(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[3x60 byo-yomi]
GN[57th European Go Congress, Quarterfinals]PW[Mitic Dusan]PB[Fan Hui]WR[6d]BR[7d]DT[2013-08-08]EV[European Go Championships]RO[Quarterfinals]PC[Olsztyn, Poland]C[BrianH [5k\]: start at 15 mins later?
Eduardo [2k\]: lol
BrianH [5k\]: lol for you lol
BrianH [5k\]: I am not right?
kmr [1d\]: yeah 15m to start it seems
BrianH [5k\]: :)
BrianH [5k\]: egc2013a always for fan hui
kmr [1d\]: i predict Fan,Surma,Debarre and Roln will qualify :)
BrianH [5k\]: Quater finals
BrianH [5k\]: fan
BrianH [5k\]: Ilja
Eduardo [2k\]: u are right brian :p
BrianH [5k\]: do you think debarre or artem?
BrianH [5k\]: artem vs debarre
shuuhei [?\]: why level of fan is 7dan? he is 8dan
BrianH [5k\]: why you know?
Eduardo [2k\]: sry, lol for me is :o, like the scream by munch XD
BrianH [5k\]: lol
BrianH [5k\]: xd
BrianH [5k\]: xD
BrianH [5k\]: antii vs surma
Eduardo [2k\]: There arent europeans 8d
Eduardo [2k\]: 8d egd*
BrianH [5k\]: I know
tuquedenne [4d\]: so the 1/4 not relayed is Pavol Lisy-Shikshin ?
shuuhei [?\]: thank you 
Reym [-\]: all are relayed, check egc2013d also
BrianH [5k\]: Ilja vs pavol
EGC2013a [?\]: all are relayed
tuquedenne [4d\]: ok I had just not it in my fan list before :p
kmr [1d\]: egc2013 a/b/c/d 
kmr [1d\]: 4 games are relayed
Eduardo [2k\]: Fan, antti, artem and ilja will win
JEGO [7k\]: fan hui with Black ? is nigiri?
Eduardo [2k\]: yeps, nigiri
BrianH [5k\]: you right,eduardo
BrianH [5k\]: they will qualify
EGC2013a [?\]: no nigiri
Eduardo [2k\]: :o xD
tuquedenne [4d\]: because nigiri is not an equal game
JEGO [7k\]: ok
Eduardo [2k\]: ??? but fan is b :/
myrtle [4d\]: i bet fan, ilya, antti, debarre :)
JEGO [7k\]: not logical
myrtle [4d\]: nice to see 6 of the 8 players are pretty young, only this board a bit older
tuquedenne [4d\]: it's just pseudo-random by the software pairing the rounds
tuquedenne [4d\]: Dusan is old ? -_-
myrtle [4d\]: how old? i was not sure, i just saw his name for a while :)
tuquedenne [4d\]: 23
tuquedenne [4d\]: he's younger than Shikshin
myrtle [4d\]: ah ok, then 7/8 :)
tuquedenne [4d\]: ok then I agree :)
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;B[dd]C[JEGO [7k\]: fan R16 play black?
Eduardo [2k\]: 23 is old? -___- xd
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;W[pp]
;B[pc]C[JEGO [7k\]: 23 very old for Go game ^^
Icare [1k\]: mini chinese coming
myrtle [4d\]: maybe w r15 now :)
mozarto [?\]: who's playing please?
Eduardo [2k\]: :p xd
Icare [1k\]: favorite open of fan as far as I know
Koffein [-\]: atleast if you try to get stronger as a high dan ...
JEGO [7k\]: no white D4 or C4
]
;W[dp]
;B[qn]C[myrtle [4d\]: last chance to break the opening...
Eduardo [2k\]: r9
JEGO [7k\]: hig pincer of mitic now
Icare [1k\]: If fan can mini chinese, he wins :)
Eduardo [2k\]: but fan played q17
Eduardo [2k\]: he cant :/
Icare [1k\]: once fan said " when B plays R6, I see no solution for white "
tuquedenne [4d\]: mini chinese or R12 ?
mozarto [?\]: fan b, mitic w ?
tuquedenne [4d\]: and still he loses game playing R6 :)
tuquedenne [4d\]: yes mozarto
mozarto [?\]: thank you
HappyLook [5d\]: Dusan around 27 actually
mozarto [?\]: what table is playing Debarre ?
Eduardo [2k\]: c, seem
Dimitri [11k\]: c
myrtle [4d\]: C
mozarto [?\]: thx!
BrianH [5k\]: cebarre game still not stary
BrianH [5k\]: start*
Eduardo [2k\]: xD
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;W[ql]C[Eduardo [2k\]: hmmm
Blair [4k\]: hi, who's playing here ?
Eduardo [2k\]: Isnt it bad actually?
JEGO [7k\]: a small pincer interesting
flowbender [2k\]: r15 
Margu [11k\]: w Mitic Dusan b Fan Hui
Icare [1k\]: R14 is standard
grandaure [5k\]: W Mitic Dusan B Fan Hui
]
;B[qf]C[Blair [4k\]: thx
Eduardo [2k\]: r14, too fan style :/
Eduardo [2k\]: q6
co115: hi eduardo
co115: fan style is good
Icare [1k\]: Q6 K3
grandaure [5k\]: Fan is pro
co115: q6 c6
flowbender [2k\]:  fan is french
clicisclic [5k\]: yeah: he really like putting a stone on the board, and exactly after his opponent puts one. Each time. amazing :p
Susalos [8k\]: fan is no french ^^
Eduardo [2k\]: so..o3 :/
co115: fan is asian
co115: ;D
JEGO [7k\]: FAn is french now
grandaure [5k\]: he is french now
Margu [11k\]: Not thís discussion again...
Koffein [-\]: typical french name
myrtle [4d\]: k17 most common next, o3 also popular tho
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;W[nq]C[Eduardo [2k\]: fan is frenchinese
co115: he is french, but have asian blood on his veins
Eduardo [2k\]: xd
Susalos [8k\]: he speak french ? lol ^^
myrtle [4d\]: now top side biggest
clicisclic [5k\]: hum, this discussion is going in a bad way, guys
Krapsman [2k\]: he speaks perfectly french
myrtle [4d\]: i guess dusan is gonna try to take enough points then start a crazy fight in moyo
Krapsman [2k\]: totally fluent
]
;B[cn]C[co115: so he loves pate de fromage?
Eduardo [2k\]: f4
co115: no
co115: d10 is the move
Eduardo [2k\]: d10?
Susalos [8k\]: oui j aime les pattes au fromages :p
grandaure [5k\]: which moyo, myrtle ?
Eduardo [2k\]: why :/
myrtle [4d\]: down to one game in my db with this opening :) and f4 came next
co115: yes , must pincer os the game is over
co115: or*
myrtle [4d\]: grandaure, i assumed b would play k16 or l16 ish :)
arsouille [13k?\]: Fan hui french book : http://lnk.nu/amazon.fr/2kqq
arsouille [13k?\]: ^^
grandaure [5k\]: OK !
