(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[3x60 byo-yomi]
GN[57th European Go Congress, Quarterfinals]PW[Tormanen Antti]PB[Surma Mateusz]WR[6d]BR[6d]DT[2013-08-08]EV[European Go Championships]RO[Quarterfinals]PC[Olsztyn, Poland]US[thera]
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;W[cp]
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;W[pq]
;B[po]
;W[nd]C[eureka [5k\]: finally, Antti vs Mateusz :)
daveminion [1d\]: Antti wins :D
hhr: I think he won already
BrianH [5k\]: :)
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;B[oc]
;W[jd]C[hhr: white center moyo can already be seen
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;B[nc]
;W[fc]
;B[cf]C[apina [1d\]: is this Antti's 5th consecutive game as white?
Blair [4k\]: hi, who's playi.g here ?
Bolko [1d\]: apparently played black in the game that wasnt shown
eureka [5k\]: w Antti, b Mateusz
Blair [4k\]: tgx
]
;W[ep]C[akairyuu [2d?\]: also played black in the first 2 rounds
apina [1d\]: Bolko, I just forgot that game
apina [1d\]: I didn't see it, it didn't happen
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;B[qq]C[Suvi [-\]: Antti! \\o/
daveminion [1d\]: r7
daveminion [1d\]: antti likes n3
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;W[dj]C[daveminion [1d\]: O.o
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;B[db]
;W[qr]
;B[qp]C[fey [3d\]: quite fast opening for w
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;W[mq]C[fey [3d\]: fights are coming
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;B[qk]C[maciek [2d\]: czesc
maciek [2d\]: hi
maciek [2d\]: hallo!
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;W[jq]C[maciek [2d\]: osa!
EGC2013b [?\]: bry
maciek [2d\]: juz Mateusz ma wygrana gre, tak?
lamalama: not really ;)
]
;B[ip]C[maciek [2d\]: Suomessa on tervehtiä kannattajat!!!
duckduck: google translate?
maciek [2d\]: yeah
duckduck: thought so :)
maciek [2d\]: is it correct?
duckduck: it's about "In Finland there is to say hello supporters"
sakugo [?\]: nope :)
maciek [2d\]: hehe
duckduck: but we appreciate the effort :)
maciek [2d\]: cool
daveminion [1d\]: hehe :D
on1 [12k\]: : D
]
;W[in]C[eureka [5k\]: moyo-game begins
tuquedenne [4d\]: whoh, strange move
USSRMan [3d\]: mateusz will win
maciek [2d\]: black is low everywhere
Koffein [-\]: kiai
chibiVP [5d?\]: Antti gagnera, je dis ce avec certitude.
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;W[kq]
;B[gp]C[maciek [2d\]: its not certitude, its a hope
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;W[fn]C[maciek [2d\]: wake up!
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;B[kp]C[Koffein [-\]: not sure if antti had this style already before he went to japan .. but he told me to study ohashi hirofumi, and his style is very center orientated like in this game :)
duckduck: it may be that he was secretly replaced with a bot there
sakugo [?\]: no, his style has much developed since before japan
chibiVP [5d?\]: he want to play L6 but so painful to let B take M4?
holynec [-\]: he told you to study ohashi hirofumi? what is that
duckduck: n5 not a move here?
Koffein [-\]: the flow is .. well, interesting :) black wanted to lightly reduce white, and suddenly white got some influence here
maciek [2d\]: Antto is japan go student?
maciek [2d\]: Antti is fighting both sides
holynec [-\]: Koffein answer my Q >:O
eureka [5k\]: he was insei for a year
holynec [-\]: white has a very nice blog :-\]
maciek [2d\]: link pls
Bolko [1d\]: gooften.net
Koffein [-\]: sry necktie, watching 4 games is tough :)
Koffein [-\]: ohashi is a japanese pro and teaches at the nihon kiin
Koffein [-\]: he is famous for his 6-6 opening :)
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;W[lp]
;B[kn]C[holynec [-\]: I'ven ever heard of him.
holynec [-\]: I have heard of Takemiya Masaki who likes center influence...
Koffein [-\]: now you have
Koffein [-\]: takemiyas style is similar, but more .. focused on standard shapes
fru123sb [6k\]: W way ahead here, no?   
maciek [2d\]: no
fru123sb [6k\]: always confusing for me how much of centre will end up as points.
maciek [2d\]: the blog is really cool
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;W[ch]C[Koffein [-\]: which one?
holynec [-\]: standard shape? beautiful shapes :-\]
maciek [2d\]: its very hard to estimate it fru
myrtle [4d\]: i like w's moyoie territory, feels too big to be allowed but no idea how to invade it
Koffein [-\]: ah, read the chat, nvm
fru123sb [6k\]: O2 seems to = S7.  Then UL + UR = Left?   But B has a weak group, the right is open, and W is light on the top.
maciek [2d\]: e8 maybe
maciek [2d\]: e8 shows i have no idea how to invade it too:)
maciek [2d\]: n16?
maciek [2d\]: c3?
maciek [2d\]: h17?
myrtle [4d\]: i like n16 idea
maciek [2d\]: o14
maciek [2d\]: today i give 5 moves every move
fru123sb [6k\]: o14 is instructive there, thx ;p
myrtle [4d\]: how many of them will be correct? :)
maciek [2d\]: yeah n16 looks big one
maciek [2d\]: the cosest wil be these u like
maciek [2d\]: closest
maciek [2d\]: the best:)
maciek [2d\]: n16 built right side and prepare severe attack on k16
Maek [3d\]: k8?
maciek [2d\]: c3 is "i dont know what to play" move
maciek [2d\]: e8 is lets see what u respond
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;B[lo]C[myrtle [4d\]: seems not urgent to invade or reduce lft yet cos it cant grow mch more,
gisel [3d\]: i remember someone telling me that surma means 'violent death' in finnish - I hope Antti's will be more peaceful 
maciek [2d\]: hmm this looks very solid
maciek [2d\]: really?
Bolko [1d\]: ye
myrtle [4d\]: quite big, almost impossible for w to cut through so makes right side quite scary
]
;W[pj]C[gisel [3d\]: not really, he can also be massacred if you ask me
myrtle [4d\]: q10 and n16 look fun to me
holynec [-\]: w plays lot of loose moves ^^
Koffein [-\]: but i doubt white will get both, myrtle :)
holynec [-\]: he a fan of cosmic go?
myrtle [4d\]: sure i was just guessing w's for this move :p
maciek [2d\]: Antti going for a myo which is very hard to play at this leve, which is good for Surma:)
maciek [2d\]: i like black now
myrtle [4d\]: antti always plays relatively high
Koffein [-\]: m16 is a good point for black, reducing the center while threatening h16 
myrtle [4d\]: somehow it comes good in the end...
liquescens [1d\]: what about  b4 probe?
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;B[pk]C[maciek [2d\]: m16 is better locally than n16?
Bolko [1d\]: well surma is a murder or something but that way ye :S
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;W[oj]
;B[ri]C[maciek [2d\]: yeah good idea lique, but maybe later
maciek [2d\]: but down left corner is still open for invasions
Cloud7 [2k?\]: i dont like s11
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;W[lj]C[maciek [2d\]: better fall in love with it
dxxd [1d\]: I thought b had to fight
myrtle [4d\]: antti got some nice centre potential forming
maciek [2d\]: its a natural shape at this joseki
dxxd [1d\]: like q10, o10
maciek [2d\]: Antti is playing like  Zen19 bot
Maek [3d\]: tengen?
maciek [2d\]: nie ma mowy
maciek [2d\]: powolutku redukowac
Bolko [1d\]: so we can already count how many points black can get :D
maciek [2d\]: placzyc atak k16 i m10 
Bolko [1d\]: all solid at move 35
maciek [2d\]: wydaje sie ze grunt to nie spanikowac
maciek [2d\]: bialemu chyba tylko oto chodzi zeby czarny wskoczyl
maciek [2d\]: bialy gra jak fisz:)
Maek [3d\]: cz ma duzo punktow
maciek [2d\]: no, czarny wyglada troche jak Fan Hui
maciek [2d\]: ty. podoba mi sie ten tengen teraz:D
Maek [3d\]: a mowiles ze nie
maciek [2d\]: no ale sie z nim oswoilem
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;B[ld]C[Koffein [-\]: oh, what a surprise! m16! :)
myrtle [4d\]: i hope w k9 becomes a move later :)
Bolko [1d\]: its hard to watch anttis games, he always puts himself in situations I have no idea what I would do
Shinichi56 [-\]: center is open and small :(
myrtle [4d\]: m17
maciek [2d\]: white is waiting for black he invades, but black is patient and just take cash 
Koffein [-\]: m17 n16 hurts the center a lot
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;W[kf]C[myrtle [4d\]: wowzer
myrtle [4d\]: he really is zen
maciek [2d\]: yes
maciek [2d\]: black should take care about centre now
maciek [2d\]: and play something like f14 i think
myrtle [4d\]: f14 maybe too casual
maciek [2d\]: ok...l12 maybe
maciek [2d\]: h17
maciek [2d\]: e8
maciek [2d\]: d9
maciek [2d\]: :)
]
;B[fe]C[maciek [2d\]: wow, was close:)
myrtle [4d\]: hoho, f13 so tempting
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b54 w 54 without komi, and assuming no opints in center or top
Zaagmans [3d\]: I think 2 feels just a little uncomfortable now
Zaagmans [3d\]: 2= white
maciek [2d\]: how much u counted down left Oo?
Koffein [-\]: tempting, but .. black can still reduce from the other side
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I counted bottom left as w
holynec [-\]: i count 50 pts in middle
myrtle [4d\]: this game is too complicated to play
maciek [2d\]: black will invade it
Zaagmans [3d\]: dont count yet, anything can still happen in the lower left
myrtle [4d\]: lol holynec, you should meet SE :)
lamalama: e14 or something
lucibel [2d\]: for some reason w stones look like they were played by a relly strong computer. familiar shapes in weird places and suddenly they form a huge moyo you can't invade
Koffein [-\]: even SE counts less than 50 in the center
Bjondro [8k\]: there's no points in middle yet
holynec [-\]: SE isn't as strong as I am.
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;W[hd]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: but w doesnt need points in the center, he can just secure what he has and it should be enough
myrtle [4d\]: this can still be invaded easy enough,jut have to make sure the invasion doesnt get attacked too severely tho. very hard to pick the right depth
Ootakamoku [2d\]: looks to me like b is the one under preassure to come up with some magic points
maciek [2d\]: for me its aboutB+10
holynec [-\]: there's a good book: "Reducing Territorial Frameworks" tells you the depth ^^
myrtle [4d\]: i wanna bet on b playing tengen, tengen always the coolest bet
maciek [2d\]: white needs aim to attack to use his stones
Ootakamoku [2d\]: myrtle no cookies left?
maciek [2d\]: i think its time to invade left dwon corner
myrtle [4d\]: i lost them all yesterday :)
Kraken [-\]: these guys like keima
maciek [2d\]: c3 
Koffein [-\]: necktie, you just disqualified yourself from giving teaching advices
maciek [2d\]: or q12
holynec [-\]: I disqualify my disqualify.
