [8k\]: now it starts
zettai [2k\]: now black can't develop n7 as quickly
AndEdhel [2d?\]: develop? needs to run with it
xueli [8k\]: and fast ..
MooDoGo [3k\]: n9?!
zettai [2k\]: sorry, I use those words interchangably -.-
Thumb [3d\]: This looks very tough on B
Ootakamoku [2d\]: andehdel, he is refering the kyu plan of making profit while running.
Thumb [3d\]: (the game as a whole)
zettai [2k\]: but I almost always mean what you're thinking
treza [1k\]: EGC do you see the time of each player?
Bolibompa [2d\]: Who will get C10?
zettai [2k\]: so it all works out
Ljys [2d\]: How's Juri's and Antti's games progressing? :)
]
;B[qb]
;W[rc]C[AndEdhel [2d?\]: ootamoku: ohhh, that plan! ;)
xueli [8k\]: k7 too far?
zettai [2k\]: k7 isn't in a good position
manofearth [?\]: b tosse a ko threat.  y?
Thumb [3d\]: R18 is weird. B's privilege for any foreseeable future
xong551: who is winning now?
Terranigma [2k\]: k7 might be just about right actually....
AndEdhel [2d?\]: l6 or l7?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: pain to pull out n7, but so sad to leave them there to rot
xong551: l7 of course
zettai [2k\]: they aren't exactly light right now
zettai [2k\]: but it's also gote to capture them
oceans13 [1k\]: to big to leave n7 group
xong551: the focus is on m9 why play so bellow?
quest [2k\]: l8?
zettai [2k\]: so I think black has a little time before he's forced to do something with them
Ootakamoku [2d\]: zettai, danger is what if w captures them on a large scale, with a move like h7?
]
;B[jm]C[TurtleDove [4k?\]: B cash reduced but W doesn't have much cash except top left
xong551: k7 very nice
zettai [2k\]: that's why I'm saying they aren't exactly light
zettai [2k\]: -.-
Terranigma [2k\]: haha 3 predictions in a roa
Terranigma [2k\]: *row
]
;W[jk]C[Terranigma [2k\]: against zettai
xong551: how to cure pain on back?
AndEdhel [2d?\]: W aiming for l14
manofearth [?\]: not light  but not useless either
goren2 [2k\]: lie down
]
;B[jo]C[xong551: )
tipunch [2k\]: o14
zettai [2k\]: ehh
xong551: zettai nu...
goren2 [2k\]: h3
xong551: hahh
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I cant see value in pulling out m15, even less now than before
Thumb [3d\]: Yes, obey at H3, why not?
AndEdhel [2d?\]: h3 seems possible, but dangerous
xong551: why not h6?
treza [1k\]: EGC : do you know the times
xong551: ops j6*
Ootakamoku [2d\]: j6
zettai [2k\]: because k5 isn't important
Blair [4k\]: is that elephant eye for black ?
xong551: yes balir
Blair [4k\]: I though it was a.bad shape...
zettai [2k\]: it's not
Thumb [3d\]: J6 J7 and you've played the wrong side, no?
oceans13 [1k\]: l5 l6 j6?
fab [3d\]: it often is
zettai [2k\]: it's situational
Ootakamoku [2d\]: thumg, w still has m12 so the group is actually ratehr strong
AndEdhel [2d?\]: i would m4 to ensure life there
grandaure [5k\]: it's a bad shape whan kyu plays it
zettai [2k\]: if either side is weak without being cfonnected
JEGO [7k\]: d10 global for white or around now
zettai [2k\]: but when one side is light
zettai [2k\]: or thick
zettai [2k\]: the it's a good tool to understand how to use
Thumb [3d\]: If it's rather strong, let's H3 and see how B fails at attacking^^
]
;W[hq]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: thumb, sure, just thought could ask j6 first
]
;B[ip]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: cause now its alot harder to ask
AndEdhel [2d?\]: m4
oceans13 [1k\]: w let b first to attack
]
;W[iq]
;B[hl]C[sagesse [-\]: m14 soon?
xueli [8k\]: black escapd ... whites turn?
GoIsBoring [2d\]: b will have worse yose
zettai [2k\]: black yose is nonexistent as it stands ;o
GoIsBoring [2d\]: it's not true
zettai [2k\]: aside from r2
tarantool [2k\]: now black looks good
Spaze [-\]: давай Илюха
zettai [2k\]: lean on black here?
JEGO [7k\]: black pressure on the side now
Rackam [2d\]: if w p 10 becomes secure, he will have m 14
zettai [2k\]: or maybe white's strong enough to cut
AndEdhel [2d?\]: id m14 now, as p10 only few points
]
;W[hj]
;B[fk]C[AndEdhel [2d?\]: now
oceans13 [1k\]: possible if cut at j7
oceans13 [1k\]: ?
zettai [2k\]: j7 isn't really working after f9
Backflash [6k?\]: keimas keimas in my eyes!
xong551: backflash keimas are nice
xong551: double sense
AndEdhel [2d?\]: backflash?
sagesse [-\]: now m14 ?
oceans13 [1k\]: h6
AndEdhel [2d?\]: m14 huge
MooDoGo [3k\]: ktching!
fekand4 [1d\]: f4
norsu [2d?\]: why m14 is so huge?
AndEdhel [2d?\]: makes points in top left, making p10 lighter
AndEdhel [2d?\]: maybe f11 first
Backflash [6k?\]: only iron ingots can make p10 lighter
zettai [2k\]: rofl
zettai [2k\]: I'm inclined to agree with backflash =P
]
;W[nf]
;B[lf]
;W[mg]C[Backflash [6k?\]: ops
Backflash [6k?\]: guess im wrong
AndEdhel [2d?\]: n7 alive so p10 usefulness is over
globax [3d\]: b16
zima [2k\]: b15
xueli [8k\]: looks good :o
norsu [2d?\]: is seems that p10 was not light
AndEdhel [2d?\]: hmmm ok, i was very wrong on fan's intent
zettai [2k\]: seems worthwhile to m13
xueli [8k\]: is it time to go for the left side?
AndEdhel [2d?\]: zettai: akijeshi, big ko threat
Backflash [6k?\]: daring f12
zettai [2k\]: squeeze the last little bit of aji out of o13
AndEdhel [2d?\]: ajikeshi
bert [4d?\]: c11 
AndEdhel [2d?\]: c14 seems huge
zettai [2k\]: how is black on threats here?
AndEdhel [2d?\]: or G4
zettai [2k\]: white is thick everywhere
TurtleDove [4k?\]: hmm, I thought B might m13 instead of m14
zettai [2k\]: except the topleft
Thumb [3d\]: M13 ? Seems obvious
zettai [2k\]: there's still ko in the corner
zettai [2k\]: m13 doesnt seem big enough to save as a threat
Backflash [6k?\]: m13 seems like it nullifyess something
zettai [2k\]: but after committing to capturing m15, taking away the white forcing move doesnt seem bad
AndEdhel [2d?\]: not big enough??
zettai [2k\]: not big enough
CBlue [?\]: maybe c16?
manofearth [?\]: is it sente or isit not sente. that  may be the question
norsu [2d?\]: isn't m13 double sente
Shunsun [8k\]: fan hui is careful against this big fighter
zettai [2k\]: it is
York [-\]: i don't think fan hui has to be afraid
manofearth [?\]: sente 4w. not clear 4b
Thumb [3d\]: come on, if B doesn't M13 W plays it then thinks, no? I'm prob wrong^^
manofearth [?\]: after b takes w gets  o12
MooDoGo [3k\]: l10; l9; m10 to save o13?!
zettai [2k\]: also the last chance to use the o13 aji
Blair [4k\]: what about time ?
e2e4 [4k\]: good question :D
Blair [4k\]: time to eat ?
JEGO [7k\]: sealed move?
zettai [2k\]: o12 can be tenuki'd
Backflash [6k?\]: its 4 oclock tea time soon
Reym [-\]: they are both here
Shunsun [8k\]: w is not bad in this game
stoup [-\]: bblanc gagne par abbondon ?
oceans13 [1k\]: b didn't realize o14 sequences before??
xueli [8k\]: un peu tot :o
norsu [2d?\]: if b m13 w can attack h8 first and just later take o13 
gruenwald [2d\]: can m13 as double sente be bad?
ThiGar [3k\]: Hi EGC2013a! How much time have both players used so far?
manofearth [?\]: tteatime in Poland?
Blair [4k\]: t'as deja vu Ilya abandonner ?
stoup [-\]: non mais je l'ai vu perdre contre Fan :)
Blair [4k\]: pas ce weekend en tout cas
stoup [-\]: si il vas perdre 
manofearth [?\]: maybe    w forgot 2punch his clock!
zettai [2k\]: white can't really attack h8
zettai [2k\]: or the surrounding stones
shanuk [8k\]: m13
ThiGar [3k\]: What are the clock times?
JEGO [7k\]: or a more global move such as B16
stoup [-\]: je fais confiance a Fan sensei
Thumb [3d\]: whatever, there's a pretty ood chance they'll play again before the week is past
Rackam [2d\]: il ne me semble pas qu'ils aient déjà joué ensemble avant ce we
Krokadel [1d\]: m13 d10
ThiGar [3k\]: They'll play in the play-offs
e2e4 [4k\]: C0
e2e4 [4k\]: C10
e2e4 [4k\]: :)
zettai [2k\]: I lost like 6 ounces of blood today
]
;B[cj]C[Backflash [6k?\]: how?!
zettai [2k\]: my gums just randomly started bleeding
oceans13 [1k\]: d6
Thumb [3d\]: m13 then?
xueli [8k\]: c12?