Susalos [8k\]: mdr
Terranigma [2k\]: i like d10
co115: if f4 d10 , b is way ahead, so first d10 ok bro
Eduardo [2k\]: xD
Eduardo [2k\]: d9 i prefer
Koffein [-\]: you have a strange way to count, guest
poppeye [9k\]: I like P6/P10/O11
co115: lol
Terranigma [2k\]: d9 is too far from c14
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;W[fp]C[Reym [-\]: who won this game in your db myrtle?
]
;B[dk]C[co115: LOL!
co115: b won
co115: gg
Eduardo [2k\]: xD
fredo [3k\]: d19 is not so esthetic
fredo [3k\]: d9 ..
Koffein [-\]: it's been so many years .. and i still miss the auto-guest-censor function :)
co115: :-)
Eduardo [2k\]: p8
co115: p8 is good
Terranigma [2k\]: f17 first
tuquedenne [4d\]: it's been so many years... and I still miss my $ spent on a client that doesn't show players names
poppeye [9k\]: yes the top edge looks toooo black
]
;W[fc]
;B[cf]C[Eduardo [2k\]: fast respond, :/
co115: b already ahead
Eduardo [2k\]: hui is secure
Eduardo [2k\]: d18 must xd
]
;W[jc]C[Eduardo [2k\]: nooo xd
co115: :(
co115: e18 for da cash
Terranigma [2k\]: k17 is good against b's top right
co115: man terranigma is realy nice game
poppeye [9k\]: I think P12 v E12
Terranigma [2k\]: it is, isn't it :)
arsouille [13k?\]: look after R6 ? 
Ber [1d\]: can we have the other matchs of main tournement?
Eduardo [2k\]: r11
co115: k3
poppeye [9k\]: b might K6
grandaure [5k\]: egc2013b, c & d
Krapsman [2k\]: lol
Krapsman [2k\]: k6
Krapsman [2k\]: :)
co115: k6 for what :D
tuquedenne [4d\]: yeah Ber, we miss the pairing of 8th round on the website :-(
poppeye [9k\]: well k4
co115: k6 is testing move or?
poppeye [9k\]: P6
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;B[hc]C[fredo [3k\]: lol
co115: he is going for h18 and tenuki and wait for w answer in h16
Eduardo [2k\]: mmm, is good , but isnt fan style 
Eduardo [2k\]: xD
co115: :)
Eduardo [2k\]: i am surprised xd
co115: typical opening
Terranigma [2k\]: i like the fuseki of both players in this game. good balance.
Krapsman [2k\]: h16 sequence?
Krapsman [2k\]: b will be happy if he gets a huge orner
co115: r6 is pretty nice now
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;W[hb]C[BrianH [5k\]: TESXUJI
co115: time for p6
co115: for sure
Screwtape [1k\]: What, no.
Terranigma [2k\]: h18 seems 1 move too soon to me, but what do i know..
Screwtape [1k\]: <- out of practice
Screwtape [1k\]: Tenuki common
poppeye [9k\]: K4 and Q10 begging\]
Eduardo [2k\]: this is a book's sequence :/
Eduardo [2k\]: xd
co115: this is classical...
co115: why early ?
Screwtape [1k\]: White would like to play R11 anyway, right?
co115: right
arsouille [13k?\]: there gone ?
grandaure [5k\]: coffee  break maybe
Pancapes [2k\]: do they speak on mic? 
Pancapes [2k\]: or in chat?
holynec [-\]: Allez Dusan!
co115: probabilyp6 r11 q10 r10 q8 
FuzzFace [1k\]: its ceuropeen championishp ?
]
;B[ib]C[Evaugh [3k?\]: http://egc2013.go.art.pl/page/live  first video
grandaure [5k\]: yes, 1/4 final
co115: yes congress
Eduardo [2k\]: ok , here we go, book's sequence 
Eduardo [2k\]: XD
USSRMan [3d\]: fan hui will win
co115: fan hui likes to play simple sequences
T4L0N [1k\]: Simple, but very strong
Eduardo [2k\]: w is thinking tenuki xd
holynec [-\]: j'espere que Dusan va gagner!
co115: sure, he got the professional timing moves
Screwtape [1k\]: Can white aim at trouble top right?
Terranigma [2k\]: that would just give trouble to itself imo
Wagaboo [2k\]: decouvrez le go, inscrivez vous à MITIC
Eduardo [2k\]: w have ladder breaker
Wagaboo [2k\]: heh ! H18 wasn't too early ?
Terranigma [2k\]: ?
Eduardo [2k\]: he can play p8 :/ after, r11 too
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;W[ic]
;B[gb]
;W[hd]
;B[gc]
;W[gd]
;B[fd]C[co115: i'm going get some chocolate drink
Screwtape [1k\]: Maybe tenuki already?
Eduardo [2k\]: o17
Eduardo [2k\]: no
arsouille [13k?\]: Fan Hui always thinks on Dusan time ^^
Eduardo [2k\]: f15 first xD
myrtle [4d\]: f18 h19 d17 e16 c17 k18 is my bet
T4L0N [1k\]: Seems good, life in the corner
myrtle [4d\]: actually can k18 go at l17 in that line? :)
T4L0N [1k\]: THough then j17 stones are in a pickle
co115: f15 :)
]
;W[fb]
;B[ha]C[Eduardo [2k\]: the myrtle sequence looks proper now
chrayma [7k\]: and if K18 now ?
Terranigma [2k\]: as r8 probably will help w to block ladder threat too
Zaagmans [3d\]: K18 too big imo, w normally plays D17 here I think
co115: myrtle is right
Zaagmans [3d\]: (too big corner for B if W k18)
co115: strange w is slow
Eduardo [2k\]: hmmm
Eduardo [2k\]: and f19?
Icare [1k\]: this is the fear...
]
;W[dc]C[Eduardo [2k\]: o.o
FuzzFace [1k\]: fear of the dark ? 
co115: no iron maiden references here
]
;B[ed]
;W[cc]C[myrtle [4d\]: l17 for the lolz
Eduardo [2k\]: run to the hills white xD
]
;B[kc]C[myrtle [4d\]: yatta
co115: :D
Icare [1k\]: wow good call
co115: yatta is typical shindo hikaru
Madzilla [3d\]: it's been played before, Icare
co115: yes good variation
Icare [1k\]: first timeI see.. 
co115: i hav that book
tuquedenne [4d\]: usual joseki :)
co115: but can't remember the name
Icare [1k\]: cool, I just learn something
Icare [1k\]: I suppose w can't k18...
BrianH [5k\]: oh
myrtle [4d\]: from what i remember b normally ends up living in ko at the top
Eduardo [2k\]: k18 is bad=
Eduardo [2k\]: ?
