(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[3x60 byo-yomi]
GN[57th European Go Congress, Round 6]PW[Shikshin Ilja]PB[Surma Mateusz]WR[7d]BR[6d]DT[2013-08-05]EV[57th European Go Congress]RO[6]PC[Olsztyn, Poland]US[cehijow]C[Lesmian [1d\]: dzień dobry bracia w gobanie!
kmr [1d\]: wampir zarządzi ^^
Lesmian [1d\]: Tych dwóch graczy oznacza mnóstwo ko, semeai i zabijania uciekających jednookich grup, inaczej być nie może :)
kmr [1d\]: hmm może krwiopijca przygotował jakąś specjalną strategię?
Lesmian [1d\]: zapewne taką: otoczyć i zniszczyć. Dobra jest też ta: ciąć na plasterki
kmr [1d\]: czyli innymi słowy specjalną strategią jest brak specjalnej strategii- może to oznaczać totalne zaskoczenie :P
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;B[dd]
;W[pp]
;B[pc]
;W[cp]
;B[qn]
;W[nq]C[Lesmian [1d\]: tak, obaj gracze będą zdumieni tym, że chcą pozabijać swoje kamienie 
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;B[qh]C[kmr [1d\]: r11
]
;W[eq]C[mmmn: Илья, вперед!
tommyray [2d?\]: W takim tempie zaraz bedzie yose
Nilatarion [3d\]: nie lubię tak solidnie grać białym
kmr [1d\]: obstawiam d10
Weishenme [4d\]: we are entering the yose now
]
;B[jd]C[kmr [1d\]: widzicie? szkoła youtuba przynosi efekty, ludzie już czają nasz język ^^
opoka [2k\]: zainvaduje i przezyje
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;W[cf]
;B[fd]
;W[dj]
;B[rp]
;W[qq]
;B[pl]C[swaggman [3d\]: q8
]
;W[pf]C[swaggman [3d\]: damn
Gorim [1d\]: p15?:P
kmr [1d\]: O16 albo R16 chodzi mi po glowie, a moze C12? sporo opcji ma czarny imho
]
;B[od]C[jakotaki [1d\]: p16 
]
;W[ph]C[kmr [1d\]: phi teraz to ja też wiem :)
jakotaki [1d\]: r11 
kmr [1d\]: Q11 R13 P12 P13 i mamy pierwsze ko :P
TurtleDove [4k?\]: why is defending champion not playing this year ?
kmr [1d\]: dobre pytanie
kmr [1d\]: tylko w zlym jezyku :P
jakotaki [1d\]: pewnie dlatego ze jest zajety
Lesmian [1d\]: moze spadl do 13 kyu i wstyd mu bylo przyjechac
kmr [1d\]: ee tam widać że wciąż ma kgs 6d ^^
]
;B[pi]
;W[qi]C[jakotaki [1d\]: jaki agresor
globax [3d\]: s13
jakotaki [1d\]: white = alpha male
phi [3d\]: black = i will win
nepal999 [1d?\]: s13 is usual move here? i only know r13
Lesmian [1d\]: 20th move and the first cut, that`s good
swaggman [3d\]: s13 usual in this position
nepal999 [1d?\]: what's the idea behind it
jakotaki [1d\]: ladne imie lilia
nepal999 [1d?\]: looks like b might become overconcentrated at the bottom
nepal999 [1d?\]: sorry right
nepal999 [1d?\]: can b play s11 r10 r13?
gisel [3d\]: i think unlikely
]
;B[qg]
;W[pg]C[mmmn: nepal999 [1d?\]: s13 is usual move here? i only know r13 This is mistake only r11
pel [-\]: who are playing? 
]
;B[qj]
;W[ri]
;B[rj]
;W[oi]C[TurtleDove [4k?\]: W Shikshin B Surma
]
;B[pj]C[pel [-\]: thx
klausP [7d?\]: seems nice for w
mmmn: now w have sabaki
klausP [7d?\]: blacks capture is not too usefull here with Q8 in place
sagesse [-\]: couldnt black play p11 instead of r10 ?
nepal999 [1d?\]: b looks overconcentrated
Medriel [1d\]: not really
phi [3d\]: black must be ok
phi [3d\]: white looks heavy
]
;W[qd]C[Lesmian [1d\]: i agree, i do not see sabaki for w here
]
;B[qc]C[klausP [7d?\]: w almost alive
phi [3d\]: Wn13
klausP [7d?\]: no problem for w
phi [3d\]:  n13
]
;W[mg]C[phi [3d\]: :D
phi [3d\]: c8?
]
;B[me]C[nepal999 [1d?\]: all w stones look ok, but q8 looks like b would play it somewhere else
gruenwald [2d\]: n13 nice call
gruenwald [2d\]: thought it was too slow
kmr [1d\]: kurde nie jest dobrze - czarny troche przekoncentrowany, nie da sie ukryc.Gdyby zdjąć q8 to nikt by tego ruchu nie zagrał.Dziwne tylko że bialy nie zagrał r14 i potem s13 może - no chyba że zostawia sobie to na ko
Lesmian [1d\]: nie panikuj :)
Lesmian [1d\]: jest mięso do ścigania
phi [3d\]: duzo ma czarny, bialy nie ma pewnego
Poziom [1d\]: ale jakby zdjąć wcześniej q8 to teraz pewnie by to tak nie wyglądało; \]
kmr [1d\]: nie no, coś tam w zamian ma n15 to fajny ruch teren po jakgdyby 5 linii więc nie za darmo dał się trochę przekoncentrować
phi [3d\]: juz ma 50 punktow Mateusz
globax [3d\]: e14 big
phi [3d\]: c17 bigger
]
;W[jp]C[phi [3d\]: k4 biggest
Gorim [1d\]: e5 now
phi [3d\]: c8
Poziom [1d\]: a ja nie wiem co
Poziom [1d\]: może zaatakuje to coś w prawym górnym?
phi [3d\]: b16 zagra:P
phi [3d\]: przejal styl of fan huiego
kmr [1d\]: b16 raczej nie, jak już to inwazję w c12 raczej
mmmn: e5 dangerously
phi [3d\]: c8
phi [3d\]: c5
phi [3d\]: when is r14 big?
]
;B[el]C[mihi [6d?\]: game is kinda over
phi [3d\]: how much black ahead?
TurtleDove [4k?\]: who won ?
SanekFree [3k\]: W
]
;W[dl]C[Poziom [1d\]: B
gruenwald [2d\]: game still open
WVoron [5d\]: I
WVoron [5d\]: won
gisel [3d\]: I didnt like e8, I dont see how black gets goodresult here
phi [3d\]: black has a lot of cash, he need something for influences
phi [3d\]: e8 is played for good balance
gruenwald [2d\]: e8 keeps maybe the option to invade the bottom also?
gisel [3d\]: but it gives white lot of cash if black continues with e7, also destroys aji at c12
gisel [3d\]: and if black d7 here, crosscut is very dangerous
kmr [1d\]: black have lot of cash, but white have some too
UrriS [5k\]: b still hasn't cash on top
nepal999 [1d?\]: e5 seems the standard invasion in this positino. can anyone make good argument for e8?
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;B[ho]C[gruenwald [2d\]: ooh
jakotaki [1d\]: h3 !
gisel [3d\]: yeah, I agree with nepal, e5 would be better
gruenwald [2d\]: maybe some magic will happen
caglar [2k\]: is b happy?
kmr [1d\]: h4 would be funu
gruenwald [2d\]: gisel; e5 still open
kmr [1d\]: funny*
]
;W[em]
;B[hq]C[kmr [1d\]: wow fast
gisel [3d\]: e5 is still open, but with e8 and d8 its whole different story
nepal999 [1d?\]: hey, i dont know if e5 is better than e8, just that e5 is the standard move so b must have a special reason to play e8
phi [3d\]: now game is about e8
gruenwald [2d\]: agreed
gisel [3d\]: e5 instead of e8 would be fine I think
phi [3d\]: black got nice shape on bottom
phi [3d\]: still aji at b3\\4
]
;W[gp]C[kmr [1d\]: Mihi you said game is kinda over - so who won?
jakotaki [1d\]: W
nepal999 [1d?\]: i would never think to peep in this position
mihi [6d?\]: I think white...I don't see how b can come back
gisel [3d\]: its common sense, make opponent heavy before chasing him :)
phi [3d\]: g4 look kyuish
kmr [1d\]: h4 h7
mihi [6d?\]: bottom is still open so not so many points for black
nepal999 [1d?\]: heavy.... but stronger
swaggman [3d\]: h4 h7 k2
swaggman [3d\]: not stronger
swaggman [3d\]: G4 reduces possibilities of making an eye with F5 or E5 or E4
kmr [1d\]: h4 h7 k2 e14
mihi [6d?\]: sorry...I mean top is still open
phi [3d\]: d7 will star fun fight
nepal999 [1d?\]: after h4 b has moves like k3/l2 that didnt work as well before so it helps with eyes on the right
mihi [6d?\]: b is overconcentrate on right side 
]
;B[hp]C[gisel [3d\]: yeah, black came off bit worse after opening, and now its hard on him
phi [3d\]: i like b position
gisel [3d\]: if he doesnt use a bit of his korean magic, I dont see him winning
nepal999 [1d?\]: i like w :)
phi [3d\]: i like white too
]
;W[jq]C[phi [3d\]: i like both
swaggman [3d\]: see, b doesn't have move like K3 or k2 now
swaggman [3d\]: only 3 heavy and attackable stones
phi [3d\]: white k3 is the move people says its too slow
gisel [3d\]: who said it?
