(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[3x60 byo-yomi]
GN[57th European Go Congress, round 7]PW[Campagnie Remi ]PB[Kravets Andrii]WR[5d]BR[6d]DT[2013-08-06]EV[57th European Go Congress]RO[7]PC[Olsztyn, Poland]C[JonSnow [4d\]: where is the game Debarre-Tormanen?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ya, isnt table 2 supposed to be Debarre-Tormanen?
JonSnow [4d\]: yes they are 2nd and 3rd
Ootakamoku [2d\]: the gameI really really really would want to see is artem vs juri
Gorim [1d\]: I wonder if Juri is felling better now
Gorim [1d\]: he was sick for few days
Ootakamoku [2d\]: oh :(
hhr: huh, why is Törmänen vs Debarre not on KGS?
JonSnow [4d\]: unbelievable
Ootakamoku [2d\]: the live stream from table2 is showing a random blitz between remi and andrii?
JonSnow [4d\]: maybe they thought the game Debarre-Tormanen was no interest since they are both probably qualified
JonSnow [4d\]: but same for game fan-Ilya
Ootakamoku [2d\]: and obviously in those not already qualified artem vs juri is by far the most interesting
Ootakamoku [2d\]: so if any game out or order should be shown its that one :)
Xebo [4d\]: I'd vote for Lukas vs Dinerstein
Gorim [1d\]: I assume they don't care about that and the computer pairing program does all the job
Ootakamoku [2d\]: gorim, its not about the pairing, its already been done, its about which table to show on kgs
JonSnow [4d\]: no the broadcasted games are decided by the organizers
deripty: they decided wrong :P
JonSnow [4d\]: sure
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ya, there are only two right answers here, either show the game that is actually table2, or show artem vs juri. I will protest against any other decision, go on hunger strike if I have to.
JonSnow [4d\]: why artem vs juro more than another?
JonSnow [4d\]: juri *
oceans13 [1k\]: young guns match probably
deripty: someone there should just volunteer and do the streaming from table 2
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;B[qi]C[donkisot [7d?\]: why not thomas antti game? 
JonSnow [4d\]: we wonder...
EGC2013b [?\]: ?
EGC2013b [?\]: it is 4. board
EGC2013b [?\]: we only show first 3.
EGC2013b [?\]: mine is 2.
JonSnow [4d\]: it should be board 2 since they have 39 mms and those two have only 38
donkisot [7d?\]: who cares board number, we wanna see kids game :) 
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;W[fq]C[EGC2013b [?\]: nothing can be done.
EGC2013b [?\]: i am sorry
donkisot [7d?\]: ok :) 
Nyanjilla [-\]: respect the organizers's decisions to show the top boards....
EGC2013b [?\]: thank you, Nyanji:)
EGC2013b [?\]: actually, if it was up to me, I would also watch the Thomas game
Nyanjilla [-\]: hehehe
EGC2013b [?\]: but well, is not:)
deripty: makes no sense this is table 2 if you look at the rankings, but at least you're consistent.
EGC2013b [?\]: You mean not me
EGC2013b [?\]: I am just a guy:P
EGC2013b [?\]: referees do all
deripty: you as in the organization running the show
deripty: ie. showing the first three tables and not suddenly pick & choosing.
Nyanjilla [-\]: deripty---that's enough
EGC2013b [?\]: no, is ok, possible he is right
EGC2013b [?\]: i have no clue
EGC2013b [?\]: I am to busy in the office to even know the results
Hobbes [2k\]: anyway....f3.is.asking.quite.something.to.b....how.should.he.develop?
Blair [4k\]: who's who here ?
deripty:  white campagnie, black kravets
EGC2013b [?\]: I thought I have written :D:D
deripty: android client doesn't apparently show game info
EGC2013b [?\]: aah.
Nyanjilla [-\]: yes.... 
EGC2013b [?\]: OK
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;B[iq]C[EGC2013b [?\]: for live video stream check http://egc2013.go.art.pl/page/live
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;B[np]C[EGC2013b [?\]: what do you think about black's development?
fab [3d\]: Remi is very strong at invading, his reading skills are very strong
fab [3d\]: so I would bet on white
reckone [13k\]: $50000 for white
EGC2013b [?\]: would be interesting when he starts then
fab [3d\]: black feels fast, but he owns a honte move around G3
EGC2013b [?\]: yes I think so too
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;W[ro]C[fab [3d\]: owes*
Hobbes [2k\]: i.don't.like.b.bottom.left....f3.aji.it's.like.a.burden.to.me....