Terranigma [2k\]: how about l18?
myrtle [4d\]: k18 j16 g14 k16 l18 m17 is the line to read
]
;W[cd]C[myrtle [4d\]: oo e14 looks like nice shape now
BrianH [5k\]: oh
myrtle [4d\]: maybe b can get more violent tho
Krapsman [2k\]: can't cut j16 now?
myrtle [4d\]: j16 might get d15 answer? or e14 answer?
myrtle [4d\]: might still be ok tho :)
Koffein [-\]: kraps, that's the idea behind l17 .. if w plays k18, black will jsut cut
Krapsman [2k\]: so maybe f14 a bit more aggressive than e14?
Krapsman [2k\]: I see
Bauer [1d\]: 14 is so elegant, so correct by beauty
Krapsman [2k\]: so if b cut now it means l17 has no sense?
UFO [-\]: k18?
Bauer [1d\]: e14
Eduardo [2k\]: e13
grandaure [5k\]: k18
]
;B[ge]C[Eduardo [2k\]: lol
myrtle [4d\]: so b wants to make w heavy...
redstab: "so correct by beauty" ?
Krapsman [2k\]: h15 seems natural
co115: hey eduardo, are you from poland?
Terranigma [2k\]: ugly moves are right if they make the opponent uglier
Eduardo [2k\]: no xd
Eduardo [2k\]: h15 isnt natural xd
arsouille [13k?\]: they are profesional, but i guess, they work for administration. Always taking break and watching the clock
vogelfrei [2d\]: why didnt b cut?
T4L0N [1k\]: No need
myrtle [4d\]: cos he wants to attack whole group vogelfrei, doesnt want to let black sac easily
redstab: because he wants all ?
romkat [?\]: white will tenuki here?
playful [?\]: what does xd mean?
playful [?\]: I've been seeing this for years
vogelfrei [2d\]: cut felt obvious to me
redstab: its a smiley
Terranigma [2k\]: an Xtra Dumb smiley
T4L0N [1k\]: its xD
playful [?\]: I don't see it
vogelfrei [2d\]: then again : j16 g14 k16 e14 
T4L0N [1k\]: tilt your head to the left
T4L0N [1k\]: xD
playful [?\]: I see...
playful [?\]: thanks :)
T4L0N [1k\]: :)
vogelfrei [2d\]: ^_^
arsouille [13k?\]: Are the clock stop when they all two gone away ?
redstab: how is the tournament going btw ?
vogelfrei [2d\]: it has a slight flu but its alright
redstab: summer flu ?
Evaugh [3k?\]: vogelflu
southdock [7k?\]: man cold
vogelfrei [2d\]: i have a summer flu too :(
Terranigma [2k\]: maybe w should just connect at j16
romkat [?\]: white will play r13 or i'll eat my hat
redstab: post the video plz
Eduardo [2k\]: j16
Eduardo [2k\]: is must
Marta [5k\]: http://egc2013.go.art.pl/page/live
vogelfrei [2d\]: hands spoon
Screwtape [1k\]: Local situation seems urgent
redstab: j16 is sente anyway right ?
Screwtape [1k\]: Why can't white H15?
vogelfrei [2d\]: he can , its just that b wabts w to do it
redstab: h15 j16 i guess
Bauer [1d\]: w can handle the stones lightly, only kikashi stones
nur15k: nobody likes the middle as moyo
Terranigma [2k\]: h15 would hurt w in the end
Screwtape [1k\]: But black left is thin
Screwtape [1k\]: Well, black left is thin
Screwtape [1k\]: What can we do?
vogelfrei [2d\]: h15 h14 g14 j16 
redstab: where should a moyo be besides middle 
redstab: ?
Screwtape [1k\]: Good point, not playing H15 is better than playing H15
nur15k: all over the board
cambodia [6k\]: k15?
nur15k: vietnam?
redstab: J16 for sente then tenuki ?
playful [?\]: damn this is taking a long time
Terranigma [2k\]: j16 k18 l16 is the only sequence that makes sense to me here
Screwtape [1k\]: Not playing J16 is going to be better, right?
vogelfrei [2d\]: well cant just give b all
redstab: k15 j16
myrtle [4d\]: that way is too heavy i think terranigma, w just ends up running while b steals all the points
Koffein [-\]: if w wants to play tenuki, he should do it now. every move here makes this group heavier
redstab: anyway w has to protect the cut or tenuki
Terranigma [2k\]: w is open to the center then no need to run. just a single jump
vogelfrei [2d\]: so c12 or o17?
myrtle [4d\]: maybe ask at e14
Screwtape [1k\]: I like C12
Screwtape [1k\]: But what is white gaining
JEGO [7k\]: k18 white ?
Terranigma [2k\]: actually.... i've changed my mind. w should play l16 first\]
lamalama: if L16 now then white is destroyed in two moves
Terranigma [2k\]: how so?
Icare [1k\]: impressive... so hard to find a good answer to this apparently simple move
playful [?\]: w can't ignore this
vogelfrei [2d\]: hane is the most powerful move of all
playful [?\]: but seems no really good answer
redstab: hane what ?
vogelfrei [2d\]: hane the  weak
JEGO [7k\]: k18 the best :)
vogelfrei [2d\]: k18 is a nice lol
redstab: k18 is w dead
Terranigma [2k\]: when you have no good sequence, you should not make yourself heavy. hence l16.
Screwtape [1k\]: I'm back to wanting to play K15
ChrisHH [3d\]: right, after L7 W can sacrifice 2 stones
Screwtape [1k\]: er
Screwtape [1k\]: H15
vogelfrei [2d\]: l16 just gives up cut stones without makeing a base or shape
Terranigma [2k\]: it threatens to make one
vogelfrei [2d\]: not really
romkat [?\]: white k14: jump lightly.
Zaagmans [3d\]: this is the punishment for neglecting to exchange K15 for K18 instead of C16
redstab: is there a good answer locally ?
playful [?\]: w has to extend at h15
playful [?\]: seems no choice
vogelfrei [2d\]: h15 is bad
playful [?\]: yes, but all moves are bad
redstab: theres always a choice
vogelfrei [2d\]: b just double hane
playful [?\]: which one is least bad?>
]
;W[he]
;B[hf]C[superPal [1d\]: go go
playful [?\]: see? :)
vogelfrei [2d\]: if make shape b can block in sente, if atatri, b cut
superPal [1d\]: being playful is not entirely bad
playful [?\]: :)
superPal [1d\]: overplayful is bad
joenosai [4k\]: I was hoping to see Cornel in the Quarterfinals
superPal [1d\]: k15?
vogelfrei [2d\]: yes but k18 is sente
]
;W[gf]C[Kanin [7d\]: I see a lot of strong payers playing D15 before cutting at J17 lately
Kanin [7d\]: I guess L17 is the reason why they are not pleased with the game variation
UFO [-\]: we get a teaching of cornel joenosai
]
;B[fe]C[joenosai [4k\]: when? :)
]
;W[if]
;B[hg]C[Screwtape [1k\]: W so tough
superPal [1d\]: left side big for b
UFO [-\]: the date is not known at the moment
]
;W[jb]C[UFO [-\]: but read the info every day
joenosai [4k\]: oh ok. well g2g. bbol :)
redstab: j16 ?