Poziom [1d\]: a mi się k3 bardzo podoba; \]
tommyray [2d?\]: and white has weak group too so it is even
phi [3d\]: peoples
swaggman [3d\]: k3 is kinda only mvoe bro
]
;B[jn]C[gisel [3d\]: they're bad peoples then :P
nepal999 [1d?\]: maybe this makes d7 aji more difficult for w, because h5 stones are heavy and cant be lost
phi [3d\]: very bad peoples
]
;W[pn]C[tommyray [2d?\]: obaj grają na wybadanie przeciwnika
phi [3d\]: tenuki teraz
]
;B[pm]C[gisel [3d\]: hmm, this is shape I'd think ilya likes to cut
swaggman [3d\]: can't cut
kmr [1d\]: thanx to e8 white cant cut at j6
TurtleDove [4k?\]: not enough dead stones, please start a fight :D
gisel [3d\]: not j6, j5
nepal999 [1d?\]: j5 h6?
kmr [1d\]: j5 is very very bad style
swaggman [3d\]: yes but can't cut
phi [3d\]: how much is r14 move?
phi [3d\]: r14 is biggest yose move possible?:P
Test123 [2d\]: r14 r15 
phi [3d\]: ah
gisel [3d\]: Ill go grab some coffe and food, hope the game doesnt end while Im gone ;)
phi [3d\]: black has still some invasion options like b4 orc12 
phi [3d\]: b16 is big move now too
phi [3d\]: or c17 for white
phi [3d\]: W h7?
phi [3d\]: W e9:)
]
;W[hn]C[phi [3d\]: this looks like an overplay
nepal999 [1d?\]: no one expects the spanish inquisition
UrriS [5k\]: w hentai ^^
phi [3d\]: yeah
swaggman [3d\]: eh
swaggman [3d\]: ajikeshi?
phi [3d\]: k2:P
nepal999 [1d?\]: this looks like the j5 cut that b could dodge with h6
jakotaki [1d\]: :P
kmr [1d\]: h6 to jakieś wariactwo
nepal999 [1d?\]: so w is asking b to make bad shape or be cut
swaggman [3d\]: y but his doesn't cut
swaggman [3d\]: nonsense
phi [3d\]: h6 is kyuish
nepal999 [1d?\]: b going to play j5?
jakotaki [1d\]: killing move
swaggman [3d\]: 30k or 9p
nepal999 [1d?\]: then g5 is a nice move
phi [3d\]: black is laughing now
]
;B[gn]C[phi [3d\]: so nervous:P
kmr [1d\]: its not good idea to laugh before sunset
]
;W[io]C[phi [3d\]: white helped black
swaggman [3d\]: h7
nepal999 [1d?\]: i disagree. b got himself into a fight where w is strong
hfdtd [1d\]: i think so too
phi [3d\]: black needs a fun from playing too
gruenwald [2d\]: well n had to invade
gruenwald [2d\]: *b
phi [3d\]: black wants action
jakotaki [1d\]: surrounding, good go tutorial  
swaggman [3d\]: there's no problem this b's invasion
hfdtd [1d\]: black will have a hard fight
phi [3d\]: black is a killer
phi [3d\]: d7 now
phi [3d\]: kill everything white stones
phi [3d\]: l4
Gorim [1d\]: this one sided trolling got boring after the first days of the first week:P
jsnd [3k\]: w dies with d7?
phi [3d\]: yes
Gorim [1d\]: he can defend at a1
phi [3d\]: w into big troubles here
jsnd [3k\]: a1 shape
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;B[en]C[jakotaki [1d\]: g5 !
phi [3d\]: black dominating
phi [3d\]: all board control
SImikin [1k\]: lol
Lesmian [1d\]: this h6 g6 j5 exchange seems in favour of white to me but i like your optimism :)
gererer: phi, you take your dreams for reality
swaggman [3d\]: g5 d7 f7 g7 f8 j6 
pivoglotov [6k?\]: you are watching another game phi?
jakotaki [1d\]: keep surrounding me white
pivoglotov [6k?\]: )
phi [3d\]: white down left shimri in dnager
phi [3d\]: shimari in danger
nepal999 [1d?\]: i thought h6 was a pretty special move
nepal999 [1d?\]: cause the 2 normal moves, j5&j6 didnt work
phi [3d\]: w cant cut g5 so early
jakotaki [1d\]: e5 ?
phi [3d\]: W consider resigning  here?
Nilatarion [3d\]: no:)
phi [3d\]: he is total outplayed here
TurtleDove [4k?\]: W d6 seems solid; keep presssure on B to survive
phi [3d\]: W no move
Lesmian [1d\]: d7 even more pressure
phi [3d\]: invincible shape by black already
globax [3d\]: f8-e9-g7
phi [3d\]: no white move works
phi [3d\]: tenuki will be also bad
nuBO [1k\]: фи - известный тролль?
nepal999 [1d?\]: phi's been in the sun too long :)
]
;W[dm]C[Lesmian [1d\]: yeah, much too long
swaggman [3d\]: h7 j6 g5 
]
;B[fp]C[phi [3d\]: great move by black!
swaggman [3d\]: oh my god oh my god
Poziom [1d\]: to jest prawdziwy kibic:)
jakotaki [1d\]: fap fap
]
;W[hm]C[phi [3d\]: f3
nepal999 [1d?\]: maybe g7 first?
]
;B[fq]
;W[er]
;B[gl]C[phi [3d\]: f3 is some kind of  "i win"
phi [3d\]: w should consider esignation right now
Trumelunki [3d\]: f3 some kind of gotta make some eye at least
phi [3d\]: j6 big aji
]
;W[hk]C[phi [3d\]: d4
nepal999 [1d?\]: d4 e4 d5 e5 d6 f6?
phi [3d\]: wrong
Medriel [1d\]: d4 e4 d6
phi [3d\]: poor white
phi [3d\]: lost in fuseki
]
;B[gk]
;W[gm]
;B[fm]
;W[ek]
;B[fl]C[WVoron [5d\]: poor white?
]
;W[hj]C[WVoron [5d\]: lol?
SImikin [1k\]: jn lol
jsnd [3k\]: roln would resign if he won in fuseki 
nepal999 [1d?\]: phi appears to be lost in the fuseki of his thoughts on this game :)
Gorim [1d\]: there is a possibility to block an user, works great check it out;)
nepal999 [1d?\]: by the way medriel, d6 is a nice move after d4 and e4
]
;B[dp]C[phi [3d\]: yeah
donkisot [7d?\]: i definitely prefer white here 
nepal999 [1d?\]: so w must c3 :)
phi [3d\]: perfect play by black again and again
WVoron [5d\]: perfect but he will lose
WVoron [5d\]: d5
]
;W[do]C[WVoron [5d\]: easy
donkisot [7d?\]: how to live? 