Shunsun [8k\]: roln obliged to build and not destroying :)
zettai [2k\]: I think I got some hard food stuck between my teeth or something at lunch
criatura [1d\]: c13
Backflash [6k?\]: it may mean many other things that are wrong with your body
ThiGar [3k\]: scurvy?
Reym [-\]: zettai do not eat the stones
manofearth [?\]: but that's notso much. how do u know the quantity lost?
zettai [2k\]: I estimated -.-
zettai [2k\]: I was bleeding for hours on end
zettai [2k\]: I might have an iron deficiency
xueli [8k\]: go will save you :p
manofearth [?\]: but u don't relly no at what rate
zettai [2k\]: I estimated the rate
Rackam [2d\]: bon, qu'on en finisse
]
;W[eq]C[ThiGar [3k\]: c10 looks hard to refute
Backflash [6k?\]: he just did
ThiGar [3k\]: :)
]
;B[ep]
;W[fp]C[Rackam [2d\]: là je pense que blanc va s'arranger pour finir sente
Rackam [2d\]: et noir pour l'etre
MooDoGo [3k\]: the game looks balanced
Odysseu9s [6k\]: Que je sache personne ne s'arrange pour finir gote :p
zettai [2k\]: white is ahead a bit
xueli [8k\]: lol
Rackam [2d\]: ben si, si c'est assez gros
Thumb [3d\]: Gote is good
zettai [2k\]: but the p10 group isn't doing much work
telchar [-\]: sente is like drug
zettai [2k\]: so I think black actually caught up from the center exchange
]
;B[fq]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: feels like b is slightly overplaying here
xueli [8k\]: e5 ?
zettai [2k\]: I dont see a good way to continue from f3
Rackam [2d\]: je verrais bien noir c 16
zettai [2k\]: why not just d2 directly?
zettai [2k\]: or double hane
Madzilla [3d\]: somehow it feels good for B that he got to extend on the left first...
FuzzFace [1k\]: ok
Rackam [2d\]: why doing simple when you can complicate ?
zettai [2k\]: why complicate when the one that suffers is you?
Thus [3d\]: e2 e5 ?
Madzilla [3d\]: M13 is kind of double sente, isn't it?
Talraii [2d?\]: e5 e2 g4 ?
zettai [2k\]: it is
Backflash [6k?\]: show us
MooDoGo [3k\]: when you are ahead, you simplyfy, when you are behind, you complicate
oceans13 [1k\]: so e3 means to soft?
norsu [2d?\]: w does not need to respond m13 before p9 can't live elsewhere
Backflash [6k?\]: e5 is dead ponnuki path
gererer: when u are Ilja you complicate anyway
grmaster [2k\]: interesting game
manofearth [?\]: it obviously isn't or it would have bn played already
grmaster [2k\]: very unusual play
Ljys [2d\]: If you like to fight, its complicated from start to the end. ;)
MooDoGo [3k\]: anyone is ilja
WiteDragon [4k\]: true gererer :)
Mate8p [2k\]: b16
ThiGar [3k\]: Ilja is short for Wladimir Illich?
Thus [3d\]: e2 d4 f2 f5 
zettai [2k\]: seems reasonable
Ootakamoku [2d\]: thus, is saving e3 bigger than getting w f5?
AndEdhel [2d?\]: e5 e2 G5?
ThiGar [3k\]: I'm a bit worried for Fan now
Thus [3d\]: how are you planing to get f5?
Backflash [6k?\]: e5g4
Ootakamoku [2d\]: e2 d4 f5 
JEGO [7k\]: c14 is the big move if black senté
zettai [2k\]: c14 seems awkward in many ways
Ootakamoku [2d\]: not sure c14 is right, might be c16
Biovizir [4k\]: Illja is Elijah
zettai [2k\]: c16 seems reasonable
jocelyn [3k\]: don't you think white plans to set up an attack against the k7 group ?
zettai [2k\]: no
ThiGar [3k\]: yes
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w has to try to take some advantage of the k7 weaknses imo
grandaure [5k\]: Shikshin is Wood, roln is Frodo Baggins
jocelyn [3k\]: if not, I can't see the purpose of e3
playful [?\]: wow! US and Euro go congresses are happening at the same time???
zettai [2k\]: not easy to use the aji there
Ootakamoku [2d\]: playful almost every year?
playful [?\]: didn't know...
MooDoGo [3k\]: can black exchange k7-group for the lower left corner?
zettai [2k\]: no
Backflash [6k?\]: playful  wow hooray!!...., what is US go congress?
profan [-\]: is shikshin a pro?
omggg [?\]: no
Ootakamoku [2d\]: backflash, its the small time event overshadowed by egc
WiteDragon [4k\]: no but strong as pro
]
;W[er]C[grandaure [5k\]: pro strength
Thumb [3d\]: I'd say W is (was ?) trying to win simply, on territory
]
;B[gp]C[Lesmian [2d\]: pro talk not allowed when there is no Dinerstein playing
omggg [?\]: he's stong at fighting
Ootakamoku [2d\]: g4 nasty
Thumb [3d\]: B wants to complicate but H3 is so solid :(
zettai [2k\]: black's fault
Backflash [6k?\]: hey me move!
zettai [2k\]: g4 seems almost tragic
Backflash [6k?\]: black is doomed once again!
goren2 [2k\]: d2?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: f5 d2 for magimum greediness
EGC2013a [?\]: Czy ktoś widział ostanią sekwencj ę bo laga miałem
grgrtgnm: fan hui sounds like an alias
Thumb [3d\]: W should get a good result in the corner ? F5 G3 D4 ?
grandaure [5k\]: lot of moves played - EGC is lagging !
ThiGar [3k\]: wow, w  did not expect g4, w feels better all of a sud
goren2 [2k\]: sorry, a nie
goren2 [2k\]: ja
EGC2013a [?\]: Does someone saw the last sequence
Ootakamoku [2d\]: thumb, dont think b will play g3
Backflash [6k?\]: EGC cool!
Thus [3d\]: f5 d2 good for black
omggg [?\]: lol opps
Thumb [3d\]: oh, right^^
Thus [3d\]: d4 f5 c3 
Krokadel [1d\]: b3 ange for k3 o3 side... no tx
goren2 [2k\]: egc needs help.  who can show him moves?
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: wszyscy mieli laga :P
EGC2013a [?\]: HELP
EGC2013a [?\]: :)
xueli [8k\]: ?
Wamba [1d\]: f5 g3
criatura [1d\]: c3 now 
oceans13 [1k\]: anybody?
grgrtgnm: how can we help you?
jakotaki [1d\]: c8 c7 d7 
jakotaki [1d\]: :D
Thumb [3d\]: Yes, seems F5 G3
Ootakamoku [2d\]: cmon, someone was watching the stream, right?
oceans13 [1k\]: where was 4d yesterday?
Yons [10k\]: f5 g3
omggg [?\]: people watching the video
spargo [6k\]: just take the same shape :)
EGC2013a [?\]: update me on the lase sequence of moves
EGC2013a [?\]: last*
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ya, you can do edit here, put board in sync, and fix it later?
manofearth [?\]: livig small in gote  cms 2small. 
treza [1k\]: F5 G4 D4 E5 D5
hhr: EGC2013a: don't worry about the order of moves, just put the stones that are on the board
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: yes do that
SImikin [1k\]: jjj
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: f5 was played
Alast [7k\]: thought so too, just get current status and move on :)
criatura [1d\]: f5 d2 
jakotaki [1d\]: lots of stones dont care about one
Alast [7k\]: #thats better than nothing
Backflash [6k?\]: just whos us what is happened!!! im dying here!
WVoron [5d\]: ?
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: i think
ThiGar [3k\]: what is the stream's url?
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: f5 g5
Backflash [6k?\]: show*
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: d4
TaoToKing [9k\]: ive link?
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: e5
TaoToKing [9k\]: live*
criatura [1d\]: lol?
WVoron [5d\]: give control
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: g3
Backflash [6k?\]: oh god so many thigns happened there!
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: c6
Ootakamoku [2d\]: give wvoron control
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: b6
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: c7
manofearth [?\]: enf!
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: b5
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: d7
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: e6
skyywalker [1d\]: f5 g3 h4 g5 d4 e5 d5 f6 c3 d6 c4 b5 c6 b6 c7 b7 d7 e6 
Alast [7k\]: EGC control to WVovron
skyywalker [1d\]: this is the game
valzer [2d\]: probably sequence:f5 g3 h4 g5 d4 e5 d5 f6 c3 d6 c4 
EGC2013a [?\]: done
gisel [3d\]: he has it
]
(;W[dp]C[Thus [3d\]: white lives
])
(;W[fo]C[ilonaellen [-\]: there is a stream?