]
;B[kb]C[superPal [1d\]: l18 nice
superPal [1d\]: b read w like a book
vogelfrei [2d\]: b dropped his eye, he wants to pick it up of course ;D
redstab: dead groups make eyes
Icare [1k\]: j13
Icare [1k\]: no nvm
]
;W[ie]C[romkat [?\]: now w j16,k19 then move out?
VIH [3d\]: W can't K19, J15 only
JEGO [7k\]: so fan made k18 probe
myrtle [4d\]: this feels so good for b
Screwtape [1k\]: W doesn't afraid of anything
redstab: fan is b ?
vogelfrei [2d\]: l17 is a beuaty
]
;B[ja]C[superPal [1d\]: k16?
isa [3k\]: fan is b
GoKlaus [1d?\]: @VIH, what was the sequence, if w k19 instead j15, be so kind, help me please
VIH [3d\]: cut at J16
poppeye [9k\]: you can clone the game and try it yourself ..
GoKlaus [1d?\]: yes, than w j15
]
;W[ig]
;B[hh]C[vogelfrei [2d\]: w cant capture in that ladder
redstab: so what to do now with a weak cutting group ?
Marta [5k\]: cut and ladders
arsouille [13k?\]: EGC2013a : could we have time ?
VIH [3d\]: K16. No ladder then and 2 liberties only
Zaagmans [3d\]: w awful, too bad...
Screwtape [1k\]: I vote white's got nothing.
]
;W[ih]
;B[hi]
;W[jj]C[GoKlaus [1d?\]: oh, I see
GoKlaus [1d?\]: thx
redstab: left side is getting really big...
Screwtape [1k\]: The left side sucks
Marta [5k\]: xD
superPal [1d\]: bottom bigger
VIH [3d\]: So W runs through neutral zone while B closes territory
garance [3k\]: Allez Fan Hui, Solal, Raphaël et Marc sont avec toi ! On est fan ! 
JEGO [7k\]: oui vas  y Van
JEGO [7k\]: Fan,
]
;B[hk]C[superPal [1d\]: q8
redstab: he cant hear you
]
;W[bf]
;B[bg]
;W[be]C[Shinichi56 [-\]: vazy marc jegouuuu
garance [3k\]: Oh, mine, je n'avais même pas réalisé le jeu de mots que je faisais en encourageant notre maître. ^^
]
;B[cg]C[redstab: k5 or r12 bigger ?
cambodia [6k\]: can B cut at J11?
]
;W[co]C[tuquedenne [4d\]: now he can't
tuquedenne [4d\]: white will sacrifice K17 and take the cutting stones
manofearth [?\]: b is  can probably win this from here using only strong amateur techniques
Screwtape [1k\]: White needs to play two stones at once I feel
Shinichi56 [-\]: m10 for b would be a good shape?
Screwtape [1k\]: K8 just looks so pretty
Screwtape [1k\]: But white also wants R12 I think
Shinichi56 [-\]: d6 or b6 ?
tuquedenne [4d\]: why not L12 Shini ?
Shinichi56 [-\]: l12 mmm yeah maybe, mais pas trop téléphonné?^^
tuquedenne [4d\]: je sais pas localement je jouerais ça
Shinichi56 [-\]: okok
Shinichi56 [-\]: j'avoue cest pas mal
tuquedenne [4d\]: mais bon maintenant tu sais je joue plus, je ne cherche qu'à faire des commentaires honte... :)
isa [3k\]: b6 parait bizarre
androgo [2d?\]: sorry-ob Android. who is playing?
]
;B[hq]C[Screwtape [1k\]: Mitic Dusan v Fan Hui
tuquedenne [4d\]: black is Fan Hui, white is Dusan Mitic
androgo [2d?\]: tx guys
garance [3k\]: Belle réponse Fan, tu ne te soumets pas ! Yeah ! 
Shinichi56 [-\]: b6 
]
;W[bn]C[clicisclic [5k\]: -_-
]
;B[fr]
;W[dr]C[zaboomafoo [3k\]: fan is gona win xD
]
;B[kq]C[Samutra [?\]: l3
isa [3k\]: upper right is huge
playful [?\]: yes
playful [?\]: w really has to find a way to reduce it
Samutra [?\]: r17
]
;W[qp]C[bluetable [-\]: this is start of middlegame right?
playful [?\]: but his wall isn't strong enough for a good invasion
playful [?\]: cause of l17
playful [?\]: methinks
cambodia [6k\]: r10
isa [3k\]: I would r11 instead of r10
playful [?\]: w want to build some influence attacking r6 to make a better invasion, maybe?
Zahlman [1k\]: invasion of what?
playful [?\]: invasion/reduction of upper right
cambodia [6k\]: l15?
Samutra [?\]: r10
Zahlman [1k\]: I actually kinda like the idea of doing something ridiculously calm like r11...
Wagaboo [2k\]: !!
Zahlman [1k\]: that is very unlike me :)
playful [?\]: r11 seems good
zaboomafoo [3k\]: w is absolutely hurting right now
zaboomafoo [3k\]: so cool how fan can create an obviously winning position so quickly
Wagaboo [2k\]: i would p14
manofearth [?\]: how big a komi would make this game a tossup?
Wagaboo [2k\]: 145.5
]
;B[ke]C[Zahlman [1k\]: you mean, as the board stands now?
Zahlman [1k\]: are we taking the players' strength into account?
cambodia [6k\]: yes
zaboomafoo [3k\]: l15 looked good
manofearth [?\]: no
zaboomafoo [3k\]: w wall is just becoming wasted stones
Zahlman [1k\]: l15 is nice
manofearth [?\]: no. pretend they r just ordinary 6d's of even strength
Zahlman [1k\]: considered this also
Krapsman [2k\]: r12?
Zahlman [1k\]: ... well in that case, why not just ask to estimate the score :P
cambodia [6k\]: w has to protect the cut now, no?
tuquedenne [4d\]: @EGC : do we have a chance to get the pairing for today's round ? :)
FuzzFace [1k\]: when is the final ? 
isa [3k\]: saturday in logic
manofearth [?\]: they r not the same and I was hoping 4 a serious answer from a 6d or better
zaboomafoo [3k\]: b can't cut immediately bc geta
Zahlman [1k\]: then I do not understand the question
androgo [2d?\]: w can sacrifice3 stones
Zahlman [1k\]: androgo, what line do you have in mind?