Maek [3d\]: c8!
Koffein [-\]: way too deep
Koffein [-\]: anything in the center
Koffein [-\]: but where?
maciek [2d\]: no need in the centre now
Koffein [-\]: this is a very complex strategic problem
maciek [2d\]: left down corner or q12
maciek [2d\]: and i bet for c3
Ootakamoku [2d\]: but if b goes into the center, doesnt that practically guarantee that left side becomes white all the way?
lucibel [2d\]: b c8 and someone's going to resign soon
Ootakamoku [2d\]: and if left is is all w, then looks like w leading
Koffein [-\]: the left side _is_ already white's territory
myrtle [4d\]: need to find a way to try to make p10 attackable
maciek [2d\]: i doubt c8 is good move
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;B[fl]C[holynec [-\]: Ootakamoku, Go is a game of giving and taking. You can't get territory AND take away all of the opponent's.
myrtle [4d\]: in he goes
maciek [2d\]: if Antti played this shape moyo i am sure he can kill c8
myrtle [4d\]: and the game begins
maciek [2d\]: f8 looks wonderful!
Bjondro [8k\]: :)
Ootakamoku [2d\]: holynec, also you wont get fair results in go, assuming one player already has a better position
maciek [2d\]: black can escape every direction
Koffein [-\]: the next move will take a couple of minutes
holynec [-\]: i like this move
holynec [-\]: weak connection between f6 and j6 stone
kmr [1d\]: yeah, c3 direction is best to evade :D
maciek [2d\]: hey kibitz! we got tricked!
maciek [2d\]: ITS BLACK GOING TO TAKE CENTRE!!!!
uriel [1k\]: what!?
lamalama: he will die there for our amusement
xio [5k\]: loser is gonna fall off from tournament here?
maciek [2d\]: dont know xio
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;W[dl]C[Lesmian [2d\]: losers probably come back to the main tournament 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: and now b needs to demonstrate the purpose of f8
holynec [-\]: he just did
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w already secured alot of cash in this exchange
maciek [2d\]: not really
holynec [-\]: f8 did it's job ^^
akairyuu [2d?\]: nope, losers will settle positions 5-8
Koffein [-\]: this response was faster than expected
maciek [2d\]: c3 now
Ootakamoku [2d\]: nothing left at c3
xio [5k\]: ok, clear and then final stage, right?
maciek [2d\]: so g6?
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;B[cq]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: and Im proven wrong >.<
Maek [3d\]: maceik 6d; o
maciek [2d\]: here we are, nothing comes
apina [1d\]: akiryuu, really? I thought they will drop out and continue in main tournament (tho this cup is part of main tournament also)
holynec [-\]: maciek, can't believe you listened to the other 2d
maciek [2d\]: no maciek jest zajebisty przeciez:)
Ootakamoku [2d\]: tho honestly, I dont understand this move, just a solid d3 answer and it seems the exchange loses something for b
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;W[dq]C[akairyuu [2d?\]: apina, it's written in the european championship rules
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;B[co]C[apina [1d\]: ok
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ko, someone overplaying now >.<
maciek [2d\]: its not an overplay Oo, its just higher level than 2d
Koffein [-\]: now black should make sure that he lives with f8 .. these exchanges lost a few points on the lower side
xio [5k\]: c3 is black favourite probe
maciek [2d\]: if white b4
maciek [2d\]: black e7?
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;W[bp]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: b4 d5 normal
maciek [2d\]: normal is bad here
maciek [2d\]: too many stones around
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;B[em]C[maciek [2d\]: ^^
xio [5k\]: kamienie na szaniec
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I think w can just d7 and its stil all good
maciek [2d\]: d7 e6 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: hmm, ok, maybe thats too soft
BoSunHac [4d\]: d7 seems like a horrible shape
maciek [2d\]: d5 seems shape for me
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;W[dm]C[myrtle [4d\]: i think b is doing ok here
maciek [2d\]: but i think white is ging to cap this kosumi
maciek [2d\]: mhm goal for Oo
maciek [2d\]: e6!
myrtle [4d\]: hmm antti plans e6 f5 and continue attack?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: all w moves and answers are effectively victory decleration, where as b just trying to complicate
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;B[en]C[Koffein [-\]: i guess he has to .. he can't just let this invasion live for free
Kanin [7d\]: the Törriminator will strike with a vengence
maciek [2d\]: black has d5 aji
maciek [2d\]: but he needs to escape
myrtle [4d\]: f5 too big, cant ignore. i will say it... ONLY MOVE!
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;W[fo]C[myrtle [4d\]: woah, it didnt get cursed
holynec [-\]: I do not like this black plan. He should escape first before making heavy group
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I dont think it matters if he makes it heavy, as he could never afford to lose it anyways
barrskog [1d\]: black ismaking a baby dragon, cute :)
xio [5k\]: now d5 looks like an option
Shinichi56 [-\]: f8 losing move 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: d5 might not even get a direct answer, so a bit risky to play now
maciek [2d\]: wonder d5 is it sente now?
holynec [-\]: why would you even play d5 here? - _ -
maciek [2d\]: or black has to run away with something like g9?
holynec [-\]: safe groups first
xio [5k\]: to connect in sente?
jakotaki [1d\]: szok
Ootakamoku [2d\]: f10 looks natural
myrtle [4d\]: i prefer h8 to f10, poke at a weakness then jump further other way
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;B[ek]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: myrtle, Im just slightly worried about running in that direction because of potenmtial problems at o6
myrtle [4d\]: mm true
]
;W[dk]C[xio [5k\]: isnt e9 a bit ajikeshish?
maciek [2d\]: white has less points if no profit from attacking here
Koffein [-\]: e9 helps black more than white
myrtle [4d\]: cant be keshi if there was no aji :p at least thats my feeling
holynec [-\]: no aji if you can't read
xio [5k\]: b could peep from the inside
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ya, would be super happy as b to be able to use the peep like this
holynec [-\]: that is my feeling ;p
maciek [2d\]: my feeling too, white answered s it was great exchange
lamalama: black has two weak grousp running towards "the center", so IMO this is anyway bad for black
maciek [2d\]: l6 is not weak
myrtle [4d\]: i am  not sure k4 can be called weak, its very nearly connected
maciek [2d\]: u can say the same , white has two weak gropus k16 and m10 
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;B[dn]C[holynec [-\]: Unfortunately, I have to agree with the dans...
Ootakamoku [2d\]: d6 soooo greedy
jakotaki [1d\]: fantastic
lamalama: d6 is the losing move
maciek [2d\]: creating a ko?
maciek [2d\]: e5 f4 d4 ?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: its not a ko
xio [5k\]: i thought f8 was losing move
Lesmian [2d\]: creating an own death?
lamalama: could he really aim for the ko here?
Zaagmans [3d\]: why not d5 instead?
xio [5k\]: what else if not ko?
lamalama: suicide?
maciek [2d\]: i think yes lamalama
lucibel [2d\]: c6 too small now?
maciek [2d\]: its too small to play it now if its only about territory
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;W[gk]C[maciek [2d\]: but maybe, its alaso cut d9
Ootakamoku [2d\]: well, this gives b d5 sente followup, as is threattens the ko for real
maciek [2d\]: will see
USSRMan [3d\]: white very behind
maciek [2d\]: white need a killl now
USSRMan [3d\]: this move is a long shot
USSRMan [3d\]: unprofitable attack
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I think g9 is one of those, dont have know reason for moves
Ootakamoku [2d\]: it just hits b shape pont
holynec [-\]: what are his other options? resign?
xio [5k\]: not if succeeds
Lesmian [2d\]: USSRMan you sound very phi :)
]
;B[gl]C[goantti [?\]: g9 also closes black in to some directions
Bolko [1d\]: this is just like a huge tsumego
holynec [-\]: which is why reading is important ^^
maciek [2d\]: but its not white to play and kill...its black to make a reduction and win
maciek [2d\]: it sounds very phi too
Ootakamoku [2d\]: nobi would be natural here for w, but mayve something creative like h7 if actually want to attack
maciek [2d\]: h7 looks like a Zen move
Goleath [2k\]: or more subtle like H5?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: h5 is bad shape for w
Ootakamoku [2d\]: probably helps b more than w
Goleath [2k\]: yeah. This is why everyone says I stink at go :) obvious bad moves are translated to "brilliant move" in my head :P
Goleath [2k\]: K7, then? :)
maciek [2d\]: dont trust kibitz Goealth
maciek [2d\]: trust yourself::)
maciek [2d\]: h5 is interesting move!
Goleath [2k\]: Cheers! ;)
maciek [2d\]: say Oo he is a weakest 2d u ever seen if he says its bad shape!
maciek [2d\]: fight for your ideas!
maciek [2d\]: feel your power baby!
Goleath [2k\]: banzai!
maciek [2d\]: :P
akairyuu [2d?\]: aww, don't teach our kyus to becoming more rebellious than they already are :o
maciek [2d\]: later blacke5 f4 d4 is powerfull ko
maciek [2d\]: its not about being rebellious its about being confident
maciek [2d\]: and mistrustful
maciek [2d\]: u should know what u talk about btw, u are kyu player;)
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;W[hk]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: yet those traits are harmfull when the other player is too much stronger
akairyuu [2d?\]: aye, but I'm dan by heart! :)
maciek [2d\]: :)
maciek [2d\]: u surely are
maciek [2d\]: h6?
maciek [2d\]: oh no
maciek [2d\]: h8?
TajnySad [-\]: h6 ?
maciek [2d\]: no tak pierwsze co pomyslalem, chodzi czy nie chodzi?
maciek [2d\]: black 60 points?
maciek [2d\]: looks like Antti needs about 25 in centre
xio [5k\]: you still think g9 attack gives w nothing?
maciek [2d\]: i think black can easily run away
maciek [2d\]: next moev h6
TajnySad [-\]: maciekw  skiazkach dla 15 kyupisza ze na takim etapie nie można powiedzieć, zę biały ma teren w centrum. Najwyżej strefę wpływów :)
Zaagmans [3d\]: g8 first?
Lesmian [2d\]: h6 w ogóle łączy?
maciek [2d\]: dlatego napisalem ze potrzebowalby:)
derpity: hungary?
kxk: w+res
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;B[hl]C[maciek [2d\]: a jak powiem ze laczy to mi uwierzysz?