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: d5
WVoron [5d\]: give me
grandaure [5k\]: http://egc2013.go.art.pl/page/live
spargo [6k\]: d4 e5 f5 g3 c3 e6 
treza [1k\]: G4
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: f6
TaoToKing [9k\]: thx
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: c3
TurtleDove [4k?\]: please guys, don't make it up unless you were watching the vid
Yons [10k\]: g3
IkkiRyu [8k\]: the trolls
criatura [1d\]: d2
WVoron [5d\]: egc
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: d6
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: c4
omggg [?\]: gooo
]
;B[gq]
;W[hp]
;B[go]
;W[dp]
;B[eo]C[Backflash [6k?\]: m3 played oooh
]
;W[do]
;B[fn]
;W[cq]C[Backflash [6k?\]: m4*
]
;B[dn]
;W[cp]C[ZyBeX86 [4k\]: aaaa forgot h4 :D
]
;B[bo]
;W[cn]
;B[bn]
;W[cm]
;B[bm]
;W[dm]
;B[en]C[ZyBeX86 [4k\]: didnt see too much light :D
]
;W[bp]C[oceans13 [1k\]: w take the corner
]
;B[fr]
;W[dr]C[jakotaki [1d\]: in some circumstances u can ask for reply game
WVoron [5d\]: ok
oceans13 [1k\]: thanks
valzer [2d\]: yeah
Yons [10k\]: yep
spargo [6k\]: m4 
ilonaellen [-\]: wow!
Reym [-\]: thanks Wvoron
Ootakamoku [2d\]: m4 m5?
EGC2013a [?\]: AWESOME :)
akairyuu [2d?\]: gj
bolbi [-\]: thank you WVoron
Alast [7k\]: sweet wvoron, thanks
omggg [?\]: thx WVoron
MooDoGo [3k\]: thanks Wvoron
Ootakamoku [2d\]: m4 m5 l5 from here
Ootakamoku [2d\]: has been played
]
;B[lp]
;W[lo]
;B[ko]C[spargo [6k\]: thanks all :)
criatura [1d\]: c14
criatura [1d\]: b
Zahlman [1k\]: hmm? I don't understand the discussion, did they play very quickly or something?
Backflash [6k?\]: or something
Alast [7k\]: something
kmr [1d\]: there was a problem with order of moves
Ootakamoku [2d\]: no, didnt play quickly, we just got left behind a bit
omggg [?\]: Zah, the scribe missed some moves
Backflash [6k?\]: but they did quiick true
EGC2013a [?\]: stream froze
grandaure [5k\]: EGC lagged
playful [?\]: live stream is great, but too bright, can't see the white stones clearly
Thumb [3d\]: L2 surely ? Then what?
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: hard to say who i'm rooting for :D
ThiGar [3k\]: EGC2013a, please what are the plyers' clock times?
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: fan hui defeated Mateusz
Ootakamoku [2d\]: he cant see
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: but i just don't like ilja :P
bolbi [-\]: …
MicMac [2d\]: m2 can work?
]
;W[kq]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: l3 is calm move
floating [2k\]: damn, I missed teh
oceans13 [1k\]: i saw from the stream ilja did the harlemsake, wkwkwk
Wang1 [1d\]: b
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: not that calm
Ootakamoku [2d\]: just fix the problem, yose be damned, since w already leading enough
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: it aims in o9o6j5
floating [2k\]: how many moves did wvoron play on the seq ?
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: o7o6j9
Blair [4k\]: bad shape, white should read "l'ame du go"
Ootakamoku [2d\]: floating, 10-15
julbla [4k\]: haha blair
Ootakamoku [2d\]: hmm, more.. 20-25
bolbi [-\]: guzumi is not a bad shape
floating [2k\]: ok thankss :)
Zahlman [1k\]: zybe, what is the point of exchanging o7/o6?
playful [?\]: inseong is not participating?
bolbi [-\]: no
grandaure [5k\]: what is the goal of B in this sequaece ?
grandaure [5k\]: *sequence
Ootakamoku [2d\]: this exchange should provide b with some yose
Thumb [3d\]: Still no M13 though. Booohooohoo
grandaure [5k\]: but w stole the corner
karabos [1d?\]: WHO are playin?pls
]
;B[kr]C[weiqidevil [-\]: usually to enlarge his liberties so that white has to spend much more moves to take them off
Thumb [3d\]: M2
zife [4d?\]: fan/shikshin
WiteDragon [4k\]: w fan hui, b ilja shikshin
EGC2013a [?\]: TIME : W - 1:00   B - 1:10 
karabos [1d?\]: ty
EGC2013a [?\]: hours of course :)
]
;W[jr]C[ThiGar [3k\]: ty
Thumb [3d\]: roh
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w m2 instead of k2 would be falling into a trap?
Thus [3d\]: no
Thumb [3d\]: Probably^^ which one?
Thus [3d\]: but probably worse endgame
grandaure [5k\]: maybe B wants a ko ?
manul [2d?\]: how can the time be minus something?
EGC2013a [?\]: its not minus ;p
akairyuu [2d?\]: it can't, it's not a minus, just a dash :P
]
;B[lr]C[oceans13 [1k\]: oh b really is troublemaker
Ootakamoku [2d\]: annoying, w has to keep adding moves, but if he does he loses the j6 aji
gisel [3d\]: that was just hyphen
Thumb [3d\]: the BigBang hasn't occurred yet (on this board)
]
;W[mr]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: w trivial win of semeai, but b gains both yose and free aji removal from this
manul [2d?\]: sory guys... too much math...
]
;B[hr]C[Badduck [5d\]: k1?
]
;W[js]C[wotan123 [1k\]: ;-)
icarealot [?\]: meth is bad
Ootakamoku [2d\]: zife, need u at the go club today, try to make time to come.
Thus [3d\]: well w just gained a 10 points corner where black's corner used to be
Thus [3d\]: so im pretty sure he's not complaning
manul [2d?\]: icarealot but math is great!
SimbaRules [1d\]: B got outside though
]
;B[cd]
;W[cc]
;B[ce]C[Thus [3d\]: outside not as worthy
kmr [1d\]: d7 group still have some aji
Ootakamoku [2d\]: thus, oh I still think w is leading by a good margin, b overplayed in bottom left, and w did a beutiful punishment for it. but regardless its always annoying when opponent gets something good which I think b gained with m4 etc
Thumb [3d\]: good yose aji at B8 too
]
;W[bc]C[Badduck [5d\]: maybe even wc9?
Thus [3d\]: why not d9?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: well, w b8 doesnt relaly work directly because c10 too well placed
Thus [3d\]: c10 is terribly placed
icarealot [?\]: it's a close game
treza [1k\]: what SE say?
oceans13 [1k\]: w lead
Ootakamoku [2d\]: thus, you would want it 1 closer I presume?
furyinthe [-\]: close game
WiteDragon [4k\]: b behind a tad i think, gonna have to make some magic moves
Thumb [3d\]: yes ? B8 C8 C9 D8 D9 is tough
]
;B[ed]C[manul [2d?\]: treza it says we're all gonna die!
Thumb [3d\]: D10 and W is happy
icarealot [?\]: m13 is big
Ootakamoku [2d\]: but c10 is the maximum distance, its very thin right now but it bearly holds it together, and consider b is behind on whole board I say thin and fast is what he needs, and then just pray the aji doesnt come to bite
playful [?\]: seems the score is quite even now
Thus [3d\]: c10 doesn't keep white in
Thus [3d\]: d9 works
Zahlman [1k\]: "b is behind on whole board", really?
ThiGar [3k\]: what SE say?
pacman3 [3k\]: w+0,5
Zahlman [1k\]: I'm not seeing all that much cash for w...
icarealot [?\]: b ahead on the board
WiteDragon [4k\]: b was behind before c16 for sure
icarealot [?\]: komi puts it neck and neck
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I trust me feeling over SE any day of the week, and my counting above my feeling even tho Im too lazy to do that often enough
xio [5k\]: what a game!
Badduck [5d\]: id play m13 fast as w+b :-)
Madzilla [3d\]: SE basically says that if W gets the entire left side as his territory he'll win by 0.5
Ootakamoku [2d\]: in any case, I dont think d9 actually works
Madzilla [3d\]: ... which isn't going to happen
Ootakamoku [2d\]: d9 c9 d10 e11 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: and then go do crazy stuff
oceans13 [1k\]: the center could possibly reduce by b
Zahlman [1k\]: is this clamp actually ok? w considering d15?
oceans13 [1k\]: noman lands for a while
agdzz34: Ganbare!
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ok, I took look at SE, and its massively overestimating b everywhere, and counting the bare minimum for w
Thumb [3d\]: W D15 would justify not playing M13 at least^^
zettai [2k\]: huh
TurtleDove [4k?\]: maybe SE is russioan
]
;W[de]C[Beef [3d\]: I think d15 might work
Beef [3d\]: ha
akairyuu [2d?\]: I demand that SE should be renamed as SR
oceans13 [1k\]: wow
icarealot [?\]: i didn't use se
ThiGar [3k\]: d7 still has a litle aji
]
;B[ec]C[xio [5k\]: w chose complexity
Beef [3d\]: c14 now
oceans13 [1k\]: that was brave from both
Thus [3d\]: not that complex
Goreon [3d\]: i thought w had to d17 
CoffeeTime [3k?\]: choose the way for win
Thumb [3d\]: F18
]
;W[cf]C[FuzzFace [1k\]: coupé keima + oeil delephant, wesh fan
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b still overplaying so much all the time, its funny how this game the roles are so reversed between fan hui and shikshin
playful [?\]: seems like this is much better for w
CoffeeTime [3k?\]: yes
Ootakamoku [2d\]: also, now that w gains c14 strenth, moves like d9 do start looking super scary
oceans13 [1k\]: e17 overplayed
oceans13 [1k\]: ?