Krapsman [2k\]: k16 makes the cut possible so w could play something like r12 k16 l12 
romkat [?\]: is b intending j11 push then cut?
manofearth [?\]: all he is saying is that a b cut  at k12 will b captured
]
;W[qc]C[manofearth [?\]: w 2go out flaming
zaboomafoo [3k\]: I have a feeling fan would attack r12 first
manofearth [?\]: c y they r not the same zahlman?
zaboomafoo [3k\]: before grabbing the three stones
JEGO [7k\]: r17 is for cross cut after
isa [3k\]: does white hope b r16 w q16 ?
Krapsman [2k\]: q16 I guess
Krapsman [2k\]: I mean b will q16 I guess
]
;B[qd]C[manofearth [?\]: r12?. attack? r we looking at the ame board?
Krapsman [2k\]: :)
JEGO [7k\]: q16
androgo [2d?\]: cut. geta, b then Atari on 3 stones threatens capture
Koffein [-\]: kraps, b q16 is almost always slack. white gets too much too easily compared to the hane
]
;W[pd]C[zaboomafoo [3k\]: q16 p17?
Shinichi56 [-\]: marc jegou is always right
JEGO [7k\]: sure
Krapsman [2k\]: thx koffein
Koffein [-\]: the 3rd possibility would have been hane at r18 
Koffein [-\]: but it's an all-or-nothing move
Krapsman [2k\]: with q16 r16 s15 it is not possible to kill?
]
;B[pb]C[Koffein [-\]: q16 r16 s15 q18 p18 s18 atleast ko
Krapsman [2k\]: right
Koffein [-\]: r17 q16 r16 r15 is better for ko (black loses slightly less compared to s15 )
]
;W[lg]C[romkat [?\]: m13 to the rescue
minimalist [2k\]: r11 seems very big
WVoron [5d\]: r12 huge
Krapsman [2k\]: r11 or r10 for b?
manofearth [?\]: who else is  playing?
isa [3k\]: nice
minimalist [2k\]: maybe q10?
zaboomafoo [3k\]: r10
romkat [?\]: white stones- more potential
zaboomafoo [3k\]: but potential can be destroyed
Koffein [-\]: qr10 is a bit deep, it makes the q16 aji much more severe
Krapsman [2k\]: yeah not sure r10 p8 is a good exchange for b
zaboomafoo [3k\]: solid terr can't
myrtle [4d\]: oo for anyone interested list of r8 pairings appeared
playful [?\]: link please?
tuquedenne [4d\]: thanks myrtle :)
tuquedenne [4d\]: http://egc2013.go.art.pl/EGC2013_main.html
playful [?\]: thanks :)
tuquedenne [4d\]: o_O Ondrej already won his game
Koffein [-\]: by forfeit
Koffein [-\]: !result
]
;B[mf]
;W[qe]
;B[rd]
;W[pf]C[Krapsman [2k\]: what means SOS and MMS?
playful [?\]: this list is very cryptic
]
;B[re]
;W[qg]C[playful [?\]: I don't understand it
Koffein [-\]: sos = sum of opponent's score
tuquedenne [4d\]: strange forfeit
Koffein [-\]: mms= mc mahon score
Wang1 [1d\]: where is w from?
minimalist [2k\]: mms=multimedia massage
myrtle [4d\]: his oppo was russian, maybe late night mourning dinerstein exit :)
Koffein [-\]: mms = start points (determined by rank) + 1 pt per win
Krapsman [2k\]: thx Koffein :)
pancake [-\]: short for mcmahon score 
pancake [-\]: sos is sum of opponen't scores
pancake [-\]: used for tiebreakers
]
;B[pe]C[playful [?\]: I'm not sure about thisr13
pancake [-\]: as*
Krapsman [2k\]: thx
]
;W[rf]C[Koffein [-\]: just imagine n14 would be at r10 :)
chrayma [7k\]: w wants right side
romkat [?\]: w played r13- i won't eat my hat now
kmr [1d\]: white is from Serbia i suppose
chrayma [7k\]: yes kmr
Icare [1k\]: b does not need to play the ko
suppress [2k\]: black is unhappy that white was even able to do this
romkat [?\]: white m4 coming up
garance [3k\]: Blanc serait-il en train de faire de la force pour s'attaquer à R6 ? 
suppress [2k\]: l5 > m4
Mycraft [-\]: garance, r6 est deja faible, non ?
chrayma [7k\]: R10 ?
garance [3k\]: faible oui mais pas mort... non ? Ca me semble gros si blanc prend en grand.  Mais bon, je vois ça avec mes yeux.
garance [3k\]: J'ai l'impression que noir a plus à perdre que blanc dans ce ko. 
isa [3k\]: le problème c'est de trouver des menaces de ko
Mycraft [-\]: on va pas s'en faire à ce point, ils sont pros : laissons les nous apprendre.
garance [3k\]: C'est ça.
manofearth [?\]: b  doesn't have a real  kothreat
manofearth [?\]:  w does
]
;B[of]
;W[qe]
;B[oe]C[chrayma [7k\]: Where can we see the european scale ?
]
;W[og]C[garance [3k\]: Blanc veut tout !!! ^^
tuquedenne [4d\]: seul l'un des deux est pro :
Zahlman [1k\]: can b really reduce the right side enough now?
garance [3k\]: Fan Hui même pas peur ! 
suppress [2k\]: yes
Krapsman [2k\]: invade
]
;B[nh]C[Zahlman [1k\]: bold
suppress [2k\]: there's more than enough aji to make a successful invasion
romkat [?\]: 6.5 komi, homey
Zahlman [1k\]: it has the look of a misclick, but
suppress [2k\]: its a live game? -.-
Zahlman [1k\]: it seems right, some kind of improvised shape
grandaure [5k\]: yes, suppress
Zahlman [1k\]: indeed there is aji, w is burdened by having to connect j13 back somehow
suppress [2k\]: it wasn't really a question of whether it was a live game or not
grandaure [5k\]: live stream here http://egc2013.go.art.pl/page/live
suppress [2k\]: I was finishing Zah's statement in the form of a question
Zahlman [1k\]: lol
manofearth [?\]: just my luck. the only strong kibitzer is talking in french
suppress [2k\]: what if I'm strong?
grandaure [5k\]: learn it
]
;W[ik]C[Zahlman [1k\]: french is the language of strong kibitz, surely
tuquedenne [4d\]: i'm not a strong kibitzer but if you prefer I'll speak in english :)
suppress [2k\]: black should knight's move
Zaagmans [3d\]: n11 ?
suppress [2k\]: q11
Amoxi: strictly speaking, the strongest player to kibitz so far is koffein ^^
romkat [?\]: we are texting, everyone... not speaking... hello?