Lesmian [2d\]: nie
maciek [2d\]: jednak popchnal
]
;W[il]C[maciek [2d\]: i teraz h6
maciek [2d\]: zagral zeby uniknach6 h8 g7 
]
;B[hn]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: problem is w still has f7 question
jakotaki [1d\]: miraculously !
maciek [2d\]: black has a ko possibility at e5 f4 d4 
maciek [2d\]: if w h5 b j7 
on1 [12k\]: or j5
Ootakamoku [2d\]: that ko is still very theoretical, as e5 f4 d4 b3 e3 c2 f3 g3 
maciek [2d\]: h5 j5 h7 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: and it coninues for a while still, and troughot all that b has to keep the ko open
maciek [2d\]: yeah, its yose ko
derpity: G5?
maciek [2d\]: but Oo
maciek [2d\]: e5 f4 d4 b3 c2 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: sure, then we get some 5 steps in the corner
Ootakamoku [2d\]: either way, w will have a milion local threats, and the ko is not picnic for b either
maciek [2d\]: its big in yose i hope
maciek [2d\]: or to be precisely, i think its big aji
maciek [2d\]: not maybe a ko "5 step?" how u read it? :)
Ootakamoku [2d\]: bad choice or words
Ootakamoku [2d\]: simply means w has alot of local threats
jakotaki [1d\]: pwnage
maciek [2d\]: yeah
myrtle [4d\]: does w have a good way to play here?
maciek [2d\]: we hope u say us
maciek [2d\]: we hope no 
maciek [2d\]: at least me
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w k6 maybe
myrtle [4d\]: seems hard to me
maciek [2d\]: k6?
myrtle [4d\]: but maybe its still a game even if no strong attack
lamalama: k6 creates more cutting points :))
maciek [2d\]: k6 h5 all connected
Ootakamoku [2d\]: maybe w p7 now
maciek [2d\]: i think W h5 no matter what wil come
lamalama: i would have played p7 much earlier
myrtle [4d\]: antti's games too complicated for me, i am looking at g14 but its probably nonsense
Ootakamoku [2d\]: h5 j7 g6 h7 j5 maybe
maciek [2d\]: white problem in this game i think was he plan he is going to play centre moyo strategy no matter what
maciek [2d\]: and he was surprised by patience of black 
apina [1d\]: maciek, do you really believe that yourself?
maciek [2d\]: moyo is not good strategy without your opponent weak group
]
;W[jk]C[maciek [2d\]: yes i think this was the biggest problem for white
maciek [2d\]: black didnt panic about the moyo, ask him
apina [1d\]: maybe you should think again
maciek [2d\]: u are Antti kibitz?
]
;B[ij]C[maciek [2d\]: girlfriend?
maciek [2d\]: brother?
apina [1d\]: i hope, that antti wins, but I don't believe that any 6 dan make that kind of plan
maciek [2d\]: mommy?:P
maciek [2d\]: ask him
maciek [2d\]: i am sure he made a plan of playing this strategy before he sit at the table
medical [2k\]: well, if you play go on EGC playoffs, you should never ever think that your opponent gets an panic attack about a moyo
apina [1d\]: oh, sorry, forgot that you shouldn't feed the troll
BigDoug [-\]: please keep the comments only about the game
apina [1d\]: do you think he planned something like that
]
;W[ik]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: wouldnt be totaly suprised if b refused to connect at g6 or there abouts
maciek [2d\]: we wonder is Anttin choose strategy to play moy before he started playing BigDoug?
apina [1d\]: no, we didn't
BigDoug [-\]: ok, that's my mistake -- sorry
medical [2k\]: I'd say Antti's style is influence oriented, so moyos are quite probable
apina [1d\]: that's totally different with that you said earlier
]
;B[dp]C[Kraken [-\]: i hope this white moyo is more than ten points in the end
maciek [2d\]: ko coming!
liquescens [1d\]: ko
maciek [2d\]: i was telling you!
]
;W[do]C[maciek [2d\]: this is powerful ko
]
;B[eo]C[ZyBeX86 [4k\]: this is getting interesting :D
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: or no ko and w takes the side
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: its also big
gisel [3d\]: yeah, Id guess white just connects
maciek [2d\]: how?
Maek [3d\]: i dont see many ko threats
myrtle [4d\]: ko very heavy
myrtle [4d\]: for w
medical [2k\]: does w get cut at f4 if he connects the ko?
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: d4 f4 c6
maciek [2d\]: black doesnt need a lot from this ko i thnik
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: the easy way out
myrtle [4d\]: oh but maybe he can not fight it
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: but bad for black
maciek [2d\]: early every move is a good threat
myrtle [4d\]: f4 d4 defend should be ok
]
;W[fp]C[maciek [2d\]: how to defend after d4?
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: c7?
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: c7?
Naab [3k\]: I don't really see how black could play this
gisel [3d\]: b h5 now?
maciek [2d\]: take ko
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: but that ko is meaningless now
]
;B[dp]C[maciek [2d\]: will see^^
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: ok he can try and kill the corner
maciek [2d\]: am i the only one who is trying to read moves?:P
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: or take some of it
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: u just read more :d
Maek [3d\]: just c2?
maciek [2d\]: if c2
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: c2 = e3
maciek [2d\]: black gained a sente with h5 or b5
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: and ko continues
maciek [2d\]: and this is big profit
SimbaRules [1d\]: Gogogo Antti :D *Waves fan flag*
SimbaRules [1d\]: Morning all :) .
maciek [2d\]: or continue a ko hmm:)
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: SZABLĄ ODBIERZEMY! :D
maciek [2d\]: i feel it troubles for white
maciek [2d\]: Zebyx:)
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: zYbEx :P
]
;W[bo]C[jakotaki [1d\]: Zbytex ?
egcreview2: jakotaki <3
myrtle [4d\]: all these 6ds with their resisting stuff
myrtle [4d\]: they are too strong
maciek [2d\]: yeah
]
;B[eq]C[maciek [2d\]: now i dont know
]
;W[do]
;B[mp]C[maciek [2d\]: b5 i fee was the riskiest answer possible
norsu [2d?\]: b5 claimed that b cant win the ko
]
;W[lq]
;B[dp]C[maciek [2d\]: black should think a little longer here
maciek [2d\]: its crucial moment
SimbaRules [1d\]: White D2 surely next.
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: maybe he did ? :D
]
;W[dr]
;B[er]
;W[do]
;B[or]C[maciek [2d\]: looks he doesnt
SimbaRules [1d\]: Black plays instantly :P .
maciek [2d\]: worry he could be too sure now
holynec [-\]: the force is strong with this one
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: what is time EGC?
maciek [2d\]: too confident
maciek [2d\]: 11:57 in Poland, sunny day
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I think w could actually end ko here
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: i mean B and W time left
SimbaRules [1d\]: Yeah, agreed, this is not so big.
maciek [2d\]: they have about 1 hour left
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: bardzo śmieszne maćku
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ignore this, b cant execute this threat without practically nuking up his own position for k4 group
maciek [2d\]: ignore p2?
Lesmian [2d\]: "sunny day in Poland" is an euphemism
KiraLNear [3d\]: W F3
]
;W[gq]C[Cloud7 [2k?\]: wc6
KiraLNear [3d\]: almost :)
Ootakamoku [2d\]: here we go
maciek [2d\]: its not ignoring
maciek [2d\]: its active responding:)
myrtle [4d\]: adjust adjust adjust
maciek [2d\]: because..:)
Ootakamoku [2d\]: Im sure youll come up with some plausible reason
maciek [2d\]: c6 q2 h2 g2 
gisel [3d\]: anyway now ko is useless for black
]
;B[dp]C[ZyBeX86 [4k\]: EGC2013b - camera little out of focus and how much time they have?
SimbaRules [1d\]: He still wants to play it XD .
Ootakamoku [2d\]: c6
]
;W[cn]C[SimbaRules [1d\]: Yup, C6.
maciek [2d\]: still a ko:)
Ootakamoku [2d\]: and no, not ko
norsu [2d?\]: d4 was like pass
Cloud7 [2k?\]: if this is no ko anymore then it was like a huge gain for white
myrtle [4d\]: should antti cash e8 now?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I would say it was negative points
maciek [2d\]: p4 is not a pass
]
;B[do]C[sakugo [?\]: can w kill the corner if b connects?
]
;W[cr]C[sakugo [?\]: apparently no :)
]
;B[hq]C[maciek [2d\]: black gained p4
Ootakamoku [2d\]: g2
Maek [3d\]: looks really bad or b
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: B was aiming for the n3 group
Maek [3d\]: h5?
maciek [2d\]: yes
apina [1d\]: h5 looks interesting
maciek [2d\]: and g3 answer was genius
sakugo [?\]: e7 grp not out of the trouble yet
Ootakamoku [2d\]: h5 will end up in trade
Ootakamoku [2d\]: dont want to play it
]
;W[gr]C[apina [1d\]: my kyu powers not enough to count these
Ootakamoku [2d\]: just play g2
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: hmmm
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: h5 was very good - maybe antti didn't see it?
maciek [2d\]: h4?:
maciek [2d\]: h2?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b will take lib
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b f5
maciek [2d\]: h2 or h4
Ootakamoku [2d\]: h2 doesnt threaten the left side w stones
Ootakamoku [2d\]: if b plays h2, w will answer p2
Cloud7 [2k?\]: p3 is my guess
maciek [2d\]: but the right ones
Maek [3d\]: after g2
Maek [3d\]: h2
Maek [3d\]: and tenuki
Maek [3d\]: ther eis f1
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: i get the feeling that some here are blind or don't see the lines straight :P F5 is taken :D
maciek [2d\]: cool
maciek [2d\]: nice read Maek
tsedi [1k\]: time remaining?
Maek [3d\]: after h2  w just play h1
maciek [2d\]: so now i am sure h2
maciek [2d\]: mhm...so h4:D
Ootakamoku [2d\]: maek h2 q2 f1 g5 h4 f3 g1 h5 
tsedi [1k\]: j7
momiji [3d\]: B52 with tumour
Maek [3d\]: after h5
Maek [3d\]: j7
maciek [2d\]: now he thinks long
maciek [2d\]: so he is surprised with the outcome
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: B can play g6 after h4
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: but w escapes
maciek [2d\]: h2 pojdzie
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: still
Lesmian [2d\]: o4 lepsze, niech wezmie jakis zysk z tego, poza tym o4 przy okazji zapewnia zycie klusce
maciek [2d\]: no ale h2 zabija wszystkie biale po prawej
maciek [2d\]: biale po dolnej prawej wieksze niz ta bezuzyteczna kluska
maciek [2d\]: lepiej kuche jako aji potraktowac i wziac sente mysle
Lesmian [2d\]: a sekwencja Ootakamoku? wydaje sie poprawna
Maek [3d\]: no napisalem
Maek [3d\]: po h5
Maek [3d\]: j7
maciek [2d\]: sekwencje ponad 7 ruchowe wydaje sie z pewnascia zbyt dlugie zeby byly poprawne
kmr [1d\]: no zalezy dla kogo :)
maciek [2d\]: :)
Lesmian [2d\]: fakt Maek, j7 zalatwia sprawe
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: mimo wszystko ta klucha duża
Lesmian [2d\]: no to h2 :)
apina [1d\]: somehow i got feeling, that white got too much here
maciek [2d\]: pytanie czy h2 rezeczywiscie zabije te biale grupe i sprawia ze p2 superdziala
]
;B[nq]C[ZyBeX86 [4k\]: o3
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: hmm
lamalama: ugh
maciek [2d\]: even here:)
gisel [3d\]: j7 niezupełnie załatwia sprawe, bo biały zabija d5
]
;W[hr]C[maciek [2d\]: white didnt took a lot more he had 
maciek [2d\]: black got big corner
Ootakamoku [2d\]: black needs to add a move or he has nothing there
Ootakamoku [2d\]: but if he does, w will attack e7
kmr [1d\]: mam watpliwosci czy h2 zabijalo M3 itd
maciek [2d\]: skoro nie zagral to nie zabijalo:)
Kraken [-\]: n5 is a serious problem for black
Maek [3d\]: no fakt
maciek [2d\]: no to teraz defend the klucha!