WVoron [5d\]: giving two stones take 5
WVoron [5d\]: if black want
]
;B[dq]C[WVoron [5d\]: try run may be
WVoron [5d\]: no
]
;W[ep]
;B[eo]C[phi [3d\]: very very very good resu.lt for black now
swaggman [3d\]: ah?
swaggman [3d\]: w isn't so bad
]
;W[dn]C[phi [3d\]: white was too optimistic here
swaggman [3d\]: huge left side and central potential
WVoron [5d\]: as i said
]
;B[fr]
;W[dr]C[WVoron [5d\]: can take two stones w takes 5
WVoron [5d\]: now w good cash
phi [3d\]: white failed
swaggman [3d\]: phi this result is ok for w
WVoron [5d\]: black still not alive
swaggman [3d\]: wake up
Lesmian [1d\]: black still does not have eyes
gruenwald [2d\]: j2 lives for sure
Lesmian [1d\]: phi has as difficult job as nazi propaganda after Stalingrad had. 
phi [3d\]: white was too greedy
donkisot [7d?\]: nice trolling :) 
WVoron [5d\]: ))
nepal999 [1d?\]: i like phi, brings a smile
Lesmian [1d\]: yup :)
donkisot [7d?\]: yep me too 
phi [3d\]: i love you too
donkisot [7d?\]: white slightly ahead imo, but still almost even 
SImikin [1k\]: i like w in this game, sry :/
]
;B[ir]C[KiraLNear [3d\]: :D
gruenwald [2d\]: Surma has been insei no?
urtok [8k\]: m3 black
]
;W[jr]C[phi [3d\]: j2 is big yose
SImikin [1k\]: lol
urtok [8k\]: c12 black
WVoron [5d\]: c15
phi [3d\]: h8
]
;B[js]C[SImikin [1k\]: w c17 better yose :D
phi [3d\]: white wall very weak
WVoron [5d\]: its not a wall lol
nepal999 [1d?\]: so w about 35 on the left and 20 bottom. b has 20 right and 45/50 top?
donkisot [7d?\]: now alive, probably white tenuki
nepal999 [1d?\]: k1 looks small, c17
WVoron [5d\]: 50 top???wow nepal
phi [3d\]: k1 is gigantic
mihi [6d?\]: w has 35 on left ,20 on bottom and will make 15 ore more in the centre 
WVoron [5d\]: are you a finansist?
gruenwald [2d\]: if w does not tenuki, he feels ahead a lot?
SImikin [1k\]: in which universe phi?
swaggman [3d\]: b has 20 on top
donkisot [7d?\]: b16 shining 
mihi [6d?\]: b has 20 on right and maybe 30 on top 
TurtleDove [4k?\]: B can't keep all of the top with stones on 4th ?
phi [3d\]: in short, black is better
donkisot [7d?\]: for black 
mihi [6d?\]: but no more than 60 for black
donkisot [7d?\]: c17 is my guess 
WVoron [5d\]: c17
WVoron [5d\]: now
phi [3d\]: c17 is big
mihi [6d?\]: H17 
nepal999 [1d?\]: how would you count the top wvoron?
phi [3d\]: u are good players both
WVoron [5d\]: its open lol
phi [3d\]: k1 is sente
WVoron [5d\]: how can i count?
WVoron [5d\]: right top is black
WVoron [5d\]: other no
myspeed [1k\]: i think the left side is secure teritory for W, but upper side is not sure yet for black
donkisot [7d?\]: l1 j1 l2 also possible 
donkisot [7d?\]: but then b16 would be huge 
]
;W[hs]
;B[gs]C[donkisot [7d?\]: h1 tesuji? i have no idea 
TurtleDove [4k?\]: W m16 m15 h16 maybe
phi [3d\]: white desperate
WVoron [5d\]: want protect n2 points
G0ldtree [3k?\]: :)
donkisot [7d?\]: j1 h2 j1?
WVoron [5d\]: in sente
]
;W[is]
;B[hr]C[donkisot [7d?\]: risky... still weakness at h8 
]
;W[fn]
;B[fo]C[profan [-\]: who won yesterday shikshin or dinerstein?
]
;W[is]C[WVoron [5d\]: j1
WVoron [5d\]: so as i said
donkisot [7d?\]: black may resist
Xebo [4d\]: very nice sequence
Weishenme [4d\]: but F6 followed by F1 was more severe no ?
TurtleDove [4k?\]: shikshin won against Fan Hui and Dinerstein in the weekend tourney
WVoron [5d\]: yes
Weishenme [4d\]: H1 was strange
]
;B[mi]C[KiraLNear [3d\]: N11 so cool
WVoron [5d\]: wow
KiraLNear [3d\]: black thinks H8 has enough aji
donkisot [7d?\]: ladder breaker 
WVoron [5d\]: so h8 org10 sente
WVoron [5d\]: for w
Weishenme [4d\]: pure provocation :)
donkisot [7d?\]: probably 
]
;W[gj]
;B[gq]C[WVoron [5d\]: r14?
phi [3d\]: grat invasion byblack overall
phi [3d\]: perfet timing
donkisot [7d?\]: black cannot be proud of this result 
Xebo [4d\]: quit it phi - its boring
Poziom [1d\]: a daj pan juz spokój; \]
Trumelunki [3d\]: what? this feels very good for white
swaggman [3d\]: p10
Weishenme [4d\]: r14 lookds natural yes
Trumelunki [3d\]: white lost pretty much nothing, and black totally surrounded
donkisot [7d?\]: this is kind of result that i have in my games, interesting to see in this level 
]
;W[nj]
;B[mj]
;W[mk]
;B[lk]
;W[nk]C[donkisot [7d?\]: this is what white wants... fight everywhere 
]
;B[ll]C[WVoron [5d\]: yes
]
;W[kj]C[TurtleDove [4k?\]: we want that too
donkisot [7d?\]: lets see some blood 
SImikin [1k\]: w cant lose this :(
]
;B[lj]
;W[nm]C[WVoron [5d\]: 012?
WVoron [5d\]: no
phi [3d\]: white played to many dame moves
phi [3d\]: j6 aji
]
;B[ni]C[phi [3d\]: black is much better in fighting
donkisot [7d?\]: go black go, kill white 
WVoron [5d\]: really phi?
phi [3d\]: no kidding man
WVoron [5d\]: you hate w or what?
phi [3d\]: this is serious things
WVoron [5d\]: lol
phi [3d\]: white is very good player
phi [3d\]: but black is too good
Poziom [1d\]: może nawet będzie trupek jakimś cudem ale bym się cieszył ale nie liczę na to;)
kmr [1d\]: WVoron they dont hate white, they just love black too much 
kmr [1d\]: its blood related thing
kmr [1d\]: they just cant resist it
phi [3d\]: white is playing dame
qay: phi is playing the Chopin A-major Polonaise, let's wait if it ends in the C-minor.
TurtleDove [4k?\]: B is about 18 yo ?
Bjondro [8k\]: 16-17?
gisel [3d\]: 14-15?
]
;W[mf]C[phi [3d\]:  W in big troubles now
EGC2013c [?\]: TurtieDove: 17
TurtleDove [4k?\]: ah, thanks
tuquedenne [4d\]: I don't see why White would be in big troubles
tuquedenne [4d\]: in term of points it looks like a close game
swaggman [3d\]: ah, so young
swaggman [3d\]: so cute
phi [3d\]: u need to read deep
]
;B[oj]C[swaggman [3d\]: p10?
swaggman [3d\]: eh
phi [3d\]: perfect result for black now
swaggman [3d\]: play slower please
WVoron [5d\]: where is perfect?
donkisot [7d?\]: black is quite young and strong, bu t white is ilya
phi [3d\]: all board thinking
hma [4k\]: why didn't white connect 
hma [4k\]: earlier
phi [3d\]: white nee d to be risky he has not unuf points
]
;W[le]C[TurtleDove [4k?\]: for this
]
;B[ld]C[phi [3d\]: W misrt
phi [3d\]: misread all here
]
;W[ke]C[phi [3d\]: black secured safe cash now
tuquedenne [4d\]: it's funny but finally a bit annoying you know :)
]
;B[kd]C[henryy07 [2k\]: not a bit;\]
kmr [1d\]: n10 group in danger
phi [3d\]: b18 / c17 big now
Spac3 [13k\]: c17 still possible?
]
;W[he]C[JonSnow [4d\]: n10 connected
phi [3d\]: white overvalued centre
donkisot [7d?\]: h16 and try to live :) would be fun 
tuquedenne [4d\]: white's plan is to reduce in sente then play C17 I'd say
kmr [1d\]: ah n10 connected i c.So black no weak groups now
phi [3d\]: j14?
]
;B[je]
;W[ne]
;B[md]C[phi [3d\]: white failed again here
gisel [3d\]: nice troll-kibitz phi
TurtleDove [4k?\]: h17 so tempting
]
;W[qf]
;B[rh]C[gruenwald [2d\]: h17 l13 and w in problems
]
;W[oh]
;B[kg]C[phi [3d\]: wonderful result for black 
samowar [1d\]: o8 should work as well
]
;W[lh]C[klausP [7d?\]: whats wonderfull here ?