Zahlman [1k\]: I can't figure what j9 is supposed to accomplish...
tuquedenne [4d\]: koffein has a silver crown, I've got a gold :)
manofearth [?\]: well, if u have remarks about the game, i'd like that
suppress [2k\]: it makes k10 thick
Wood44 [2k\]: GO FAN !
suppress [2k\]: thick stones have less aji accordingly
suppress [2k\]: and are harder to play near
Zahlman [1k\]: okay, but still needs a plan to connect back
MicMac [2d\]: he need to protect j15 to play o13 and cut
tuquedenne [4d\]: well I suppose black is just trying to make the game easy since NW sequence
tuquedenne [4d\]: he's ahead
Zahlman [1k\]: for b to play h8 or something here seems submissive
]
;B[mh]C[zaboomafoo [3k\]: why this and not o13?
Zahlman [1k\]: oho, here is declaration of war
tuquedenne [4d\]: more efficient on the center
suppress [2k\]: no, n12 is a declaration of victory -.-
ggrrjr: est-ce éliminatoire direct ?
suppress [2k\]: he should've q11'd first because it;s interesting
Mycraft [-\]: quart de finale :)
Zahlman [1k\]: I guess b is not thick enough in the south to just push w that direction
isa [3k\]: pour le titre de champion d'europe oui
grandaure [5k\]: oui 1/4 finale
Zahlman [1k\]: however, this is still a splitting attack I guess?
ggrrjr: super )
Zahlman [1k\]: is there some followup around r11?
manofearth [?\]: but  can b really declare in this position? how much  can w still make?
Wang1 [1d\]: w is too thin, isn't it?
JEGO [7k\]: m12 white necessary after
pancake [-\]: q11 now?
zaboomafoo [3k\]: p12 only move?
pancake [-\]: then he has only one group to worry about
MicMac [2d\]: q10
manofearth [?\]: or else what, JEKO?
zaboomafoo [3k\]: fan games are kind of boring because we already know the outcome
romkat [?\]: q10 then attack the bottom group with k4?
tuquedenne [4d\]: R11 would be severe
JEGO [7k\]: so protect p12
manofearth [?\]: so 
JEGO [7k\]: but a lot of threat after
Wang1 [1d\]: How can w win this game?
WVoron [5d\]: q11
tuquedenne [4d\]: he probably can't
manofearth [?\]: so we shouldn't read The Odyssey because we know from the cartoon version that Odysseus ultimately gets his wife and throne back?
Evaugh [3k?\]: exactly
Wang1 [1d\]: Wrong.
co115: where are w points?
Wang1 [1d\]: there
co115: wut
suppress [2k\]: on the board
JEGO [7k\]: black can also go away with a q6 move after
]
;W[pj]C[zaboomafoo [3k\]: we shouldn't read the Odyssey because the live action movie is better
co115: man w is really bad on that game :(
Wang1 [1d\]: Where's w's hope?
suppress [2k\]: there's a live action movie
suppress [2k\]: ?
BigDoug [-\]: please keep the comments only about the gme
Wang1 [1d\]: no.
JEGO [7k\]: p6?
Wood44 [2k\]: could we have the timer?
suppress [2k\]: white's hope is on the left side
suppress [2k\]: because d9 is still light
Wang1 [1d\]: Left side is already b's
elh [4d\]: "vulnerable" is the word
suppress [2k\]: I use the 2 interchangably
elh [4d\]: lol
Amoxi: that is incorrect
JEGO [7k\]: fist fan ca reduce by q12 move
Evaugh [3k?\]: how about something like M10?
suppress [2k\]: it's a factual statement pointing to my tendency to use the 2 words interchangably
Amoxi: i'll be more clear
Amoxi: your usage is incorrect
BigDoug [-\]: please keep the comments only about the game -- i won't ask again
MicMac [2d\]: the game looks balanced
JEGO [7k\]: i think now Q12 the best forced move
]
;B[rl]C[tuquedenne [4d\]: q12 is one of the worstest moves on this goban
Krapsman [2k\]: just worst is enough
suppress [2k\]: interesting way to use r6
elh [4d\]: which is the bestest in your opinion?
tuquedenne [4d\]: :)
]
;W[qk]C[Krapsman [2k\]: ;0
tuquedenne [4d\]: bestestest move was S8 of course :)
Krapsman [2k\]: :)
tuquedenne [4d\]: R7 ?
suppress [2k\]: r7 seems natural here
Krapsman [2k\]: r11
zaboomafoo [3k\]: r11 seem overplay
Wood44 [2k\]: p6 
]
;B[on]C[ggrrjr: j13 en danger ?
suppress [2k\]: not for a while
co115: w +nothing
Evaugh [3k?\]: W played L4
]
;W[kp]C[elligain [4k\]: en attaquant p6, k13 vivra sans probleme
elh [4d\]: interesting, but scary against Fan Hui
manofearth [?\]: looks late fan still has 2win this game
Rackam [2d\]: m4 ?
suppress [2k\]: seems reasonable
suppress [2k\]: m4 m3 m5 
HappyLook [5d\]: m4 really bad
co115: can w kill something?
zaboomafoo [3k\]: m4 k3
HappyLook [5d\]: zaboomafoo is right. that's one of the options
HappyLook [5d\]: w looks unexpectedly good in this game..
EGC2013a [?\]: Time left - B: 1h29min, W: 1h20min
co115: very good 
herissondu [2d\]: can someone count please?
co115: you can do it
]
;B[jq]C[herissondu [2d\]: not really
Koffein [-\]: 1 2 3
Thumb [3d\]: W+21.5
kjsdjlkd: agreed
co115: ty 
kjsdjlkd: 21.5 is the only score
JEGO [7k\]: ist only the kgs estimate
herissondu [2d\]: trustful
JEGO [7k\]: no
Thumb [3d\]: Well, what's your idea JEGO?
elh [4d\]: N6
manofearth [?\]: oned weak group a piec. w's is heavier
elligain [4k\]: i count w+5, but with more black's potential
herissondu [2d\]: i don't see b's potential
co115: b must die on the right
herissondu [2d\]: that's a good potential
JEGO [7k\]: black +7 in final i presume
co115: could be
Shinichi56 [-\]: p6 greedy?
Rackam [2d\]: may be s8 was not so a good move
minimalist [2k\]: o5 seems ok
Thumb [3d\]: B is ahead by ~5 as a very very rough estimate
JEGO [7k\]: R7 now a white good move
co115: w must be very agressive for win that
minimalist [2k\]: or N6
AhSayuni [4d\]: seems to me that w needs to fix the gap between Q10 and K10
kjsdjlkd: lol r7
co115: w played r7?
JEGO [7k\]: R7 and white cut
kjsdjlkd: yes he is channeling kyus
AhSayuni [4d\]: b doesn't need s8
minimalist [2k\]: maybe not, AhSayuni: q12 r12 q13 r14 q11 r11 
co115: b needs p6 :)
AhSayuni [4d\]: n9 ?