Maek [3d\]: troche oddechow brakuje
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b is just desperate, and I honestly think b has been desperate every since w h16 or there abouts
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: hmm
Maek [3d\]: czyli przegral wszystko co mozliwe
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: maybe leave d5
maciek [2d\]: n5 is a kind of a problem: "i ve got too many good answer, what to choose?"
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: and try to cut m10?
ZyBeX86 [4k\]: but it seems impossible
tsedi [1k\]: g3 surprised black
radzik23 [-\]: j3
radzik23 [-\]: :)
]
;B[gn]C[ZyBeX86 [4k\]: g6
Ootakamoku [2d\]: g5 is tempting for w, but b will surely ko it
Ootakamoku [2d\]: only way to possibly win
radzik23 [-\]: ok so he is giving white the choice
Ootakamoku [2d\]: so I think w will just compromise here, and play o4
EGC2013b [?\]: W: 1:21 B: 1:28
chibiVP [5d?\]: can he N5 and attack all of it?
tsedi [1k\]: o4? doesnt work imo
maciek [2d\]: how o4 works?
maciek [2d\]: yeah
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I think think w has to, its complicatd and situation is very good for w if he just takes the cash in bottom right
Maek [3d\]: n5 looks good
Maek [3d\]: for w
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I dont think w has to*
KurataSan [3d\]: g14 maybe?
]
;W[mo]C[lamalama: fight, fight!
maciek [2d\]: no niestety
]
;B[np]C[Kraken [-\]: now he got rid of that problem :)
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I dont like this for w, making the game more complicated that it has to be
tsedi [1k\]: so w does get to utilize his centre influence
KurataSan [3d\]: w doesn't have the advantage
maciek [2d\]: 6d games are more complicated than 2d u mean Oota?
KurataSan [3d\]: he has to do something
derpity: ootakamoku, seriously? you have seen Antti play before, right? :D
Ootakamoku [2d\]: sure I have
kmr [1d\]: jesli bialemu uda sie uciec tym pionem to houston mamy prablem
tsedi [1k\]: i would definitely play this cut :P
maciek [2d\]: thats a hope for black tsedi:))
Ootakamoku [2d\]: kuratasan, have you counted points? assuming w had played o4 instead of n5
maciek [2d\]: first u need to count 04, it doesnt works as u think:)
Ootakamoku [2d\]: hmm, true
Ootakamoku [2d\]: o4 n5 o2 p3 p4 q2 q1 q4 p1 q3 s2 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: so in a way it does
]
;W[mn]C[maciek [2d\]: u clicked 11 moves give me a moment lol
Bolko [1d\]: kibitz really needs that variation showing thingy
TajnySad [-\]: g5 ?
]
;B[jm]C[maciek [2d\]: o4 n5 o2 p3 p4 n2 Oo?
]
;W[im]
;B[lm]C[sakugo [?\]: suddenly lookin extremely dangerous for b
Ootakamoku [2d\]: o4 n5 o2 p3 p4 n2 q2 o1 q4 lol
maciek [2d\]: q2 was a mistake in your sequence:)
Ootakamoku [2d\]: maciek, you lose everything from that variation
maciek [2d\]: o4 n5 o2 p3 p4 n2 q2 o1 q4....m2
Ootakamoku [2d\]: yes, you live.. and right side corner goes away
Ootakamoku [2d\]: and you are cut so l4 not alive
maciek [2d\]: u are without eyes haha
Ootakamoku [2d\]: maciek, play it out, there is no way w dies, you take gote to keep your stones alive
maciek [2d\]: this conversation becoem like a Wody Allen book about chessplayers
maciek [2d\]: they both talking about the same game but the varations they see are totally diferent:))
Ootakamoku [2d\]: o4 n5 o2 p3 p4 n2 q2 o1 q1 p1 q4 m2 l2 m1 r5 and b resigns
floating [2k\]: who is leading ?
maciek [2d\]: lol exactly was i was talking about that book hehe
]
;W[mm]
;B[ll]C[maciek [2d\]: "and b resigns" after these 15 moves" haha
gisel [3d\]: i was away,and have no clue what you're talkink about oota and maciek :)
maciek [2d\]: can we clone the game?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: gisel, alternatives to w n5
Ootakamoku [2d\]: sure, Ill clone
gisel [3d\]: ok
jakotaki [1d\]: o8 
floating [2k\]: does b have too much cash if he survives here
floating [2k\]: and ez win
tsedi [1k\]: could w sacrifice these 3 stones and invade right side territory?
chibiVP [5d?\]: probably no, and definitely no.
apina [1d\]: he shouldn't add that third stone, if ready to sacrifice them
tsedi [1k\]: im reading bad things for w if he insists on connecting
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w has p5
chibiVP [5d?\]: what kind of bad things
tsedi [1k\]: b pushing throught n10 and w stones getting cut off
]
;W[ml]C[chibiVP [5d?\]: which stones? you saying you think w can't connect? or that something generally b happens if he tries?
chibiVP [5d?\]: like losing points somewhere
Ootakamoku [2d\]: m9 n10 n9 o9 o8 p8 o7 p6 
]
;B[mk]C[kxk: w o8 good
Ootakamoku [2d\]: n9 is a nice move
tsedi [1k\]: n9 o9 m9 p9 o10
]
;W[nk]C[tsedi [1k\]: that i read
sakugo [?\]: b has surprisingly few liberties
]
;B[lk]C[tsedi [1k\]: lets see what w does
Fredda [-\]: now what does w play?
chibiVP [5d?\]: w can get to 5 if allows cut
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w p5 >.<
Fredda [-\]: p5 lol
Fredda [-\]: :D
Ootakamoku [2d\]: but no, I guess cant get it quite working
Fredda [-\]: innovative
apina [1d\]: n10?
Fredda [-\]: in terms of shape need to n10 but b cuts
Fredda [-\]: then what
Ootakamoku [2d\]: p5 is a mess, but if it works, then it would solve the problem
Fredda [-\]: b will just ignore it
Ootakamoku [2d\]: p5 n10 q2?
apina [1d\]: after cut just force b to capture those stones
apina [1d\]: i don't like that, when I think there was better solution earlier
Fredda [-\]: or just p5 p6?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: p5 p6 o5 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: and problem persists
Fredda [-\]: strange:)
Kraken [-\]: n10 would make sense anyway
sakugo [?\]: n10 then l5 then m6 for w seems to produce ko
Bolko [1d\]: w must have some plan, no way he has misread something here
Bolko [1d\]: hope is all I have :D
Fredda [-\]: then just give the o3 stones its not that big is it?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: there is alot of read, but it does look like p5 works, tho I think there is a risk that b gain from n10 is so much capturing p4 wont make up for it, also there is the problem that b m6 becomes sente, which means can live inside
kmr [1d\]: white must kill sth otherwise he is very short of territory
Kraken [-\]: so many words...
hamfast [2d\]: seal off center, sacrifice four, separate on the right?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: fredda, tho I dont see a better alternative for w than p5
urtok [8k\]: mateusz tutaj zrobi oczy ??
Fredda [-\]: hmm
urtok [8k\]: chyba bedzie próbował otoczyć J9
Fredda [-\]: yeah just n10 wouldnt make sense
gisel [3d\]: słodkie oczka do antiego zeby go nie ubijał
Fredda [-\]: then he could have sacrificed them differently
SimbaRules [1d\]: N10 looks sensible to me, but who knows :) .
SimbaRules [1d\]: Not been watching lol, just looking at this position.
Ootakamoku [2d\]: and if w wants to cintuinue to fight other ways, then p8 is bad as it leaves b o10 sente, but p9 is so ugly it cant be soncisdered
KiraLNear [3d\]: can't play N10, impossible
Ootakamoku [2d\]: hence, p5 only choice
kmr [1d\]: Mateusz albo zabije N5, albo ucieknie, bo jesli nie to koniec
urtok [8k\]: chyba, że rozwijając się od E9 i od okolic M9 i próbując otoczyć J9 bedzie coś innego kombinował
Zairex [1k\]: o10
urtok [8k\]: może połączyć się z F15
Ootakamoku [2d\]: hmm, o10 is super ugly too, but actually somewhat works >.<
Naab [3k\]: what for black after n10?
SimbaRules [1d\]: What is wrong with N10?
Naab [3k\]: yes, can't see it either
urtok [8k\]: no tak, N5 to też jest opcja
Ootakamoku [2d\]: n10 o8 naab
SimbaRules [1d\]: Yeah, indeed, B can't cut at O8, right?
kmr [1d\]: szanse na polaczenie sie z f15 sa zerowe
Naab [3k\]: o8?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: naab, just read it out :)
Naab [3k\]: I thought o8 didn't work, but I propably have to read
]
;W[mj]
;B[nl]
;W[ol]C[samowar [1d\]: whoa
SimbaRules [1d\]: ^^
]
;B[nm]
;W[ok]C[Kraken [-\]: :)
SimbaRules [1d\]: I agree with him :) .
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w building more moyo
lamalama: now what
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b o6 to minimize aji
KiraLNear [3d\]: now white sente
Poziom [1d\]: o6
urtok [8k\]: :)
SimbaRules [1d\]: Black RHS hurt if black really wants those 4 stones :) .
apina [1d\]: g14 looks big
Ootakamoku [2d\]: o6 r15 I think
urtok [8k\]: no to wybrał N5 :) uff :)
SimbaRules [1d\]: R15? Wow.
urtok [8k\]: p7
Fredda [-\]: white has around 50+center
Ootakamoku [2d\]: simba, q9 is slightly weaker, which makes topright interesting
urtok [8k\]: q12
Fredda [-\]: seems white is doing well
tsedi [1k\]: "tsedi [1k\]: could w sacrifice these 3 stones and invade right side territory?" <- this is rougly what i was reading
SimbaRules [1d\]: Yes, but R15 attachment? I dunno :) quirky move.
urtok [8k\]: n16
SimbaRules [1d\]: N16 then white just plays P6, Urtok :) .
tsedi [1k\]: b looks ahead to me
urtok [8k\]: black p7
]
;B[nn]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: urtok, p7 bad, its greedy for few more points, but leaves alot of aji, just give up a few points to remove aji
urtok [8k\]: but white Q7 now
Naab [3k\]: too slow
Fredda [-\]: then b q12
Ootakamoku [2d\]: urtok, w could play q7 anyways, even if you play p7 as black
fuzhou [5d\]: b14 ?
urtok [8k\]: yes, Q7 slow
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I think r15 first, then g14
kmr [1d\]: q7 is small now - not sente
maciek [2d\]: whouldnt white focus on l10 cut?
urtok [8k\]: white r13 or m17
tsedi [1k\]: could it be time for b13 already?
urtok [8k\]: or white f13
kmr [1d\]: white moyo looks very open
maciek [2d\]: black has a lot of cash
]
;W[qe]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: \\o/
KiraLNear [3d\]: so white still has to win the game
Poziom [1d\]: nie powiedział bym a lot
Poziom [1d\]: białemu tez nie brakuje
Naab [3k\]: quite a long road from c5 to o6 :D
Kraken [-\]: the bottom half is about equal territory-wise
maciek [2d\]: yes Kraken
maciek [2d\]: its upper black corners vs centre
Ootakamoku [2d\]: naa, w points are super solid everything, but b s7 still suffers from q reductions
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w reductions*
maciek [2d\]: i counted reduction
SimbaRules [1d\]: Is R15 like a common shape or something? :S
SimbaRules [1d\]: You seemed to be quite convinced, or was it just luck? :)
SimbaRules [1d\]: I don't know this shape with O16/R15.