Beef [3d\]: now it's good w didn't play m13 yet, bevcause now k16 is sente
Ootakamoku [2d\]: oceans13, not e17 but e16 was
Thumb [3d\]: E17 forced
]
;B[gc]C[valzer [2d\]: lol 
akairyuu [2d?\]: that's what at least fan hui seems to think.. roln might not agree however
valzer [2d\]: totally forced
playful [?\]: certainly b thought of this before playing e16
Zahlman [1k\]: wowww
Canon [1k?\]: :)
oceans13 [1k\]: lets see how he develops i
Ljys [2d\]: Hah :D
oceans13 [1k\]: it*
Beef [3d\]: h17?
ThiGar [3k\]: Fan Hui is a great overplay punisher
icarealot [?\]: no overplay here
Ootakamoku [2d\]: playful, this is a messy variation, he was probably hoping w would submit and just play d17 instead of d15, but had some complciated plan incase w did play d15 as it happened in the game, and now b just hopes he wins a fight he probably should not win :)
Beef [3d\]: h17 g16 k16 l15 j15 looks great for w
gererer: Overplay, where ???
ThiGar [3k\]: e17?
]
;W[fb]C[icarealot [?\]: e17 not overplay
gererer: let's see
Ootakamoku [2d\]: almost always, whoever is behind is doing overplays, they are very slight and subtle most of the time, playing just a bit faster, leaving everything just a bit thinner, etc, its hard to spot overplay based on reading, but just looking at how much someone is asking based on what you thought would be reasonable usually gives a clue.
playful [?\]: w gained territory and and is fully settled in two moves, b still has a lot to worry about with the followup
playful [?\]: I just can't imaging what ilya was thinking
Thumb [3d\]: If K16 B won't answer L15 I guess
WiteDragon [4k\]: i'l help:
FoH [2d\]: ого, 500+ обсервов)
TurtleDove [4k?\]: few can
WiteDragon [4k\]: must kill kill kill!
xio [5k\]: he expected standard anwswer\\?
maltian [5k\]: ilya dont think hi just read))
Ootakamoku [2d\]: thumb, ya cant see any reason to
icarealot [?\]: f16 seems obvious
floating [2k\]: g18
xio [5k\]: good one maltian!
Zahlman [1k\]: reading is not a kind of thinking?
Rackam [2d\]: white d9 maybe huge later
icarealot [?\]: it's a kind of magic
kmr [1d\]: black is trying to cut at all costs
CoffeeTime [3k?\]: h17?
floating [2k\]: f16 would end the attack on K18 so he play g18 ?
xio [5k\]: reading is kind of knowing
Thumb [3d\]: F16 G18 and B's the only one with problems no?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: wouldnt be suprised if b played the ottaly silly g18
Thumb [3d\]: It's not that silly^^
FuzzFace [1k\]: c9 work ? 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: how about ugly?
CoffeeTime [3k?\]: looks "all in" move g18
Thumb [3d\]: B has to have his earthquake, G18
Beef [3d\]: what's 'ottaly'?
playful [?\]: g18 for what?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: totally :)
playful [?\]: can't kill k18
Beef [3d\]: clear :)
playful [?\]: would just lose e17
Thumb [3d\]: Maybe but what else? B's loss is clear no?
Thumb [3d\]: (in this corner)
Ootakamoku [2d\]: well, its not like there is anyplace elsewhere to catch up
Kanin [-\]: e16 looks like a mistake in this configuration
ThiGar [3k\]: Is the stream's "bird's view" a first for big tounaments?
TurtleDove [4k?\]: dunno, this area was W area before he started
Ootakamoku [2d\]: kanin, you think b could win with standard d15?
Thumb [3d\]: It's a new bird
playful [?\]: seems e18 or f16 are only moves locally
GoKlaus [1d?\]: no ThiGar, they used it in Leksand during the congress too
ThiGar [3k\]: ok, interesting, ty
Thumb [3d\]: E18 or F16, BG18 and what does B do?
Thumb [3d\]: *WG18
TurtleDove [4k?\]: I prefer video which shows the players body language myself. adds more atmosphere to the event
Neferpitou [1d\]: i think g18 is good
]
;B[gb]C[icarealot [?\]: same, turtle
Ootakamoku [2d\]: if b does g18, w can just back out with the f18 stones, get sente etc
Ljys [2d\]: !!
]
;W[fd]
;B[gd]C[Thumb [3d\]: "Natch"^^
playful [?\]: he is all in
Ootakamoku [2d\]: and b has to add move to kill k18, where as w takes sente to play d9
Rukis [1k\]: what am i seeing O.o
daveminion [?\]: o.O
Rukis [1k\]: Fan looks like he is winning by a huge margin
fekand4 [1d\]: k16?
Beef [3d\]: j15
gurubaduk [7d?\]: j15
spargo [6k\]: k16 l14 ?
Beef [3d\]: first!
Rackam [2d\]: k 18 almost dead
Neferpitou [1d\]: looks difficult for black though
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w could tenuki now, but painfull to give b reverse sente e18 or f15
Ootakamoku [2d\]: so probably add 1 more move, then d9
Thumb [3d\]: so G15
Beef [3d\]: why would w tenuki?
Beef [3d\]: where to play?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: bbeef, d9
Neferpitou [1d\]: k16
criatura [1d\]: cant tenuki 
]
;W[jd]C[Beef [3d\]: I wouldn't dare at this stage
Neferpitou [1d\]: l15,j15
Ootakamoku [2d\]: j15...
Rackam [2d\]: l 14
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I dont understand w k16..
Neferpitou [1d\]: oh yeah
Beef [3d\]: this seems like a mistake to me though
Ootakamoku [2d\]: oh, I see
Ootakamoku [2d\]: local life
icarealot [?\]: this is sente
Ootakamoku [2d\]: j15 h18 g19 j16 
ThiGar [3k\]: life at h18
Neferpitou [1d\]: many b cutting points
copyright [3d\]: j15 
floating [2k\]: b make nice shape with h18
criatura [1d\]: f15
poirette [2d?\]: l14?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: have to play some crazy j16 here to keep dream of kill alive
FoH [2d\]: hmm what about j15 ?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: err.. b h18, lol
Rackam [2d\]: h 15 ?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: j15 h18 and it lives
Hobbes [2k\]: i.like.j16
Neferpitou [1d\]: i think j16 would create even more cutting points, he'll propably play it just because i think so though
Ootakamoku [2d\]: j16 should crash down faster than you can read
Ljys [2d\]: but, there is still a problem: j16 l15 l14 h18 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: so maybe just play the trololo h18 move
ThiGar [3k\]: Ootakamoku, your idea is interesting: d9 grabs b7 or gets out
Thumb [3d\]: BJ16 L15 L14 L16 and it's alive?
Rukis [1k\]: oh
Rukis [1k\]: g15 j15 l15 h14 ?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: thigar, cant take credit for it, since I claimed it couldnt work, using the reason that b had strength in c15 area, but now that b has lost it I think d9 will work
playful [?\]: yes thumb
Rukis [1k\]: xD
Ootakamoku [2d\]: anyone care to provide an unconditional life sequence for w if b plays h18?
Thumb [3d\]: Pity there's no way to threaten P10 again
Neferpitou [1d\]: w would j16
JonSnow [4d\]: d9 c9 and?
Neferpitou [1d\]: b should crash then
playful [?\]: w would j15
Rukis [1k\]: im betting on g15
Neferpitou [1d\]: yeah
Neferpitou [1d\]: that was what i meant
Neferpitou [1d\]: obviously not j16
TurtleDove [4k?\]: j15
Thumb [3d\]: H18 J15 and B seems hard put to fight
fadjal [4k\]: who is playing ? cant see with my phone ...
Kapma: l14
Ootakamoku [2d\]: d9 c9 d10 d8 c11 jonsnow
icarealot [?\]: w is fanhui, ilya shikshin
CoffeeTime [3k?\]: fan hui and ilia shikshin
julbla [4k\]: fan hui vs ilya shikshin
grandaure [5k\]: w fan hui 
fadjal [4k\]: thx
julbla [4k\]: ilya shikshin is roln1111 ^^
vrnBugatti [7k\]: вентелятор хуи против Ильи
Krokadel [1d\]: w ha 
Kapma: k15
Thumb [3d\]: It's terrible this bug hasn't been fixed (by any of KGS or the apps developers)
JonSnow [4d\]: d10 d11 Ootakamoku
xueli [8k\]: l14?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: jonsnow, u sure it holds together?
bert [4d?\]: venterljator?
F525 [1k\]: Time update?
vrnBugatti [7k\]: Вентелятор Хуи по Русски
playful [?\]: I still don't get how be could have let all this happen, just doesn't seem quite right
playful [?\]: B*
JonSnow [4d\]: well yeah
bert [4d?\]: ah, a fan
JonSnow [4d\]: w can escape but nost sure it's good for him
Neferpitou [1d\]: there is some trouble for w here
]
;B[kf]C[xueli [8k\]: *-*
Thumb [3d\]: J15 anyway
Neferpitou [1d\]: i think j15 was better than this, w would have to give up the 3 stones or after forcing sequence b f15
Neferpitou [1d\]: could "propably" either kill f18 or k18
Beef [3d\]: so e16 ended up terribly 
]
;W[ie]C[First [2d?\]: hi bert'
Neferpitou [1d\]: no b would have to protect cutting point
Neferpitou [1d\]: but w would have to live in gote
bert [4d?\]: hi 1st
]
;B[if]C[Goreon [3d\]: Beef, imho e16 did not yet finally end up.
xueli [8k\]: g15?
Neferpitou [1d\]: black could then secure his outside a bit 
icarealot [?\]: b already reduced w's top and center
ThiGar [3k\]: EGC2013a, what's the temperature at the congress?