Hobbes [2k\]: oh...yes.fab...as.you.said
SirEttin [1d\]: who are the players here
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;B[rp]C[EGC2013b [?\]: Campagnie - Kravets
EGC2013b [?\]: white-black
SirEttin [1d\]: thx
EGC2013b [?\]: you're welcome
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;B[on]C[SirEttin [1d\]: anti - neufx7 not being broadcast?
EGC2013b [?\]: no, they board 4
EGC2013b [?\]: I'm sorry
Torajiro [-\]: the game between the 2nd and the 3rd in the 4th board, what a joke
Reym [-\]: how is the table order decided?
EGC2013b [?\]: I don't know
EGC2013b [?\]: referees decide
Reym [-\]: ah ok thks!
EGC2013b [?\]: np
EGC2013b [?\]: I would P9 now
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;W[qn]C[SlySheep [1d\]: b has to kill the ponnuki now?
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;B[ln]
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;B[kl]C[klausP [7d?\]: by the way: Antti vs Debarre might happen later in the tournametn again
klausP [7d?\]: so we dont need to watch it now
klausP [7d?\]: :)
klausP [7d?\]: I would prefer to see Dinnerstein vs Kraemer, but well, we cant have all
fab [3d\]: I am very disappointed by the organisation, how come we can't watch live he first 100 games ? ;)
klausP [7d?\]: kind of suprising that Dinnerstein does not even make it to the final rounds
JonSnow [4d\]: he can still make it
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;W[lj]C[klausP [7d?\]: no
JonSnow [4d\]: yes of course
klausP [7d?\]: Lukas to strong
klausP [7d?\]: :)
JonSnow [4d\]: ah ok :)
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;B[kj]C[klausP [7d?\]: (hopfully)
fab [3d\]: after this round, the top 10 will have a MMS of 39 or more
JonSnow [4d\]: or top 9 if the Japanese guy wins
fab [3d\]: so the top 6 will be directly qualified, whereas there will be two qualifying rounds 7 vs 10 and 8 vs 9
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;W[lk]C[JonSnow [4d\]: if Kurita wins there will be only one qualifying game
fab [3d\]: yes
fab [3d\]: but all those with MMS 39 will have a chance to qualify
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;W[mi]C[JonSnow [4d\]: yes
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;B[ki]C[JonSnow [4d\]: so technically thomas and antti not qualified yet
JonSnow [4d\]: though they both have a good sos
fab [3d\]: yeah, no problem from them
fab [3d\]: for*
JonSnow [4d\]: never know with sos, if all your opponents decide to lose today...
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;W[mh]C[Hobbes [2k\]: wasn't.m11.aji.keshi?It.doesn't.leave.2.proper.cutting.point.and.streghten.w.....
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;B[jg]C[fab [3d\]: they also might get struck by a car before thursday ;)
fab [3d\]: they are qualified for all reasonnable matters :p
fab [3d\]: they also get "2 bonus SOS points" from todays matches since if their winning opponent will have a 40 SOS whereas those who win their way to 39 today will only have 38 from them
EGC2013b [?\]: Hobbes - no, because the shape is still eyeless
EGC2013b [?\]: and is a little bit weaker then if white controlled M11
fab [3d\]: hmm, I should try to read what I wrote before posting ;(
EGC2013b [?\]: not by much, but by little
JonSnow [4d\]: you're right fab
SimbaRules [1d\]: No Antti :( ?
SimbaRules [1d\]: Dang, only logged on to see him.
SimbaRules [1d\]: See you guys later :) have fun.
Wagaboo [2k\]: w is much behind :/
Hobbes [2k\]: uhmmm....thx....but.not.trurly.persuaded....what.w.wuold.have.played.if.just.l11?
EGC2013b [?\]: m11
EGC2013b [?\]: and later M8 is no sente
EGC2013b [?\]: in the game it is
EGC2013b [?\]: this is a little difference, you shouldn't worry too much until dan level:)
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;B[ke]C[Hobbes [2k\]: i.see.thx.v.much...
EGC2013b [?\]: you welcome:)
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;W[fg]C[EGC2013b [?\]: L15 looks like too persistent
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;B[od]C[momiji [3d\]: this is shaping up to be an easy game for w
Hobbes [2k\]: can.b.still.invade.with.c9.for.istance?
momiji [3d\]: of course, but w is territorially ok and b's influence is getting negated
Hobbes [2k\]: yeah...but.b.influence.is.kinda.of.already.negated.isn't.it?
Hobbes [2k\]: can't.think.b.playing.h6.for.istance
momiji [3d\]: that's what I mean about easy game for w :)
Hobbes [2k\]: yeah.ofc.:-)
Hobbes [2k\]: I.was.meaning.is.c9.the.option.for.making.the.game.longer?