WVoron [5d\]: yes what?
klausP [7d?\]: m8 in danger now
gisel [3d\]: klaus, dont mind him, hes on drugs
gruenwald [2d\]: does n7 work?
WVoron [5d\]: soon o8
klausP [7d?\]: lol
kmr [1d\]: Phi's faith in black is most impressive thing in this kibitz
globax [3d\]: 11 before o8 ?
WVoron [5d\]: if w get n7 its over
globax [3d\]: L11*
klausP [7d?\]: ah right o8 captures
Lesmian [1d\]: B+Φ
gruenwald [2d\]: b o8 or b n7 better?
globax [3d\]: so o8 first
globax [3d\]: then w k14
phi [3d\]: n7
WVoron [5d\]: if black o8 w l12 
KiraLNear [3d\]: black wants L12
]
;B[kh]
;W[ki]C[gruenwald [2d\]: l12 forcing first is possible
]
;B[nl]
;W[hc]C[WVoron [5d\]: oooo
WVoron [5d\]: so m11 cut?
gruenwald [2d\]: m11 does not kill, does it?
WVoron [5d\]: then w live?
WVoron [5d\]: p13 eye
gruenwald [2d\]: m11 s15 
Poziom [1d\]: m11 s13
WVoron [5d\]: second after s13
urtok [8k\]: h17 is big
Namaskar [2k\]: w ahead
WVoron [5d\]: i think not easy ahead
phi [3d\]: b18
Namaskar [2k\]: just a bit...
Namaskar [2k\]: the komi are the issue
TurtleDove [4k?\]: there may be trouble ...
klausP [7d?\]: m11 s13 take s15 ok for w
phi [3d\]: f14
nepal999 [1d?\]: lives without ko?
daveminion [?\]: I don't think w is alive yet
phi [3d\]: g14
]
;B[li]C[nepal999 [1d?\]: we wont have long to find out
daveminion [?\]: if w s13\\
]
;W[rg]
;B[si]C[WVoron [5d\]: p13 no eye
]
;W[re]C[phi [3d\]: bomner tesuji
]
;B[rc]C[WVoron [5d\]: p15
]
;W[oe]
;B[pd]C[WVoron [5d\]: alive
tuquedenne [4d\]: 100% ?
globax [3d\]: ko ?
klausP [7d?\]: hmhmhmhm
tuquedenne [4d\]: looks like a ko to me
]
;W[sg]C[WVoron [5d\]: lol
globax [3d\]: dead !
tuquedenne [4d\]: T15 ??
Engraze [1k\]: t15 t16
nepal999 [1d?\]: no
tuquedenne [4d\]: then S16
nepal999 [1d?\]: t15 s 16
Engraze [1k\]: s*
WVoron [5d\]: t15
globax [3d\]: ok, alive
WVoron [5d\]: s16
tuquedenne [4d\]: oh yes :)
klausP [7d?\]: s16 t15
globax [3d\]: d14 then ?
]
;B[rd]C[nepal999 [1d?\]: it's alive
globax [3d\]: losing ko threat ?
WVoron [5d\]: ?
]
;W[se]
;B[qe]
;W[ng]C[donkisot [7d?\]: planning to sacrifice l13 soon? 
globax [3d\]: b lost 2 threats and n12, i can't understand
phi [3d\]: d14
urtok [8k\]: f14 black
urtok [8k\]: or m6 black
]
;B[rf]C[WVoron [5d\]: loool
]
;W[if]C[globax [3d\]: so early to gt a few points
MooDoGo [3k\]: black got points in the corner + sente?!
MooDoGo [3k\]: and o9
tuquedenne [4d\]: "got sente" : he had sente before it you know :)
globax [3d\]: but he could much later
Xebo [4d\]: I really wonder why black played those moves
Backflash [6k?\]: what is o9? 6 pts?
Xebo [4d\]: its not like they were running away
nepal999 [1d?\]: 6 points and safe group
MooDoGo [3k\]: h17/o16/o17 aji is gone
gruenwald [2d\]: k14 p14 
MooDoGo [3k\]: cashing the corner is fine
Xebo [4d\]: cashing the corner? what are you talking about?
]
;B[ih]C[MooDoGo [3k\]: s17
syvers [3k\]: k14
Backflash [6k?\]: feels like  f14 missing there
Backflash [6k?\]: from fuseki times
WVoron [5d\]: p14
WVoron [5d\]: h13 may be
WVoron [5d\]: this need really good count
WVoron [5d\]: cos one miss and over
syvers [3k\]: yeah
]
;W[lm]C[WVoron [5d\]: wow
WVoron [5d\]: some help to l10
WVoron [5d\]: this stone
TurtleDove [4k?\]: I love the way 7d find ways instead of p14
Backflash [6k?\]: its nice yose, but how it helps l10?
Trumelunki [3d\]: if black tries to kill it's semeai between n10 and p12 sones
MooDoGo [3k\]: isn't the goal L12?
Backflash [6k?\]: yea, if b chooses to p14 now?
Backflash [6k?\]: but will he?
pivoglotov [6k?\]: .
MooDoGo [3k\]: and d16/f16?
MooDoGo [3k\]: cut k14
Trumelunki [3d\]: I think the move here tries mainly to build the lower area a little
WVoron [5d\]: if no m7 k10 catch
Trumelunki [3d\]: just a forcing move
TurtleDove [4k?\]: p14 n8 presumably
Trumelunki [3d\]: black is thinking that maybe white is bluffing
WVoron [5d\]: or near that
urtok [8k\]: n8 white
Backflash [6k?\]: p6 is nasty aji
Backflash [6k?\]: late game*
MooDoGo [3k\]: b k14; w n8; p14; k8?!
Backflash [6k?\]: why p14? k10?
Backflash [6k?\]: ah
lockhart [5d?\]: whos playing?
Backflash [6k?\]: shikshin w and surma b
lockhart [5d?\]: thx
syvers [3k\]: it is very hard to read but perhaps white is really bluffing
Gorim [1d\]: I spent some time editing and think p14 can work
Gorim [1d\]: but obviously my opinion isn't worth much
Mitani92 [3d\]: i think j12 was a mistake
WVoron [5d\]: no
WVoron [5d\]: i like j12
nepal999 [1d?\]: what's your first move after n8?
Mitani92 [3d\]: i don't :P
MooDoGo [3k\]: any input / line of tought is welcome
Mitani92 [3d\]: but i'm not confident about l13 living in the near future
]
;B[of]C[Backflash [6k?\]: game is ON!
hma [4k\]: yes
TurtleDove [4k?\]: whoa
tuquedenne [4d\]: a bit of fun
]
;W[ml]
;B[km]C[Kanin [6d\]: wow
gisel [3d\]: thats hardcore
Mollusque [4d\]: j11 ?
gisel [3d\]: this is Sparta!!!
Kanin [6d\]: k9
Backflash [6k?\]: b2 bomber shall be hit by russian AA gun!
Kanin [6d\]: I think B should jump to k9 before this hane?
tommyray [2d?\]: chyba zły wybór...
Lesmian [1d\]: gods below will help black, i can`t see other way to kill white
MooDoGo [3k\]: egc is Surma Mateusz in byoyomi?
Lesmian [1d\]: mnie też się wydaje zły
Backflash [6k?\]: its not 1500 yet
donkisot [7d?\]: go mateusz kill them all 
Backflash [6k?\]: id say both ahve about 30 mins
Lesmian [1d\]: własnie dlatego jest nadzieja
nepal999 [1d?\]: donkisot=phi :)
donkisot [7d?\]: phi is my trolling account 
Backflash [6k?\]: and donkisot isnt?
pivoglotov [6k?\]: black b2 bomber not bad, but not today )
off [2k\]: is there a stream?
pivoglotov [6k?\]: yes
Backflash [6k?\]: yea but not players on it sut board
Backflash [6k?\]: just*
off [2k\]: ah ok...
donkisot [7d?\]: white has 5 liberties right? 
Backflash [6k?\]: 7?
pivoglotov [6k?\]: http://egc2013.go.art.pl/page/live
EGC2013c [?\]: w 1h15'' b 57''
off [2k\]: thank you
pivoglotov [6k?\]: thx egc
gisel [3d\]: w 7 libs i think
Weishenme [4d\]: J11
MooDoGo [3k\]: thx
MooDoGo [3k\]: w k8?!