]
;W[hb]C[fekand4 [1d\]: w +
First [2d?\]: he is not weatherman surely
TurtleDove [4k?\]: pollen count ?
icarealot [?\]: you need to be a weatherman to know the temperature
ThiGar [3k\]: those tidbits of info are important
FoH [2d\]: the score is pretty even btw
]
;B[he]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: jonsnow, not saying d9 has to pull out the group, but the aji is so huge there that w should get a very good result in local area.
Blair [4k\]: time remaining ?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: g19 not j16
JonSnow [4d\]: yes there is probably something to do
spargo [6k\]: h16?
fekand4 [1d\]: g19
xong551: hi i am back
xong551: who is winning?
spargo [6k\]: g19 seems so easy...
Reym [-\]: i have the feelign guojuan is giving a live commentary of this game in some egc amphitheatre
Neferpitou [1d\]: i would just j16
FoH [2d\]: they both has 60+ points so this foghting will decide
playful [?\]: f15
Thumb [3d\]: I'd J16 for the sake of it
Neferpitou [1d\]: i don't see why not to j16
FoH [2d\]: fighting*
poirette [2d?\]: j16 gives a ko
poirette [2d?\]: j16 h19 j19 f19 
]
;W[fe]C[support [3d\]: w
Ootakamoku [2d\]: lol, nice one
playful [?\]: :)
Ootakamoku [2d\]: this move is so beutiful
Thumb [3d\]: this is cruelish
Krapsman [2k\]: so beautiful that I don't really get it
Krapsman [2k\]: :)
Ootakamoku [2d\]: this is brilliant, because now w j16 gives the cut at h14
playful [?\]: seems b can get a ko now by playing h19...
Krapsman [2k\]: can explain someone?
daveminion [?\]: i think this move is not as good as e18
Krapsman [2k\]: I see but what if b j16 now?
Krapsman [2k\]: just g19?
xong551: omg
Ootakamoku [2d\]: krpasman, yes
xong551: nice move
xong551: now i see
Ootakamoku [2d\]: and this way w avoided giving b the free sente at f15
valzer [2d\]: waiting for l10.
xong551: omg this is really nice
slowy [2k\]: go w
kmr [1d\]: if white can play g19 balck gets almost nothing from his attack
daveminion [?\]: i think f19 
Neferpitou [1d\]: it would have been a fake ko
Krapsman [2k\]: oh I see
Krapsman [2k\]: indeed nice move
Neferpitou [1d\]: w could j18 after
First [2d?\]: is w professional strength?
Krapsman [2k\]: nice "multi functions" move
Neferpitou [1d\]: threathening eye with l19
slowy [2k\]: he is professional
Ootakamoku [2d\]: he is professional
grandaure [5k\]: he isa pro
slowy [2k\]: first x)
Ootakamoku [2d\]: not so slow after all, huh?
slowy [2k\]: <3
support [3d\]: is dinerstein still playing?
daveminion [?\]: OH NO.... just g19 .... lol mt counting
Sheriffi [-\]: yes
First [2d?\]: I assumed that because of his professional style
slowy [2k\]: dinerstein played against miao, didnt he?
Thumb [3d\]: ko then, no choice?
Neferpitou [1d\]: if black would take that away then e19 would would put 2 stones in atari and with shortage of liberties for b to connect
FoH [2d\]: what pro dan is Fan Hui ?
slowy [2k\]: 2
JonSnow [4d\]: 2
playful [?\]: b must h19 for the ko!
slowy [2k\]: first x)
grandaure [5k\]: chinese 2p
Ootakamoku [2d\]: u sure there is still a ko
Krapsman [2k\]: 2p
JonSnow [4d\]: but you're supposed to be slow!
Ootakamoku [2d\]: the j16 and cut looks like a mess
moi [1k\]: he left china too long ago for it to be really significant though
robs [1k\]: 2
]
;B[fa]C[Backflash [6k?\]: this looks okay for b right?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: j16 now
furyinthe [-\]: h19
xio [5k\]: b reading skills are simply amazing
]
;W[ha]
;B[ga]C[FoH [2d\]: looks ko
JEGO [7k\]: wow
]
;W[id]C[FoH [2d\]: no ko
Ootakamoku [2d\]: oh, right, this order obv, my bad
Neferpitou [1d\]: i think just j16 first was better than f15
]
;B[eb]C[Ljys [2d\]: Oota, i was first thinkin: g19 f15 e18 d17, shouldnt it have been a fine wayfor w too? (instead of f15)
]
;W[ee]C[rousseau [11k\]: who is ahead?
Krapsman [2k\]: protect cut now?
Thumb [3d\]: W has enough
slowy [2k\]: egc, do you know how cornel did?
FuzzFace [1k\]: c9 no
FuzzFace [1k\]: now*
Terranigma [2k\]: which is why w played this safe i guess
copyright [3d\]: w b8 
]
;B[hf]C[Krapsman [2k\]: c9??
donkisot [7d?\]: white has sente 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ljys, maybe, but I feel f15 stone has alot of value
Backflash [6k?\]: slowy check on egc site
Krapsman [2k\]: see
Ootakamoku [2d\]: which was just proven by b having to take gote
playful [?\]: B is amazing
JEGO [7k\]: white in advance now
FuzzFace [1k\]: c9 
Krapsman [2k\]: need to protect this cut in gote
Thumb [3d\]: I'd B8 too - 
Lunestres [5k\]: sure w ahead
Ootakamoku [2d\]: so about time to d9
jo123654: Глоры тупые, все бы вам за белых болеть, лишь бы не Илья выиграл)))
xong551: w is just a master!
daveminion [?\]: b12 biggest
AmagamiSS [2k\]: C12 ?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: daveminim, and waste d7 aji?
daveminion [?\]: i mean c12
Blair [4k\]: w clearly ahead
Neferpitou [1d\]: peep
furyinthe [-\]: k13
Neferpitou [1d\]: first
Backflash [6k?\]: просто илья выигрывает каждый год все уже привыкли
Nilatarion [3d\]: c11
Neferpitou [1d\]: k13
daveminion [?\]: oota yes :D
Ljys [2d\]: Oota, f15 does have it but where could've he used it for... Hmm
Ootakamoku [2d\]: c9 would be nice if it worked, but I cant quite see how it would
Wagaboo [2k\]: Oo
Terranigma [2k\]: i'd go with c11 
ThiGar [3k\]: @jo123654: Ilja is short for Illitch?
blueshoe [2k\]: d10!
rekin2 [5k?\]: who wins?
Ljys [2d\]: Thi seems way better result for b than the one i had in mind
FuzzFace [1k\]: komi is big in this game
grandaure [5k\]: Elijah
kutyro: b10
Wagaboo [2k\]: it's time for k13 
furyinthe [-\]: d10 looks also interesting
rekin2 [5k?\]: ???
FoH [2d\]: w is 5 points ahead
Ootakamoku [2d\]: Im not sure k13 will get straight forward answer
Ootakamoku [2d\]: almost certain it will not
]
;W[ho]C[JEGO [7k\]: bravo Fan , blanc gagne maintenant
Ootakamoku [2d\]: h5 nice, its 1 point double sente >.<
Artemy [5k?\]: ThiGar: Ilitch = sun of Iliya.
gererer: T'excites pas y'a loin de la coupe aux levres
JEGO [7k\]: non c'est plié ^^
Artemy [5k?\]: ThiGar: son*
Thumb [3d\]: mais pas du mont Palatin à la roch Tarpéienne
Thumb [3d\]: *e
Neferpitou [1d\]: i take back what i said about simply j16 before, b would start with f15
ThiGar [3k\]: ok, thx
Wagaboo [2k\]: ptet que fan a une sequence de derriere les fagot qui va tout peter !
Thumb [3d\]: ou c'est du Capitole?
grandaure [5k\]: w threatening to cut around j7 ?
zudko [9k\]: ou cest celui la qui conquit la toison
playful [?\]: seems w just a little ahead
Thumb [3d\]: c'estui-là^^
nanotech [2k\]: w wants n6
moi [1k\]: et puis est retourné plein d'usages et raison
zudko [9k\]: a oui c'est vrai, j'ai jamais compris cet orthographe :(
Skadi [1k?\]: if he wanted that he could have played L7
kutyro: w want fun now
JEGO [7k\]: les oies du capitole ^^
Skadi [1k?\]: or not
JEGO [7k\]: black center not enough points now
ThiGar [3k\]: w wants a break, he's suffered under pressure
]
;B[hn]C[Lunestres [5k\]: il va vouloir utiliser C7 je pense
Krapsman [2k\]: where do you see a black center?
Krapsman [2k\]: lol
JEGO [7k\]: no black center for sure
rousseau [11k\]: ilja looks like a very stressed go player
hikarutoya [7k\]: j6
Lunestres [5k\]: center is for white..
playful [?\]: with komi I think w about 10 points ahead
JEGO [7k\]: is ther a video tv on this game?
AmagamiSS [2k\]: C7 isn't working ?
spargo [6k\]: http://egc2013.go.art.pl/page/live
grandaure [5k\]: http://egc2013.go.art.pl/page/live
spargo [6k\]: Table1
Thumb [3d\]: E10 and not use the aji to, put the gane to rest?
copyright [3d\]: m6 
Thumb [3d\]: *game
JonSnow [4d\]: what about b10?
robs [1k\]: b can R2 at any time and win the game
rousseau [11k\]: and fan has google glass, connected to guli's
JEGO [7k\]: lol
KongZi [-\]: =) 
blueshoe [2k\]: r2?