Kraken [-\]: it exists
SimbaRules [1d\]: T19 also exists, but it doesn't mean you'd play it. :)
tsedi [1k\]: what is the purpose of r15? yes it is forcing but i dont see what w aims at...
Kraken [-\]: in the books, i mean
maciek [2d\]: r15 is common standart move yes
SimbaRules [1d\]: Aha.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Wow, I see.
SimbaRules [1d\]: In which books? Sabaki books?
maciek [2d\]: invading a corenr books
SimbaRules [1d\]: Haha :) okay.
Kraken [-\]: go in 21st century?
]
;B[pm]C[tsedi [1k\]: :O
tsedi [1k\]: wasnt this super small or what am i missing?
maciek [2d\]: ok now black bottom half is bigger a bit
kmr [1d\]: q7 cant believe........
dxxd [1d\]: q7 geez
Ootakamoku [2d\]: and now we can contemplate how massive reductions there were available in r7 area, considering b ignored r15 to play q7
KiraLNear [3d\]: b hoping white will screw up R15
SimbaRules [1d\]: Yeah, indeed, white R7 is painful.
maciek [2d\]: q7 is not ignoring white r15 but answering it
Ootakamoku [2d\]: and yes, now I agree bottom half is now slightly more points for b than w
]
;W[rd]C[SimbaRules [1d\]: r7 q7 q8 r8 q6 p7 o5 shortage of libs
SimbaRules [1d\]: So it's very big.
tsedi [1k\]: oh yes r10 s10 exchange makes the reduction work
]
;B[qc]C[tsedi [1k\]: but s10 would be maybe bad response
]
;W[rc]C[kmr [1d\]: Simba - if black would play just q12 he can ignore R7 to play again on top
]
;B[rb]C[SimbaRules [1d\]: Yeah indeed, Q7/Q12ish miai.
]
;W[pf]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: q14 fancy shape?
Poziom [1d\]: obawiam się
Ootakamoku [2d\]: instead of q14 could play r18 q18 r19 p16? hmm maybe not, then p16 group left looking ugly after b also gets n16
Ootakamoku [2d\]: meant r18 q18 r19 q19 p16 
maciek [2d\]: i think white want to be super solid because he is focusing on centre
maciek [2d\]: cant leave aji
radzik23 [-\]: r12 
]
;B[kj]C[maciek [2d\]: cut yeah!
Ootakamoku [2d\]: l10.. cmon.. thats not a move!
SimbaRules [1d\]: L10 feels like the moves all the 5ks use to beat me :( .
Naab [3k\]: seems dangerous for both :o
Nyrckes [2k\]: k10?
SimbaRules [1d\]: Nah, surely gotta cut.
]
;W[kk]
;B[ki]C[SimbaRules [1d\]: Black can't K10.
Ootakamoku [2d\]: k10 would be very submissive
Ootakamoku [2d\]: have to cut
Trumelunki [3d\]: so, black really feels he needs to fight or does he just like it ?
lamalama: black helping white?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I think b overplaying his ... off again
Naab [3k\]: now what?
maciek [2d\]: destroy the halucinating centre and win now
SimbaRules [1d\]: W H13, kill the whole bloody lot :P .
kmr [1d\]: black  said "me gusta" ^^
lamalama: not possible, wake up
Ootakamoku [2d\]: trumelunki, both I think
maciek [2d\]: lamalama:)
apina [1d\]: that L10 looks one of the biggest overplays i've seen a while
maciek [2d\]: black loves fighting
]
;W[ih]
;B[mi]C[lamalama: even Shikshin would die in there :D
KiraLNear [3d\]: now it's risky business for white too
Ootakamoku [2d\]: n13 
SimbaRules [1d\]: N13 nice shape.
Kraken [-\]: if it lives, black wins, if it dies, white wins
maciek [2d\]: last battle yes
]
;W[li]C[dxxd [1d\]: hikaru battle
KiraLNear [3d\]: the 20kyu strategy
lamalama: mitani epic fail :D
floating [2k\]: url to proper hikaru tune
maciek [2d\]: 20kyu or 7d
SimbaRules [1d\]: ... *Lower lip quivers, puts his hand on his bowl, hand trembling...* A...arimasen...
maciek [2d\]: all playres beetween are just a poor meet
KiraLNear [3d\]: crouching 20 kyu hidden 7d
]
;B[lh]
;W[nj]C[KiraLNear [3d\]: white tactics really brutal
KiraLNear [3d\]: now b has so many more options
maciek [2d\]: white is not Takemiya, he will lost
chibiVP [5d?\]: blanc trés brutal
SimbaRules [1d\]: Well B is trying to live in white's bowl. :)
tsedi [1k\]: L13 maybe?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: troughout the game it feels to me like w is trashing b with better direction of play, and b keeps fighting to stay in the game.
kmr [1d\]: this is really inconsitent with Q7
lamalama: @Simba ROFLMAO
maciek [2d\]: l13 looks enuf if it works
SimbaRules [1d\]: Maybe M14 for black.
urtok [8k\]: mateusz próbuje chyba otoczyć J9 albo P10
lucibel [2d\]: m14 now
maciek [2d\]: tak urtok
maciek [2d\]: Mauesz wykorzysta tuatj wszystkie aji
lamalama: @urtok: doesn't that mean he has bad position thinking? :D
kmr [1d\]: m14 seems good
Ootakamoku [2d\]: m14 bumps into severe problems at the top
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b center might live but w gets huge cash on top instead
maciek [2d\]: huge = 10 points?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: probably more, considering corner is weak
maciek [2d\]: q12 now maybe?
maciek [2d\]: or p12
Poziom [1d\]: a ja myśle ze l13
]
;B[ii]C[Mukti [4d\]: Wow.
maciek [2d\]: j9 troubles now?
]
;W[kh]C[maciek [2d\]: g10?:P
]
;B[gi]C[lamalama: is it black's lifestyle to put himself in the middle of a mess and fight his way out? I can't explain his direction any other way...
tsedi [1k\]: seems to be working fine for him :P
Ootakamoku [2d\]: h11 h10 k11 h12 k10 horrible compromise for w?
akairyuu [2d?\]: well, surma is a finnish word meaning death, so I gues so
duckduck: not precisely death, rather the act of killing someone
lamalama: @akairyuu nice to know, I had no idea, thanks
urtok [8k\]: white f10 or k11
maciek [2d\]: u play like your opponent lets you :)
lamalama: sounds like your government is the one you deserve
lucibel [2d\]: yeah. "surma" is not really a word in itself but "surmata" is "to kill"
]
;W[fj]C[Naab [3k\]: surma is a word
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ya
urtok [8k\]: :)
lucibel [2d\]: or well, it's a word but very seldom used
duckduck: you could say that a surma has happened if you find a body :)
kmr [1d\]: Surma is kind of intrument
kmr [1d\]: i mean "surma"
Lesmian [2d\]: surma is a cavalry trumpet giving sign to charge
tsedi [1k\]: surma = a kill
chibiVP [5d?\]: and surmavaras is a ks'er
floating [2k\]: is antti touya akira
kugpiug: what language is it?
Suvi [-\]: http://www.sanakirja.org/search.php?q=surma&l=17&l2=3
Suvi [-\]: finnish -> english
maciek [2d\]: n12?:
kugpiug: ty
maciek [2d\]: how to spell surma in finnish?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: surma
]
;B[hh]C[lamalama: ROFL
Zaagmans [3d\]: 'b wins
]
;W[jh]
;B[eh]C[floating [2k\]: surmaako surma ?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: e12 suproosingtly calm
kmr [1d\]: e12 not blacks style
urtok [8k\]: e10 white !
]
;W[fi]C[urtok [8k\]: ooooooooo
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w just wants sente
kugpiug: e12 = declaration of victory
urtok [8k\]: f12 black
Bjondro [8k\]: in finnish Surma means Killer
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b wants to play d12 instead of f12
Naab [3k\]: no it doesn't
duckduck: that would be surmaaja
Suvi [-\]: doesn't, actually
Suvi [-\]: bjondro, http://www.sanakirja.org/search.php?q=surma&l=17&l2=3
kugpiug: wait, you're all finnish?
Bjondro [8k\]: finnish player told me
Bolko [1d\]: bigdoug seems to be sleeping
]
;B[gg]C[Suvi [-\]: kug, Antti is playing, so... :)
floating [2k\]: surmuri
Naab [3k\]: yes, my exact thought bolko
kugpiug: yeah, just noticed ^^
furr [?\]: no comments on the game, just all this gibebrish of finnish language
maciek [2d\]: where is W centre?!
floating [2k\]: who is leading ?
apina [1d\]: after n16 around o13
Bolko [1d\]: what I counted some time ago w only needs good endgame
Zaagmans [3d\]: b
]
;W[fh]
;B[fg]C[maciek [2d\]: o13 will be maximum 10 points
Naab [3k\]: uhh... <.<?
gisel [3d\]: black, as it's been foretold
duckduck: w can give b two points bigger territory at top side of the board and win by half a point :)
Ootakamoku [2d\]: for once I agree with maciek, o13 area is small
floating [2k\]: what are the odds w can catch up
Ootakamoku [2d\]: hence, m17 instead of protect center
fru123sb [6k\]: It seems v common in Antti's games that he builds a big centre moyo then never defends it while making bigger points elsewhere.
kugpiug: o13 is the kind of move why people lose in yose
apina [1d\]: but there is the center
Ootakamoku [2d\]: could ask t18 first, and then go violent with m18
apina [1d\]: i didn't say it's big
]
;W[eg]C[maciek [2d\]: hmm
]
;B[dg]C[Bolko [1d\]: huh :D
]
;W[dh]C[maciek [2d\]: black cant d13?
floating [2k\]: does b have many points on top right corner if w gets to reduce first
Bolko [1d\]: some weird sente tesuji
kugpiug: it seems to be bad though
lucibel [2d\]: b tenuki
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b cant reasonably tenuki
lucibel [2d\]: sure he can :)
maciek [2d\]: and q12?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: hmm
maciek [2d\]: l18?
maciek [2d\]: f18?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: q12 is rather meh anyways, top is more interesting
kugpiug: b13 
maciek [2d\]: but q12 is attacking move
Ootakamoku [2d\]: but regardless, I still feel something like b15 will work if b tenuki now
lucibel [2d\]: M14 now
maciek [2d\]: i like n12 too
maciek [2d\]: create more ajis
maciek [2d\]: k15 cut is Surma style:D
]
;B[nf]C[kugpiug: k15 would be bad
maciek [2d\]: oh here cool too
maciek [2d\]: white centre is co crying shapes everywhere now
maciek [2d\]: looks black ahead now for me
Ootakamoku [2d\]: looks even now to me
floating [2k\]: w kills this stone and wins
]
;W[pd]
;B[pc]C[maciek [2d\]: because f these 2 points after a kill
maciek [2d\]: ?:P
floating [2k\]: ez !