JEGO [7k\]: k4 is also an opportunity for white
Thumb [3d\]: If R7 (I don't see the stream) it's a compromise and a bit of danger for W's center, no?
co115: o7
minimalist [2k\]: w can sacrafice q14 to kill p6
JEGO [7k\]: yes 
JEGO [7k\]: its tru thumb
]
;W[qm]C[co115: omg he played r7
zaboomafoo [3k\]: lol
JEGO [7k\]: so R7
kjsdjlkd: omg
kjsdjlkd: hahaha
co115: omg jego is professional
NiGetO [5k\]: haha
elh [4d\]: this looks uninteresting to me
Thumb [3d\]: Putting the onus on B to make up for these points with an attack
manofearth [?\]: JEGO. r u schizephrenic. how  can w force b 2connect by playing p7 and then cut?
kjsdjlkd: looks like nonsense move
JEGO [7k\]: no fan cannot play s7 now
co115: w is preparing yose i guess
chrayma [7k\]: R5 ?
zaboomafoo [3k\]: is it possible/productive to live on the bottom
manofearth [?\]: so u meant r7, then?
elh [4d\]: next is definitely a center play
kjsdjlkd: so jego what will b do now?
co115: i gote for o7
NiGetO [5k\]: n9?
co115: i vote for o7*
Anquetil [1k\]: r4
JEGO [7k\]: so Fan is studying M4 move now
co115: jego, is some 8dan pm you?
co115: :D
elh [4d\]: R7 is saying "please give me 10 points". Black more than happy to put them in a box with a ribbon
NiGetO [5k\]: n9 ?
co115: s5 still lives
BoSunHac [4d\]: r7 is for base reasons not for territory
Koffein [-\]: so - s8 really paid off
elh [4d\]: N9 looks too close to w's thickness
BoSunHac [4d\]: after r7 black is half settled
JEGO [7k\]: its a bit more complicated you ever imagined
zaboomafoo [3k\]: s7 and live on the bottom seems not so bad
zaboomafoo [3k\]: the center can still be attacked
co115: w is desperate
Madzilla [3d\]: is S7 life?
co115: s7 = 100% life
zaboomafoo [3k\]: seems so if b cuts
elh [4d\]: b could only make one eye in gote there... It doesn't look so important to me
Shinichi56 [-\]: cant see life sorry
Shinichi56 [-\]: i see ponnuki ^^
co115: why not s5?
zaboomafoo [3k\]: s7 q6 q5 q7 r5 p5 lives
Thumb [3d\]: R7 is huge in terms of points, erases the aji, makes life for B on the East a distant prospect at best. But - it's passive as regards the center
Thumb [3d\]: *the aji around R11
co115: thumb, w would play that move if he is ahead and he is not
co115: :p
elh [4d\]: that's what I mean, Thumb. The center is important in this game
samoht [2k\]: not q6 after s7
manofearth [?\]: b might be considering  s5
Thumb [3d\]: Maybe - another way to look at it is it puts him in the territorial lead and B must work to win
samoht [2k\]: s5 and attack all
zaboomafoo [3k\]: s5 s6
zaboomafoo [3k\]: and b still can't cut
]
;B[mp]C[zaboomafoo [3k\]: w*
co115: b took the center control
elh [4d\]: if w O5, what?
co115: then a move like l9 is enough
pourri [4k\]: EGC2013a, what's  the time left please ?
manofearth [?\]: o4 after o5
manofearth [?\]: looks like enf
JEGO [7k\]: N4 is not so far that m4move i qee
co115: w should take h8 for sure now
Thumb [3d\]: M4 played (got he stream now)
co115: its sente and big
]
;W[lp]C[Thumb [3d\]: *t
elh [4d\]: oh, harder still :)
Thumb [3d\]: N3. 
co115: o4
Thumb [3d\]: dangerous for W ?
Koffein [-\]: w wants to kill this group so hard after adding r7?
Thumb [3d\]: N3 nearly pleyd^^
co115: no
Thumb [3d\]: *a
manofearth [?\]: danger beats resignation
kjsdjlkd: r7 was to strengthen r13 group
JEGO [7k\]: N3 now it the move for black
co115: i back soon
manofearth [?\]: n3 the gentleman's move, 4ure
Thumb [3d\]: O4 looks interesting
]
;B[mq]C[JEGO [7k\]: so N4
]
;W[lq]C[manofearth [?\]: not aupposed 2win an important championship with gentlemen's moves
JEGO [7k\]: M2
kjsdjlkd: watch it not be m2
zaboomafoo [3k\]: can't not be m2 :)
co115: remove the not
kjsdjlkd: sure it could
Thumb [3d\]: O4 still ? Frightening
co115: m2 is impossible
]
;B[lr]C[JEGO [7k\]: we will be fixed now
elh [4d\]: w moving all-in to capture P6 safely
]
;W[mr]C[Thus [3d\]: why n2???
Zaagmans [3d\]: still, big loss in corner, and N12 is already there...
zaboomafoo [3k\]: o4 atari
co115: for play n5 
elh [4d\]: you'll see
Thus [3d\]: i'd just n5
JEGO [7k\]: fan has studied this sequence and i saw that 10 moves ahead
]
;B[nr]C[Thus [3d\]: works the same with no sacrifices
kjsdjlkd: lol
]
;W[mo]
;B[np]
;W[no]
;B[oq]C[co115: i like your style JEGO
Thumb [3d\]: The territorial balance switches again  but this way O12 shines
JEGO [7k\]: exactly i saw
FuzzFace [1k\]: when is the final
FuzzFace [1k\]: ?
co115: no idea
co115: is it today
co115: ?
swed [2d?\]: p4 o3 n10!
]
;W[mk]C[zaboomafoo [3k\]: w needs to play some shiny sequens
zaboomafoo [3k\]: p4.
JEGO [7k\]: mitic is brillant now
co115: i don't agree with this black sequenmce
ExplO [1d\]: final is saturday
co115: thx explo
ExplO [1d\]: semi finals are tomorrow
dash [2d\]: it would be nice if the player names were in the title
co115: b is a pro at all, he won't misread that easy
zaboomafoo [3k\]: w dusan, b hui
pourri [4k\]: w: Mitic Dusan and B: Fan Hui
JEGO [7k\]: n9 white make good cash points
co115: i am not sure, b gonna cut w with l9
zaboomafoo [3k\]: p4 seems to remove some bad aji
JEGO [7k\]: but c7 possible reduction black must close now
co115: L9 please
]
;B[qr]C[co115: this bottom is so big?
co115: or just sente
JEGO [7k\]: not in a hurry now
IntheMood [1d\]: might induce something with M5 P5 S4
Sara [5k?\]: why not s3 instead?
elh [4d\]: aims at P5
ftroiset [1k?\]: sente means big
]
;W[oo]C[ftroiset [1k?\]: S3 is cut
co115: yea sente
co115: s3 now
co115: b got like 3 moves in sente in a roll
ftroiset [1k?\]: no, s3 is small now
]
;B[rq]
;W[rp]C[zaboomafoo [3k\]: ?
elh [4d\]: R2 is about 18 points
JEGO [7k\]: not so small
zaboomafoo [3k\]: q12 has been waiting around for a while
Laudia [6k?\]: k5?
herissondu [2d\]: easy win for b
Thumb [3d\]: B's counted, it seems. 
ftroiset [1k?\]: b7
co115: h8 is giant
manofearth [?\]: if it was small then  r2 would have bn small. but b chose it
]
;B[hl]
;W[bl]C[co115: b yose is so hugeness
ftroiset [1k?\]: the sente value were different
zaboomafoo [3k\]: b8 is big
co115: b can ignore that and force some moves against center
co115: my gyess is k7
Thumb [3d\]: L6?