JEGO [7k\]: Go Google glasses
Lunestres [5k\]: tB10
KongZi [-\]: The Great GGG
Lunestres [5k\]: this guy like fight....
playful [?\]: r2 big, but c12 area bigger now
Thumb [3d\]: D10, not E10 in this idea
Lunestres [5k\]: he did B10.....
EGC2013a [?\]: TIMES: W = 41''  B = 39''
Blair [4k\]: what about remaining time ?
JEGO [7k\]: do they eat both?
]
;W[bj]
;B[bk]C[spargo [6k\]: stones
JonSnow [4d\]: wow happy i found this one
kutyro: i found first;)
Lunestres [5k\]: they talk about the  game here?
Colambus [12k\]: you know nothing JonSnow^^
]
;W[bi]C[xio [5k\]: b was quick
]
;B[cg]C[embe [7k?\]: Blair: this is the remaining time
Lunestres [5k\]: black play so fast...
samowar [1d\]: they have just 41 and 39 sec?
grandaure [5k\]: minutes...
playful [?\]: how many people are attending egc this year?
robs [1k\]: w got tricked?
grgrtgnm: are any of them famous?
grgrtgnm: 520 specs are a lot
FuzzFace [1k\]: 520 viewers
]
;W[ci]C[ilonaellen [-\]: look resultlists
kyzma84 [1d\]: w +5-7
FuzzFace [1k\]: fan still win 
samowar [1d\]: minutes are written with single '
playful [?\]: poor B
grgrtgnm: any of them got an acc here?
blueshoe [2k\]: c13 odd
Harbinger [4k\]: whose playing in this game?
FuzzFace [1k\]: French timesuji coming soon
FuzzFace [1k\]: !!!
Lunestres [5k\]: lol
Levvo [-\]: W: Fan Hui vs B Shikshin Ilja
grgrtgnm: are they also kgs players?
grandaure [5k\]: w fan hui b ilja shijshin aka roln
ouioui: c le championnat d'europe ?
FuzzFace [1k\]: nonon
Lunestres [5k\]: congres européen de go
robs [1k\]: Fan Hui and Shikshin Ilja
pivoglotov [5k?\]: yes
ThiGar [3k\]: no sleep till 
JEGO [7k\]: quelle nationalité ilja ?
Namaskar [1k\]: ouioiu
grgrtgnm: oh, roln, the always almost 9d dude
KongZi [-\]: ilja i think is the title holder no ?
grandaure [5k\]: fan hui --> fanhui ilja --> roln
]
;B[bf]
;W[df]C[ilonaellen [-\]: no
hikarutoya [7k\]: Jego: russe
KongZi [-\]: who ? 
playful [?\]: what is ilya thinking???
FuzzFace [1k\]: Fan > Ilja > Debarre > Dinercthein
FuzzFace [1k\]: that all
JEGO [7k\]: ok c'est pour ça que j'ai vu des discusions en russe
Lunestres [5k\]: ^^
]
(;B[be])
(;B[dg]
;W[be]C[FuzzFace [1k\]: about depardieu ? ^^
grgrtgnm: and me>everybody, ofc
Beef [3d\]: Goreon, sorry I was away for a minute. But the rsult from e16 is still bad dont you think?
Jhyn [2k\]: Debarre- Tormanen is not broadcast
Jhyn [2k\]: ?*
Lunestres [5k\]: kill will come soon...
JEGO [7k\]: is there a broadcasting ?
timelord [1d\]: jan simara won last year
grandaure [5k\]: http://egc2013.go.art.pl/page/live
JEGO [7k\]: thanks
KongZi [-\]: ok thx timelord 
Weishenme [4d\]: w
]
;B[dj]C[Weishenme [4d\]: w+
robs [1k\]: if close, w corner only gets one eye
Thumb [3d\]: I'd be desperate
JEGO [7k\]: but there nos tv broadcast ?
Thumb [3d\]: as B
JEGO [7k\]: russia must broadcast this match,
Reym [-\]: it's not the final
grandaure [5k\]: b13 ?
Inushogun [-\]: in russia go plays you, so no tv broadcast
ouioui: ça se passe où svp ?
xio [5k\]: tv broadcasts go games in Russia?
sylvain [2d?\]: Pologne
grandaure [5k\]: pologne
FuzzFace [1k\]: ...
FuzzFace [1k\]: jallais dire autre chose
ouioui: tx
Thumb [3d\]: Ca se passe sur Google ouioui^^
FuzzFace [1k\]: mais je vasi rester poli =)
xio [5k\]: Olsztyn precisely
Thumb [3d\]: (moi pas)
maltian [5k\]: in russia gobans  broadcast tv
Blair [4k\]: dtc Fuzz ?
FuzzFace [1k\]: maybe
FuzzFace [1k\]: maybe not
kyzma84 [1d\]: no way to win for b
]
;W[ck]
;B[dk]C[goren2 [2k\]: go is banned in russia.
timelord [1d\]: only gay go
Neferpitou [1d\]: i think w should have played k13 peep earlier
jakotaki [1d\]: Pologne ala Russie occidentale
grandaure [5k\]: in russia Putin is 11 p
Neferpitou [1d\]: not sure he gets the chance now
icarealot [?\]: try not to say stupid things
Neferpitou [1d\]: and uhm
FuzzFace [1k\]: Vu que les admins sont assez succeptible ici, jevite de mancer
Skadi [1k?\]: still works
FuzzFace [1k\]: and depardieu ? 
Neferpitou [1d\]: b may get l10 peep instead or something
FuzzFace [1k\]: mavancer*
pacman3 [3k\]: beware this comments are traced back by nsa 
chrayma [7k\]: lol
KongZi [-\]: =)
goren2 [2k\]: it's ok, snowden will reveal them to the public
maltian [5k\]: ))
xio [5k\]: jakotaki, what is 'ala' in your sentence?
pacman3 [3k\]: hope so
]
;W[bg]
;B[bh]
;W[af]C[Neferpitou [1d\]: everything we do is tracked by nsa
FuzzFace [1k\]: you maybe think alah ?
goren2 [2k\]: a la - po francusku
Icare [1k\]: what was c9 aim ?
grandaure [5k\]: got it :-)
pacman3 [3k\]: my external hard drive crashed perhaps i can get them back from them 
pacman3 [3k\]: my photos and mp3
Backflash [6k?\]: where is that yose magic voodoo magic i heard about? 
ouioui: c sûr c pas le championnat d'europe svp ?
Herod [-\]: Over 500 spectators trying to follow the game.  Please take non-game chatter elsewhere
]
;B[br]C[pacman3 [3k\]: ok
Neferpitou [1d\]: i don't get why snowden is such a bad guy, he says that we are being watched, as if that were news?
]
;W[cr]C[grandaure [5k\]: oh
Blair [4k\]: W+10
barrskog [1d\]: @pacman3 only if u are Obama
FuzzFace [1k\]: Ouioui, google est ton ami, shinskin erst russe
pacman3 [3k\]: snowden is the best he fights for human rights 
pacman3 [3k\]: ok i be silent 
ouioui: et alors il est 3 fois champion non ?
grandaure [5k\]: b looking for a ko ?? possible ?
xong551: who wins?
samowar [1d\]: nope
FuzzFace [1k\]: somebody
FuzzFace [1k\]: Non ...
FuzzFace [1k\]: C'est debarre
Inushogun [-\]: w wins
FuzzFace [1k\]: cherche sur google
jakotaki [1d\]: Pologne est Russie occidentale.....
FuzzFace [1k\]: cest quand meme pas compliqué
kutyro: what can make b now?
ouioui: et google n'est pas mon ami ...
Blair [4k\]: debarre ca donne quoi ?
maltian [5k\]: p3 ?
]
;B[mi]C[Krokadel [1d\]: if b wants to win must not lose!
Reym [-\]: n10?
kyzma84 [1d\]: w + 10 -13 
Thumb [3d\]: N10?
Neferpitou [1d\]: i think b will manage to pull this one home 
]
;W[mh]
;B[li]C[xueli [8k\]: isn't black winning now?
Inushogun [-\]: xueli, nope
ss29 [3d\]: I think w is leading
jocelyn [3k\]: L7?
Reym [-\]: does w m6 cut?
Thumb [3d\]: N8
Neferpitou [1d\]: i think w has a board lead atm but i think b wins
WVoron [5d\]: close
Blair [4k\]: last chance for b to come back in that game
gererer: Yes
jole [2k\]: d11big
gererer: very close
copyright [3d\]: k13 
kutyro: around j9
samowar [1d\]: b has some good yose moves
kyzma84 [1d\]: w have e12
xueli [8k\]: l13?
Mukti [4d\]: The game looks close on the board, I favour white. B is thick but he will need to mkae substantial profit from that...
copyright [3d\]: n8 
samowar [1d\]: hm, right, e12 might be important for both
ThiGar [3k\]: L7
Neferpitou [1d\]: e13
]
;W[ml]
;B[ji]C[playful [?\]: I count that w is leading just by komi
SimbaRules [1d\]: Lol ilja blitzshin :) .
szelma: B is ahead now
grandaure [5k\]: k13 ?
Mukti [4d\]: Leading by komi is quite a big margin at this level.