Ootakamoku [2d\]: just go all out with w p16 now
apina [1d\]: maciek, it has looked black ahead to you even before game :)
kugpiug: B ~58  -  W ~50,5
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I would want to play n17 as w here
gfdhff [2k\]: for some of us Surma is just the best player no matter what
Naab [3k\]: is n17 too much?
maciek [2d\]: Anti Tournament style looks funny and cool when fuseki and centre looks soooo big but its crying time in yose
Ootakamoku [2d\]: naab, it throws away the center but asks for k18 area in return
kugpiug: from what I've understood, Antti is strong in yose
maciek [2d\]: :)
Naab [3k\]: i was just wondering on q12 area
maciek [2d\]: he surely is strong because he has amzingly hard yose here
Naab [3k\]: if q14 is weaker than has to be
maciek [2d\]: b13 wil be monster move very soon
kolorek [4k?\]: GO MATEUSZ! :D
maciek [2d\]: black is ahead now
gfdhff [2k\]: GO KOLOREK !
Ootakamoku [2d\]: so many cool variations in topleft for w.. because of the e14 aj
Songe [1d?\]: I dont read better than W B14 atm, any hidden tesuji i would have missed ?
Naab [3k\]: oh, I just realized, n15 is every kyu players dream
maciek [2d\]: so many = e14?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: e14 e15 c17 d17 c15 starts some madness
Songe [1d?\]: indeed, same here :)  thx
maciek [2d\]: i agree Oo, madness is a good word for these kind of desperate tries:D
]
;W[mg]C[barrskog [1d\]: solid :)
maciek [2d\]: but i know why u are looking for this kind of invasions, white is losing :)
Suvi [-\]: nah, he'll win
maciek [2d\]: possible
maciek [2d\]: q12?
maciek [2d\]: p13?
lamalama: t17 for black
maciek [2d\]: p13 dont let him make 4 in a row!
Ootakamoku [2d\]: both I think are bad, as they will just provoke w t18
]
;B[mf]C[maciek [2d\]: good point
]
;W[lg]C[Kraken [-\]: this center failed miserably
Zaagmans [3d\]: b13 big!
maciek [2d\]: its my feeling too
maciek [2d\]: would love somebody stronger than me make a counting and estimate a score now
maciek [2d\]: Oo, can u count it, i know u love counting to choose a next move
Mukti [4d\]: I put b about 5 ahead.
]
;B[kc]C[tuquedenne [4d\]: b is 5-10 ahead
maciek [2d\]: my counting is sick
tuquedenne [4d\]: to me
maciek [2d\]: mhm
floating [2k\]: those who like to count points at these stages must like math
maciek [2d\]: because my counting is like B+14,5, sounds too much
duckduck: if Antti is zen, you must be SE :)
]
;W[ef]C[gisel [3d\]: b+3.5 i think
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I have w 65, b 70, assuming nothing in topleft
]
;B[ee]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: assuming no fancy sequence for w in topleft that is
]
;W[jc]C[floating [2k\]: calculus
Mukti [4d\]: W has 45 on the L+B, plus about 6 in the C plus komi + thickness = so a thick 57,5 
Kraken [-\]: g5 might be necessary now
Mukti [4d\]: B has 42 at the bottom+12 in TL+10 in TR=62
]
;B[bg]C[Mukti [4d\]: And w gets whatever points he makes around K17, so it feels quite close.
]
;W[bh]C[kolorek [4k?\]: hmmm
moro123 [1k\]: b has more
Lesmian [2d\]: as black i would not have nerves to keep g5 unplayed. It`s sente, what`s wrong with that
Cloud7 [2k?\]: t18
Cloud7 [2k?\]: is quite huge for w
Ootakamoku [2d\]: instead of e14 how about c17 d17 e14 e15 b14 b15 c15 to get sente endgame?
floating [2k\]: how did that w's fuseki work out, looking back to it
Maek [3d\]: a12?
]
;B[iq]
;W[ir]
;B[mr]C[hitaus [3d?\]: B is already wrapping up?
SimbaRules [1d\]: N2 gote, hmm.
samowar [1d\]: i'd play sth like t14 
SimbaRules [1d\]: Nah, T14 in trouble after white S10.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Shortage of libs on O6 stones.
samowar [1d\]: oh, thanks
SimbaRules [1d\]: Plus no points there anyway :) .
Ootakamoku [2d\]: n2 is worth.. 13 points?
]
;W[om]C[Poziom [1d\]: q6
kolorek [4k?\]: anyone keeps track of the scor~?
kolorek [4k?\]: score*
SimbaRules [1d\]: It's very close, Kolo.
Mukti [4d\]: It's close kolorek
barrskog [1d\]: w+15
SimbaRules [1d\]: Lol w+15.
barrskog [1d\]: :)
akairyuu [2d?\]: W+18.5 to be exact!
hitaus [3d?\]: barrskog, it's great you made it into dan without skills in counting : \]
Mukti [4d\]: Yeah, SE in top shape, as usual.
gfdhff [2k\]: b + 40
barrskog [1d\]: yepp i belong to the best move not need to count school
SimbaRules [1d\]: Fwiw I agree with Barr :) go should be based on points.
SimbaRules [1d\]: But meh, the world works in silly ways sometimes.
copyright [2d\]: q6 
]
;B[on]C[SimbaRules [1d\]: Yeah, not sure why you guys wouldn't play here as B.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Q8 doesn't work, right?
]
;W[pl]
;B[ql]C[SimbaRules [1d\]: Well, we might be about to see. :)
]
;W[qm]
;B[rf]C[tsedi [1k\]: :o
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ignore
floating [2k\]: tenuki
SimbaRules [1d\]: Lol, dat instatenuki.
SimbaRules [1d\]: S7!
SimbaRules [1d\]: Surely S7 lol.
kolorek [4k?\]: can b do sth around p12?
Goleath [2k\]: w can s10?
SimbaRules [1d\]: S14 is sorta weird aji-keshi unless black figured white would get T18 before black could get T17.
tsedi [1k\]: w gets a chance to make comeback
EGC2013b [?\]: time left W - 0:27 B - 0:54
floating [2k\]: winning move ?
apina [1d\]: comeback might be strong word if game was close
maciek [2d\]: l10 cut was winning for me
]
;W[re]
;B[qg]C[dxxd [1d\]: nice stuff, I think
moro123 [1k\]: w needs to figure out something
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ok, now have to ignore
apina [1d\]: how can ignore now?
SimbaRules [1d\]: If he ignored, top right white dead :S .
maciek [2d\]: ignore = die
Ootakamoku [2d\]: you sure topright dies?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I cant read the death
maciek [2d\]: ignore =Surma i mean
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I cant read life either
SimbaRules [1d\]: Well, I mean, white can play R10 then S7.
lamalama: isn't it decided? b+res it seems
maciek [2d\]: i dint read, its clear no eyes after black q13
Zairex [1k\]: r10 s9
SimbaRules [1d\]: Yeah, indeed.
maciek [2d\]: officail result?
SimbaRules [1d\]: White R10/S7 combo might work thoguh with the S12 clamp.
]
;W[pg]C[SimbaRules [1d\]: :( Oh no.
moro123 [1k\]: this is painful
Lesmian [2d\]: q6 to keep smile on the face
]
;B[ph]C[Turnipsi [1d\]: sry which one is törmänen?
maciek [2d\]: black so fast
SimbaRules [1d\]: White.
Turnipsi [1d\]: thx
SimbaRules [1d\]: Still like R10 + S7...
sandbag [3d\]: hard to read out the capturing race
maciek [2d\]: how hard?
maciek [2d\]: u dont need even to start reading
barrskog [1d\]: oh my, blacks dead now :)
SimbaRules [1d\]: Hopw so... :)
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I wonder if antti was happy about his own positio, was aiming for a solid 5 point win as usual, but missed b s14 resistance to w r7
pancake [-\]: R10 will be ignored now 
SimbaRules [1d\]: Really? Can B ignore that and kill? Hmm.
maciek [2d\]: he wasnt in solid 5 point ahead situation Oo
Lesmian [2d\]: maybe it was just solid 1.5
maciek [2d\]: myeah, maybe, maybe u know what maybe
pet [1k\]: p12?
SimbaRules [1d\]: Too slow, black would have gained too much.
maciek [2d\]: what too slow?
SimbaRules [1d\]: P12.
maciek [2d\]: the only one possible it looks
apina [1d\]: what happens after R12
SimbaRules [1d\]: W has to try something otherwise not got enough.
SimbaRules [1d\]: B plays R11, apina.
maciek [2d\]: if p12 no chances resign
maciek [2d\]: W is strong 6d he is not trying, when he play he know what he is doing
apina [1d\]: and after that Q6 is not big enough?
apina [1d\]: oh sorry, missed something again
]
;W[oh]C[maciek [2d\]: q6 is a problem now u right alpina
maciek [2d\]: the problem was W must p12 first
SimbaRules [1d\]: Mmm, black Q6 now...?
samowar [1d\]: q6 now
maciek [2d\]: probably...
SimbaRules [1d\]: :( .
apina [1d\]: i just thought he could do it after R12
apina [1d\]: but i can't read
maciek [2d\]: r12 o13 q6 now
maciek [2d\]: and W has a sente and he need to play best yose in his life to win
pet [1k\]: ;-)
moro123 [1k\]: antti has strong yose
SimbaRules [1d\]: Needs Fan Hui to kibitz :) .
goantti [?\]: except that no need for o13?
Thumb [3d\]: R11 rather than R12? But Q6 if B's ahead enough
maciek [2d\]: if no need o13
maciek [2d\]: then black plays q6 right now
SimbaRules [1d\]: yup
maciek [2d\]: but i bet r12 o13 q6 
SimbaRules [1d\]: R12 is probably gote, if B cuts then atari up then play N15?
SimbaRules [1d\]: I think W okay after that, can capture or force up through the top.
SimbaRules [1d\]: And B will die first.
goantti [?\]: and then there is the squeeze option
SimbaRules [1d\]: Yup.
maciek [2d\]: and then u woke up :O i am not dreaming!