Hobbes [2k\]: a.pert.from.killing.n12.ofc
momiji [3d\]: ie: b invasion, w gets h6, then it's a yose contest
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;B[pe]C[Hobbes [2k\]: the.only.other.idea.I.got.is.cutting.f13...but.w.can.just.control.that.b.eat.it.smallish.and.secure.left.for.the.win
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;W[qe]C[momiji [3d\]: w has f15, so a cut is not likely
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;W[fj]C[Blair [4k\]: is that debarre playing ?
Lesmian [2d\]: w Remi Campagnie b Andrii Kravets
Blair [4k\]: tbd
Blair [4k\]: thx
EGC2013b [?\]: Time counters: Kravets Andrii 1:55
EGC2013b [?\]: Campagnie Remi 1:21
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;B[dl]C[Lesmian [2d\]: gods know why they are writing surnames before names. 
Lesmian [2d\]: It seems that white has to cut off and kill at least one black stone from those\\
Lesmian [2d\]: which does not look easy
Lesmian [2d\]: c11 gives black shape so why do not occupy it?
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;W[fl]C[Lesmian [2d\]: ok, to kill
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;B[cn]C[Hobbes [2k\]: w.is.giving.a.chance.to.b....imho
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;W[co]C[Hobbes [2k\]: from.what.we.said.it.doesn't.seem.that.w.need.a."kill.to.win."position
Hobbes [2k\]: and.i.would.think.that.n11.give.b.more.ko.threats.than.w....so.b.is.advantaged.in.fights...
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;W[be]C[Hobbes [2k\]: b14?
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;W[cc]C[globax [3d\]: a18
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;B[sp]C[Mollusque [4d\]: a18 a16 d16 a15 d18 c19 f19 a17 w is ok
globax [3d\]: yes
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;B[dq]C[Mollusque [4d\]: nice reading by b
Mollusque [4d\]: h2 j2 h1 
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;W[hs]C[Mollusque [4d\]: then b has gained a move at j2
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;B[kq]C[Mollusque [4d\]: and d2
globax [3d\]: b9
CageyS [2d?\]: why the client doesn't parse strings to fit in the cat box?
Mollusque [4d\]: now w has to care of t7
Mollusque [4d\]: that is free ko for b
Mollusque [4d\]: here w has a komi lead but i'm afraid of b t7
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;W[cj]C[WVoron [5d\]: w not lead
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;B[ab]C[WVoron [5d\]: and t7 ko
WVoron [5d\]: so game over
WVoron [5d\]: c9 ko wins black
Weishenme [4d\]: yes, w very busy everywhere
Hobbes [2k\]: may.I.ask.the.ko.sequence?
Ber [1d\]: W a18 better a16 !
myrtle [4d\]: t7 s7 ko, because t7 s6 t11 t10 t8 
Hobbes [2k\]: oh...sure...t12.and.capture.does.not.connect....I.allucinated
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;W[kh]C[criatura [1d\]: ignore 
EGC2013b [?\]: TIME: W 0:37  B 1:33
WVoron [5d\]: cant ignore
WVoron [5d\]: but
godaisuki [2k?\]: center too big to ignore no?
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;B[sn]C[WVoron [5d\]: must count
WVoron [5d\]: ok
WVoron [5d\]: so k12
godaisuki [2k?\]: I guess b thinks otherwise
WVoron [5d\]: h11
criatura [1d\]: b have h11 
copyright [3d\]:  j11 
WVoron [5d\]: w j11 yes
criatura [1d\]: b l6 conect ? 
godaisuki [2k?\]: l6 n6?
WVoron [5d\]: l6 k5
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;W[jh]
;B[kn]C[criatura [1d\]: k5 o6 
WVoron [5d\]: this better
copyright [3d\]: n5 
godaisuki [2k?\]: oh l6 n6 k5 k6 M5
WVoron [5d\]: k5
copyright [3d\]: n5 is ok
Ber [1d\]: blanc a perdu l'attaque du ponnuki en début de partie a été fatal!
criatura [1d\]: n5k5k6l4 
copyright [3d\]: k5 and ko n6 
EGC2013b [?\]: B+ res
Hobbes [2k\]: suddenly
Hobbes [2k\]: criatura...you.call.the.letal.shot.congrats!
criatura [1d\]: ty =D 
globax [3d\]: thx egc 2013b
Hobbes [2k\]: yes.thx.egc2013b
CoffeeTime [3k?\]: where is the thomas game :/?
Trumelunki [3d\]: sadly the organisers decided not to show Antti vs Thomas game. Prob because both are pretty much guaranteed a spot in final 8.
rekin2 [5k?\]: who win???
erna [6k\]: just arrived: do we know the kgs-nicks?
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