]
;W[ak]
;B[cl]C[Levvo [-\]: Its a close game still
Mukti [4d\]: E13?
codelyoko [5d\]: r2 
]
;W[eh]C[goren2 [2k\]: k10 or h9?
codelyoko [5d\]: who gets r2 wins the game 
SimbaRules [1d\]: Yeah E12 freaking huge.
kyzma84 [1d\]: ok now w +15 
samowar [1d\]: k13 h12, grandaure
Mukti [4d\]: I don't feel it's close anymore. Not at this level.
samowar [1d\]: ouch
Blair [4k\]: w+r
Tristero [2d\]: w wins for sure
codelyoko [5d\]: fan wins imo 
maltian [5k\]: r2 ? why not  p3 ?
sagesse [-\]: does white have l6 ?
playful [?\]: b would have to play a genious endgame to win by 0.5
]
;B[eg]C[jole [2k\]: a9 beautiful for e12
zaboomafoo [3k\]: ya fan wins with e11
codelyoko [5d\]: can't beat fan at yose 
zaboomafoo [3k\]: e12*
codelyoko [5d\]: he is a monster in yose 
chrayma [7k\]: F13 ?
ThiGar [3k\]: g13
Thumb [3d\]: F13 works fine
WVoron [5d\]: roln more monster
AndEdhel [2d?\]: f13
grandaure [5k\]: he says himself that he is bad in yose
]
;W[fg]
;B[fh]C[codelyoko [5d\]: for a pro 
WVoron [5d\]: yes
kyzma84 [1d\]: d12
Neferpitou [1d\]: b sacrifice plan
gluiwiya [4k\]: g15
codelyoko [5d\]: roln is a monster in chuban 
codelyoko [5d\]: but i don't think he is better than fan hui in yose 
samowar [1d\]: we'll see
xio [5k\]: what is chuban?
maltian [5k\]: game without furikawari isnt a game for ilya
codelyoko [5d\]: chuban is the middle game 
Backflash [6k?\]: he meant tuban my guess
xio [5k\]: thx
]
;W[di]
;B[ff]C[Backflash [6k?\]: oh right, transcription diferences
maltian [5k\]: tuban is write chuban in romanji
davy014 [-\]: ?
AndEdhel [2d?\]: G5
AndEdhel [2d?\]: 15
ss29 [3d\]: roln will start playing chuban in yose and win
codelyoko [5d\]: nice for b 
samowar [1d\]: what does g15 do?
]
;W[gg]C[AndEdhel [2d?\]: r2 soon
]
;B[gf]
;W[gh]
(;B[fi])
(;B[ef]C[Backflash [6k?\]: makes b play h16
]
;W[fi]C[Thumb [3d\]: I don't really get why W didn't play D12
]
;B[ch]C[Thumb [3d\]: instead of D11
disturbing [1d\]: it can be chuban or tyuban; no idea how you would get "tuban"
kyzma84 [1d\]: conect to h10
maltian [5k\]: j10 ?
samowar [1d\]: Backflash [6k?\]: makes b play h16 - wow, expected nothing less:-)
codelyoko [5d\]: r2 
jole [2k\]: R2
slowy [2k\]: who is ahead?
codelyoko [5d\]: r2 is way bigger than a12 
FuzzFace [1k\]: D2
FuzzFace [1k\]: ahahaha
Backflash [6k?\]: disturbing russian thingy with jpn trnscripts, mess it up all the time when write english
Backflash [6k?\]: samowar  yup thats me kyu obvious impersonate
chrayma [7k\]: K13 works again
mike25 [3k\]: m6 ?
ThiGar [3k\]: w+10
]
;W[ih]C[samowar [1d\]: just thought that i might be missing sth
WVoron [5d\]: lol
AndEdhel [2d?\]: r2?...
kevinsan [4k\]: L7 is possible for kill N7 stone?
jole [2k\]: le k13 ?
gruik [1d\]: no, J12 is sente
]
;B[ik]C[playful [?\]: w will up by komi +1 or 2
vaansama [2d?\]: ' gemme back my dead stone last game'?
playful [?\]: still*
AndEdhel [2d?\]: G9
Thumb [3d\]: D12 would have captured D13 in exchange for less points in the centre I'd have thouht
Thumb [3d\]: *g
]
;W[jg]
;B[jf]C[samowar [1d\]: ouch ouch
]
;W[ij]C[AndEdhel [2d?\]: ow
]
;B[jj]C[jole [2k\]: K8
maltian [5k\]: is p9  live only in gote?
FuzzFace [1k\]: w do big yosé
samowar [1d\]: i don't understand b's moves here
kutyro: hot
Backflash [6k?\]: a12 is shadowing there
samowar [1d\]: maltian, p13 is dead
Bjondro [8k\]: center back to white?
AndEdhel [2d?\]: l8
ouioui: l10 ?
samowar [1d\]: nah, k10 is safe
Lunestres [5k\]: center is alive..
Backflash [6k?\]: m13
Lunestres [5k\]: so..
Lunestres [5k\]: as12 no prob
FuzzFace [1k\]: l10 
Thumb [3d\]: L9
MicMac [2d\]: l9
]
;W[kl]C[Thumb [3d\]: roh
FuzzFace [1k\]: good
Reym [-\]: my thougth exactly, roh!
playful [?\]: that's it
Lunestres [5k\]: some stone may die..:(
fab [3d\]: game over
AndEdhel [2d?\]: ^^
playful [?\]: yes
WVoron [5d\]: lol
playful [?\]: game over
icarealot [?\]: no stones were harmed in the making of this game
jole [2k\]: ENORME
FuzzFace [1k\]: ca c du tesuji francais
maltian [5k\]: m12 l7 miai?
FuzzFace [1k\]: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FuzzFace [1k\]: jlavais dit
FuzzFace [1k\]: wallah
kyzma84 [1d\]: if b l7 w l13
]
;B[gj]C[ThiGar [3k\]: if b a12, j11 lives
Bashania [2d\]: why game over?
samowar [1d\]: :D
AndEdhel [2d?\]: à12
jocelyn [3k\]: je vois pas le rapport entre les tesujis de fan hui et la france...
samowar [1d\]: this one looks like tenuki:-)
jocelyn [3k\]: il a été formé en france ?
jole [2k\]: c normal
Lunestres [5k\]: non
copyright [3d\]: a12 
Lunestres [5k\]: en chine
xueli [8k\]: il est français ... et il y vis depuis un moment :o
AndEdhel [2d?\]: l13
hikarutoya [7k\]: il a été déformé en france
grandaure [5k\]: lol
bolbi [-\]: jocelyn, s'il te plaît, on va éviter ce troll, merci
Neferpitou [1d\]: b miss?
copyright [3d\]: l13 
ThiGar [3k\]: L13
vaansama [2d?\]: le troll sur la france c'est pas le moment, 
Lunestres [5k\]: il étais pro aavant d'arriver heureusement^^
vaansama [2d?\]: merci
Jhyn [2k\]: c'est la zone de production principale meme si l'usine initiale est chinoise
jocelyn [3k\]: oui d'accord mais ca me soule ce nationalisme bidon
Herod [-\]: Over 500 spectators trying to follow the game.  Please take non-game chatter elsewhere
Ljys [2d\]: Pitäskös puhua englantia niin jengi vois ymmärtää. :)
]
;W[hk]
;B[il]C[Backflash [6k?\]: and only 10 of them talking
skyywalker [1d\]: g10 aim at shicho if white l13
]
;W[gk]C[xueli [8k\]: les pays aiment s'approprier la réussite de leur joueur :p
Backflash [6k?\]: so my bet only 15 reading 
First [2d?\]: gobandroid
]
;B[gl]C[xueli [8k\]: mais cela n'appartient qu'au joueur lui même
AndEdhel [2d?\]: W will j11
zudko [9k\]: vous le prenez a l'envers les gens
ThiGar [3k\]: j11, sure
zudko [9k\]: le formateur Français c'est Fan, c'est lui qui nous donne énormément de tesujis
resusou: time left?
AndEdhel [2d?\]: l13 works now
xueli [8k\]: j'allais le dire juste après xD
zudko [9k\]: c'est pourquoi on parle de Tesujis Français 
WVoron [5d\]: l13 dont work
Thumb [3d\]: The semeai after L13 seems ok for W
playful [?\]: b loses by a lot
xueli [8k\]: n'empeche que ce sont les siens quand même
]
;W[fj]C[AndEdhel [2d?\]: W careful
xueli [8k\]: même si c'est un don à la france
zudko [9k\]: oui on devrait dire Tesujis de Fan si tu veux^^
Lunestres [5k\]: ouais bon si il avait pas été formé la bas... il en serai pas la c certain... bref
xueli [8k\]: oui :)
FuzzFace [1k\]: Vive Fan Hui, Vive la République, et Vive la France !!!
Lunestres [5k\]: reston sur le jeux
]
;B[ej]C[AndEdhel [2d?\]: chut.
Lunestres [5k\]: ya pas que des fr ici
]
;W[ah]
;B[qr]C[samowar [1d\]: m6?
Blair [4k\]: w+r
grandaure [5k\]: p2
Bashania [2d\]: Vive le English Language...
Reym [-\]: fan lalmost played m6 then retracted his hand
Thumb [3d\]: L13 still
FuzzFace [1k\]: Vive le Ribery languag
copyright [3d\]: l7 
Neferpitou [1d\]: m6 still doesn't help p7 stones, l16 better locally
zudko [9k\]: god save the Fan!
vaansama [2d?\]: fuzz, tais toi merci
Jhyn [2k\]: yes i like very much le english speaking myself
AndEdhel [2d?\]: p2
]
;W[km]C[zima [2k\]: l7 
Backflash [6k?\]: Cheburashka is with us comrades!