Thumb [3d\]: I didn't count yet. SE says B+0.5 and counting a host of false W points
]
;B[rh]C[maciek [2d\]: ah s12 a shape
SimbaRules [1d\]: Tenuki it! :)
Thumb [3d\]: ^^ better yose
maciek [2d\]: Tenuki = Surma
maciek [2d\]: death i mean
Ootakamoku [2d\]: p6
Krokadel [1d\]: what hapend fan hui - dusan mitic
maciek [2d\]: p6 not legal
kmr [1d\]: Fan won
Ootakamoku [2d\]: err.. q6
SimbaRules [1d\]: Congratz on 2d, you can kill opponents' stones now by playing on top of that, Oo :P .
maciek [2d\]: q6 p13 
Krokadel [1d\]: tx
SimbaRules [1d\]: on top of them*
SimbaRules [1d\]: q6 p13 o13 n15
SimbaRules [1d\]: and w looks fine
]
;W[md]C[henryy07 [2k\]: this sequence doesnt make sense?
]
;B[od]C[goantti [?\]: there is the atari O12 so needs this one too
samowar [1d\]: hoho
maciek [2d\]: Mateusz answering soooo fast
kolorek [4k?\]: it goes as he planned ;)
maciek [2d\]: its because he read it all out
kolorek [4k?\]: so he doesnt have to hink too much :D
maciek [2d\]: yeah
lamalama: can anyone see a chance for w?
maciek [2d\]: white moyo dreams time to say bye bye :-)
maciek [2d\]: yes
maciek [2d\]: a blind man can
barrskog [1d\]: lol @maciek
kolorek [4k?\]: dont be too cocky or you will burn :>
barrskog [1d\]: maciek is a gohuligan
henryy07 [2k\]: maciek = phi?:P
Naab [3k\]: just annoying provocator
chibiVP [5d?\]: cette joue est trop complexe
]
;W[pi]
;B[pn]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: n17 
maciek [2d\]: cmon..i sit here 3 hours and read all sequences move by move and u say provocator? who is a provocator?
]
;W[mc]
;B[mb]C[Naab [3k\]: you have to be kidding me?
Thumb [3d\]: W is cheeky indeed
henryy07 [2k\]: is m18 possible for w?
maciek [2d\]: f something only m18 but didnt see it
]
;W[lc]C[henryy07 [2k\]: guess not if he didnt play this;\]
]
;B[lb]C[Thumb [3d\]: M18 seemed to go pagoda shape
]
;W[kb]
;B[pe]C[Mukti [4d\]: M18 would fail,b would cut at M17
]
;W[qf]C[maciek [2d\]: yeah
henryy07 [2k\]: thats why i asked:)
]
;B[lr]C[barrskog [1d\]: black confident now
maciek [2d\]: W gained here a bit maybe
maciek [2d\]: but black has a sente
myrtle [4d\]: lower right is really huge
myrtle [4d\]: hard to overcome
]
;W[ks]
;B[kr]C[myrtle [4d\]: need some magic around b15 or so
maciek [2d\]: yeah its about55 points
]
;W[jr]C[maciek [2d\]: amazing "corner"
Thumb [3d\]: B's had Q6+S12+sente, it's a lot
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b plays in optleft now
kolorek [4k?\]: senteee
maciek [2d\]: f18 u mean/
]
;B[fb]C[Thumb [3d\]: and saved O14 too
maciek [2d\]: o14 is safe
maciek [2d\]: is it possible to see pairing tree somewhere?
maciek [2d\]: what are the next pairs?
Thumb [3d\]: I have a pear tree
moro123 [1k\]: b+ 10
akairyuu [2d?\]: there isn't any pairing trees
akairyuu [2d?\]: albeit being a cup
maciek [2d\]: ok, who counted it?
]
;W[df]C[maciek [2d\]: what?!
floating [2k\]: magiccccc
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w just going for outragous yose overplay, might aswell since lose otherwise
daveminion [1d\]: he think hes enough?!
Songe [1d?\]: W -5.5, more like desperate
Thumb [3d\]: Tuquedenne would know about the pairings I bet. B +7 or something
maciek [2d\]: hmm looks close to me
tuquedenne [4d\]: I think there's not a real tree
akairyuu [2d?\]: the pairings for semifinals will follow the same principle, than quarterfinals
tuquedenne [4d\]: that's it
akairyuu [2d?\]: 1) avoid pairs that have already played 2) do a fold pairing
tuquedenne [4d\]: they try to fold pair but do it wrong :)
Songe [1d?\]: G5, T18, and now F18 unanswered, Black is leading to me, but still complicated
maciek [2d\]: so Mateusz won play Fan Hui is very likely?
Thumb [3d\]: Ah, the usual then
maciek [2d\]: wont
Hiridur [2d?\]: what would they do right...
copyright [2d\]: d15 
akairyuu [2d?\]: my guess is artem, if he wins
Thumb [3d\]: D15 C13 B14 simply?
floating [2k\]: this if w loses http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li6Xkva__RU
Ootakamoku [2d\]: d15 c13 b14 t18 r18 g18 >.<
]
;B[de]
;W[cg]
;B[bf]C[Thumb [3d\]: T18 S19, Oo? 
tuquedenne [4d\]: if Artem, Mateusz and Pavol win, the right pairing is Fan-Artem and Pavol-Mateusz
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ya, true, my bad
]
;W[ec]
;B[eb]
;W[gb]
;B[ah]C[copyright [2d\]: a12 black now is big
maciek [2d\]: r12 is double sente?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w d17 
lamalama: cannot ignore a12
daveminion [1d\]: can
tuquedenne [4d\]: if Thomas win instead of Artem it will be hard to tell because the three other players already played against Fan...
SimbaRules [1d\]: Yup @ Floating :( .
maciek [2d\]: d17 leaves white with aji because of 3 libs no?
maciek [2d\]: thx tuquedenne
]
;W[ai]C[copyright [2d\]: c17 w is wrong
]
;B[ag]
;W[bi]C[maciek [2d\]: B+around 10?
maciek [2d\]: r12?
copyright [2d\]: d17 
guapo [2k\]: l19
]
;B[hb]
;W[gc]
;B[ga]C[moro123 [1k\]: ouch
maciek [2d\]: nthing here
]
;W[qh]
;B[rg]
;W[sb]C[maciek [2d\]: crazy mode by Zen now, sorry by Antti
]
;B[ra]C[samba33: looks even
SimbaRules [1d\]: G5?
maciek [2d\]: i counted b+10,5 or so
apina [1d\]: h14 looks big
apina [1d\]: gote tho
moro123 [1k\]: g5
daveminion [1d\]: g5 than j14
SimbaRules [1d\]: Yeah Dave.
]
;W[la]C[MacGyver [?\]: g5 small
SimbaRules [1d\]: M19 also very large.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Oh, there we go lol.
Cloud7 [2k?\]: poor anti
]
;B[nb]C[moro123 [1k\]: r7 was the losing move?
daveminion [1d\]: d17
SimbaRules [1d\]: Lol I wish SE was right...
SimbaRules [1d\]: W+84.5...
TajnySad [-\]: kliknijcie mi SE bo przez przegladarkę wchodzę
jakotaki [1d\]: w+84
maciek [2d\]: Se nie liczy tak dobrze, jest bezpieczne 10 przewagi dla cz
gfdhff [2k\]: nie mam se na telefonie
TajnySad [-\]: :(
maciek [2d\]: SE W+84
maciek [2d\]: and SE b+5 po malych korektach
Thumb [3d\]: F19 at some point
maciek [2d\]: f19 hmm
kugpiug: B 66 W 62,5
]
;W[kl]
;B[km]
;W[go]C[Songe [1d?\]: at last :p
lamalama: ko :D
]
;B[ho]C[maciek [2d\]: sick ko
]
;W[hp]C[kolorek [4k?\]: lamalama - deejay? 
lamalama: black won't play it
Turnipsi [1d\]: w gets e9, maybe small though
lamalama: what's with this deejay?
Turnipsi [1d\]: oh in sente?
Poziom [1d\]: ja bym 5j zagrał i już; \]
apina [1d\]: w gets some nice sente points
maciek [2d\]: yes
floating [2k\]: but w want K6 so b need to capture N6 later ?
]
;B[io]C[Thumb [3d\]: lamalama-dingdong
]
;W[jn]
;B[el]C[Thumb [3d\]: ouch
KiraLNear [3d\]: E8 nice
Turnipsi [1d\]: I dont believe in k6
tsedi [1k\]: H14?
SimbaRules [1d\]: Yeah H14 big.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Gote though.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Maybe F19 now.
myrtle [4d\]: w+76
Thumb [3d\]: yay
]
;W[qi]
;B[rj]C[Naab [3k\]: I missed the point of k6
Mukti [4d\]: I get max 66 for white, Myrtle...
zife [4d?\]: komi 10, duh
floating [2k\]: without ko if he played k5 in sente and then take E8 himself better ?
]
;W[hf]
;B[hg]C[Mukti [4d\]: That is incusing komi of course, Zfe.
]
;W[cc]C[KiraLNear [3d\]: ?
tsedi [1k\]: :o
]
;B[dc]C[Mukti [4d\]: What?
]
;W[bd]C[Mukti [4d\]: W preparing resignation?
barrskog [1d\]: seki
KiraLNear [3d\]: sure
Thumb [3d\]: W's counted
Suvi [-\]: hee
maciek [2d\]: this kind of tries are really botish
Songe [1d?\]: a seki here ? come on
kugpiug: How is that? He might be able to get 1 point in semedori
jakotaki [1d\]: haha
jakotaki [1d\]: what a pity
SimbaRules [1d\]: Lol, seki would be awesome.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Or at least semedori!
myrtle [4d\]: this already cost w a lot of points so semedori is not enough
maciek [2d\]: we dont play rouleete guys, no seki :-)
Mukti [4d\]: No chance of seki, and w lost 2-3 points to start with.
Thumb [3d\]: it's not that easy for me to read^^ you're strong guys
moro123 [1k\]: well what else
maciek [2d\]: sounds very wise Mukti
CageyS [2d?\]: partial semidori?
myrtle [4d\]: its a good resign sequence
Mukti [4d\]: B has tons of libs so a seki seems out of the question, and life is impossible. So max would be semedori.
]
;B[cd]C[moro123 [1k\]: better die trying than lose by a few points
chibiVP [5d?\]: all resign sequences are ruined when the opponent thinks on them
chibiVP [5d?\]: you just want to resign and he takes 10minutes to come up with an answer
moro123 [1k\]: f19
maciek [2d\]: controversial idea moro123
TajnySad [-\]: ALE POSPOLITE HAMECIARSTWO
CageyS [2d?\]: * I decline your resignation*?
moro123 [1k\]: well w knows he can't catch up
maciek [2d\]: dokladnie
SimbaRules [1d\]: C18
sandbag [3d\]: b15 first
]
;W[cb]C[maciek [2d\]: hamecenie bez honoru
Mukti [4d\]: Probably w will resign now.