]
;B[bk]
;W[cl]
;B[ck]
;W[jn]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: l9 ?
co115: j8 first
zaboomafoo [3k\]: w still needs a miracle
joh13 [2k\]: b win
]
;B[qf]C[zaboomafoo [3k\]: endgame starting
]
;W[ip]C[co115: nice move
]
;B[iq]C[co115: dejavu?
elh [4d\]: b +8?
]
;W[em]C[co115: t4 too big
elh [4d\]: maybe more, depending on this ko
pancake [-\]: looke like black is comfortably ahead, no?
co115: yes he is.. too many yose moves
zaboomafoo [3k\]: q13?
co115: t4 for the easy win
IntheMood [1d\]: O10 ?
ftroiset [1k?\]: rathert13
ftroiset [1k?\]: t13
elh [4d\]: S13 looks nice
etestes: the winning move is X20
ftroiset [1k?\]: s13 of course
zaboomafoo [3k\]: q13 seems solid
IntheMood [1d\]: is there a need to launch a ko while black is ahead?
ftroiset [1k?\]: but s13 is bigger
elh [4d\]: this ko is not dangerous for b
pancake [-\]: inthemood, he should just keep on playing the biggest moves, and the ko is pretty huge ;)
IntheMood [1d\]: ok
co115: just take some more points at center in sente
co115: then ko :)
ftroiset [1k?\]: this kind of ko is hanamiko, which means good for yose, with no risk
IntheMood [1d\]: that is why i said O10
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;B[nj]C[IntheMood [1d\]: yaouh
IntheMood [1d\]: ^^
co115: good call in the mood
thepaper [2k?\]: s13 is not a ko is it ?
zaboomafoo [3k\]: kudos
grandaure [5k\]: good call
]
;W[nk]C[ftroiset [1k?\]: s13 is a way of ending the ko
elh [4d\]: just for the record, "hanami-ko" is not necessarily related to yose
fada [2k\]: q11
Mitvailer [1d\]: r11 
co115: m10
co115: :D
ftroiset [1k?\]: yes, what I meant is that playing hanami ko secures the yose
co115: for this game *
ftroiset [1k?\]: yes
pourri [4k\]: What about G5 ?
elh [4d\]: ok then :)
joh13 [2k\]: q12
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;B[pg]C[zaboomafoo [3k\]: nice move :)
co115: who is the best professional yoser in the world?
]
;W[rh]
;B[qh]
;W[rg]C[IntheMood [1d\]: R11 was really good i think, nice move mitwailer
]
;B[qi]
;W[ri]C[HappyLook [5d\]: looks like b + 15 already
]
;B[oj]C[centenario [1k\]: but wrong order, actually fan hui started with r12
HappyLook [5d\]: dunno why w decided to exchange...
Zaagmans [3d\]: used to be Park Yeonghun
Zaagmans [3d\]: best yose payer
Amoxi: that makes much more sense, centenario
Zaagmans [3d\]: player*
centenario [1k\]: it was r12 s12 q13
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;W[qj]C[Reym [-\]: yes i agree with centenario
zaboomafoo [3k\]: p9 
]
;B[ok]
;W[ol]C[elh [4d\]: N10
IntheMood [1d\]: j 8 ?
zaboomafoo [3k\]: def n10
isa [3k\]: q12 for white is pretty big no ?
CoffeeTime [3k?\]: lee chang ho is the best for yose
Wang1 [1d\]: wow Dusan win.
stoup [2k\]: L9?
IntheMood [1d\]: if J8 and white N10 black can destroy white territory no?
Krapsman [2k\]: lol ! Wang
elh [4d\]: Q12 big but N10 bigger
Zaagmans [3d\]: Lee was outdone by Park Yeonghun is yose, but maybe someone else is an even better yose player now
]
;B[pl]C[backpack1 [2d\]: i heard park junghwans yose is supposed to be very good
game [8k\]: q7 o8 p7 m9 m8 m10 
Shinichi56 [-\]: o8 ?
Wang1 [1d\]: lee sedol is best for yose.
zaboomafoo [3k\]: trying to get n10 in sente?
kugpiug: lee sedol is a joke in yose
Wang1 [1d\]: haha
elh [4d\]: I see... Q8 is a probe to choose N10 or Q11
kjsdjlkd: yeah what a bad player
kugpiug: Park Yeonghun is surely one of the best yose players in the world.
Reym [-\]: game is over
zaboomafoo [3k\]: nah, it's still playing
manofearth [?\]: have they shaken hands?
zaboomafoo [3k\]: they refused.
Reym [-\]: don't know, it happend fast
EGC2013a [?\]: B + Res
IntheMood [1d\]: weird
Wang1 [1d\]: oh~~~~~~~~
PRosen [2d\]: yeah Fan<3
Shinichi56 [-\]: really??
isa [3k\]: thanks egc2013a and player
chico [3d\]: bravo fan
manofearth [?\]: OK. I wasn't sure how u meant "over", Reym.
isa [3k\]: players*
Reym [-\]: thanks egc!
manofearth [?\]: ditto
GoKlaus [1d?\]: they are discusing the upper left corner joseki
grandaure [5k\]: thanks egc
stoup [2k\]: super 
garance [3k\]: Bravo à Fan et à son adversaire ! Merci à EGC et à tous les bénévoles. 
garance [3k\]: Je n'arrive pas à lire la séquence qui voit Mitic abandonner mais bon, ce n'est pas la première fois. ^^
InsaneC [2k\]: moi non plus
isumi43 [5k\]: Thx Euro
InsaneC [2k\]: whats follow up after white Q7 ?
sandbag [3d\]: m9 i guess
Mollusque [4d\]: anyway b almost 15 points lead here
chico [3d\]: follow up is w lack points...
InsaneC [2k\]: ok thank you :)
Bauer [1d\]: b has cash, w has prospects for eventually getting something
hitaus [3d?\]: Bauer, where would W be getting something? around N16?
Bauer [1d\]: N16 not ideal for w, don't you think so?
hitaus [3d?\]: Bauer, totally not ideal. I was teasing you. Where's that something you were referring to?
hitaus [3d?\]: EGC2013a, how's the time in this game?
floating [2k\]: EGC2013a [?\]: B + Res
BrianH [5k\]: Fan qualify!
flowbender [2k\]: someone know why w played c16 ? (move 30)
flowbender [2k\]: instead of protecting the cut around j15 ?
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