ThiGar [3k\]: l13 or l7?
samowar [1d\]: even better than m6:/
copyright [3d\]: W +
FuzzFace [1k\]: n11 dead ?
samowar [1d\]: yup
kutyro: +++
MicMac [2d\]: l13 don't work
Thus [3d\]: why not?
jo123654: Mais ce que les francais, quand les chinois)))) Vous foire, gars))
stj1997 [2d\]: l13 m13
Thus [3d\]: ah i see
MicMac [2d\]: because of j11
Lunestres [5k\]: time to surend..
kyzma84 [1d\]:  now l13 not work
chrayma [7k\]: game over
Ljys [2d\]: n11 still connectable
playful [?\]: b can save n11, but still lose
xueli [8k\]: black played to shape a cat on the board ...
Thumb [3d\]: oh oops, no L13
xueli [8k\]: 2 ears on the top, legs on the botom
xueli [8k\]: and a big nose
Jhyn [2k\]: l13 m13 m12 l12 o12 j13 k12 h12 l11 j11 
WinPoohM [3k\]: does m12 work?
]
;B[kn]
;W[ln]C[Jhyn [2k\]: m12 same thing
MicMac [2d\]: no
]
;B[io]C[Thumb [3d\]: M1
AndEdhel [2d?\]: n3
gruik [1d\]: why no l13 ?
chrayma [7k\]: S18 ?
FuzzFace [1k\]: j1 m1 l1 
FuzzFace [1k\]: w can tenuki
Levvo [-\]: l13 doesnt cut
MicMac [2d\]: l13 don't work because of j11
]
;W[oq]C[Jhyn [2k\]: after l13 just atari all the way
Levvo [-\]: black gets dubble atari cause of g10
AndEdhel [2d?\]: ??
playful [?\]: what???
SImikin [1k\]: lol
]
;B[ba]C[McCallaway [2d\]: no pb
Jhyn [2k\]: wow,it works
copyright [3d\]: m1 work
AndEdhel [2d?\]: oh... W can connect
Lunestres [5k\]: l12 connect for black
]
;W[qs]C[playful [?\]: ah yes
]
;B[rs]C[jole [2k\]: joli p3
]
;W[ps]C[sdfsdddf: ??
]
(;B[rr]C[goren2 [2k\]: i dont understand.  be can connect the stones back to m13, can he not?
])
(;B[pq]
;W[or]C[Ljys [2d\]: ...
sdfsdddf: uh
Jhyn [2k\]: goren, yes he can
mike25 [3k\]: s18
SImikin [1k\]: undo
goren2 [2k\]: ok thanks.  what is everyone talking about that l13 doesnt work?
martin3141 [5d?\]: isn't l13 bigger than this?
MicMac [2d\]: l13 don't work
jole [2k\]: s18
webcat [5d\]: no, white cant cut there
WVoron [5d\]: l13 not work
Jhyn [2k\]: l13 doesn't work for white
WVoron [5d\]: lol
Backflash [6k?\]: read l13 already
zaboomafoo [3k\]: what about k5?
Jhyn [2k\]: b is already connected
Backflash [6k?\]: l13 is bad for w
Levvo [-\]: l13 m13 m12 l12 o12 j13 
bert [4d?\]: k5 alive
goren2 [2k\]: ok.  seems you are taling about w, and I about b
zaboomafoo [3k\]: k5 seems only choice
ThiGar [3k\]: is Fan Hui very well known throughout Europe?
Ljys [2d\]: :DD
Backflash [6k?\]: yes
xueli [8k\]:  sure is 
Lann [3d\]: because it does'nt
Blair [4k\]: j1?
ouioui: j2 ?
zaboomafoo [3k\]: k4
martin3141 [5d?\]: I see, thanks >.<
Jhyn [2k\]: goren, the point is l13 is unnecessary for black
niark [3d\]: s18 
MicMac [2d\]: l13 j11 is right
Weishenme [4d\]: b will resign now I think
SImikin [1k\]: me too
]
;B[rr]
;W[al]C[kyzma84 [1d\]: w +10
vrnBugatti [7k\]: k2 alive??
xueli [8k\]: he stood up :o
kutyro: difficult to ilya to let down his last hopes
vrnBugatti [7k\]: bj1 
nuBO [1k\]: в россии его вспоминают 5 раз за секунду
zaboomafoo [3k\]: oh m1 is cruel
Bjondro [8k\]: w + 40
HelloWeen [2d?\]: кого
Ljys [2d\]: SE we trust in
Icare [1k\]: my count W 53 B 59 on the board
sdfsdddf: lol
vrnBugatti [7k\]: a7 
FuzzFace [1k\]: k12 
Icare [1k\]: sorry B 53 W 59
nuBO [1k\]: фана
HelloWeen [2d?\]: эт да
xueli [8k\]: it's the end
TitusPullo [2k\]: w+ r
Jhyn [2k\]: how can SE be so wrong even when it gets the dead stones correctly never fails to amaze me
xueli [8k\]: games finished :o
jo123654: что за фання происходит))
PRosen [2d\]: Fan <3
vrnBugatti [7k\]: j1 ?
AndEdhel [2d?\]: komi 7.5?
HelloWeen [2d?\]: где фигня?
jo123654: нна доске) И не фигня, а фання)
KongZi [-\]: 6,5
McCallaway [2d\]: komi 6.5
HelloWeen [2d?\]: не важно, вроде ничего необычного
AndEdhel [2d?\]: thx
chrayma [7k\]: nouvelle victoire de Fan
FoH [2d\]: se count is suxx
samowar [1d\]: Jhyn, write a better one
Icare [1k\]: qu'est ce que ça donne la partie de Debarre ?
AndEdhel [2d?\]: next fr revue will be an interresting read
jo123654: nouvelle chinois victoire por france
vrnBugatti [7k\]: есть тут даны русские?
tumbao [1k\]: sure
AndEdhel [2d?\]: egc, is it over?
xio [5k\]: 6th variation already
vaansama [2d?\]: elle aussi n'a pas ete retransmise? celle de debarre?
grandaure [5k\]: board is empty
bobstep [2d?\]: if b plays first doesn't k1 die? what am I missing
vrnBugatti [7k\]: вопрос один ход и живали группа? j1 
Icare [1k\]: non
EGC2013a [?\]:  w+ R
grandaure [5k\]: so i think w+r
floating [2k\]: any word on results from other boards, e.g. board 4(?) törmänen vs debarre ?
AndEdhel [2d?\]: ok. thx egc for relaying the gamr
sdfsdddf: connect under
zaboomafoo [3k\]: bobstem
sdfsdddf: for w
vaansama [2d?\]: GG fan!
zaboomafoo [3k\]: step*
zaboomafoo [3k\]: m1
grandaure [5k\]: Thanks EGC for relaying
FoH [2d\]: 4 черных камня мертвы
eureka [5k\]: Thanks EGC
Biovizir [4k\]: m1 
Ljys [2d\]: e16...
jo123654: b7 b6 b5 c5 
eureka [5k\]: has Antti-Thomas game finished yet?
HelloWeen [2d?\]: не люблю когда всю игру орут что кто-то  проиграл
Thumb [3d\]: Thanks scribe!  Was fun
HelloWeen [2d?\]: можно сказать что бесит даже
zaboomafoo [3k\]: k4 m1
FoH [2d\]: можно
gotoin [7k\]: why a8 ?
HelloWeen [2d?\]: )
grandaure [5k\]: tomorrow play-off and then 3 rounds to know who will be eurochamp !
JEGO [7k\]: yes 
zaboomafoo [3k\]: fan will be
chagi [2k\]: thanks EGC
grandaure [5k\]: we will see
JEGO [7k\]: huge score for Fan here :)
grandaure [5k\]: ilja is a very strong player
KongZi [-\]: yep, he beats Fan last Weekend ^^ 
JEGO [7k\]: yes
GoKlaus [1d?\]: by nearly the same score, maybe more :)
grandaure [5k\]: much more...
JEGO [7k\]: thanks EGC, i hope you will invite all kgs players next years :)
grandaure [5k\]: ilja has killed a dragon 
blurb1: on sunday ilia win by 137
JEGO [7k\]: hey a Chineese Dragon :)
JEGO [7k\]: or a French one :)
vaansama [2d?\]: please.
KongZi [-\]: nop, ilja win by resignation 
JEGO [7k\]: yes
JEGO [7k\]: today is the dragon revenge
robs [1k\]: w+12.5 p my count
blurb1: well we might see them play a 3. time
grandaure [5k\]: yes
Krokadel [1d\]: w+4,5
grandaure [5k\]: ilja is very good in fast games
JEGO [7k\]: yes W +5 around
JEGO [7k\]: so if ilja make a good endgame possible challenge
FaDiezMajr [6k\]: трясти надо...
kmr [1d\]: W+5?how?
Krokadel [1d\]: simle, ilja can't take more then 10p during endgame
pacman3 [3k\]: se w+45
FaDiezMajr [6k\]: 4 камня в центре не режутся
kolayn112 [3k\]: a4
pacman3 [3k\]: white wins right ?
klausP [7d?\]: do we have anny other results in the top group?
klausP [7d?\]: we are all dying to know more
klausP [7d?\]: :)
kolayn112 [3k\]: почему черный не ходит j1?
kolayn112 [3k\]: dct gjyzk
kolayn112 [3k\]: все понял)
Goreon [3d\]: Is dinerstein-kraemer result known?
kolayn112 [3k\]: игра закончена или нет?
andy1975 [1d\]: Lukas lost the game
]))))))