KiraLNear [3d\]: too easy for black
Mukti [4d\]: Oh, he didn't...
andreiraz [3k\]: b18 ?
]
;B[bb]C[Mukti [4d\]: B18 and all over.
]
;W[bc]
;B[ca]C[maciek [2d\]: RESIGN
Mukti [4d\]: Oh, come on...
Songe [1d?\]: plus, resign sequences always seems rude to me... If you have to resign, just do it, dont pray for your opponent to make a mistake at that stage of the game. But i can admit fighting spirit too. So everyone does what he feels right :)
MacGyver [?\]: f19 
maciek [2d\]: yeah songe
SimbaRules [1d\]: Yup, F19.
eramies: just endgame
USSRMan [3d\]: it is rude when your opponent does it, it is fighting spirit when you do it
]
;W[ib]C[sandbag [3d\]: he got his semidori
guapo [2k\]: where can i see the tournament table?
]
;B[gp]C[Minininja [1d\]: yes so it is worth something
Minininja [1d\]: + some ko threats
Songe [1d?\]: ^^ and russian soul spoke, deep understanding of human nature  :p
tsedi [1k\]: at least w has threats now
kugpiug: Worth enough to cover the 3 points he lost?
slowy [2k\]: go antti
]
;W[fq]C[Thumb [3d\]: semidori is a pseudosqueeze
copyright [2d\]: j14 
maciek [2d\]: he got semedori but he scarifaced a stone + gave 1 point more...not sure just f19 wasnt better?
sandbag [3d\]: se funy
maciek [2d\]: e10 e11....
liquescens [1d\]: j14 
slowy [2k\]: someone counted?
maciek [2d\]: this kind of mistake would be really sad
Murugandi [-\]: SURMAAAAAAAAAA
Songe [1d?\]: F19 and the pushing in D17...
andreiraz [3k\]: p14 
maciek [2d\]: j13?
maciek [2d\]: j14 i mean
daveminion [1d\]: j14
Songe [1d?\]: E11 would be sente for white actually 
Songe [1d?\]: so G15 after this
Minininja [1d\]: m15 looks big
kolorek [4k?\]: .
maciek [2d\]: m15 yeah, ekstra
]
;B[ig]C[KiraLNear [3d\]: M15 is gote
daveminion [1d\]: b19
]
;W[hc]C[daveminion [1d\]: or h17
Minininja [1d\]: M15 reverse sente?
copyright [2d\]: o15 l16 m15 
sandbag [3d\]: no
]
;B[ff]
;W[ei]C[hobbit [5k\]: h19
copyright [2d\]: o15 
]
;B[ha]
;W[le]C[hobbit [5k\]: \\o/
]
;B[ie]C[derpity: so what's the score?
Maek [3d\]: b+
Poziom [1d\]: B+
lucibel [2d\]: b wins
derpity: :(
maciek [2d\]: Surma!!!
derpity: oh well, can't win them all
]
;W[if]
;B[he]
;W[je]
;B[ge]C[daveminion [1d\]: j19
SimbaRules [1d\]: It is still quite close... Maybe Antti can still win... Really hope so.
gisel [3d\]: b+2.5
daveminion [1d\]: yeah
]
;W[of]
;B[ne]C[SimbaRules [1d\]: Oh cool, that's quite clever.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Sente now.
]
;W[kd]
;B[oe]C[maciek [2d\]: wow Se is correct now
]
;W[jg]
;B[ng]
;W[nh]C[TajnySad [-\]: b15 
]
;B[ls]C[Alazir [3k\]: j16
maciek [2d\]: j16
]
;W[js]
;B[ma]C[floating [2k\]: except top left points
]
;W[ka]
;B[id]C[UnknownDan [2d\]: poor antti
]
;W[ic]
;B[se]
;W[ab]
;B[ba]C[maciek [2d\]: W played really cool and nice to watch in fuseki
]
;W[ae]C[SimbaRules [1d\]: Hahaha, gogogo antti magic in corner :) .
SimbaRules [1d\]: Seki! :)
SimbaRules [1d\]: One time, hahaha.
barrskog [1d\]: :)
gisel [3d\]: no way
UnknownDan [2d\]: not possible
Pl4typus [8k\]: oh my god
maciek [2d\]: no seki guys:)
SimbaRules [1d\]: We can hope... :)
maciek [2d\]: oh wait...
maciek [2d\]: SEKI!!!
Poziom [1d\]: simba is psyhofan
SimbaRules [1d\]: Haha!
maciek [2d\]: i didnt see it!
moro123 [1k\]: what is it seki?
maciek [2d\]: upoper left all black is gone!!!
SimbaRules [1d\]: It's probably seki or black has to give up two stones.
Ootakamoku [2d\]: semedori for a few points
maciek [2d\]: amzing come back by white!
SimbaRules [1d\]: Something like that.
slim76 [1d\]: no
apina [1d\]: too many outside liberties for black
]
;B[ia]C[Goleath [2k\]: still 5 liberties or so on the outside to cover, so just semidori 
maciek [2d\]: ah outside liberties matter?
SimbaRules [1d\]: B can't approach though.
daveminion [1d\]: antti loooooooool  :DDDD
tsedi [1k\]: is it gonna be a dead shape or what?
]
;W[ja]
;B[fa]
;W[da]
;B[ea]C[pancake [-\]: no, he just needs to take them
SimbaRules [1d\]: White throw in H11.
sandbag [3d\]: dead shape would be just awesome
viu30h [5k\]: yeah b got enough liberties i think
UnknownDan [2d\]: throw in costs a point u know?
]
;W[sf]C[Poziom [1d\]: h11= -1 pt for W
SimbaRules [1d\]: Really? Hmm.
maciek [2d\]: :)))
]
;B[sg]
;W[og]C[maciek [2d\]: we had Adam Malysz in skijumping, now Mateusz Surma is coming to you Finalnd world!!!!:D
SimbaRules [1d\]: Not even heard of black lol, is he new 6d?
egcreview: :)
kolorek [4k?\]: seki upper left?
maciek [2d\]: define new:)
egcreview: no
SimbaRules [1d\]: Newly promoted.
egcreview: w dead
Nilatarion [3d\]: he have 6d 1 year
myongstu [4d\]: he started playing two weeks ago
SimbaRules [1d\]: Ah, okay.
maciek [2d\]: haha
SimbaRules [1d\]: Lol, like Hikaru.
apina [1d\]: simba, I think Antti played against Surman in last EGC he played, too
floating [2k\]: how old is surma
maciek [2d\]: yes he started two weeks ago because he heard there is cool game congress in Poland
egcreview: 17
viu30h [5k\]: xD
kolorek [4k?\]: oh, no seki, liberties
]
;B[hp]C[jakotaki [1d\]: oh no, seki, liberties
floating [2k\]: what's the real age of surma ?
egcreview: 17
]
;W[gj]C[chibiVP [5d?\]: 7 weeks
]
;B[hi]C[apina [1d\]: is there 1 point in R10?
kolorek [4k?\]: not 18 this year?
viu30h [5k\]: that could be a movie "the real age of surma"
chibiVP [5d?\]: he heard there was this cool congress in poland so he decided to be birthed a bit sooner
egcreview: this year 18
maciek [2d\]: :)))
LTDP009 [2k?\]: is this aga rules?
]
;W[jj]
;B[ji]C[maciek [2d\]: chibiVP:D
]
;W[hj]C[viu30h [5k\]: aga rules in egf?
kmr [1d\]: sure AGA rules XD - nope japanese
Ootakamoku [2d\]: why didnt w do the throwin at h11, it looked like a 2 step ko in topleft if he does throwin
]
;B[qj]C[viu30h [5k\]: not japanese  its simplified ing rules no?
kmr [1d\]: no
sakugo [?\]: h11 loses a point
sandbag [3d\]: it is just japanese rules
jakotaki [1d\]: polish rules
]
;W[gh]C[egcreview: :)
LTDP009 [2k?\]: lol
viu30h [5k\]: its egc  why dont they play with simplified ing rules (the official rules) ??
]
;B[be]
;W[gd]C[chibiVP [5d?\]: polish rules, play go and dodge your opponents' bullets at the same time.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Oh god, not another Jasiek.
kmr [1d\]: ing rules are official european rules?i dont think so
]
;B[ac]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: sakugo, doesnt matter, 2 step ko for game ending is big enough
]
;W[ad]
;B[ce]C[LTDP009 [2k?\]: cool
]
;W[ej]C[sandbag [3d\]: no ko
viu30h [5k\]: not ing rules    simplified ing rules and ing rules are a difference
]
;B[hm]
;W[fm]
;B[ko]
;W[sc]
;B[qb]
;W[sd]
;B[sf]
;W[gm]C[Thumb [3d\]: wasn't 2 step ko Oo
]
;B[no]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: oh, right, no ko because b can do the throwin to decide which direction to approach
]
;W[fk]C[kmr [1d\]: Viu please read tournament rules 
]
;B[ln]C[maciek [2d\]: not rules in Poland, being serious is a joke here
]
;W[jf]
;B[af]
;W[gf]
;B[ac]
;W[lf]
;B[sa]C[Nyrckes [2k\]: b+2,5
]
;W[me]
;B[jl]
;W[jo]
;B[fd]
;W[ed]C[maciek [2d\]: hurra hurra
LTDP009 [2k?\]: who win
copyright [2d\]: brawo
AndEdhel [2d?\]: who are players please
gisel [3d\]: Surma
guapo [2k\]: black and white
maciek [2d\]: W: Finish Champion, B: European Champion 2013:P
LTDP009 [2k?\]: is this a fast game
Songe [1d?\]: read the rules
mi1 [1d\]: hui is european champion ;[
AndEdhel [2d?\]: androd
AndEdhel [2d?\]: android
Fannai [?\]: LTDP if you consider 5 hour fast :)
Fannai [?\]: Hours*
maciek [2d\]: oh yeah
guapo [2k\]: theya re counting
maciek [2d\]: 5 godzin ogladania gry:O
MacGyver [?\]: b won
viu30h [5k\]: lol you are right they arent playing egc with egf rules xD
maciek [2d\]: do roboty teraz:)
mdm [3k\]: Antti Tormanen vs Mateusz Surma
AndEdhel [2d?\]: is b fan hui?
AndEdhel [2d?\]: ah thx
Fannai [?\]: black is Mateusz Surma
goantti [?\]: white should have played the normal endgame + not missed J19 = maybe 3 points more 
AndEdhel [2d?\]: looking for fan game
EGC2013b [?\]: B + 8,5
Poziom [1d\]: :)
dxxd [1d\]: great game, Mateusz! congrats!
MacGyver [?\]: :(
Reym [-\]: thks egc!
egcreview: komi?
mdm [3k\]: fan game is over
AndEdhel [2d?\]: mdm: fan won?
mdm [3k\]: yes
AndEdhel [2d?\]: thx!
Lesmian [2d\]: dzięki za transmisję mr. b
egcreview: gg
globax [3d\]: thx egc
isumi43 [5k\]: Thx EGC
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