(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[9]KM[7.50]TM[1800]
GN[IA-Go Challenge]PW[Mogo]PB[Catalin Taranu]BR[5p]DT[2008-03-22]RO[2]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[IaGoChall [-\]: The second game will be relayed in a few minutes
zen [2k\]: how many games will they play?
IaGoChall [-\]: 3
sum [5d\]: Zure will relay a copy for strategy discussion.
IaGoChall [-\]: please join Zure's relay if you want to comment the game
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;B[gf]C[ikami [1k\]: van mogo play 19x19 ?
IaGoChall [-\]: yes, there will be a game tomorrow
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;W[de]
;B[dg]C[nieldaniel [9k\]: is there komi?
IaGoChall [-\]: 7,5 points
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;W[fe]
;B[ge]
;W[fd]
;B[gd]
;W[cf]
;B[db]
;W[fc]
;B[cd]
;W[eg]
;B[cg]
;W[be]
;B[bd]
;W[fg]C[IaGoChall [-\]: Catalin moves his head
IaGoChall [-\]: he looks embarassed
maproom [3k\]: time report, please?
IaGoChall [-\]: 22 minutes left for Catalin, 20 minutes for Mogo
IaGoChall [-\]: Catalin is tapping his head with his fan
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;B[bg]C[IaGoChall [-\]: He's smiling at shaking his heas
IaGoChall [-\]: head*
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;W[gc]C[pajaro [1d\]: is Catalin playin on a real goban? where is he?
IaGoChall [-\]: yes, there is a relay from the computer
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;B[hh]
;W[ce]
;B[dd]C[jjermann [2k\]: does mogo think he is winning?
IaGoChall [-\]: we don't know :)
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;W[ff]C[IaGoChall [-\]: 15 minutes left for Catalin, 18 minutes for Mogo
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;B[hc]C[tuabiht [5k\]: sorry to ask, but ... who won the first game ?
IaGoChall [-\]: Catalin
lakin [16k\]: Is this a live match or recording?
IaGoChall [-\]: it's live
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;W[ad]
;B[hb]
;W[bc]C[IaGoChall [-\]: 8:30 left for Catalin, 16:30 left for mogo
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;B[ea]
;W[dh]
;B[bb]
;W[ch]
;B[cc]
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;W[ae]
;B[gh]
;W[gg]
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;W[ei]C[Harmony [-\]: Is W trying to win by 0,5? (I've seen some MoGo based bots do that)
IaGoChall [-\]: when mogo wins, he almost always wins by 0,5 :)
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;B[gi]
;W[ed]C[IaGoChall [-\]: 12:30 left for mogo, 4:30 for Catalin
IaGoChall [-\]: Catalin resigned !
IaGoChall [-\]: Thank you for watching the game, next game in 40 minutes
lakin [16k\]: :)
Warfreak2 [3d\]: will the next game be nigiri, or colours reversed again?
Dima12333 [2k\]: :O
TotoroShan [2d\]: 7,5 komi is too big it seems
lakin [16k\]: why did he resign?
Warfreak2 [3d\]: no, totoro, 7.5 komi, in chinese rules, is appropriate for 9x9
TotoroShan [2d\]: he counted, and saw he was behind
lakin [16k\]: i ce
tmc [-\]: Both players could read to the end.
Snaga [1d?\]: who won first game
lakin [16k\]: :) tanks
NemoEimi [5k\]: jumping to conclusions about correct 9x9 komi after two games seems premature to me
TotoroShan [2d\]: well, maybe, but in my opinion, white is advantaged
batgirl [1d\]: yes
batgirl [1d\]: he will win
NemoEimi [5k\]: in the mogo scalability study, 7.5 komi seemed to work well up to even the highest levels tested
batgirl [1d\]: no - black has more
bobble [1k?\]: um... did a 5p just lose to a computer?... o.90
tmc [-\]: Yes
Snaga [1d?\]: who won first game?
NPcomplete [6k\]: the human
bobble [1k?\]: i.. don't understand..
quidquid [6k\]: catalin lost by 3-5 points now
quidquid [6k\]: and totally beat the program in the first game
quidquid [6k\]: dont worry ;)
Snaga [1d?\]: its 9x9 only
quidquid [6k\]: it was just a stupid mistake
Dima12333 [2k\]: "only"
GreenMunky [?\]: Although I remember the same being said about chess :(
NemoEimi [5k\]: he totally beat the program because when losing, this program does not care about the margin of loss
bobble [1k?\]: i am just so confused...
Dima12333 [2k\]: "just a stupid mistake"
a361lbs [1k\]: anyone know when game 3 is?
TotoroShan [2d\]: what was the stupid mistake quidquid ?
NemoEimi [5k\]: if I eliminated all "stupid mistakes" from my games, I would be a pro too ;)
NPcomplete [6k\]: no you would be a perfect player
Velnar [5k\]: b lost in the first game because of stupid mistakes too ^^
mmpl: if one studies the concept of bounded rationality things like "stupid mistakes" become empty labels
mandam [2k\]: a
bobble [1k?\]: is this  a new computer program?...
mmpl: it's relatively recent. But well known and by no means new
bobble [1k?\]: i'm just confused... like.. few days ago strongest program was like 2k... and now it beats 5p..
mmpl: on 9x9 they have been good for a while
mmpl: this one has been optimized for new hand larger hardware
NemoEimi [5k\]: on 19x19 they are still awfully weak, being stuck at the lowly level of second kyu ;)
iam2k [2k\]: plz...respect the 2k level
Velnar [5k\]: lol
mmpl: what would be the median strength of the go playing human population?
NPcomplete [6k\]: 6k?
bobble [1k?\]: 1k
iam2k [2k\]: yes in this server
iam2k [2k\]: 2k is average
bobble [1k?\]: there are more 2d-2k than any rank.
mmpl: so the bot isn't all that weak then
bobble [1k?\]: i need a drink. i'm just so confused... ?.>,<
iam2k [2k\]: 5p is not that weak
mmpl: seen people discussing that there is always the option of increasing board size to keep ahead.
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