Bjondro [8k\]: no
nepal999 [1d?\]: i think i count 6
FuzzFace [1k\]: w resigned
gererer: lol Fuzz, not white style
KiraLNear [3d\]: where is phi now? I started to like him :)
fuzhou [5d\]: what about m6 k9 j11 h8 k14 ?
Gorim [1d\]: after white m6 k10 captures
Gorim [1d\]: maybe not
Gorim [1d\]: :P
TurtleDove [4k?\]: I looked at some k14 lines trying to capture L13. might work
nepal999 [1d?\]: i think maybe so gorin
Gorim [1d\]: after k10 white can escape with k9 I'm afraid
nepal999 [1d?\]: ah, maybe not
Bjondro [8k\]: then k11
Bjondro [8k\]: and j9
sharkL [1k\]: k9,m6,n7,l8,k14
gisel [3d\]: if this works for black, then its killer game
gisel [3d\]: I dont know when I last saw any move Ilya had to think so much
Backflash [6k?\]: l9?
jakotaki [1d\]: play
mmmn: m6
]
;W[pe]C[jakotaki [1d\]: o0
Backflash [6k?\]: ooookaaaay...
Backflash [6k?\]: got  to close
MooDoGo [3k\]: amazing
]
;B[ln]C[jakotaki [1d\]: q15 - I just gave up
]
;W[mm]C[Backflash [6k?\]: free m6 though, the hell?
gisel [3d\]: m14 now? and leave ko for future?
Backflash [6k?\]: cant leave the ko my guess
Backflash [6k?\]: to big of a ko
nepal999 [1d?\]: no, m11 stones more important surely
MooDoGo [3k\]: black aims at h8?!
fekand4 [1d\]: n6?
MooDoGo [3k\]: p6/o5
gisel [3d\]: better leave ko than die
jakotaki [1d\]: m14 won't help m9 group
donkisot [7d?\]: q15 increases the liberties 
]
;B[lg]C[donkisot [7d?\]: without that white had 5 liberties 
MooDoGo [3k\]: the right side is in fire
gisel [3d\]: m14 will save l13 group, and m9 have lots of libs
]
;W[mh]
;B[lf]C[gisel [3d\]: see? told ya :D
Gorim [1d\]: okay ilia just play the ko and resign
Poziom [1d\]: też tak myślę;)
Backflash [6k?\]: and b resign , that what you meant?
Gorim [1d\]: black can get anything he want for that ko
Backflash [6k?\]: things is nothing to get
Kanin [6d\]: black seems better
Poziom [1d\]: może h17 zabić
Backflash [6k?\]: maybe that. yea:)
Lesmian [1d\]: ale powinien też przeżyć tą kluską w m10
Poziom [1d\]: j8 daje życie
Poziom [1d\]: tak mi się wydaje przynajmniej; \]
Poziom [1d\]: najlepiej byłoby zabić białego;)
Lesmian [1d\]: Bialy pewnie przezyje w ko, ale cos odda
pivoglotov [6k?\]: /
LupusEst [3k\]: to ko or not to ko that is the question
Backflash [6k?\]: it is not even a question, question is who gets more out of it in the end
samowar [1d\]: maybe k8 or sth first
Backflash [6k?\]: ideal scenario - b messes up closes ko and w eats whole d16
Namaskar [2k\]: isn't that a bad ko for w?
mmmn: l5
kmr [1d\]: white risk very much in this ko, but black invested sth to get it
WVoron [5d\]: k8
Namaskar [2k\]: ah.., i c   thx
WVoron [5d\]: j14 was mistake
Namaskar [2k\]: scary way of playing for w
Lesmian [1d\]: i do not see any other way than k8 l8 then ko
Backflash [6k?\]: maybe first ko and then k8 as a threat?
Thus [3d\]: k8 is a ko threat
mmmn: b l5 -wk8-bj9
Blair [4k\]: why not keeping k8 as a ko threat ?
samowar [1d\]: k8 seems to be a vital point here, i wouldn't start the ko without it
WVoron [5d\]: yes
mmmn: no ko
Lesmian [1d\]: me too 
Thus [3d\]: i'd go n5/o5
Thus [3d\]: depends how many ko threats each gives black
gisel [3d\]: egc, how much time does both players have?
samowar [1d\]: but i'm a blitz player so i know nothing:-)
nepal999 [1d?\]: does w win the liberty race if you n5/o5 and b connects the ko?
mmmn: b m13 mistake
Thus [3d\]: ah right, well, he better win it ><
Thus [3d\]: though he better not for im up for mateusz!
mmmn: now b k10 no work
nepal999 [1d?\]: then w 5 liberties and b 7?
Bjondro [8k\]: now w moves
Thus [3d\]: n5 possible
gruenwald [2d\]: hard to read out
gruenwald [2d\]: I see w ok. but so unsure
TurtleDove [4k?\]: seems to take B 8 moves to capture o13
mmmn: wl6-k8-j9
Backflash [6k?\]: l6l5
samowar [1d\]: did you guys read h8 for b?
Backflash [6k?\]: h8 is something for the later my guess
nepal999 [1d?\]: this might be a good time to k9 for w
fekand4 [1d\]: let's ko!
mmmn: only l5? no rj
mmmn: no ko
gluiwiya [4k\]: w may resign before b h8
]
;W[jk]C[jakotaki [1d\]: useless
Mate8p [2k\]: gg
gisel [3d\]: k8 now?
Gorim [1d\]: i think so
]
;B[kl]
;W[ko]
;B[kn]C[samowar [1d\]: h8 j8 j7 j6 j9 k7 k8 j7 k11 was what i had in mind
swaggman [3d\]: KILL
gisel [3d\]: curioser and curioser
samowar [1d\]: but probably there was no time to play it, haha:-)
Thus [3d\]: n5 doesn't work now
Thus [3d\]: has to play the ko
Thus [3d\]: i mean even if it was a net
]
;W[mn]C[Backflash [6k?\]: hey me move!
Backflash [6k?\]: w is doomed...
nepal999 [1d?\]: loose ladder, i like it
]
;B[lo]C[gisel [3d\]: m3 ?
]
;W[lp]C[nepal999 [1d?\]: so b 6 liberties
samowar [1d\]: j6 aji might sting a little
nepal999 [1d?\]: w also 6 and the ko?
andreiraz [3k\]: h8 ?
nepal999 [1d?\]: and the shared one thats bad for b
Poziom [1d\]: obawiam się, że biały wygrywa
Backflash [6k?\]: isnt w has less libs now?
gisel [3d\]: no, b has less
klemens [1d\]: T16?
copyright [3d\]: W +
donkisot [7d?\]: t16 seems ok 
fekand4 [1d\]: r16?
nepal999 [1d?\]: i count w 6 if he ignores the ko and b7
donkisot [7d?\]: one eye beat no eye 
gruenwald [2d\]: so its a ko
mmmn: semiai w win mome in mone
donkisot [7d?\]: it is a ko and black has local threats 
Hobbes [2k\]: what.happened.to.phy?
nepal999 [1d?\]: but many of his threats will cost liberties
mmmn: semiai w win move in move
Mollusque [4d\]: he is talking about t12 local threat for b
Mollusque [4d\]: t16 r16 t12 t14 r15 
Blair [4k\]: n5 local threat for b
andreiraz [3k\]: r16 n5 o12 j6 o14 ?
Poziom [1d\]: n4
Mollusque [4d\]: i guess this is the right time to play the ko
]
;B[mo]
;W[no]
;B[mp]
;W[mq]
;B[np]
;W[op]
;B[oo]C[Thus [3d\]: ???
donkisot [7d?\]: wow 
Mollusque [4d\]: Oo
]
;W[po]C[samowar [1d\]: :/
Mollusque [4d\]: i hope b has read it out
samowar [1d\]: b lost one lib here
donkisot [7d?\]: lost so many ko threats 
Thus [3d\]: didn't lose libs
Thus [3d\]: but threats
]
;B[jo]C[SanekFree [3k\]: p7 
gruenwald [2d\]: lost no lib but thretas
Thus [3d\]: now he lost libs
donkisot [7d?\]: :)
GetStrong [2d\]: xD
Thus [3d\]: j6 
nepal999 [1d?\]: he lost n5 lib
samowar [1d\]: he lost 1 lib my good friend
]
;W[in]C[gisel [3d\]: this seems hopeless
donkisot [7d?\]: black is quite strong in reading 
mmmn: j6
]
;B[ip]C[slender [2d\]: b win
samowar [1d\]: wow
gruenwald [2d\]: b m3 next
andreiraz [3k\]: good job b
Poziom [1d\]: ko
tuquedenne [4d\]: well done :)
Ysu [9k\]: (h8 j8 j6 j7 k5  не лучше ли было вместо k5 
]
;W[jl]C[andreiraz [3k\]: m3 
mmmn: b res
Backflash [6k?\]: well done on losing one lib?
donkisot [7d?\]: still not finished 
myrtle [4d\]: both very str at reading
Thus [3d\]: m3 l4 and ?
nepal999 [1d?\]: this could end up seki
jakotaki [1d\]: yose :D
Backflash [6k?\]: that would be glorious
Blair [4k\]: no seki here
]
(;B[lq]
;W[lr]C[samowar [1d\]: oh
])
(;B[nn]
;W[on]
;B[lq]
;W[lr]C[jakotaki [1d\]: ...
]
;B[kp]
;W[kq]C[donkisot [7d?\]: black should play m3 before j4 
Backflash [6k?\]: two kos hah
donkisot [7d?\]: now he lost one more liberty 
slender [2d\]: black instead k5 should j6
Maek [3d\]: start ko now?
]
;B[sd]C[slender [2d\]: 1 liberty more
Backflash [6k?\]: yuuuup
donkisot [7d?\]: j4 may lose the game 
]
;W[qd]
;B[hl]
;W[im]
;B[qe]C[Thus [3d\]: o6 also one less threat
Backflash [6k?\]: clean bomber!
Thus [3d\]: b really failed here
Poziom [1d\]: no oko to źle to wygląda :(
]
;W[sf]C[nepal999 [1d?\]: it seems w can just t14 then fill the outside b liberties and win
]
;B[sh]
;W[qd]
;B[jj]
;W[ji]
;B[qe]C[nepal999 [1d?\]: o5
samowar [1d\]: hm
Backflash [6k?\]: point of o5?
nepal999 [1d?\]: fill liberty
robert [6k\]: i've just come on phone. whose game is this?
Blair [4k\]: ilya
Blair [4k\]: w
Backflash [6k?\]: chikchin vs mateusz
Backflash [6k?\]: shikshin*
]
;W[jf]C[robert [6k\]: thx
Bashania [2d\]: it's written righte above the kibitz box btw...
Backflash [6k?\]: its not
gisel [3d\]: hes on the phone, and they dont have names of players
Blair [4k\]: EGC what about time ?
Backflash [6k?\]: plenty to lose this game Blair
FuzzFace [1k\]: time is money
nepal999 [1d?\]: it's 10 to 2 ;-)
Bashania [2d\]: huh? the app doesn't provide the names?
Backflash [6k?\]: nope
Mollusque [4d\]: it's that a threat ?
Thew [2d\]: who is mateusz?
Backflash [6k?\]: its that threat indeed
losanios [1k\]: yes
samowar [1d\]: he's drakula on kgs
Blair [4k\]: mateusz is black players
jakotaki [1d\]: mateusz, next strong player from east europe
Psychopath [-\]: It's a threat.
Psychopath [-\]: s14 l14 k12 h12 j11 j10 h11 g12 o16 
samowar [1d\]: j10 is a nice threat for b
Thus [3d\]: true
jakotaki [1d\]: s14 
FuzzFace [1k\]: s14 l14 k12 h12 j10 
copyright [3d\]: g12 ??
Kaban [3k\]: Did Ilja play  with Fan Hui?
FuzzFace [1k\]: in a week tournament yes
goldtree [3k\]: not in the main tournament
FuzzFace [1k\]: and he win
Backflash [6k?\]: in weekend tournament
Bjondro [8k\]: its 5 to 5 liberties?
Backflash [6k?\]: and he crushed him badly
samowar [1d\]: as for s14, seems b is always 1 lib short
Bjondro [8k\]: w can start catrure racing and win?
FuzzFace [1k\]: read my sequence !
pivoglotov [6k?\]: he can't
jakotaki [1d\]: can;t
Backflash [6k?\]: anyone read this please, is it possible to ignore? id ignore it
samowar [1d\]: j10 j9, FuzzFace
nepal999 [1d?\]: yeah
samowar [1d\]: it does not chanfe much
Mollusque [4d\]: i read it, b can't ignore
samowar [1d\]: change*
samowar [1d\]: yup
Mollusque [4d\]: s14 l14 k12 h12 and whatever happen w is one lib ahead
]
;B[gi]C[KiraLNear [3d\]: sick!
Mollusque [4d\]: Oo
pivoglotov [6k?\]: 0_o
Backflash [6k?\]: i didnt see this coming at all
losanios [1k\]: oO
samowar [1d\]: haha:D
copyright [3d\]: continue ko :)
nepal999 [1d?\]: just what i expected
Mollusque [4d\]: that prevent w h12 in my sequence :)
FuzzFace [1k\]: you right
Mollusque [4d\]: and now b has more locals threat ?
Weishenme [4d\]: L9
JonSnow [4d\]: so has white?
FuzzFace [1k\]: best way here is to smoke ^^
Backflash [6k?\]: ill go get me some coffee
Weishenme [4d\]: L9 w wins the semeai
Thus [3d\]: no
Thus [3d\]: l9 s14 
Weishenme [4d\]: l9 s14 k7 o12 o5 p13 o14 o16 m4 
Weishenme [4d\]: and w+
nepal999 [1d?\]: it was like that before w played k14 as ko threat
Thus [3d\]: ko :P
Bjondro [8k\]: that what I said
nepal999 [1d?\]: i thought he could just fill liberties
Bjondro [8k\]: w can capture first
Poziom [1d\]: l9 f10
Lesmian [1d\]: yes, f10 causes trouble
nepal999 [1d?\]: then b group is dead?
samowar [1d\]: wow  2-step sequence, nice:-P
zima [1k\]: r16 or k7
Mollusque [4d\]: nothing with f10
Mollusque [4d\]: l9 f10 k12 
Mollusque [4d\]: l9 f10 k12 k13 j13 l14 h12 w alive
gruenwald [2d\]: very nice tesuji
Lesmian [1d\]: how much time they have?
]
;W[jh]
;B[jg]
;W[fj]C[Poziom [1d\]: h12 j8 k7j11
arri [1k\]: over
TurtleDove [4k?\]: seems when there is an easy way out, they always find a more difficult route ;)
samowar [1d\]: Mateusz's hands look sweaty
jakotaki [1d\]: ble :/
]
;B[kf]
;W[qd]
;B[ij]
;W[ik]
;B[qe]
;W[kk]C[jakotaki [1d\]: :o
jakotaki [1d\]: moze w chce wskoczyc w c17 i pozabijac
jakotaki [1d\]: te 2 kamienie
mmmn: b res
]
;B[rf]C[Poziom [1d\]: m14 było konieczne?
]
;W[no]C[Thus [3d\]: b only needed one threat :(
pivoglotov [6k?\]: 2
samowar [1d\]: yeah
Thus [3d\]: but he screwed all his threats
]
;B[gf]C[FuzzFace [1k\]: j8 is a threath
FuzzFace [1k\]: =)
samowar [1d\]: he can eat  h17 but it's not enough
EGC2013c [?\]: b 30'' w 27''
drakulaOle: b ahead on territory?
gisel [3d\]: w +30
Weishenme [4d\]: the first move of the sequence at K9 shows a very strong ability at reading deeply
Thus [3d\]: not really
Thus [3d\]: this semiai favored black
Thus [3d\]: he just messed up
Poziom [1d\]: ja nie kumam m14 ale może czegoś nie dopatrzyłem; \]
WinPooh [3k\]: Does anybody have doubts in Shikshin's reading ability? :)
]
;W[ig]C[gruenwald [2d\]: but still w has to fight this ko later
]
;B[hh]
;W[ge]C[mmmn: c17 and w +50
]
;B[fe]
;W[ff]C[samowar [1d\]: maybe now's a good time to ko
]
;B[ef]
;W[fg]
;B[gg]
;W[eg]
;B[ie]C[Gorim [1d\]: this just captured
]
;W[gc]C[samowar [1d\]: not sure\\
ss29 [3d\]: b need more for ko, w has to be careful
samowar [1d\]: there's e18 and all
]
;B[hf]C[Gorim [1d\]: three stones yep, but that is not enoygh
Gorim [1d\]: maybe
KiraLNear [3d\]: yes but a lot of ko threats
samowar [1d\]: Gorim, w will surely take:-)
]
;W[db]C[Gorim [1d\]: eh must go, this game to difficult for me anyway:P
ss29 [3d\]: don't think ko will be played for long
TurtleDove [4k?\]: neither can play at o12 ?
ss29 [3d\]: just one theat which won't be answered
ss29 [3d\]: threat*
]
;B[df]C[samowar [1d\]: o12 for w would be deadly:-)
]
;W[dg]
;B[ce]
;W[ee]C[samowar [1d\]: as for b, what's the point?
]
;B[de]C[FuzzFace [1k\]: n12  dead ?
samowar [1d\]: not dead
ss29 [3d\]: or maybe w has 1 local threat
]
;W[cg]
;B[cc]C[FuzzFace [1k\]: so b lost ? 
samowar [1d\]: yup
ss29 [3d\]: I think so
]
;W[ec]
;B[ed]
;W[cb]
;B[bb]C[Thus [3d\]: b18?
Psychopath [-\]: Yeah?
drakulaOle: even game
Thus [3d\]: he can't win the game like this
samowar [1d\]: even with g17 dead w is ahead
ss29 [3d\]: w+30 even if h17 dies
samowar [1d\]: yup
CageyS [2d?\]: pretty sure g17 will live
ss29 [3d\]: yeah
Psychopath [-\]: It's not going to die.
Thus [3d\]: it can die with the help of the ko
Thus [3d\]: but not enough
]
;W[jb]C[drakulaOle: b+0,5
drakulaOle: my bet
WVoron [5d\]: lol
WVoron [5d\]: 0.00001%
Bjondro [8k\]: b ~60point, w ~80-100?
klausP [7d?\]: isnt there a ko?
samowar [1d\]: wrong window
drakulaOle: there is a ko
drakulaOle: so g17 will die
drakulaOle: and yose will decide
Psychopath [-\]: Black will resign before he has the chance to kill the group.
]
;B[nd]C[WVoron [5d\]: what is your ank drakula?
mmmn: k7
samowar [1d\]: hm, maybe it could be seki:-)
gisel [3d\]: he is 3d here I think
]
;W[lp]
;B[og]
;W[ko]C[Blair [4k\]: what the hell is that game... I'm totally lost
]
;B[fc]
;W[fb]
;B[kp]C[klausP [7d?\]: problem for b is
]
;W[nf]C[WVoron [5d\]: ))
klausP [7d?\]: killing g17 still loses game
Thus [3d\]: why p13?
]
;B[lq]C[WVoron [5d\]: yes
Thus [3d\]: and not o12
]
;W[jm]C[WVoron [5d\]: w kill c17 and win also
Psychopath [-\]: That's what everybody's been saying for quite a while.
Weishenme [4d\]: even if w looses G17 group, he wins
gruenwald [2d\]: so the game is pretty much over
Psychopath [-\]: Good point, Weishenme.
Backflash [6k?\]: funny how everything changed for a while but then its the same board again
]
;B[nh]
;W[lp]
;B[dc]C[maltian [5k\]: l15 
jakotaki [1d\]: must kill :/
Thoravatar [4d\]: cannot kill
Thus [3d\]: that will take some time
]
;W[eb]
;B[lq]C[Thus [3d\]: O:
Backflash [6k?\]: take it and smile
samowar [1d\]: :D
]
;W[le]C[CageyS [2d?\]: s15?
Thoravatar [4d\]: ?
]
;B[hg]C[Thus [3d\]: hehe
Thoravatar [4d\]: another threat
]
;W[lp]C[samowar [1d\]: crushed
SImikin [1k\]: total
jakotaki [1d\]: j17 ?
Thus [3d\]: j17 still kills though
]
;B[ib]C[Backflash [6k?\]: let it go w let it go
Sifu [3d?\]: ilya is too strong for his shirt
maltian [5k\]: s15 ?
Backflash [6k?\]: how can you tell is stream showing players now?
nanotech [2k\]: 1999 to one he plays...
swaggman [3d\]: ignore
samowar [1d\]: you can see their hands
ss29 [3d\]: maybe L5 now?
Weishenme [4d\]: w can also answer
Psychopath [-\]: "Maybe".
Backflash [6k?\]: oh i would
]
;W[ic]
;B[lq]C[swaggman [3d\]: ok answer
samowar [1d\]: haha
Weishenme [4d\]: he has B16 and so on for the win
WVoron [5d\]: b16
Sifu [3d?\]: w should capture, it was a safe win
nanotech [2k\]: b16
swaggman [3d\]: next threat will be c3 maybe
weiqidevil [-\]: white should play s15 as a ko threat?
WVoron [5d\]: or s15?
Backflash [6k?\]: funny how i joked about eating whole d16 and its it or l8
maltian [5k\]: is C3 big?
Thoravatar [4d\]: black should ignore any threat and fill M3
weiqidevil [-\]: lol
Thoravatar [4d\]: hahaha :)
Weishenme [4d\]: C3 = 鸡毛蒜皮
Thus [3d\]: s15 
jakotaki [1d\]: s15 
FuzzFace [1k\]: b16 
UrriS [5k\]: b15 ?
churckin [2k?\]: s15 
S666 [4d\]: P13?
Psychopath [-\]: b19 
Blair [4k\]: or b2 as a shicho breaker, mire subtil
mmmn: s15
WVoron [5d\]: b16 enough
]
;W[bd]C[Weishenme [4d\]: resign is tesuji now
ohlord [1d\]: sucks 4 b
WVoron [5d\]: black take p15 w c17 and w +20
WVoron [5d\]: or 30
WVoron [5d\]: so its over
Bjondro [8k\]: or 40
nanotech [2k\]: The same as Lisy Pavol had a game until the end....
]
;B[bc]C[mmmn: s15 - nice ko threat
WVoron [5d\]: no 40
]
;W[lp]
;B[cq]C[WVoron [5d\]: loool
jakotaki [1d\]: :l
S666 [4d\]: 41
jakotaki [1d\]: sad story
WVoron [5d\]: ye
kertif [1d\]: taking p15 was 30 points larger
AndEdhel [2d?\]: k5
AndEdhel [2d?\]: k
AndEdhel [2d?\]: L
AndEdhel [2d?\]: grr
mmmn: to beat ko
Sifu [3d?\]: pff
]
;W[bq]
;B[lq]
;W[be]
;B[ba]
(;W[cr])
(;W[lp]
;B[cr]
;W[br]
;B[lq]C[rtrtrt [7k\]: why?
Weishenme [4d\]: w is a gambler 
]
;W[re]C[UrriS [5k\]: What Ilia wants?
Trumelunki [3d\]: win with maximum points?
Psychopath [-\]: Ilya so badly wants to lose this semeai.
Weishenme [4d\]: s15 is dubious no ?
Backflash [6k?\]: he wants to pillage and plunder
]
;B[se]
;W[lp]C[Blair [4k\]: Ilja is a torturer
Sifu [3d?\]: he wants to crush the opponent's mind
off [1k\]: he's going for humiliation
Psychopath [-\]: "Win with maximum points" is bad for your go.
JonSnow [4d\]: l18
nepal999 [1d?\]: or good for your go
Psychopath [-\]: No, definitely bad.
nepal999 [1d?\]: you might win less but learn more
Sifu [3d?\]: b4 ?
yuuki [1k\]: Sometimes maximum points in the minimal ammount you need to win
ss29 [3d\]: is?
bluetoad [5d\]: b has to both win the ko AND get to play l18 to win
henryy07 [2k\]: what is bad with trying to do your best?
UrriS [5k\]: d1 
bluetoad [5d\]: which is impossible
Weishenme [4d\]: w will answer b4 but not c1
JonSnow [4d\]: l18 is a ko threat
nguyenvu90 [3k\]: d1 small
Neurocore [9k\]: hey, strange question, but where's the I letter on board (ABCDEFGHJ)?
Psychopath [-\]: It's not impossible, if White makes a misclick.
FirePrince [-\]: who is palying
bluetoad [5d\]: b has to play l18 in sente
goantti [?\]: I and J too similar, so one was skipped
bluetoad [5d\]: then play s3
Backflash [6k?\]: NEur its mistake with L sometimes
Backflash [6k?\]: en*
Neurocore [9k\]: thanks
jakotaki [1d\]: @Neurocore press ctrl+l
Psychopath [-\]: Neurocore, there isn't one to avoid confusion with small L.
AndEdhel [2d?\]: neurocore: prevents mistaking i for j
AndEdhel [2d?\]: or l
Bjondro [8k\]: its a KGS bug ;)
robs [1k\]: letters only shown for +5 kyu
bluetoad [5d\]: if he gets both l18 and s2 and wins the ko then he can win
bluetoad [5d\]: i meant s3
FirePrince [-\]: who is playing
nguyenvu90 [3k\]: they are dan pro?
rtrtrt [7k\]: @robs lol
goantti [?\]: yeah, l and I too
nguyenvu90 [3k\]: or amateur
nguyenvu90 [3k\]: ?
KongZi [-\]: ama
nguyenvu90 [3k\]: hum
KongZi [-\]: Eropean Go congress 
FirePrince [-\]: WHO IS PLAYING
nguyenvu90 [3k\]: ok
ThiGar [3k\]: b4?
Blair [4k\]: black and white
HardScore [2d\]: don't scream like that pls :)
maltian [5k\]: roln vs surma
]
;B[kb]C[FirePrince [-\]: finally got an answer lol
FirePrince [-\]: thx
KongZi [-\]: Shikshin Ilja (W) Vs Surma Mateusz (B)
ss29 [3d\]: another ko?
FirePrince [-\]: thank u
zima [1k\]: ignore
HardScore [2d\]: cannot
bluetoad [5d\]: white can eliminate the ko
bluetoad [5d\]: and win
Sifu [3d?\]: b can kill that group, but so what
bluetoad [5d\]: by quite a lot
myrtle [4d\]: j18 next would kill top?
Psychopath [-\]: He could do that a long time ago but no.
myrtle [4d\]: h18*
Sifu [3d?\]: come on ilya, do some counting
Psychopath [-\]: White still has 1 more threat.
Kajiura [6k\]: lol FirePrince ^^
ss29 [3d\]: ah, no
bluetoad [5d\]: w ignore, b play h18
Thus [3d\]: its either this or ignoring b4
bluetoad [5d\]: w play s3
bluetoad [5d\]: he wins by lots
bluetoad [5d\]: w doesnt have to answer this
AndEdhel [2d?\]: he will
myrtle [4d\]: but ilya is a naughty win, he likes resign win for than 10pts
bluetoad [5d\]: just play l5
ThiGar [3k\]: if w doesn't answer, top is for b
bluetoad [5d\]: w can win by 20 points
KongZi [-\]: or W+R ^^ 
bluetoad [5d\]: w ignore, b play h18, w play s2
Blair [4k\]: thx ThiGar for your ditailed analysis
myrtle [4d\]: b next threat would be c5 i guess
myrtle [4d\]: eg h18 m3 a17 a18 m4 c5 
HardScore [2d\]: what's the link for the live stream ?
myrtle [4d\]: so danger for w to answer
Neurocore [9k\]: desirable resignation..
windows [2k\]: l18 can be ignored isnt it?
bbr [3k\]: ignore already
robs [1k\]: r they in byo?
mmmn: h18
myko [4k?\]: Ilya IS ignoring! Don't you see that he doesn't do anything?
logodude [3d\]: hmmm
Blair [4k\]: for the ones who has screaming, does Ilya still scratching his bollocks like he did yesterday with Fan ?
KongZi [-\]: Ilja is a strong player, he wins Weekend tournament and 9x9, but French player Fan Hui punish hil later in this tournament =) 
Kajiura [6k\]: white +9.5 
summerwars [-\]: @HardScore: Ithink u can find the lifestream on the egc-page of this year easily
]
;W[hb]
;B[lq]C[mmmn: a17
ss29 [3d\]: last one
Neurocore [9k\]: ?
HardScore [2d\]: thx
Neurocore [9k\]: why
myrtle [4d\]: so now w gonna ignore c5?
Neurocore [9k\]: ah
Boogeyman [2k\]: a17 
Neurocore [9k\]: yes
]
;W[ac]C[Neurocore [9k\]: Ilja hoping he read better
]
;B[ab]C[Weishenme [4d\]: yes w will ignore C5
]
;W[lp]
;B[bp]C[mmmn: capture group
]
;W[ko]
;B[co]C[maltian [5k\]: count only no reading
mukai [3k\]: resign?
mmmn: c1
]
;W[cs]
;B[cp]C[weiqidevil [-\]: can you lose on time when you have to take off such a huge group?
myrtle [4d\]: c1 c4 c6 b6 a4 b5 b7 e1 
]
;W[cn]C[Neurocore [9k\]: e1
BoSunHac [4d\]: you can stop the watch when taking more than 3 stones
myrtle [4d\]: in slow tournies usually yes weiqidevil
HardScore [2d\]: holy shit
mmmn: s3
ss29 [3d\]: b6 ?
myrtle [4d\]: in blitz tournies you can stop clock for over 3 stones
bolbi [-\]: language
weiqidevil [-\]: how mean^^
HardScore [2d\]: pardon 
HardScore [2d\]: c'est l'motion
HardScore [2d\]: émotion*
Thoravatar [4d\]: unholy -> banned?
mmmn: bres
]
;B[ao]C[mmmn: b6
Thoravatar [4d\]: :)
myrtle [4d\]: nice move
weiqidevil [-\]: good to know. Thanks myrtle and BoSunhac :)
weiqidevil [-\]: BoSunHac*
]
;W[bn]
;B[es]C[rtrtrt [7k\]: why is this game still going on?
]
;W[rq]
;B[an]
;W[am]
;B[ds]
;W[bm]C[Thoravatar [4d\]: no clue
]
;B[jc]C[swaggman [3d\]: who counted?
myrtle [4d\]: cos b didnt count?
mmmn: b+20
nanotech [2k\]: 20
]
;W[ia]C[rtrtrt [7k\]: sorry but i can't fathom a 6d not counting
mmmn: w+20
Kajiura [6k\]: w+17.5
myrtle [4d\]: well there are a lot of captures
myrtle [4d\]: if they are in a bowl it is hard to count
nepal999 [1d?\]: mi sure you'll still *know*
mmmn: s6
Weishenme [4d\]: 72 prisonner
]
;B[qo]
;W[ka]
;B[la]C[Thus [3d\]: pros don't use the bowl to count
]
;W[ja]
;B[lb]C[Thoravatar [4d\]: it is actually close? hmm count again
myrtle [4d\]: how many pros playing? :p
jakotaki [1d\]: pros counts on fingers
nepal999 [1d?\]: did w miss the b5/b4 sente exchange?
globax [3d\]: t4
kertif [1d\]: are the players allowed to count the captures in the oppents bowl?
gruenwald [2d\]: at least 15 for ilya
]
;W[sq]C[weiqidevil [-\]: nice move
gruenwald [2d\]: kertif they can see on the board how many are missing
swaggman [3d\]: w+10
Neurocore [9k\]: yeah
Thoravatar [4d\]: ah no, forgot white topgroup
Weishenme [4d\]: aiming at t5
Backflash [6k?\]: id say se pretty much right - 5 pts
Thoravatar [4d\]: w+ 5-10
jakotaki [1d\]: + komi.......
maltian [5k\]: w+15
Thoravatar [4d\]: no, including komi
salmon [2k\]: b+0,5 :)
sylvain [2d?\]: in slow tournaments, you also stop the clock to remove one or more stones.
Beauty [2d?\]: w+25
nepal999 [1d?\]: j11 pretty big
swaggman [3d\]: w+10
sylvain [2d?\]: (3 or more stones)
CageyS [2d?\]: looks like b res'd
Weishenme [4d\]: deep invasion around b11 seems possible ?
EGC2013c [?\]: w+r
JohnSmitt: After all phi was wrong. What a shame...
Kajiura [6k\]: thanks 
Weishenme [4d\]: ty
mmmn: Молодец, Илья!
mmmn: Хорошая работа
alfuij [-\]: thx
myrtle [4d\]: w+11.5 is my count
SanekFree [3k\]: Отведал силушки богатырской, супостат!
kosh90 [5k\]: воистину отведал)
Timk [-\]: xD
quipu [3k\]: Да ладно, какой там супостат, поляки наши люди, только временно откололись.
Thoravatar [4d\]: w+13.5
Thoravatar [4d\]: I would stop playing, if i was black and counted
Blair [4k\]: what happen on others boards ? 
Blair [4k\]: Fan ?
Thoravatar [4d\]: won
globax [3d\]: thx egc
UrriS [5k\]: Fan won
Thoravatar [4d\]: big as well
Blair [4k\]: and Dinerstein ?
Thoravatar [4d\]: dunno
Neurocore [9k\]: hoonno
])))
